Why do Clinton supporters keep saying Obama played the race card?

[my3boyz]

What is it that Obama said that makes them believe that? I honestly don't understand. Maybe I missed it or something. All I remember is the remark that Clinton made in South Carolina. How did Obama supposedly start it?

[wndycty]

1. Because part of her strategy is to call him out for playing the race card. . .

. . .the fact that he hasn't bothers her camp so they have resorted to just making shit up.

[ecdab]

66. Dead on accurate.

[TahitiNut]

83. May 13, 2007 - Obama interviewed in This Week by Clinton butt-kisser Stephanopoulus

STEPHANOPOULOS: You have a very cool style when you're doing those town meetings, when you're out on the campaign trail. And I wonder, how much of that is tied to your race?

OBAMA: That's interesting.

In ClintonCloudCuckooLand, "that's interesting" is what passes for the race-card, I guess.

:eyes:

[DearAbby]

2. Obama plays the race card?

How silly, He just has to stand there...it can't be hidden. God/nature created him black. That is how, I suppose, he raised the issue first...JUST BEING!

[cali]

3. because like hillary and bill they're consumate liars

their "logic" is the supposed race memo- which wasn't a memo about playing the "race card", Obama's not responding fast enough to hilly's comments about LBJ and Jesse Jackson Jr's pressuring black reps to switch from hilly to Obama.

Pathetic lot.

[JoFerret]

6. No. They believe it to be true.

Some of them at least.

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. Gullible, then. nt

[JoFerret]

53. Not at all

Please accept a different point of view.

[JimGinPA]

71. A Lie Is Not "A Different Point Of View" - It's Just A Lie

[dailykoff]

73. Black and white thinking is sexist.

Why do you hate anorexic teenage girls?

[JoFerret]

76. Whatever

Your candidate is a liar.
So there - does that feel better?

[lisa58]

77. treachery is a different point of view

[JoFerret]

79. Obama is not a traitor.

Nor is Clinton.

Stop trading in nonsense.

[RaleighNCDUer]

75. Truth does not have a point of view.

If someone says they believe something that is patently untrue, there are 3 choices: 1) they are lying; 2) they've been fooled; or 3) they're too stupid to recognize the truth. I prefer to avoid ascribing #3 as it is being ungenerous.

[JoFerret]

78. Ah Truth

...truth is - I prefer a different candidate. For many good reasons.
Get over it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

84. Fine. No problem. Just don't publicly ascribe it to Obama playing

the race card, because it is not true, and makes you look like an ass.

Would't want that.

[JoFerret]

85. Enough already.

.

[BenDavid]

4. Oh hell! It is simple. HRC had no need to play the race card. Damn!

She was still receiving a good percentage of the black vote in South Carolina and there was no need to play the race card. Obama played the race card and then with the willing whoremedia blamed it on the Clintons.. Simple as that....

Bill Clinton explained it correctly when he was interviewd in the lobby of a hotel were a rally was taking place and he told the CNN reporter exactly what was happening with the obama campaign putting out these memos and the willing media running with them....He said this last week as well and he was right then as he is now....

These last 100 days have been the most hateful.Gee, I wonder - who started that ball rolling? Who was it that got us to stop fighting the Bush bastards so we could fight each other? Who gained power by splitting the party and getting Democrats to fight Democrats? Obama.

[Mojorabbit]

16. I seem to remember

that her support at the time from african americans was dropping like a rock according to the polls

[VolcanoJen]

20. If memory serves, the "Jesse Jackson" comment happened the morning of the SC Primary.

Are you alleging that one comment swung huge percentages of the African-American that were solidly in her camp away from Clinton and to Obama within hours? Assuming they'd seen it, heard about it, were sufficiently outraged and whipped up solely by the Obama camp spin? Again, within hours?

:shrug:

I mean, honestly. If the Obama camp "orchestrated" the entire "race card" thing and even had "memos" then forcing Bill Clinton to drop the Jesse Jackson bomb and spin it sufficiently in their favor means the Obama camp sucks at playing the "race card."

[Window]

40. Yeah, and we know Bill doesn't lie.

:rofl:

[JoFerret]

80. But Obama had no choice?

.

[JoFerret]

5. Because they believe it to be true

Check out an earlier thread from today to see why.

[Liberal Gramma]

7. SOP

When someone says or does something that can be construed as racist, the immediate defense is to accuse the accuser of playing the race card. That takes the focus off the racist.

[tekisui]

8. It's the "Race Card Card".

[baldguy]

9. Because he's black.

[dailykoff]

18. And he's winning.

Bingo.

[Gore1FL]

45. The nerve of the man!

[Cha]

To Distract from hilary playing the

Gender Card every freakin' chance she gets.

hilary LIES are going to feel so good when they stop 'cause she's dropped.

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Karl Rove Says: Attack Your Opponent On YOUR OWN Weakness

The Clintons are race baiting. The Clintons have publicly said that they like Karl Rove and his tactics. The Clintons are thus taking a page from Rove and attacking Obama for what they, themselves, are doing.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

11. Here's a recent untruthiness OP & what Obama actually said:

OP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5692253&mesg_id=5692253

Reality:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/62927...

The lovey-doveyness of last night's debate may have come to an end. This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true. He took credit for helping to expand the playing field for Democrats by "attracting new voters and independent voters into the process in a way that Senator Clinton cannot do."

"I don't take all the credit for the enormous upsurge in participation in the Democratic primaries and caucuses over the last four contests," Obama said while taking questions from reporters in Los Angeles. "But I think it's fair to say nobody has done more to engage and bring people in who otherwise would not participate."

Obama and McCain both attract a large number of Independents, while Clinton is stronger among Democrats than Independents. Using Nevada as an example, Obama said while Clinton did well in Clark County where traditional Democrats reside, he did well in Elko, a place without traditional Democratic votes.

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

more

[intaglio]

25. and where is the word black, brown, or

African-American in that statement?

Anyone?

Clinton deception

[EffieBlack]

27. He was probably thinking it

You know how they are . . .

[Mooney]

12. Becasue they're full of shit.

I've asked for a single quote, over and over again, of Obama "playing the race card" or accusing the Clintons of using racist tactics against him. All they ever give me, on the rare occasions when they actually answer, is a link to the Sean Wilentz article.

That's it. They have nothing.

[Catherina]

13. Monkey projection

They do shit and, DESPITE warnings, are shocked at how it diminishes Hillary so they turn the tables hoping Obama will pay the price for their temerity instead. What I love is that anyone paying the slight bit of attention to these Primaries sees their dishonesty from a mile away and it only hurts Clinton more.

[4themind]

14. Because its a cliche, that's nebulous enough to be fit to the writer's intent. Heck

MLK may have been said to"playing the race card" given some of these definitions, I have seen used, regardless of what he was playing it for was valid or not.

[bowens43]

15. Because lying is part of their stratagy.

[Yossariant]

17. Obama has been playing the race card since he left Jethro in Alabama and took up with Pookie.

"I think we've made clear that the issue related to cocaine use is not something that the campaign was in any way raising, and I think that's been made clear," he said. Obama's campaign aides (as well as John Edwards's) immediately leapt on Penn and chastised him as an inflammatory demagogue for using the word that Obama himself referred to in his memoir as "blow." Since then, Obama's strategists and supporters in the press have whipped the story into a full racialist subtext, as if Shaheen and Penn were the executors of a well-plotted Clinton master plan to turn Obama into a stereotypical black street hoodlum--or, in the words of the fervently pro-Obama and anti-Clinton columnist Frank Rich of the New York Times, "ghettoized as a cocaine user." ...

As late as 6 p.m. on (NH) primary day, Clinton staff members with whom I spoke were saying that they would consider a loss by ten percentage points or less as a kind of moral victory. But instead, Clinton won outright, amazing her own delighted supporters and galling the Obama campaign.

That evening, the Democratic campaign became truly tangled up in racial politics--directly and forcefully introduced by the pro-Obama forces. In order to explain away the shocking loss, Obama backers vigorously spread the claim that the so-called Bradley Effect had kicked in. First used to account for the surprising defeat of Los Angeles mayor Tom Bradley in the California gubernatorial race in 1982, the Bradley Effect supposedly takes hold when white voters tell opinion pollsters that they plan to vote for a black candidate but instead, driven by racial fears, pull the lever for a white candidate. Senior Clinton campaign officials later told me that reporters contacted them saying that the Obama camp was pushing them very hard to spin Clinton's victory as the latest Bradley Effect result. Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson, a cheerleading advocate for Obama, went on television to suggest the Bradley Effect explained the New Hampshire outcome, then backed off--only then to write a column, "Echoes of Tom Bradley," in which he claimed he could not be sure but that, nevertheless, "embarrassed pollsters and pundits had better be vigilant for signs that the Bradley effect, unseen in recent years, has crept back."

The very next morning, Obama's national co-chair, Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr., a congressional supporter from Chicago, played the race card more directly by appearing on MSNBC to claim in a well-prepared statement that Clinton's emotional moment on the campaign trail was actually a measure of her deeply ingrained racism and callousness about the suffering poor. "But those tears also have to be analyzed," Jackson said, "they have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45 percent of African-Americans will participate in the Democratic contest ... we saw tears in response to her appearance, so that her appearance brought her to tears, but not Hurricane Katrina, not other issues." And so the Obama campaign headed south with race and racism very much on its mind--and on its lips.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

[TexasObserver]

19. Because that's what racists do when they get caught being racist towards blacks.

When they say "race card played," they mean they got caught being racist.

[VolcanoJen]

29. Thank you. It really is that simple.

A moment of clarity!!

[dailykoff]

41. TO nails it again.

:thumbsup:

[sniffa]

21. Desperation

And an inability to recognize subtle race baiting, as well as extremely offensive bigoted shit.

[cui bono]

22. The Clinton meme is to accuse Obama of everything bad the Clinton camp has done. n/t

[clevbot]

23. tri-ang-u-lation

[Saturday]

24. Off the top of my head I'll give you a couple times....

1, In his speech on race. He gave Wright a pass because after all he was a man of the 60's and you know how they suffered so I'll give my black pastor a pass. Did he give whites a pass because they were of the 60's and they had life experiences too? A black man can say God damn America and it's not a problem. Also his comment that his grandmother is a typical white woman.

2, Michelle Obama and her comment on blacks will come around.

3, Jumping on Bill Clinton for his comment in SC. It was so embellished that Obama's camp used it to turn blacks against Clinton. The first Black President was turned into an racist by the Obama campaign.

[EffieBlack]

26. I know it's a waste of time, but here's my response to your claims

1. The answer is yes. Obama explained why many white people feel the way they do based upon THEIR experiences. Maybe you should look at his speech again.

2. Michelle Obama answered a question posed to her by a white journalist about why blacks were not supporting her husband. Accusing someone of playing the race card because they answered a question that someone else asked them about race is a bit much, isn't it?

3. Responding to someone's comments about race is not playing the race card.

It sounds like you think that it's fine and dandy for white people to bring up race all they want and talk about it whenever and however they choose. Yet you think that any black person who actually responds to it is playing the race card.

I see exactly where you're coming from and know that this will go right past you since you have an obvious point of view that is impervious to reason or reality on this topic. But I'm responding in hope that others reading my response will not fall for your specious arguments.

[Saturday]

35. You don't need to be insulting to me. Get over yourself.

1, Obama gave his pastor a pass. His pastor is black. His pastor said outrageous things that insulted whites, America etc. Obama himself said he was wrong yet he gave him a pass. Why because he's black but Obama had to try to stop the storm by talking "political talk" as Wright has now confirmed Obama does.

2, Are you serious? If you answer a question you're not playing the race card no matter what you say? How ridiculous.

3, Obama painted the first Black President as a racist.

End of conversation. Your mind is closed.

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. FYI, WJC ain't black.

Never has been. Never will be.

Michelle was right. The black electorate HAS seen through the Clinton myth.

And there are plenty of Wright threads that debunk that lie.

Yadayadayada describes you perfectly. Close your ears and stop listening to what you don't want to hear.

[jbm]

28. early in the campaign...

Early in the campaign many of the black voters were still polling as Clinton supporters. Obamas campign knew that some demographics would be unlikely to support him, but he could counter that if he had the vast majority of the black vote. They began a strategy of painting the Clintons as racists, by doing things like implying that a true statement that Hillary made (Lyndon Johnson played a crucial role in the passage of civil rights bills) had racial undertones. As usual, Bill Clinton provided fuel for the fire with his statement about Jesse Jackson winning South Carolina, but that does not change the fact that the Obama campaign was playing a subtle but effective swiftboating game in order to increase their percentage of the black vote. Apparently the Obama campaign had some version of this strategy on paper, and I heard from several sources that proof is floating around out there somewhere.

[sniffa]

30. I've heard from several sources that there's proof out there

that the Clintons are racists.

I of course, don't believe that, but that's the word on the street.

Now, I'm off to shuck and jive.

[jbm]

34. when I talk about proof, I'm only referencing the written strategy..

the rest of it is easy to observe. Just look up the media clips of those instances, and watch the Obama campaign play passive/agressive with the race card.

[Saturday]

37. He knew that, he's just being an Obama supporter. nt

[jbm]

61. thanks for the reassurance...

:toast:

[RaleighNCDUer]

43. Proof that you somehow just can't quite come up with,

but it's sure to be out there somewhere.

Kinda like Saddam's WMDs.

[Shae]

64. typical Obama supporter ...

can't be bothered with looking up the proof that is out there somewhere.

:sarcasm:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

33. "proof is floating around out there somewhere"

[sandnsea]

52. Her campaign questioned whether he was a drug dealer

Then they said how wonderful his Muslim background was, and how proud he should be of his name Hussein. Then they said you have to have more than shuck and jive at a press conference, and someone else said people just thought he was their cool black friend. Bill Clinton called him kid.

After all of that, they just couldn't let well enough alone. They had to go further with the LBJ comment and the SC comment.

They injected race into the campaign, repeatedly.

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. Just another Rovian tactic they've adopted.

Accuse the other side of what they are doing themselves.

Re: SC, Bill says something, Obama camp RESPONDS, then they get to turn it back on the Obama camp, pretending that what Bill said was NOT racially dismissive.

[jr7]

36. dishonesty and or an extremely distorted sense of reality based on a lack of ethics, hatred, and arr

chronic dishonesty and or an extremely distorted sense of reality based on a lack of ethics, hatred, and arrogance.

These people are extremely dishonest. They will lie, steal, cheat, smear, and or do what ever it takes to attain power. The also have no ethics, are mean spirited, full of hate, and are extremely arrogant.
So it could also be that they have told the lie enough times they actually believe it or they view events and statements through their mean spiritedness, hatred, and arrogance rather than through reality.

Sometimes it's just hard to say with them.

[Window]

38. 'Cause like their leader, they'll say anything. Doesn't have to be true, just say anything.

:rofl:

[mattclearing]

42. They say "Obama took it out of context." In fact, it was supporters and the media

who stirred shit up, but the Clintons knew what they were saying and knew there would be totally reasonable people upset about it. Fuck 'em.

[JI7]

44. the term race card itself is racist

i think Dr. Fate started a thread on it. but it's used by white people whenever a minority brings up something concerning racism. the term race card is used to imply that the minorities are just playing victim to try to get something and that in reality there is no racism.

[anigbrowl]

46. DING! We have a winner! .nt

[dailykoff]

47. And saying it, and saying it.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if the Clinton campaign makes a single truthful statement before being consigned to the lowest cellar of US political history.

[Zhade]

48. Projection.

NT!

[ruggerson]

49. If you really want to know, read this piece from the New Republic

Read it carefully and as objectively as you can..

There are many here who will, in a kneejerk fashion, try to discredit Sean Wilentz, but he is an eminently reputable historian.

Share your thoughts with us after you've read it.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

[dailykoff]

51. Wilentz is a flack whose own editors at TNR reamed him as a racist.

I'll add a link to a thread about this when I find it.

[ruggerson]

54. Wilentz is a widely respected professor at Princeton

and wrote the famed "Worst President in History" article for the cover of Rolling Stone.

Princeton is not in the habit of keeping racists on their faculty, despite what some less perceptive folks might say.

[dailykoff]

56. Doesn't mean he's not a liar, a racist and a flack.

Lots of professors are.

[ruggerson]

60. the two other writers at TNR you used as an example are Obama flacks

Cass Sunstein knows him from U of Chicago Law School

"In January 2008, Sunstein began dating the prominent foreign policy specialist Samantha Power whom he met while working on Illinois Democratic senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign"

Jason Zengerle is an Obama zealot who has some serious credibility problems with the liberal blogosphere and, according to this source, has apparently "fabricated emails" in order to discredit his web enemies.

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/06/does-new-republic-have-new-stephen_23.html

Neither of them can be taken even remotely seriously.

[dailykoff]

65. Supporting a candidate doesn't make one a flack. Lying does.

Big difference.

[ruggerson]

67. Sorry, they're both discredited

[dailykoff]

68. Only the liar was discredited, publicly, in his own publication.

Anyone with an ounce of shame wouldn't touch that campaign with a ten-foot pole.

[ruggerson]

69. the only reputable one of the three is Wilentz

[dailykoff]

72. Your personal opinion isn't worth a hill of beans, sorry. (n/t)

[ruggerson]

74. please keep responding so more people will read the article

thanks.

[dailykoff]

87. Sure. And here's that link again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5314720&mesg_id=5314720

[ruggerson]

91. And here's the New Republic link

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

[dailykoff]

55. Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5314720&mesg_id=5314720

[jbm]

86. that's a very well researched article

thanks for posting it.

[ShortnFiery]

50. Projection! Bubba Clinton will NOT ever recover with the AA Community ...

He continues to play that good ole Atwater "Southern Strategy" but within the same day ACCUSES the Obama Camp of "revers discrimination." Big Dawg needs a MUZZLE! :crazy:

Both Clintons have been spoiled by power and privilege ... they BELIEVE (delusion) that they OWN The Democratic Party.

[SoCalDem]

57. It's a republican (Rove) tactic. Blame your opponent for stuff YOU are doing

makes them try to prove a negative....and if they call YOU on being the one who's actually DOING whatever it is you accuse them of, you just holler NEGATIVE ATTACK...wave papers wilding in the air and yell "shame on you!"

[groovytang]

58. I don't understand it either.

[NashVegas]

59. Here's One Example

Q: You said recently, "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when Pres. Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act. It took a president to get it done." Critics claim you're saying Martin Luther King's speeches were a nice sentiment, but it took a white president to get blacks to the mountaintop.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

Try a Google search on "it took a white president" and you see several essays come up from people who decided that was what HC was really saying. One of those essays is on BO's official website, in the "African American" section.

[RBInMaine]

62. Because all they know how to do is SPIN and LIE !

[ginchinchili]

63. It first happened when he accused Bill Clinton of playing the race card...

when he said the same thing Obama has said repeatedly, that this is an historic race with a woman, an African American, and, as he said in one debate, then there's John (John Edwards), i.e., the white guy. Yes, Obama flaunts the race card.

[AZBlue]

70. It's typical Rovian tactic - accuse your opponent first of exactly what you're doing in hopes that

the distraction will help you get away with it.

[JoFerret]

81. Read this (it will take a while)

but it is worth the work.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5692877#5700033

[dailykoff]

82. That's not writing, that's typing.

With a tip o' the hat to Truman Capote. ;)

[JoFerret]

90. Close your ears and eyes

but then don't ask "why"?

[MethuenProgressive]

89. Reading that will make Obama followers tear up their membership cards.

If they make it to the end they'll need to here and donate:

www.hillaryclinton.com

[MethuenProgressive]

88. Obama apologizes for memo plot to play race card, tells staff to never do it again. Link:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7944.html

Obama took responsibility for the memo for the first time during Tuesday's debate in Las Vegas.

Asked by moderator Tim Russert whether, in hindsight, he regretted “pushing this story,” Obama said, “Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we're setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.”

[scheming daemons]

92. It's Rovian Projection... i.e.. accuse your opponent of the things YOU are doing.....

...

[stillcool]

93. Republican tricks...

blame the Democrats for what the Republicans are doing.