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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:21 PM
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Well, Well..Obama gets the majority of the black vote and now the party is divided..
Please, blacks have been given the choice to vote for the white guy and the other white guys for eons. Even when a black candidate ran, the white guy still received a good portion of the black vote. In addition, the white guy received the black vote with confidence when the General Election rolled around, each and every time.

I guess people forgot that Hillary had the support of a larger portion of the black vote when she started off..based simply on name recognition but that was before Billy's performance in South Carolina, before Billy Sheehan's words in New Hampshire and before she put Bob Johnson out there to stump. I bet if she did the same with respect to Hispanic voters and a Hispanic candidate was in
Barack's position the same would happen.

So, please stop trying to turn this into some racial, hatred, bitter divide. Paul Begala (a Clinton supporter) said it best on CNN earlier today, so what if blacks are voting for Obama because he's black, they've earned it and he's quite qualified for the job. They are proud and they should be.

I say, Obama is hope and change, and I'm tired of Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush..a frickin' Bush and Clinton has in been in the White House since what 1980 ( I was in fuckn' High School for Christ Sakes -my 25 yr reunion is this year)--that's long enough, time for some new blood.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:22 PM
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1. nawwwwwwww...but, do enjoy your reunion.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:25 PM
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5. I ain't going to hang out with a bunch of white folks...lmao
:rofl:
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:23 PM
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2. yeah he gets the blsck viote..
and the republican crossover primary vote...
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:35 PM
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17. He's also tied among my ethnic group
Beer drinkers.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:39 PM
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24. im sure he will do well with the addicts too
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:41 PM
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28. and why is that? What does Obama have on addicts that Hillary doesn't it
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:43 PM
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30. Hope
Also, "a shot at the nomination"
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:45 PM
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31. Why is that? I'd think that...
addicts were in the lower income bracket, and less educated. Should be a plus, plus for Hillary
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:23 PM
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3. Black bloc voting only becomes a problem when it doesn't benefit whites
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:26 PM
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:29 PM
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8. Why are there Chinese, Indian, Pakistani or Hispanic, etc,. Coalition and Alliances?
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 06:29 PM by ScarletSniper
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:35 PM
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:36 PM
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18. What do you call the republican party?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:38 PM
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21. damn, you beat me to it!
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:39 PM
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23. lol i resisted posting that
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:38 PM
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22. Who says you can't. If you want one..start it..who's stopping you? How passionate are you?
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:29 PM
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9. Why are there women's rights
but not men's rights?

Your argument fails miserably.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:32 PM
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13. not really...
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 06:34 PM by ruiner4u
you can give every minority some say, but if you do it at the expenise of the majority you will see one hell of a blacklash from the gun toting god folks in PA.

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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:37 PM
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19. there is a white caucus that benfits whites only:
it's called the Republican party. lol
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:40 PM
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27. The Poster believes there is a level playing field in America for all..nice thought..
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:37 PM
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20. Man, you said it!
NT!

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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:25 PM
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4. You had me until
the stupid "I'm tired of Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush ...that's long enough, time for some new blood."


I am disgusted with both bush's, mixed feelings about Bill. NONE of that has ANYTHING to do with her qualifications. That comment is on a par with "I'd rather have a beer with..."
And it is a shopworn parroted talking point. Come up with an original opinion, why don't you?
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:26 PM
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7. That was original..but glad at least I had you...you taste good..lmao
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:25 PM
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44. lol
:rofl:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:29 PM
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10. Well using that argument, women deserve to be in the WH as well.
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 06:30 PM by saracat
" so what if women are voting for Hillary because she is a woman, they've earned it and she's quite qualified for the job.They are proud and they should be" to switch it around.

I say Clinton offers at least as much "hope and change" as Obama and she presents actual solutions instead of just rhetoric and other peoples ideas.
I can't imagine more of a "change" than a female president.We have had enough males(using this argument)
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:32 PM
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12. I don't disagree with you..my point is about those saying its racist or racially divisive because
blacks are voting for Obama.

You can support Clinton, your choice and I won't call you racist if you're white, or a man hater because you're a woman.

I posted my opinion.

I support Obama.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:40 PM
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25. Thank you. I have been repeatedly called racist for not supporting your candidate so I
appreciate your not calling me a racist. Actually I believe it is wrong to vote for either of these candidates based on either race or gender but unfortunately the horse has been let out of the barn on this primary and what is done is done.That being said, I can't see it being any worse to vote for Clinton because she is a woman than it is for the Blacks to vote for Obama because he is Black. . Neither have anything to do with qualifications.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:43 PM
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29. Agreed...thanks for the civil response..it is much appreciated.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:34 PM
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15. This country was ruined by White Males. Only a Samoan hermaphrodite can save us.
Isn't it about time we let this country be run by Samoan hermaphrodites? Their time has come!

.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:32 PM
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11. Oh for God's sake, this is not about race.
Race is a marginally interesting sidenote to this election. I do not owe any black person my vote. I'm supporting Obama because I think he'll make a better president. Honestly, the novelty of his Negrotude has worn off. It's boring me now.

People in the 21st century still treating race as a primary basis for political decisions need to grow the hell up.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:33 PM
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14. BRAVO!!!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:40 PM
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26. You do not owe any black person anything...
and the only people who think that this primary is not about race, are white folks. What is this "owe" shit? Where'd you pick that up from?


December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."



Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html




Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.




Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance

By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.


On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.


Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties

By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.


In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager.
The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
------------------

Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."




Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=278988
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.


CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...

On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/

Link for lawsuit: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:45 PM
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32. Wow, you sure had that big post ready for response
I'm printing it out for later, when I have trouble going to sleep tonight.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:48 PM
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33. That's because I've been reading...
the type of shit you post for months. You know that reverse racism, self-righteous, condescending, ignorant, arrogant thing. Do you know any black people?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:01 PM
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36. "Do you know any black people?" Ha!
You're good for a laugh, my friend. Were it not for reality, you'd be scoring some pretty serious points on me.

You'll have to indulge me and my silly white habit of judging people by the content of their character.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:05 PM
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37. "Character"? That's rich!
Is the Ignore function not working?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:07 PM
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38. Sorry, you're stuck with me.
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:07 PM by Bucky
Are you suggesting Obama lacks character?

Are you suggesting millions of Democratic voters are that gullible?
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:49 PM
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34. I'm white and I voted for Obama!
Yay!

But yeah to the OP. It's ridiculous. Someone in another thread called it "racial voting" and was wringing his hands over how wrong it is.

Wrong?

To vote for the person you want?

Whatevs. Is someone out there gonna go, "No excuse me, people, we can only have 80 percent of you voting for Obama, otherwise, it'll just be too creepy, so some of you black people need to vote for someone white, ok?"

Sheesh.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:53 PM
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35. "No excuse me, people, we can only have 80 percent of you voting for Obama"
",otherwise, it'll just be too creepy, so some of you black people need to vote for someone white, ok?"


Okay..I almost spit my water on my monitor..:rofl: :spray:
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:22 PM
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39. Well, that's the translation of what some people
around here are saying!
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:32 PM
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40. LOL, good one.
This is just more stupid spin.

How black people are voting is only surprising to those people who still believe we aren't intelligent.

The intent of these "OMG, blacks are voting black" posts are old and tired.

On one hand we have: great campaign, organizing, Harvard Law Review, loving family, integrity and change of politics;
On the other: lies, smears, kitchen sink and broke. I'll stop there.


LOL, I mean, at LEAST present a semi-decent option to rationalize why blacks should overwhelmingly vote any different.






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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:34 PM
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41. Same 90ish% black vote and 30%+ of white vote, for any Dem prex
Seems race insignificant difference-which is great!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:51 PM
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42. I think attitudes like this are part of the division.
Obama does not offer the hope and change I'm looking for.

And, of course, as I've often stated, neither does HRC.

If there were really a substantial difference between these 2 candidates outside of gender and race, if there were really a pony somewhere in the mountain of shit this primary has become, I could understand the passionate support people offer the candidate of their choice.

There isn't, though. Neither offer what the party or the nation needs in the way of change. The whole thing is really nothing more than devolution: too many Democrats, faced with choosing between a person of color or a woman, allowing the underlying racism and misogyny to emerge.

That's the source of the divisiveness.


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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:54 PM
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43. The same things you say could be said for women given the chance to vote for a woman. No, the party
is not divided. If Obama wins, great, I'll vote for him. But damn if I'll be happy to have to vote for a man yet again, when there is a more qualified WOMAN we could have elected.
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