The New Yorker: The Kitchen Sink Yet to Be Thrown (at Hillary Clinton)

[flpoljunkie]

The Kitchen Sink Yet To Be Thrown

26 Apr 2008 08:28 pm

Hendrik Hertzberg says it well:

Hillary Clinton has not, in fact, survived the worst that the Republican attack machine (and its pilotless drones online and on talk radio) can dish out. We will learn what the worst really means if she is nominated. The Commie law firm will be only the beginning. Many tempting targets—from Bill’s little-examined fund-raising and business activities during the past seven years to the prospect of his hanging around the White House in some as yet undefined role for another four or eight years to whatever leftovers from the Clinton “scandals” of the nineteen-nineties can be retrieved from the dumpster and reheated—remain to be machine-gunned. The whole Clinton marital soap opera, obviously off limits within the Democratic fold, will offer ample material for what Obama calls “distractions.” To take the most obvious example, the former President’s social life since leaving the White House will become, if not “fair game,” big game—and some of these right-wing dirtbags are already hiring bearers and trying on pith helmets for the safari. Is this a “there” where the Democratic Party really wants to go?

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/hendrikhertzberg/2008/04/after-pennsylva.html

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/04/the-kitchen-sin.html

[Coexist]

1. thank you.

[cali]

2. No shit. Hillbots insist that it's all old stuff- it's not

but the old stuff is potent as hell. Most Americans react like Pavlov's dog to this shit. Hertzberg is spot on as always.

k&r

[roguevalley]

34. I read back in the beginning when this started, before Hillary

annoyed me out of my skin, that the newspapers in new york are sitting on chick stories for the right moment. how awful that will be.

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Anyone who believes the Clintons are fully vetted and pre-cleaned is a fool.

There's a reason why the right wing is helping Clinton in the primaries and it ain't because republicans want to run a campaign against our best and strongest.

[goclark]

6. the Times is "sitting on a story"

regarding her main assistant Huma Abedin.

[C_U_L8R]

13. do tell :-)

[noel711]

31. Is that "Huma" story still out there?

I thought that blew by like dust in the wind...

Do you bleeve that tripe?

[ekwhite]

37. I googled her name - let's not go there

We do not need to drag up that kind of innuendo against a fellow Democrat.

[goclark]

50. We as Democrats won't go there on HC yet it's ok to got there

on his middle name that has been mentioned day after day after day.

The Globe rag has gone there front page this week but I'm sure no one will read it.
She is only the traveling chief of staff and is a Muslim.

Now do you really believe that if Obama's traveling chief of staff was a Muslim that the MSM "wouldn't go there?"

[HamdenRice]

77. Bingo -- the Lesbian Bomb -- an adulterous, lesbian relationship with a Muslim woman

First of all, I don't think that the rumor is true. I also don't think that being a lesbian in any way disqualifies anyone for office, though given the mentality of red states, I don't think a lesbian can win the presidency.

The point isn't whether the story is true; it's that the right wing blogosphere has laid the groundwork for it appearing to be possible.

Kerry wasn't a coward in Vietnam, and Gore never said he invented the internet. It doesn't matter.

Ultimately, the only thing Hillary will be able to do is say, "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Huma Abedin ..."

And that point, endgame.

[CTyankee]

90. Don't you think that Hillary and her staff have already put in place a plan to keep

another Swiftboating to happen? They ain't stupid. Too much is at stake for them to sit back and let this thing blow up in their faces. The fact that the woman still works for Hillary tells me that the whole thing is manufactured, ready to be sprung the minute Hillary gets the nom (if she DOES get the nom, which I don't think she will). I think she and her staff have their knives out and poised for use against such an attack...seriously...

[Politicalboi]

87. I heard about

That story last November and I thought it was going to come out then. But now is a good time for this to come out. Just like Hillary should "come out of her closet".

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. Notice Karl Jr. is the only one saying she's been fully vetted?

[MH1]

4. I hate that it's come to this but I have to suggest

that some forward-thinking 527's or other groups start attacking Hillary with some of this kitchen sink, but they have to be completely independent of the Obama campaign - not any sign of any connection anywhere - which might be the hardest thing to do.

Give me an organization with some money and I could certainly give them some ideas about how to spend it. I'm sure many of us could. :evilgrin:

Like I said, I hate that it's come to this. But I think that it has, and the Clintons need to be taken out.* They asked for it. They don't want to accept defeat graciously, then it has to be handled ungraciously.


* for any idiots who don't do context, I mean their campaign demolished, not physically "taken out".

[Toucano]

5. Wow. Isn't that the perfect example of becoming the thing you despise?

Just an observation. :)

[MH1]

16. Nope.

I don't suggest that lightly but I think that there SHOULD be a response in kind, every time the Hillary campaign or one of their surrogates launches a ridiculous attack. They claim they are "vetting" Obama, showing why he can't win in the GE. Well if that is the case being argued, then some Obama supporters need to start laying out the other side of the argument.

My only problem with the general approach is using it against a Democrat. I think it MUST be used against the republicans, or we will continue to lose.

It is a shame that a large percentage of Americans only respond to the negative attacks, but it appears to be FACT - therefore it is what has to be done.

If it were not the case, then we wouldn't be having any discussion, except about President Kerry's upcoming re-election.

Oh wait... I guess we'd actually be looking at candidates to succeed Gore after his second term. :)

[ekwhite]

39. Oh yes, let's make the party even MORE divided

Good plan, if you're a Rethuglican. :grr:

[sellitman]

91. He has taken the high road and that has won my support.

If you want to trash his message of Hope then yes, your way is the next logical step. I personally hope he can stay away from suggestions such as yours.

[nxylas]

94. It hasn't come to this

Obama is winning without having to resort to such tactics. He would lose more than he gained by throwing the kitchen sink at HRC.

[nichomachus]

7. What we believe -- what they believe

The idea that Hillary has been "vetted" is ludicrous. Those of us who are engaged, who read the news on the Internet, who participate in the blogs, who follow these things closely, know that Whitewater was a GOP fraud, have moved beyond Monica, have forgotten about Travelgate and Filegate.

HOWEVER, we are about 10 percent of the population. Many of the others still think these things were real or don't know much about them other than the names. I have acquaintances and family members who believe these things. It wouldn't take much of a barrage by Rush and O'Reilly and the whole Faux News stable to put them all back front and center. I think we could see a Hillary campaign spending all it's time trying to re-debunk old rumors and "scandals" and not being able to get its message out.

Don't give the American people that much credit. There is an incredible amount of ignorance out there.

[Liberal Veteran]

10. No doubt. If she gets the nomination, expect it to be followed with a Scaife funded sequel...

....The Clinton Chronicles 2: Hillary the Wicked.

[psychmommy]

8. it is already starting in the tabloids,

obama doesn't seem to have any sizzle when it comes to scandal and drama. but, the clintons and mccains are hot hot hot. i look forward to more scandal as hillary pushes harder in the primary,

[roseBudd]

9. The meaning of the word "is" and Clintonian as a metaphor for lieing

If you think she is electable, that she doesn't imperil downticket races, you are smoking something

And petty as it may sound if you don't think her annoying voice will be a hindrance, then you have no idea how petty the electorate is

[grannylib]

93. And isn't that unfortunate? I've often thought it a real detriment and it's

sad, because again, it's a distraction. People do focus more on her tone than on what she is saying, which is, as you say, indicative of the pettiness of the pundits, the MSM, and at least some of the voters.

[yourguide]

11. Again, shows the restraint on the part of the Obama campaign.

And that he has run a fair campaign.

[flpoljunkie]

15. I really wish you would not use that photo of Hillary Clinton. It's just ugly to do so. She is

actually a very attractive woman, and that is a very rare unattractive photo.

Aren't we better than that?

[yourguide]

21. When she runs a better campaign than what she is running...

instead of doing crap like trying to tie obama to farrakhan and hamas in debates which is bullllllshit, I will then take it down.

until then it stands.

[flpoljunkie]

24. My comment stands, as well.

[ekwhite]

40. I support your comment

We need to start supporting our fellow Democrats, not tearing them down.

[yourguide]

51. And the first moment she does, I will take this photo down.

Not a moment sooner.

[Jim Sagle]

60. We are, they're not.

[Bensthename]

46. Great pic of Hillary.. What a hottie.

[SoCalDem]

52. The poster for '08..Clinton v Mccain The kids will go wild over these two

[JanusAscending]

58. Her face is sagging more than mine,

and mine is pretty bad seeing that I am 10 years her Senior!! That $3,000 a day hairdresser and cosmeticion, really earns her money,no????

[DeeDeeNY]

73. I wonder if Hillary has had work done

On all the debates and when she has spoken in front of crowds, she doesn't have a line in her face. If she hasn't had plastic surgery, her cosmetician is worth her weight in gold.

[tabasco]

12. I'll take uranium deals with murderous dictators for $32 million, Alex.

LMAO that Hillary has been "vetted."

Obama has not even opened the door to her closet full of skeletons.

The republicans will not give her a free pass like Obama has done.



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/P/Philanthropy&pagewanted=all

[Aloha Spirit]

14. ha

[flpoljunkie]

76. Ha! William Jefferson Clinton: Influence peddler extraordinaire

A spokesman for Mr. Clinton said the former president knew that Mr. Giustra had mining interests in Kazakhstan but was unaware of “any particular efforts” and did nothing to help. Mr. Giustra said he was there as an “observer only” and there was “no discussion” of the deal with Mr. Nazarbayev or Mr. Clinton.

But Moukhtar Dzhakishev, president of Kazatomprom, said in an interview that Mr. Giustra did discuss it, directly with the Kazakh president, and that his friendship with Mr. Clinton “of course made an impression.”i Mr. Dzhakishev added that Kazatomprom chose to form a partnership with Mr. Giustra’s company based solely on the merits of its offer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/P/Philanthropy&pagewanted=all

[Nedsdag]

18. Hertzberg is correct.

If Hillary truly believes the GOP won't lay a glove on her, she's living in a dream world.

The Peter Paul trial is still up in the air as well.

[JTFrog]

65. The Peter Paul case will see both Hillary and Bill testifying during a GE month about their shady

fund raising practices. Last I read it was scheduled to hit right about November. Peter Paul is scum represented by a right wing attack group that is connected to Richard Scaife:



Awfully cozy with a guy who spent millions trying to prove she killed Vince Foster.




But then she's been getting awfully cozy with some real pigs for a while now. Mark Penn being the lard laden icing on the cake.

I guess she figured if she couldn't beat them, she'd join them. She's in for a rude awakening as soon as she steps out of that little bubble world she borrowed from George.

[lolamio]

19. I think that's spot on.

The right wing has an entire arsenal they are waiting to unload should Clinton become the nominee. It's depressing to even think about what it means for a Democrat win in November.

[H2O Man]

20. Interesting.

This has to be considered when some advocate Senator Clinton being on the Obama ticket as VP.

[City Lights]

22. Those who claim Hillary has been fully vetted must believe the Clintons

have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs since Bill and Hill vacated the White House. :eyes:

[DrFunkenstein]

23. Two Words: Denise. Rich.

One of the biggest donors to Hillary Clinton and the Clinton library, Marc Rich's wife is a long, national nightmare waiting to happen. The soft donations going into the Clinton library are justifiably questionable, although I'm glad the Obama camp has shown the restraint that the Clintons either will not or cannot demonstrate. I'm sure that the GOP would be less forgiving.

[1776Forever]

25. For those that aren't that familiar with the Marc Rich pardon read this linked post I did on it....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=124338&mesg_id=124381

[williesgirl]

26. That's why they started out small, when he didn't respond (and he was right), they then took off the

gloves, knowing he was too decent to do the same. He cares about this country and our party. They do not. They only care about taking up residence on Pa. Ave again.

Our country, thanks to the Repukes and our criminal-in-chief, has many serious problems to resolve. We don't need any more self-serving egoists who care zero for anyone or thing besides the rich and corporations running this country.

My hat's off to BO and the manner in which he's run his campaign. I'm obviously not alone as millions of us broke people are giving what we can to get him elected.

[JerseygirlCT]

27. Oh absolutely!

It's patently obvious to me that the RW is DYING to run against Hillary, and has been for years now. They're ready, they're loaded. That's why the prospect of an Obama nom. pisses them off so much: all that hard work preparing to smear Clinton right down the drain!

Regardless of who you support in the primary, be certain that the RW wants to run against Clinton.

[Frank Booth]

28. Right. Why anyone would want to nominate this sure loser candidate who hasn't been vetted

is beyond me.

[Scurrilous]

29. K & R

:thumbsup:

[anonymous171]

30. Obama should pull a Huckabee

Make an ad and give it to the media saying they "decided against airing it" because it was too negative.

[nebula]

32. This is exactly why

the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh have been heavily campaigning for Hillary in the primary,
and why McCrazy never attacks her during the primary.

[ORDem]

33. KnR

:kick:

[ekwhite]

35. I have been saying this for the past few days

What has been thrown at Obama is nothing compared to what they will do to Clinton. They are just salivating at the chance of running against her.

[nebula]

36. The irony is

they will use her own attacks against her.

[FrenchieCat]

38. That is the real problem......that they are saving the stuff they have on Hillary

in case she becomes the Nominee. If, by some miracle, she does become the nominee, it will be full trottle till November. It would be very ugly, and will make our head spin. If you think that the primaries are not addressing the issues of the American people, you haven't seen nothing yet. It will be old politics as usual, and because Hillary promoted old politics as being totally legitimate and fair, she will have nothing to say while they slime her on every network news show there is.

That's why Obama has to be our nominee; Hillary has fully vetted him at this point, and then some.

[madrchsod]

47. you missed the" TABLE TENNIS SCANDAL " ???

ROCKING THE NET ..... NOT LOOKING GOOD for BARACK-- GOOGLE has TWO PAGES on TABLE TENNIS SCANDAL...IT IS BAD!!

READ IT HERE AT DU, HUGE!

FAIRY TALES CAN COME TRUE
IF YOU ARE YOUNG AT HEART!!!!


:wow::crazy::bounce::woohoo: :crazy: :woohoo: :bounce::crazy: :wow:

[madrchsod]

41. it`s all about the kitchen sink shortage

she`s thrown so many there is now a shortage of kitchen sinks. little known fact that bill clinton has invested heavily into kitchen sink futures....need i say more??

[DemsUnited]

42. this is exactly what I and several other DUers have been

saying for weeks.

The last paragraph of this article says it all:

My point is that Hillary Clinton has not, in fact, survived the worst that the Republican attack machine (and its pilotless drones online and on talk radio) can dish out. We will learn what the worst really means if she is nominated. The Commie law firm will be only the beginning. Many tempting targets—from Bill’s little-examined fund-raising and business activities during the past seven years to the prospect of his hanging around the White House in some as yet undefined role for another four or eight years to whatever leftovers from the Clinton “scandals” of the nineteen-nineties can be retrieved from the dumpster and reheated—remain to be machine-gunned. The whole Clinton marital soap opera, obviously off limits within the Democratic fold, will offer ample material for what Obama calls “distractions.” To take the most obvious example, the former President’s social life since leaving the White House will become, if not “fair game,” big game—and some of these right-wing dirtbags are already hiring bearers and trying on pith helmets for the safari. Is this a “there” where the Democratic Party really wants to go?

Hearty kick and rec and thanks to flpoljunkie for posting.

[goclark]

48. The Democratic Party does not want to go there

but Hillary has taken it to every room in the house.

[cliffordu]

43. DING DING DING We have a winner!!! Kicked!!

Best post of the fucking day.

:kick:


:patriot:

[madrchsod]

44. no he should`t...

when one is ahead of the opponent one does not use the tactics of the opponent to gain more of an advantage.

[eagertolearn]

97. Exactly! But Hillary's supporters should know this stuff...

Someone needs to whisper this in their ears. You know everything has been thrown at Obama because they keep repeating the same junk over and over. If there was more, Hillary would of found it. We already see how he is handling it. Why don't more people see this????

[TragedyandHope]

45. No question, either Democratic candidate will face the dirtiest campaign in recent memory

The Rethugs are up against the wall after 8 years of Bush, so they're willing to do anything for the slim change of victory.

Mark my words, there will be a point where they stop pussy-footing and just decide to go forward with full-on 100% sexist or 100% racist attacks. If they can succeed in turning the focus that direction instead of the economy and Iraq, they will have won half the battle.

From our Democratic Primary season, it seems that Obama is far better equipped to wage a successful strategic battle against their tactics and still connect with voters to convince them that he can truly offer something different from the past 8 years.

[liberaldem4ever]

49. K&R Absolutely agree

I'm finding out more everyday what the RW is going to use to destroy Clinton with in the GE if they get the chance. You can tell how bad they want to do it if you listen to the Repub pundits on cable praising Clinton and begging for her to win while they're smirking and giggling.

[Tarheel_Dem]

53. k&r......

:kick:

[chieftain]

54. k & r

[mcollier]

55. Why is Hillary looking for a fight with the wrong person?

What is wrong with her!???

Oh yeah? 2012 perhaps???

We need a break from the past. Think about your children and grand children some day... Our young are sure as hell thinking about their parents and grandparents, struggling in this rat race, its shameful what's going on in this great country. We need a game changer in the Washington political scene.

Obama brings the best plan to the table. "The Blueprint for Change" www.barackobama.com/issues

We don't have time to be fighting each other... We need to be fighting for the survival of our country.

[MNBrewer]

56. Andrew Sullivan? Really? REALLY?

Does he really have any credibility?

[flpoljunkie]

71. Andrew Sullivan only linked the article from The New Yorker.

[McCamy Taylor]

57. 43 recs for "hide our heads in the sand 'cause we are scared of the MSM and RNC oppo"?

Is this the Democratic Party or is this place full of wimps being scared to death by a bunch of Freeper moles who know how to do their job only too well?

The majority of Americans who call themselves leftist would not survive for a second in a real class struggle in a country like Boliva or Peru or in Spain under Franco where the stakes were life or death. This whole thread is a perfect demonstration of everything that is wrong about DU right now.

Rev. Wright just gave a beautiful speech that proves he is worth ten of either Obama or Clinton, and the people participating in this thread do not even begin to get it. Read some Leonard Boff and some Jon Sobrino, the liberation theologists if you are Christians. Read some Angela Davis if you are not. Stop listening to the MSM and anyone who tells you to hate another Democrat, because that person is not your political ally, that person is an RNC mole. Listen to your conscience instead and the voice of reason.

[Spider Jerusalem]

66. The very idea that Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama can reasonably be considered leftist...

is an absurdist joke. Both are centre-right, like the majority of the American political mainstream; Obama is to all appearances marginally further to the political left than Clinton, but not so much as John Edwards (who isn't a leftist either).

And in case you haven't noticed, we aren't in Peru, or Bolivia, or Spain under Franco (and if the American political situation were in any way comparable, Hillary Clinton is one of the last people I would trust to lead things in a new direction).Politics is situational and local. We are in the United States, and the fact remains that Senator Clinton has a host of unsavoury personal connections that can and will be exploited against her, and which make her a likely far weaker general election candidate than she already appears to be.

[iamahaingttta]

78. What the hell are you talking about?

I used to think you were smart, but lately... not so much.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

59. The only, and I mean ONLY

family that deserves 12 years in the White House would be Franklin and Eleanor.

[McCamy Taylor]

61. Gore Vidal has said that the media attacks on Hillary are worse than on Eleanor.

I will find you the link if you insist, but it is true. It is in my journals. He was at a dinner party and someone said the attacks on Eleanor were worse and he said that no one ever actually came out and accused Eleanor of murdering people and recommended murdering Eleanor and all the other vile shit that people have done with Hillary.

If anyone in DU really thinks that the Democrats should keep her off a ticket out of fear of what Rush or O'Reilly or Kristol or even supposedly mainstream media like the GE/NBC family are going to do, then I wonder if you have the guts to be in the party of the Roosevelts.

There may be a lot of reasons to worry about Clinton, but media reprisals is not one. Nor is reprisal a reason to doubt Obama. A united Democratic Party can kick the MSM's lying butt from the convention all the way to November.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

63. It doesn't sound like "media reprisal", It sounds like the GOP has more amo on her.

[Spider Jerusalem]

67. Better reason for keeping her off the ticket: she's a sure loser.

This is politics. She is very much hated by many people. She has a whole trainload of baggage that will be dredged up and gone over endlessly in the media. She is viewed as untrustworthy by a majority of Americans, according to recent public opionion surveys. How any of this makes it a good idea to have her on the ticket is something I just don't see, but then I thought the point was to actually win in November.

[TBF]

92. I agree - the "vetting" or lack thereof really isn't the point

Hillary was very unpopular during Bill's presidency. Moderates don't like her. There has to be some appeal to the swing voters or you can't be elected. Obama has a good chance. No the racists won't vote for him, but most of them are already in the Republican party anyway. Hillary just isn't electable.

[happygoluckytoyou]

62. oh oh .... trouble for the OVER THE HILLARY GANG...

"maybe if we only count states that start with the letter M, divide by testicles per candidate, and ignore the black vote.... yes yes... i see it now.... she WINS!!!!"

[ForeignSpectator]

64. You can't divide by zero...

:spank:

[lligrd]

68. Why Did She Vote For The IWR

The answer to that alone should give us qualms.

[Raine]

69. The reTHUGs are drooling at the possibility of Hillary

so they can dredge up ALL the dirt.

[Perry Logan]

70. It won't happen. Hillary has neutralized Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife.

[flpoljunkie]

72. You don't really believe that, do you?

[Perry Logan]

74. As LBJ said, it's better to have them inside the tent pissing out...

[Vinca]

75. Ha! Richard Mellon Scaife is like a fox who got the spare key

to the hen house. If you think he'll leave Hillary alone if she's the nominee, you're living in a fantasy world. As for Murdoch, his "dossier" on Bill has been whispered about since day one of Hillary's campaign.

[Perry Logan]

79. EARTH CALLING DU: THE REPUBLICANS WILL CREATE WHATEVER SMEARS THEY NEED--AGAINST ANY CANDIDATE.

And the Clintons have sustained political careers in the face of these smears--which Obama has not.

[CTyankee]

95. I agree with you on that point. I sometimes think we let our enthusiasm overcome our

common sense and past experience in presidential campaigns. Weren't we all in a daze when Kerry got Swiftboated successfully? Those of us who knew full well that Kerry had enemies because of his antiwar activities were probably not as dazed as younger DUers, but we pushed our fears to one side. Then, of course, it happened. And the perfectly timed CBS TANG memo. And we just loved Teresa, despite what fears we may have had about her temperament and her "foreignness." No, we were good little doobees...

[Perry Logan]

80. How awful that we have to sweat this stuff, as the Republic lies bleeding.

I'm not saying we don't have to sweat the Republicans' unvarying use of the kitchen sink. But how weird that the other side has to steer so far from the real issues to get votes.

On the other hand, this crap is just about all we talk about here at GD:P, isn't it?

OK. Now let's get back to the divisive stuff.

[Medusa]

81. This is why I laugh every time someone claims Hillary has been "vetted"

Isn't it clear by now when Fox News is cheerleading for Hillary to win the nomination that the Republicans are jacking off at the mere prospect of facing her in the GE? They know they can destroy her in the GE and they will if she's the nominee.

Fortunately that's NOT going to happen because the nominee will be Obama!

[Perry Logan]

82. It's a hollow laugh, my friend. You know they'll make up whatever smears they need against anybody.

[BeyondGeography]

83. Of course

And the funny part is her Democratic supporters think the country is ready to move on.

[Perry Logan]

84. The Clintons have sustained political careers in the face of those smears--but Obama has not.

[BeyondGeography]

85. What has been done with Rev. Wright makes Gennifer Flowers look like teeball

and Obama responded with a speech that will be taught in schools across the country.

Next.

[Perry Logan]

86. In a few short weeks, Obama has virtually matched Hillary's negatives.

And they had fifteen-plus years to work on her. Just think what they can do if he runs.

Next.

[BeyondGeography]

88. When your response to sex and financial scandals is to have more sex and financial scandals

the well never runs dry.

Will the Clinton Kids ever learn?

[madwivoter]

89. Gasp!

Scandal! Are you saying that Hillary Clinton hasn't been thoroughly vetted? :sarcasm:

Seriously, thanks for posting this. I'm getting really sick and tired of Clinton supporters saying that Obama hasn't been vetted and the rethugs are going to unload on him...I think they would unload on her even worse. She's done all of their rovian work for them already, so there's not much left. Oh, don't get me wrong, they will attack him, but it will probably be a re-hashing of issues that the Clinton campaign brought up during the primaries.

[Froward69]

96. Rethugs love to say that the 2000 debacle

is "old news" and yet we can bet the farms that they will trod out all of Hillarys "skeletons" decades older than 2000.

another thing is how mcsame abandons his stance on torture... now says information derived from torture can be believed. so With HIS OWN LOGIC, his (very own) signed confession of war crimes in Vietnam is reliable.

[CatsDogsBabies]

98. I think Obama has far less baggage than HRC and so is the easier target

right now.

[nebula]

99. Not just the kitchen sink, the entire kitchen will be thrown at her

35 years of experience?

More like 35 years of skeletons waiting to be dragged out into the light of day.