CNN: The week that Clinton came back

[Omaha Steve]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/24/mann.clinton/

By Jonathan Mann

(CNN) -- Hillary is back. Until now, Hillary Clinton's campaign had one consistent quality -- it kept coming up short.


Hillary Clinton has said that she has the best chance of beating John McCain in the White House race

As the Democratic primaries have moved from state to state, she's been short of victories (Barack Obama won 30 primaries and caucuses; she won 18); short of delegates (he has more than 1,700 of the 2,025 needed; she's more than a hundred behind); and short of money (he had more than $40 million on hand; she was roughly $1 million in debt).

The biggest question about her campaign was when it would finally succumb to being so second-place.

This week that changed. She won the Pennsylvania primary by 10 percentage points, a margin that convinced contributors to flood her Internet site with $10 million.

The win and the windfall don't change the race. She is still behind in every way that matters. But the race has changed anyway.

In the six-week build-up to the Pennsylvania primary, Obama's well-run campaign lost some of its luster.

FULL story at link.

[thereismore]

1. Uhm. Because one victory changes the 30-16 statistics. Yeah, right. nt

[book_worm]

2. 30-15.

[bowens43]

3. except she didn't.

a nine win when she was up by over twenty is not 'coming back'.

she's done, get the fork.

[book_worm]

4. Yep she won PA by 9 when she was 24 points ahead six weeks ago

and nets 7-9 delegates. Obama will more than make up for that with his win in North Carolina in 10 days.

[redqueen]

11. Shhhhhhh! You're messin up the SPIN!

:P

[cliffordu]

5. If the press don't keep the story churning like a set of playoff games

they need to go report real news.

More cost effective to post regurgitated press releases from each campaign and what the Bloggers have to say...

[MattBaggins]

31. They are

MSNBC already started with the shark attack stories. Summer is officially here.

[lisa58]

6. 12 more days until the new story

[Barack_America]

7. Note to CNN: It's over. We're not buying it any more.

Find a new product to sell.

[Barack_America]

15. Time to hide this thread.

I'm not discussing this anymore.

[woolldog]

8. dumb article

:puke:

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. She didn't win by 10% points

No wonder CNN is getting sued for $1.5 billion.

[SeaLyons]

10. She's on her way....

up, up and away....all the way to the White House!!

Go Hillary!!

[lisa58]

13. she's on her way home...

...but she has so many, which will it be?

[jenmito]

16. She's on her way out of the race. She only won one of her "home states" by 9 points. That was her

best shot to win big. She failed.

[SeaLyons]

24. The 100,000 new donors

contributing $10M in 24 hours and the 13M+ voters disagree with you. Obama is failing. He lost PA. He lost OH, etc.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

26. IF she did actually take in the $10mill

they were PROJECTING - its just enough to pay off her debts to date

[Seabiscuit]

61. Make that $10,002,300.00.

I just made my first donation.

Just to fuck with you Obamanoids.

Oh, yeah... and for the good of the party and the country.

[DUyellow]

27. Lets be honest here. Obama closed the deal when he tied Super Tuesday and won 11 out of 11 in Feb..

It has been over for a long time. The media's reporting of this race reminds me why the people were so fooled in to this Iraq war.

[SeaLyons]

36. Read carefully,,,,,

It's NOT OVER!!! No deals were closed!!

[jenmito]

43. Read carefully...

It IS over. Her only chance to even catch up to him was to win 65% of the vote in every remaining state. She FAILED!

[SeaLyons]

45. Ok, you keep on believing that...

[jenmito]

47. I don't HAVE to "believe" that. It's the truth. The sooner you and Hillary realize it, the better

it will be for our party. The SDs aren't buying her spin that she has the lead in the popular vote, which is probably why Obama has picked up 3 SDs since his "huge loss" in PA!

[SeaLyons]

49. We'll shall see...

you'll just have to sit back and wait.

[jenmito]

53. Yup. And I'd MUCH rather be Obama than Hillary right now. "The tide is turning" because

she won one of her "home states" by 9 points when she was once leading by 30?!

[DUyellow]

57. put money on it.

[DUyellow]

58. i have been hearing that for months now.

[SoonerPride]

50. It's called math. They think 2 + 2 = 75

Hillary supporters are too stubborn to admit the fucking number don't lie.

They are just numbers.

The numbers say Hillary is finished.

[jenmito]

56. Yup. Sad, isn't it?!

The biggest state they won was the state of Denial! (I saw that on The Colbert Report.)

[2rth2pwr]

66. It's not over. Obama is continuing to campaign against Hillary, you can smell the fear.

[jenmito]

68. It IS over which is why she's twisting herself into a pretzel and her argument STILL doesn't wash

that she's leading in the popular vote. :rofl:

[GoesTo11]

71. Why can't Obama close the deal?

[Gore1FL]

72. The real question is

Why can't Mrs Inevitable close the deal?

[jenmito]

41. I don't believe for a second that she got that much money by those many donors in 24 hours. They

gave conflicting reports on those numbers. And no matter what, she CAN'T catch up. That's why she's trying to use Rovian math to say she has the lead in the popular vote. That's because her only possible argument is that she's winning the popular vote which is totally illogical. She counted FL and MI (giving him NO votes in MI) while NOT counting any caucus states! Face it-it's over!

[cali]

18. just out of curiosity, do you understand how unlikely it is she'll

win the nomination? Do you understand why it's so unlikely?

[woolldog]

29. this is the problem with her continuing on like this, cali

her supporters actually think it's possible for her to win, so when she doesn't they will be angry and bitter and have their hopes dashed and it will take the party longer to heal. This is why the game she's playing is so dangerous.

Plus remember most of her supporters are "low information" voters. They don't realize she has no chance.

[Egnever]

12. The effort from the media to try to portray this thing as winnable for clinton

boggles the mind.

[City Lights]

14. She's not back and screw CNN for pretending she is.

The media has been keeping her afloat far too long as it is. They're propping her up to keep the race going for their own benefit: ratings and advertising dollars.

[backscatter712]

17. That's CNN for you...

The Conservative Clinton News Network.

How much do you want to bet they become the McCain News Network after the primaries are settled?

[damntexdem]

I don't know about $10m, but the bad penny is back.

As the MSM will be happy to announce, no matter what the truth of the matter.

[Schema Thing]

19. IOW, she still can't win, but she succeeded in fucking it up for Dems 2008

What a patriot.

[Seabiscuit]

60. Obama still can't win and has already fucked up the party by creating Obamanoids

whose behavior couldn't be more freepish.

What a patriot.

[Schema Thing]

62. There is not one whit of evidence that Obama can't win though

so your post is just.fucking.silly.

[rodeodance]

20. That is a very lovely photo in the OP.

[SoCalDem]

21. My sig pic tells the story..

:grr:

who believes this crap?? She squandered a 20+ point lead, and ended up with a handful of delegates..and I don't buy the $10M story for a MINUTE..(unless Bill wrote her a check)

[PVnRT]

28. Methinks the media wants a "comeback" story to boost ratings

So, now, they're spinning however they can to create one out of the aether.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

22. that's untrue

Hillary never went away, she won't go away.

Obama is leading nationally and has the best chance at beating McCain

She is having trouble with debts and tired supporters

She is behind in delegates and Obama is getting more and more key supers endorsing him (elton john doesn't count!)

she fell short with a point win in PA she needed at least 20

[rodeodance]

23. REC

[SoonerPride]

25. I thought she lost. I mean, she needs to win EVERY STATE BY 20% or more just to TIE! Right?

And she only won by 9%, so she lost.

[CakeGrrl]

35. Yes, she does, and yes, she IS losing. But the media thinks we're all stupid. n/t

[SoonerPride]

40. I know,. It pisses me off.

Really

[SurfingAtWork]

30. "This week that changed. She won the Pennsylvania primary by 10 percentage points,"

Thats where I stoped reading.

[Seabiscuit]

63. Not good enough. You should have "stoped" posting.

[kmsarvis]

32. THE WEEK THAT CLINTON DELAYED THE INEVITABLE !!

[Life Long Dem]

33. Came back in the eyes of who? CNN, MSM?

Came back to what? As far as I can tell she didn't take over the lead. What a bunch of propaganda. :thumbsdown:

[PATRICK]

34. Distracts from the actual fact

and a big one at that. Hillary has not caved nor has her base of support deserted her. This means she stalks into the convention with unplanned for rival support that can dictate terms to the nominee. This itself is quite a feat and something that has won out over her weaknesses and the simple fact she is losing and not judged overall as the best candidate.

I know the silly horse race talk is getting more absurd by the furlong but who ever heard a track announcer reduce volume when in fact the race was over? The real continuing impact of Hillary is not on her chances of "winning" which are practically nil and rendered moreso in frustrating fashion according to the degree of strength she exerts to improve them. Nor is it especially on the meme damage as the GOP attack dog precursor, nor entirely as diividing the base for the eventual nominee.

No, it is concretely her maintenance of clout and leadership of a huge chunk of the party, the delegates and the electorate itself going as close to the Convention as possible. That maintains her as a power shot opportunist in waiting up to the final vote- the expensive long shot. It also maintains(and why she is getting funding and mum super delegates) the power of her beleaguered leadership faction and all who back them.

What must be frustrating for the less "in" crowd- who are destined to win the nomination- is that all the fixes and strategies, rationale and- everything- have been turned on their head to baldly enable her to accomplish this feat. It is certainly weird in a way to see the centrist party regulars turn themselves inside out, even jumping ship(with their usual super caution) in this struggle for relevance. Which, unfortunately, they may have won although it teeters on how much swill the electorate in general can stomach in going along with this power fight, distracted and hampered as they are by the
corporate hostile MSM. What prevents even the most wonkish and dedicated of DUers of getting reality in focus is being lost and engulfed in the persistent "horse race" fury. What Hillary achieves amidst the desire of the GOP to mangle Dems and Obama people to move on to the fall campaign is winning leadership and survival of her base and overall goals. Unlike past primaries where the defeated have been washed away into a charm campaign for the Veepship and getting campaign debts paid off, Hillary is maintaining her status as "co-president". Even brokered conventions have rarely had a "loser" as formidable to contend with.

If so, and she WANTS the VP spot, our nomination risks not the division of our party, but the whole story, acknowledged or not, being about her and those she represents at the top. I think Pelosi in trying to oppose her as Veep is weakly(as usual) trying to head that off. What is obvious is that the presumption that once she concedes all is going to settle in and be nice according to the overall "plan" is being alarmingly naive. The clear signal has been given that those rules will not apply and continued holding and acquiring of delegates close to 50% will be played for all that it is worth in itself, "losing" be damned.

[4_Legs_Good]

37. I think they meant when she won New Hampshire

Cuz that's the only comback she's had.

David

[SoonerPride]

39. And that was a tie.

They play it off as if she had some huge victory in New Hampshire, but delegates were split. 9 to 9.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NH

[4_Legs_Good]

70. Yup, yup, and it was only 3 points, IIRC

But she got to play it off as a "comeback", and it worked to a degree.

David

[Lord Helmet]

38. back from where, the dead? she's still dead just doesn't know it

[biggerfishsmallpond]

42. but she can't win!

???????????? mass confusion pervades

[RBInMaine]

44. CNN = Clinton News Network - Corporate Media Spin

[grannylib]

46. Came back to WHAT?? It wasn't a ten point win, first of all, and will

probably dwindle more when all is said and done (not that the MSM will report that, just as they largely ignored the fact that Obama won Texas in the end) and a few weeks ago she was up by more than 20 points.
Second, if the only chance she has to win the nomination still rests on scabbing pledged delegates from Obama, then nothing has changed. So again, back to WHAT?

[Buzz Clik]

48. Another "come back" for Hillary? She led by 20, won by 9. What a performance!

[BlueIdaho]

51. They shoot horses don't they?

Media as stakeholder.

When the media become a stakeholder they follow their own self interest. Lets face it, they are most interested in selling advertising space & time - that's where their revenues come from. If you have developed a bunch of programming around this marathon dance contest, the last thing in the world you want to see is the dancers leave the floor and your ratings go down. The news media will do and say what they must to keep Obama and Clinon dancing as long as possible. When this happens, the media moves from reporting the news to creating the news. Tweety, David Gregory, Abrams, Maddow, Buchanan, and even KO know what William Randolph Hearst knew - politics can be a very lucrative - even if it is in the worst interests of democrats and America at large.

[truebrit71]

52. If you have any doubt about the Pravda levels that this Fixed Noizze wannabe will stoop to..

...you have to go no further than this complete revision of recent history, to wit; a) "She won the Pennsylvania primary by 10 percentage points" - that would be great except she didn't, 9.2% doesn't round up to 10 points, b) "she was roughly $1 million in debt" - more of that fuzzy math again - released numbers she the CORRECT number to be TEN TIMES higher than that which CNN states and c) "In the six-week build-up to the Pennsylvania primary, Obama's well-run campaign lost some of its luster" - Really? Cutting a 25 point lead down to a single digit win means the campaign is "losing its' luster"? Hmmm, not so much....

I knew the sucked..and were unabashed in their Clinton favouritism, but this one takes the biscuit...

[OzarkDem]

54. The week the Democratic Party came back

Obama's campaign rejects the Democratic Party and everything it stands for. That may be great if you're running as an Independent or GOP-lite, but this is the Democratic Primary.

[Cha]

55. "hilary has said she has the best chance to beat mccain"..

hilary also said she was under "sniper fire in Bosnia" and she was
named after Sir Edmund Hillary"..the list goes on and on..

This is just another fantasy of hilary clinton.

RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 11:17 AM
Original message
SlickHilly's long list of lies, spins, and morphs.
1) "I support the DNC rules." ------- "Florida and Michigan should be seated as is."

2) "It doesn't matter if my name is on the MI ballot, MI doesn't count." ----- "MI counts and
others could have been on the ballot had they wanted."

3) "I lose caucus states because MoveOn and activists take them over and intimidate my voters."

4) "You don't get change by hoping or fighting for it, you get it by working for it." ------
"We need a fighter in the White House and I'm your fighter."

5)"I am honored to be here with Barack Obama." ----- "Shame on you Barack Obama."

6) "Barack Obama can't win the GE." ----- "Yes yes yes, he can win (but I'm better)".

7) "We took sniper fire when we landed in Bosnia."

8) "Obama won SC because there are many AA's there."

9) "My PA victory was overwhelming." (Though she was SUPPOSED to win and WAS ahead by 20 a few weeks ago and won by only 9.)

10) "If we had the Republican system, I would be the nominee."

11) "John McCain and I are experienced, Obama isn't."

12) "I want a Middle East security umbrella and will nuke Iran if they attack Israel or those under my umbrella." (So much for a new foreign policy approach because I gotta look TOUGH and get the Jewish vote.)

13) "I helped broker a peace deal in Northern Ireland."

14) "PACS and lobbyists are real citizens."

15) "I have lots of experience in the White House, but didn't know my husband pardoned Weathermen or invited Rev. Wright when he was repenting over Monica."

16) "Obama should disown his former pastor on principle, but I won't disown my husband for cheating on me MULTIPLE times."

17) "I'm the fighter for the people who takes PAC $, lobbyist $, worked for WalMart, worked for the corporate Rose Law Firm, and was close to convict Norman Hsu."

18) "I was cool to NAFTA then for it for YEARS and am now cool to it again."

19) "I am against the Iraq war but voted for it and won't say that vote was an error."

20) "I am a lifelong Yankee fan and my daughter was jogging around the twin towers on 9/11 so I was a very concerned mother that day."

21) "Obama is afraid to debate me." (even though we have debated 21 times)

22) "No, my husband wasn't having kinky encounters with Monica. It is a vast right wing conspiracy !!"

[KaptBunnyPants]

59. Embarassing for CNN.

Even more embarrassing for CNN's viewers that they apparently view you as too stupid to understand that the race ended months ago.

[Eurobabe]

64. Memo to CNN: There is NO WAY SHE CAN WIN!

Get your lazy asses over to MSNBC and watch this video from Chuck Todd.

It's a mathematical IMPOSSIBILITY!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwd88C25J-0

[DearAbby]

65. Here at this point

in the movie Weekend at Bernie's The second movie, the music starts and the corpse of Hillary's campaign begins to move...Ass pops up first and jiggles around, then the rest of it rises up...


When will it end?

[smiley_glad_hands]

67. CNN just wants more of Obama's money. eom

[RiverStone]

69. To quote the OP:

She is still behind in every way that matters.

Exactly.

Congrats to Hillary supporters for your win in PA, party while you can because the Obama ship will not sink, will not stop, and will be docked in the Port of the Nomination soon after May 6th.