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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:51 PM
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Everybody Ready for Hillary to Win Guam, North Carolina, and Indiana and Retake this race???
I AM! That's right. Hillary will win Guam and Indiana and she is going to squeak by in North Carolina. The latest SUSA poll shows her down only 9 before her PA bump. That state is taylor made for Obama but people are starting to have their doubts and if he cannot win there, where can he win? Obama will lose the white vote big there, Hillary will eat a little into his black vote, and she will win there and change the face of this race. I wouldnt be surprised if Hillary ran the table and eventually took the lead in popular vote in Puerto Rico.

Go Hillary, and On to the Nomination!


YES WE WILL

YES WE WILL

YES WE WILL!


Hillary 08'!
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:53 PM
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1. probably correct, except for NC
If she wins there, it'd be the upset of the centure - most "experts" give her only a 5 percent chance to win there.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:58 PM
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215. she's also down in Indiana...
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:54 PM
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2. In the Event That Clinton Wins All Those States
I still don't see how she can retake this race.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:54 PM
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3. Is she gonna get 70% of each?
Doubt it, but that's what she needs. Can you tell me how this shapes up? I mean, can you explain the course of events that lead to Hillary winning the nomination. I've asked others to no avail. Can you spell it out for me?
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:54 PM
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7. Its about Popular vote, and she will overtake Obama in that Metric
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:56 PM
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13. But that doesn't give her the nomination, that's only spin, how does she win
the nomination? Exactly. spell it out for me.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:58 PM
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19. The Uncommitted Superdelegates will come out for her big time if she wins the popular vote
They see that Obama is becoming more and more unelectable.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:05 PM
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So they are going to overturn the delagate count, and give it to Hillary?
do you think that is wise? that's a tad bit scary, to say the least.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:12 PM
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65. Explain the "fair" part. I think you mean popular vote "fair" right?
How do you account for Florida and Michigan? and caucuses, fairly. I appreciate your candor. It's helping me to understand the Hillary campaign logic. I just want to make a decision with as much fact as I can gather. Thanks.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:14 PM
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70. What's fair? Sorry - she's already proven herself unelectable.
We can't afford a general election with a candidate who might, if we are lucky, manage to win half a dozen states in New England - and lose miserably everywhere else. She has no effective campaign organizion, has difficulty raising funds and support, and you think it is "fair" to appoint her the candidate even though she squandered having ALL of the advantages at the beginning of the campaign season. She messed her own campaign up here.

We want a Democratic president - she can't deliver. She couldn't deliver by Super Tuesday, which she promised. She still can't deliver.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:18 PM
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83. She wins in OH, PA, and FL in the GE...Obama is lucky to carry any of those.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:38 PM
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121. You didn't answer me above and I'm very interested in the logic.
How are you accounting for Michigan? And Florida? And Caucuses in your "popular vote" argument? Please help me to understand. I am giving you an opportunity to make your case.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:57 PM
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130. Most Caucuses are already accounted for.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:13 PM
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140. How are the causcuses accounted for? And what's your take on
Florida and Michigan? I would really like to know if your case is legit. I welcome your input, it might help me see that you have a reasonable argument. I need more info though.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:41 PM
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159. I will say, the crazy person does have one point
Most caucuses are in the popular vote already. There are about four or five that havent put out numbers yet, but estimates have Obama gaining 100,000 votes
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:48 PM
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162. Thanks for the info. I am wondering what, exactly
they want out of Florida and Michigan. I will give them Florida as is, even though it isn't what I'd call "fair" by any stretch of the imagination. As for Michigan, do they really expect us to sit still and have Obama get ZERO votes? They aren't really saying that are they? He wasn't on the ballot, do they seriously want to give 100% to Hillary?

None of them seems to want to tell me how they want this to play out. I fear that they are embarrassed to admit that they want something that is completely ridiculous and unfair.

do you know what they want to do about Michigan?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:35 PM
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192. based on the HRC campaign's claim that they lead in popular votes, they want to give Obama zero
in Michigan and claim 328,000 votes for HRC.

Even they can't possibly believe that any such thing would/could happen. There isn't any legitimate argument for doing so and no superdelegate would be fooled into thinking that a popular vote count -- to the extent they were going to be influenced by that metric -- that assumed no popular support in Michigan for Obama is reflective of the real world. Its put out there as spin for the HRC campaign that desparately needs positive stories since the basic message in the media after the "big win" in PA has been that it was enough to keep the race going, but not enough to change the fact that she's got an essentially insurmountable hill to climb.

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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:57 PM
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166. What is your reasoning there?
She won them (slightly) in the primary.....who says that the Dem can't carry them in Nov.?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:04 PM
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187. For one thing, neither of them are taking Florida.
There hasn't been an honest election there in the past 8 years - they're not about to start now.

And taking PA is going to be real difficult without the Phili vote - which she won't carry if the supers overturn the delegate lead to give her the nom.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:49 PM
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194. I don't think so.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:00 PM
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199. "Obama is lucky to carry any of those."
False.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:40 PM
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158. Sadly, its all over Capital Hill
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:11 PM
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169. Capitol Hill, An excellent site, I recommend it highly
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:17 PM
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173. it has no business here at DU by DU'ers, we have a freeper invasion
folks should order pizzas for these jerks.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:47 PM
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181. How is overriding the pledged delegate system fair, exactly? Are they really willing..............
to disenfranchise that many voters?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:48 PM
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183. self delete = dupe
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 07:48 PM by Exilednight
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:20 AM
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208. Thanks, for signing up and sharing that message with us, newb.
How did you find this board?

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:58 PM
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18. No, it's always been about delegate count...
...despite the fact that Hillary is changing the rules in the fourth quarter--because she
can't surpass Obama in delegate count.

That's like a football coach deciding that points scored doesn't determine the winner--it's how
many fans showed up for each team.

You people. It's pathetic enough that Hillary throws out this dung, but when you parrot her idiocy,
it really makes me weep for the future.

I guess in Hillary's world, the race for stupidity has no finish line.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:59 PM
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22. Popular vote represents the wiill of the people.
Isnt that what we all said in the 2000 election? Things change?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:03 PM
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33. Bullshit.
The rules have NEVER been one-person-one-vote NOR have they weighed primaries above caucuses. NEVER.

It's as BATSHIT INSANE as claiming a win in football based on yards gained.

It's spin for morons and idiots.

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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM
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37. Please do not Curse...It is unbecoming
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:06 PM
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51. He's got a point
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:46 PM
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128. You know what else is "unbecoming?"
A presidential contender acting like a spoiled 5 year old who insists she's won despite losing according to the rules of the game she agreed to and understood by everyone else playing. THAT is much more unbecoming in a person who seeks to be President of a nation with thousands of nuclear weapons a population of over 300 million and a politics based, at least in theory, on mature consensus building and working with others of different persuasions.

In terms of who I'd rather deal with - I will take a strait shooting foul mouthed longshoreman or trucker any day of the week over a prim and proper prima donna executive cheater any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:05 PM
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133. Typical patronizing, condescending, nanny-statist horse shit.
FWIW, "shit" isn't CURSING ... "damn" is cursing ... "shit" is scatological and vulgar. If you want to be pretentious about language, the fucking LEARN something.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:03 PM
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201. Popular vote
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:05 PM by PseudoIntellect
does not exist if there are both caucuses and primaries in an election.

It is only valid if the primaries are all caucuses or all primaries. But there are both...

Gee, wouldn't it be great if we had a system that balanced proportionally the caucuses and primaries so that we had an accurate measure of the will of the people based on state populations?

Oh, wait! We have pledged delegates!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:04 AM
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236. Fuck that fucking shit.
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 05:04 AM by impeachdubya
Oh, sorry.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:05 PM
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45. I don't give a rat's ass if the popular vote...
...represents the number of ping-pong balls falling from the sky.

The popular vote doesn't not determine our winner.

Shut off CNN, and come down from the Hillary spin-high that is rotting your brain.

The candidate with the most delegates will win this race, and the Supers will go with that candidate.

Popular vote is a number. It's not used to factor the winner.

Crikey! I'm about ready to lose my mind with this bullshit. What's next? "Oh! Oh! Hillary
wins because she can finish a Rubik's Cube first!"

I need a drink...and some crack...and a gallon of liquid valium.

Please, let the insanity end. I can't take this level of dumb.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:10 PM
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60. You sound like Shrub back in 2000
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:20 PM
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90. ...and you sound like a lemming....
following Hillary over the cliff with her shameful, ridiculous spin.

If her talking point of the day was that she wins because her pantsuits
are more exciting than Obama's ties--you'd be hear arguing how glorious
her clothes are and why it's unAmerican to discriminate against a candidate
who has the courage to wear pantsuits.

You are unbelievable.

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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #60
177. point me to Al Gore's quote
Where he says since he got the most votes he should therefore be the President. forgetting about Florida.

He knows electoral votes win you the Presidency. We know delegates win you the nomination.

Al Gore is a grownup.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #60
185. and YOU sound like a complete disruptor, so mission accomplished
what's next from Operation Chaos?
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:34 PM
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150. 'I need a drink...and some crack...and a gallon of liquid valium.' Easier yet -
- just stay off the Kool-Aid. Things will become much clearer and saner once you do that.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:39 PM
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155. Wow, you guys have completely gone off...
...the deep end.

You're arguing that we change the rules for Hillary. Rules that have been in place
for decades.

And you accuse me of drinking the Kool-Aid?

I'm losing my faith in humanity.

That's fine, if you want to play these games. If you want to suddenly decide that our
elections should be based on new metrics that serve to prop up the candidate who is
trailing.

But at least have a debate...admit that's what you're doing and defend it--instead of
throwing out childish "Kool-Aid" comments.

I'm not the one spinning and inventing new rules during the forth quarter.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:10 PM
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59. Sez you. It can also disenfranchise people.
Why is it that every state gets 2 US Senators hwen some states are so much bigger than others? Because the individual states are important in their own right, and the state/federal balance is a fundamental aspect of our body politic.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:15 PM
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74. That was a GE, not a primary
The sole purpose of a primary is to elect delegates, as is specified in the rules.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:36 PM
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119. If the Nomination process was predicated on "popular vote" the you would be correct.
IT ISN'T. This is just one more way in which Hillary shows her sense of entitlement. "If none of the actual criteria set out BEFORE the process started favor me - I want you to look at this new thing that I MIGHT 'win,' regardless of the fact that a large price is paid by the states that used caucuses, and the FACT that my opponents name wasn't even on the ballot on one state." But it's "fair" because I say it's fair.

And BTW, speaking for my self in 2000 I wasn't mad because Al Gore won more votes than Bush nation wide yet Bush ended up with in the Oval office. I was angry because Florida's electoral votes were awarded based on an incomplete count. Had there been a legitimate count and Bush won Florida fair and square, those electoral college votes would have rightly been his as well as the Oval office despite the fact that Al Gore would still have won more votes nation wide. Know why I would have been able to accept defeat? Because it would have be legitimate according to the rules that were laid out going in!

It's called being an adult and having some integrity and grace. You and Hillary should look up those words.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:00 PM
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23. sorry, it's NOT about popular vote. It's about delegates.
Maybe you missed that rule... or you just think you can change it.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:07 PM
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54. Nonsense. That really doesn't give her anything.
Recruiting right-wing Republicans to vote for her doesn't give her any claim to the nomination.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:16 PM
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78. Delegates determine the nomination
HRC herself said this back in February. And Obama is ahead in the popular vote too.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:47 PM
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182. It's all about the popular vote?
Since when and on what planet?

Sorry, but losers don't re-write the rules.
It's all about delegates.
Alway was.
Alway IS
Always will be tomorrow.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM
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41. If a candidate can't even tell how they are going to achieve the nomination
then what makes anyone think they are an electable candidate or even a viable candidate for the Presidency? Is Clinton going to have the same answers once in the White House for the Iraq war, the economy, the global warming, or the health care system? She has shown how unorganized she is, how much of a liar she is, and where she will ship your job - thanks to Bill.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:54 PM
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4. I'm ready for the end of the race. I wish the party luck, whoever wins.
Hope you have your anti-flame suit on.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:54 PM
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5. Have you tried increasing the dosage?
:rofl:
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:54 PM
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6. doesnt she need to win by 70% in every state now to win?
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:10 PM
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61. Oh, I think she has a plan that has nothing to do with winning the delegates
and that is where the party will be torn apart. She had everything going for her when the campaign season started - the money, the endorsements, a husband to tag-team campaign, more name recognition. And high negatives that have only gone higher. We can't nominate a candidate who is incapable of reducing her negative image among the general public. She has had a chance to do that during this campaign, and failed, opting to do exactly what most Americans are sick of - dirty campaigning.
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:45 PM
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127. i think she needs about 70% of the vote-- win by about 30%. n/t
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #127
131. you are correct.. I said it badly.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:55 PM
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8. Wow, I've never actually...
...come across someone who snorts drain cleaner every day.

Nice to meet you.

You're delusional if you think she's taking NC. Indiana is tied up. I saw two IN polls
that had Obama up by FIVE, but most have Hillary with a slight lead--within the margin of error.



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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:55 PM
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9. I sure am.
And I love the SUSA has NC in the single digits.

It is going to be close.

Indiana is in the bag.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:12 PM
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63. They are ALL in denial.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:55 PM
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10. Next comes American Samoa then USVI ..then on to Puerto Rico...
AGHHHHh!!
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The_Counsel Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:20 PM
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91. Not For Nothing, But Obama Already Won The Virgin Islands Back In February... (n/t)
.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:56 PM
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11. She has to win Guam by 64% to net one delegate.
She won't win NC, and IN will be another split on delegates. She cannot retake this race, realistically. She will win KY, WV and most likely PR.

MT, SD, and OR lean to Obama.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:57 PM
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16. Montana and SD are full of those small town people that Obama disgustingly Insulted
Oregon is full of latte Liberals anyway, so I doubt they will come to their sensess.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:15 PM
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73. Obama is ahead by 12 in South Dakota...
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:16 PM
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77. I live in small town MT. We love Obama. Hillary is insulting the whole party by endorsing McCain,
Obama is going to win Montana. And you can take that to the bank.

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:32 AM
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240. How many electoral votes in Montana?
.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #16
89. he didn't insult them near as much as hilly
with her screw 'em commnent and sorry, they detest the queen out there. She's screwed. snap out of it.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #89
111. You're from Vermont, how would you know?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #111
126. gee, maybe because I've actually kept up
with the primaries and caucuses out west?
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #111
188. I'm from Oregon, where are you from? You've already called me
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 08:18 PM by neverforget
a latte liberal for living in Oregon, what "good" state do you live in? State of Denial?
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:42 PM
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124. #72 on my list
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #16
134. ahhh your one of those
small town elitists. Small town people are better than everyone else.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #16
161. insulted??? insulted??? are you kidding me??? by telling the truth???
I gotta tell ya...if people aren't bitter by now...THEN THEY AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION...!!....out of work, losing their homes, don't know how they're going to pay the bills, losing their transportation, losing loved ones in a non essential war, scandal after scandal for the last 8 years, paying 3 times what they did when * took office for a gallon of gasoline...food shortages...economy sick and failing....STOLEN ELECTIONS....what else could there be, for all of us to be bitter about...????? Insulted...INDEED!! We better be...wb
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
186. Oregon is full of latte liberals anyway? Nice elitist comment.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #16
193. Let me guess, you are part of Rush Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos"?
Call it a hunch.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #16
222. I like my coffee like I like my candidate...
BLACK

So you're another full-of-shit out-of-touch elitist who's talking out his ass.

Never even been to Oregon, I'll bet.

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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:56 PM
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12. Even if she wins the battles, she will lose the war
Older, white, woman from NY.

She is doomed either way.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:57 PM
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14. Hahahahaha
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:57 PM
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15. I don't even have it in me to give you a hard time.
I'll just say - good luck with that! :hi:
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:58 PM
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17. I'm not sure she will win Guam and Obama will win NC and it will be larger than her PA win
and I'd say that Indiana is 50-50.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:59 PM
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20. A few problems with your analysis
First, in every state thus far, Obama has gained ground as the day of the vote grew closer. Even in NH, Hillary held the lead in most of the pre-primary polls.

Second, you are cherry picking. You forgot to mention the fact that Montana, South Dakota, and Oregon are also rapidly approaching, and all three states have demographics and political cultures conducive to an Obama victory.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. They follow these other primaries. Hillary will have the Hillmentum on her side.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. Hillmentum???? HAHAHAHAHA
Is that a new drug for constipation?


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #32
109. ITS called being optimistic --not bitter
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #109
125. its called refusing to face facts
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #125
179. I cant even see the post you responded to
they are on ignore.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #179
191. You should take them off ignore. They're very entertaining
in a homer simpson "d'oh" sort of way.

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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #32
212. Similar to Joementum...
...but with 50% more FAIL.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #32
213. Hillmentum..!
Hillmentum

:rofl:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #26
64. Right...how well we remember your sharp analysis of earlier contests...
Oh wait, it;s just your second week. You gotta earn credibility before you can spend it. Like Hillary's campaign, you're already bankrupt.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. I predicted she would win PA by Double digits, and that is EXACTLY what she did.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. HAHAHAHAHA 9% is NOT double digits.
sorry.


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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. CNN says she won 55--45...and you say we don't understand math.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #75
86. Oooookkkkkk....
So CNN has better data than the commonwealth of PA....riiiiiiiiight. :sarcasm:
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:21 PM
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92. CNN's data rounds properly. You round up when its .5 and above and down when below
Hillary has 54.6, so you round up and Obama has 45.4, so you round down.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #92
108. OK, except for the fact that in the real world
Only even numbers dont count when it comes to spreads. When you actually DO the math it's 9 points. 9.2 to be exact.


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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #92
174. so its really 60 to 50
round 55 up to 60, round 45 up to 60.

And that means...its really 100 to 100: round 60 to 100 and 50 to 100!!

Its a tie!! Thank god for rounding.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #174
180. Hahahahahaha!
Nice work!
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #75
97. Whatever CNN says is the truth!
Except if Fox says different.

Take a look http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us /
Clinton - 54.6
Obama - 45.4

And then tell me if you'd say that the place the decimal counts as a digit.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #75
160. liar she didn't
when this is over please don't jump off a bridge cnn now says 9.3
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:22 AM
Response to Reply #75
209. the PA Secretary of State website says otherwise
but I can see how you would prefer what the mainstream media has decided to report.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #68
151. Unless you mean she won by 09.2%....
Wait that's TRIPLE DIGITS!! You're right she is inevitable!
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
85. Is that something like...
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 04:18 PM by Oreo
JOEmentum?

Cause we all know how well that worked out
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #85
154. You beat me to it...
But hey maybe if she has Hillmentum she can pull a three way tie for third place in North Carolina.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
189. "Hillmentum".....oh brother!
Talk about the kiss of death to a campaign!

Oh well, her and ole holy Joe are starting to look more alike every day.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #26
214. Hillmentum..??
:rofl:

You don't get out much, do you.
Try a new hobby, or join a club or something.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:03 AM
Response to Reply #26
235. "Hillmentum"? Odd. You sound like someone.. can't quite place it..
it's like, some kind of weird deja vu.


...

You sure you only got here this month? :shrug:
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:59 PM
Response to Original message
21. on to Mexico, and Canada, and Luxemborg, and Bosnia...
wait, no not bosnia...they shot at me there...wait no they didnt...crap
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Guam and Puerto Rico have a say...why do you want to change the rules in the middle of the game?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:02 PM
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29. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES CHANGING THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME
The rules say delegates count, now you say popular vote counts

The rules state MI and FL dont count...but now they do count...


oh shush already!



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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:03 PM
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34. I'm talking about Superdelegates. They should look at the popular vote, and not the pledged numbers
Thats the most fair way to get a read on the will of the peopple.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. In a race based on pledge numbers, they shouldn't look at the pledge numbers.
WTF?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #34
47. And looking at the vote in proper context...
without the tainted results of FL and MI

and INCLUDING the hundreds of thousands that came out to caucus and the superdelegates will see this clearly.


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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #34
62. Problem is...
that a majority of the superdelegates remaining are DNC members.

And like Clinton did... they chose to take away Michigan and Florida's votes. Only difference is that unlike Hillary, they're going to stand by the decision and the popular vote won't be counted in MI/FL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmUVr_Qt2Wg
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:01 PM
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25. That will be the day she wins NC
She may win Indiana, but I doubt it. Her best shot was a blowout in PA and she came up short of that. We'll see how she does, but retaking the race is about impossible.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:01 PM
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27. YOUR INSANE YOUR INSANE YOUR INSANE
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #27
94. And You Are RUDE
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #27
153. Could you add punctuation or correct spelling, or finish the phrase, 'Your insane ____(noun, pls?)'
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:02 PM
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28. Is everyone ready for none of that to matter? I know I am
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:02 PM
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30. She'll NEVER get Guam!
They don't call it Oguama fer nothin'.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM
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43. As Guam goes, so goes the nation. My sources in Guam say
nah, I don't have any sources in Guam. Frankly, I don't even know where it is other than in an ocean.
Sorry Guamites, but the OP about taking Guam and turning it around was a bit much.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:02 PM
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31. You need to share whatever you're smoking with the rest of the class.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM
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42. Its called the truth.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #42
66. Chuck Todd: "It is now impossible for Obama to lose his lead."
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 04:15 PM by AtomicKitten
edited for link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwd88C25J-0

The math is the truth, and you are simply spinning your wheels.

Spin away. :hi:
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #66
79. Not true, because Pledged delegates can switch
I have spoken to at least one that is uneasy about Obama and is thinking about switching. I'm sure there are others.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. keep praying for that coup d'etat that will never happen
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:28 PM
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113. Care to share their name?
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #79
142. Sure you have
Could you give us a link so we verify your claim?
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:03 PM
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35. Agreed on NC, inasmuch as if he only wins by 9 it'll be very similar to HRC's 9 pt win in PA
Both states are kinda taylor made for the candidate. Obama never had a chance to win in PA and Clinton doesn't have a prayer in NC. If she can keep him under double digits, it'll be a victory for her, just like it was a victory for him keeping her under double digits in Pennsylvania.

Fun fun fun!

David
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:58 AM
Response to Reply #35
205. the only victory for her is if she wins at 65% for each and every contest ahead
and that cannot happen.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:03 PM
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36. NC would be the toughest task...
Considering that 22% of registered voters are black voters and Obama has been getting over 90% of the black vote in most of the races. Hillary would have to get 65-70% of the white vote to win. Considering that NC has more Rush Limbaugh listeners than PA (just a hunch :-)), like SC, there are more people that do not care for Hillary in the South, and this would make it very difficult for her...
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM
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38. "if he cannot win there, where can he win? "
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 04:05 PM by gcomeau
Ummm...

Iowa
South Carolina
Alabama
Alaska
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Idaho
Illinois
Kansas
Minnesota
Missouri
North Dakota
Utah
Louisiana
Nebraska
Washington
Maine
D.C.
Maryland
Virginia
Hawaii
Wisconsin
Vermont
U.S. Virgin Islands
Wyoming
Mississippi.

There you go. Glad to be of service. (NC will be added to that list by the way)
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM
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39. A simple "I think you are wrong"
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM by bigwillq
"and here's why....." is all that's needed to respond to this thread.

**You*** don't need to respond as viciously as some have, including one who said something about snorting drain cleaner, on this thread. That's just sick.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM
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40.  .

You my friend are crazy
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Lannigan Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:05 PM
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44. Kick to Wes
for his enthusiasm & putting himself out there!

Glad you're on Hill's side.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:16 PM
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144. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:06 PM
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48. She'll win Guam and Indiana, but that still leaves her way way way behind.
Especially because she wants to argue that she wins the states that matter and Indiana just might be the reddest state in the union and Guam can't vote in the GE.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:06 AM
Response to Reply #48
231. West Virginia will be an example of a state she flips and perhaps Kentucky
The latest KY poll has her down only 2 points, within the margin of error, of McSame in Kentucky.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:06 PM
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49. GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. That sign is right...She is the SMART CHOICE
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. I agree!
Welcome to D.U. :toast:
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:14 PM
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69. She's the SMART CHOICE for people that don't understand math, you mean.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. More people have voted for Hillary than Anybody else in the Primaries. So what are you saying?
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:24 PM
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101. Can you lay out those numbers for me?
That LIE doesn't include the caucus states.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #72
110. no
more people have voted for Obama so far in the primaries, he still leads in the popular vote.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #72
116. Yes if you include the vote in Michigan where OBAMA wasnt on the ballot...
Stop with the lies.


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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:59 AM
Response to Reply #69
206. she's the beneficiary of "No Child Left Behind"
but how did the idiocy impact so many "talking heads" on tee vee?

Oh, thats right, they know the truth, but it doesn't pay as well as
milking this golden goose for as long as they can.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #49
107. YES, --GREAT SIGN: HILLARY, THE SMART CHOICE.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:06 PM
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50. I think the time for Hillary to do her "yes we will" was sometime
back before Super Tuesday. . .she said so herself. Now why didn't she close the deal on schedule? Could it be that her negatives, even among Democrats, are so high that she cannot win a simple majority of elected delegates?

Her failure to reduce her negatives during the campaign is what has done her in. . .
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:07 PM
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53. it wont matter
get over it.


i only feel bad for the people who keep giving her money.

that could be used on the general election, not to back her already failed race.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:08 PM
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56. I thought it was yes SHE will!?!?!
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:08 PM
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57. You forgot Poland. n/t
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:13 PM
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67. She will not win North Carolina, and Indiana could go to Obama.
Let's not shit ourselves.
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cjsmom44 Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:16 PM
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76. RE: OH REALLY
LIKE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ?

OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON THIS THING....

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:17 PM
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80. No you won't. except in your alternate hillyworld
she doesn't stand a chance of winning NC and she won't win the popular vote. SDs have flooded to Obama in the past 3 months and starved hilly. There is no evidence in any poll that people are starting to have doubts about Obama or that hilly has any momentum coming out of PA. He got 92% of the black vote in PA and she can't possibly eat into the black vote after her campaign's race baiting.

Get a fork. hilly's done.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:20 PM
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88. If anybody has been race-baiting, its Jesse Jackson Jr intimidating black Hillary supporters
SHAME ON HIM
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:24 PM
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103. Shame on hilly and billy for their disgusting race baiting
she's done, dear.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:25 PM
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106. They have done nothing of the sorts.
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cjsmom44 Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:16 PM
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143. RE: OH PLEASE
YOU ARE TOTAL DENIAL...
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:51 PM
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226. She certainly is DONE in the AA community in NC....
and all those black SD's who have hitched their wagons to her appalling campaign will find it very difficult to go back to their districts and find the support they once had. NC is out of reach for Hillary, as I am on the ground here everyday. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Most black people I run into these days can't stand to look at any of the Clintons now. The overwhelming majority say they reflexively reach for the remote, just like when Bush comes on the teevee. Bill & Hill have trashed the goodwill they so painstakingly nurtured in the 90's. And Maya Angelou can write poems until the cows come home, it won't change a thing.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:17 PM
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81. k and r
:hi:
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:18 PM
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82. Even if she did, she wouldn't be the nominee.. its already over.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:19 PM
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87. LOL. There is no way she wins without cheating, like counting MI and Fl. eom
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:21 PM
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93. rec AND GO hILLARY
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:22 PM
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95. *snort*
:rofl:

If a candidate can't win the Guam primary, they can't win the GE.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:23 PM
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98. And the Sexist returns to shit on Guam some more.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:35 PM
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118. how is the poster making fun of guam and all 4 delegates sexist?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:01 PM
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132. NUTJOB
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:09 PM
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136. Please.... don't say "nut" or "nutjob" as though it's a Bad Thing.
That's demeaning to us nuts and the person to whom it's addressed doesn't merit the compliment.

This has been a public service post on behalf of the International Adhocracy of Fruits and Nuts, DU Chapter.

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:22 PM
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96. Welcome to DU Wes,
and I LOVE saying that, ;)

K&R
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:23 PM
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99. thanks!
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:23 PM
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100. I have never seen a more delusional post in my entire life.
For that alone, I congratulate you.

Enjoy the twenty-plus point Obama victory in North Carolina.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:25 PM
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104. If only there were a way to convert neurosis into electrity
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 04:25 PM by kenny blankenship
we'd have this Peak Oil thing licked!
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:22 PM
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148. Ain't that the truth.
This reminds me of jlake's Wisconsin thread.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:24 PM
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102. Always ready for a laugh
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:25 PM
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105. No you won't!
Even if she DID somehow get the popular vote, the nom is by delegates and she can't do it.

Because she already lost the delegate count -- the scenario would have to be WILD, like Obama gets under 15% in all the remaining races.

That's just million to one odds, seems to me....
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:28 PM
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112. I live in NC. She doesn't have a chance in hell to win here
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:30 PM
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114. She's relying on GUAM?
:rofl:
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:37 PM
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120. So much for the argument
that she only wins the states that matter. LMAO!
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:09 PM
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138. I actually feel a little sorry for Guam
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 05:10 PM by dbmk
Everyone keeps saying that NC and IN is next. If you were to believe the media its as if it doen't exist. Must be a bit downputting for them.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:40 PM
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156. Hey Guam is a big state
Up is down, left is right, war is peace, oh forget it...
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:02 PM
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168. More to the point, they have a B-52 base there
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 06:24 PM by kenny blankenship
and the best way to hold somebody hostage, which is pretty much the relationship now between Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, is to threaten to "obliterate" them.

First she takes Guam, then she burns down Denver, and then she nukes Tehran.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:30 PM
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115. ...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:39 PM
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122. Another math failure. I blame No Child Left Behind.
It's simple math, which means all but the simple can do it.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:41 PM
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123. Her PA 'bump'?
Is that like the 'bump' she got in PA from Ohio. Oh wait, she lost ground in PA after winning Ohio. Her lead shrunk.

Bumpedy bump.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:08 AM
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232. No, her lead expanded. Obama had closed to withi 4-6 in PA before OH and TX
He then fell back to 16-17 and then spent $16 million on travel and ads alone to gain a few points and then flat line for the final three weeks.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:56 PM
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129. I'm just so happy that
this race isn't about anything else but race. His black vote. Her white vote.

I guess we can all rejoice that we have enough white vote in this country to keep that... Oh wait nevermind.

Just wonderful to see this come down to how much more racial division we can play off of. Let's see if we can tweak the Wright thing and just peal a few more votes here and there. It's so refreshing to see us finally shed any vestments we once had separating us from the Republicans. It is official we now truly have the Republocrat parties.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:09 AM
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233. Race wasn't an issue until Obama divided us by race for SC
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:08 PM
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135. I think the OP is right
Given Obamas history of loosing voters once he starts campaigning in states, NC should be a lock for Hillary.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:09 PM
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137. In your dreams
:boring: :rofl:
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chitty Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:11 PM
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139. Welcome to...............
Fantasy Island



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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:14 PM
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141. Yeah... Whatever!
Dumbest thread of the day.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:17 PM
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145. Taylor Made?
Any relative of Taylor Marsh? :shrug:
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:18 PM
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146. yes. remember the old saying: As goes Guam, so goes the Nation.
I remember it like it was yesterday. The fate of the nomination hung in the balance. And then came word, Guam had gone for John Kerry. All doubt was cast aside. We had our nominee!!

Oh wait, its "As goes Maine, so goes the Nation". And, let me think, who won the Maine Caucuses?

Nevermind.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:25 PM
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149. ***HMMM...WHY DO YOU SEEM SO FAMILIAR TO ME?***
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:38 PM
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178. Ok...that was kinda funny.
And a GREAT shot of my beloved Crater Lake.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:09 AM
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237. Yeah.
My thoughts, exactly.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:36 PM
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152. NC? You're nuts.
Indiana will likely be a tie. Certainly not enough to increase her delegate count or appreciable gain in popular vote count.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:40 PM
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157. K & R. nt
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:49 PM
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163. Obama is already our nomnee. Clinton needs to get out for the good of our party.
We should all be backing and supporting Senator Obama against the current onslaught from the right.

It is - Obama vs McCain no if ands or buts.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:50 PM
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164. The twisted fantasies of a DLC hack.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:52 PM
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165. You go right ahead and help her get out of debt
Before she drops out. It's over. Sorry, you fought a good fight. She didn't, though she did her best to ruin our Nominee's chances in the GE with her Rovian BS.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:59 PM
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167. If Pennsylvania Democrats won't vote for Obama over McCain
then they aren't really Democrats at all, are they? In fact, I would call them racists. There is no other reason why these "Democrats" wouldn't vote for a perfectly good Democratic nominee. This idea that because Hillary won Pennsylvania in the primary that Obama can't win it in the GE is just a huge pile of steaming BS, and you know it. Aren't you ashamed of pushing such propaganda?
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:02 PM
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200. A lot of people think Obama is too inexperienced for the job. Their leaning toward McCain over Obama
isn't racist. It may be stupid, but the motivation for some is that the guy seems too green not too black.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:26 PM
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224. But if they would actually vote for McCain, are they truly Democrats?
I really don't think so. I'd like to meet one of these "Democrats" who would vote for McCain rather than Obama. Show me one and I'm 90% sure I can show you a racist.

Seriously, Obama is bringing in independents and new voters. I don't think we need these half-assed Democrats who are probably racists and I certainly am not ready to pander to them.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:58 PM
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227. Thank you Onion....and if the party decides that it's going to cater
to the wishes of the racist wing of the party....I'm out. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'll switch to Independent. That way I get to participate in either party's primary, but I will no longer be a Dem if we're held hostage by racists.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:10 AM
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234. 11% of Dems voted for Bush each time. 24% voted for Reagan in 84'
As to rethugs, 13% voted for Clinton in 96', 8% for Gore, and 6% for Kerry. Crossover voting has always existed.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:51 PM
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241. I just don't think we should base our choices on them.
Especially if a lot of them are likely racists, and having grown up in that area of the country, I believe a lot of them are. They aren't the true base of our party. I don't know why we would worry about them when Obama is bringing in plenty of independents and moderates in other areas.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:12 PM
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170. I bookmarked this thread..gonna serve it back to you with salt and pepper..lol
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 06:14 PM by ScarletSniper
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:13 PM
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171. I'm ready! GO Hillary!!!! k&r
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:16 PM
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172. BOOOOO,,, HISS, HISSS,,, BOOOOOO..
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 06:16 PM by Bensthename
:puke:
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:32 PM
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175. Yes We WIll! Great enthusiasm! K&R
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:36 PM
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176. K & R
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:48 PM
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184. Obama has a conference call tonight for phonebankers. Did Hillary? n/t
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:20 PM
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190. Sorry, the face of this race has already been carved in stone.
I'll give you a solid C for effort though.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:49 PM
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195. Guam's a caucus state and Indiana is open. Think again.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:51 PM
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196. PA bump? Keep dreaming. "YES WE WILL?" Hm, you even have to steal Obama's lines?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:52 PM
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197. A bold new direction in self-delusion.
Congratulations. :crazy:
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:56 PM
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198. New poll has her down by 1 in IN. Don't guarantee a victory for her there.
Show me any recent poll with Hillary within 8% of Obama in NC. Not happening.

Popular vote is a non-issue right now, especially if you're talking about Puerto Rico. The contest for delegates has almost been decided. Tell me; do you think Hillary will seriously be ahead after winning NC, IN, and Guam? She needs to win the rest of the races 60/40 and then get a hefty majority of superdelegates.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:04 PM
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202. She's not going to "squeak by" in North Carolina.
I think she's going to be steamrolled in North Carolina.

Also, she is not going to be the nominee.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:03 PM
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228. Hi OC....
I guess I can't blame the OP for trying to build on some perceived "momentum" coming out of PA, but really, weren't we told before PA that Hillary needed a blowout? And when she won by 9.3, the media narrative somehow changed to this single digit win being great for Hillary? We all know the media has a stake in the continuation of this farce, but why are her supporters buying into it?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:56 PM
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230. Hey there, Tarheel_Dem -- how are you, and a happy weekend in advance,
too.

Good question. I have no idea. Agree with you completely on the media. That's their gig and they are going to milk that cow for all it's worth.

Those media folks can change a political narrative at the drop of a hat.

The pro-Clinton people on a lot of the blogs are becoming strident and shrill -- both boys and girls -- and it really shrinks the rationale for her candidacy from its already-narrowed state.

I think she's toast.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:06 PM
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203. Dream on, It's over Johnny.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:56 AM
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204. I know I'm not supposed to point this out but: Member since April 15,2008 ???
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 05:56 AM by HamdenRice
And I thought Hillary's campaign was running out of money. Could you please tell your co-workers and your boss that this kind of spam is not affecting public opinion on DU or elsewhere.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:02 AM
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207. Time to put an end to this shit
I'll just post this photo which is generally quite effective at killing threads


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:25 AM
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210. Yes, SHE will, and Yes, WE will! nt
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:26 AM
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211. And IF she's the nomine. . . . guess what? She LOSES
the general election. But it will accomplish two things-one, we'll never have to hear from her again and secondly, we won't have to put up with her delusinal enablers.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:10 PM
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216. I'll bet you a 100 dollar contribution to DemUnderground that Obama is the nominee.
Yeah . . . that quieted Wes right down, didin't it . . .
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:10 PM
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217. Delusional
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:12 PM
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218. The rest of the primaries belong to Hillary...
The next President of the United States!!

GO HILLARY!!!

YES SHE WILL

YES SHE WILL

YES SHE WILL
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:19 PM
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219. K&R
Love the post. Glad to welcome a Hillary supporter to DU.

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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:21 PM
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220. HILL! WANTS! MCSAME! HILL! WANTS! MCSAME!
You've LOST.

Stop dividing the party.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:22 PM
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221. Guam? Hehehe! NC is definitely Obama by 8-10% IN is Obama by 3-5%
Either way, it's IMPOSSIBLE for Hillary to get enough delegates at this point to go past Obama. Check your handbook. The delegates are what nominate the nominee.

If you want Hillary to win, do what you can. Nobody's stopping you.


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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:01 PM
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223. Yeeeeaaaah, No.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:34 PM
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225. Official "Denial isnt just a river in Egypt!" *PLONK*!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:05 PM
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229. LOL ...I won't hold my breath for it This post is just psychobabble.
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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SouthAmerica Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:25 AM
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238. The Ultimate Democratic Party candidate in 2008 is: The Real Thing
April 26, 2008

SouthAmerica: The Bill Moyers interview with Rev. Wright it was very interesting.

But at the end of the day enough damage has been done to both candidates that are irreversible by November 2008.

If the Democratic Party wants to win in November 2008 then the party elders should read the following info on this forum:

Al Gore - Democratic Party candidate in 2008.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadi...


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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:29 AM
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239. She needs to quit campaigning for 2012 and drop out now!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:56 PM
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242. Will Hilly obliterate mighty Guam if it fails to vote for her?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:04 PM
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243. Barack Obama requires less than 43% of the delegates
in all races between now and May 20 to win.

That's mathematical reality. Clinton could win with 14% blowouts in every contest and Obama still wins.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:05 PM
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244. Sounds good to me!
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