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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:35 PM
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Clinton loyalists wouldn't look like idiots if they'd just be honest
You all know what Obama actually said and meant. Just because Clinton distorts, misleads, and outright lies doesn't change the accuracy of his statements.

Secondly, when others call Clinton out on it, it's not "blaming Clinton for Obama's mistake". You only look like an illogical fool when you make such an obviously false assertion. You're certainly entitled to have an opinion about Obama's choice of words. You can state your opinion that it was a mistake or a gaffe or characterize it as his placing his foot in his mouth, but it is completely dishonest to say that pointing out Clinton's cynical Rovian capitalization of it is "blaming Clinton".

There are other examples. Her Bosnia story was an obvious fabrication. Calling her a liar is not "calling her a liar", it's stating the fact that she is a liar.

Pointing out the mathematics of the delegate situation is not "arrogance", and it's not Obama supporters being "afraid of Democracy" or "afraid of losing".

If you have a problem with the truth, that's your problem, not ours. Maybe the rest of us would take you a little more seriously if you stopped acting like your candidate.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:40 PM
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1. Fifth K&R
off to the greatest page with ya



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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:40 PM
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2. They don't serve themselves very well
or help their candidate much by spinning up these bullshit stories. Every time the
truth rises to the surface and, despite all their faux indignation and confabulations,
the Clinton fans end up donating a handful more delegates to Obama. Not bad : - )))

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:43 PM
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3. The desperation is palpable in the Clinton camp
Unfortunately, they're on track to take everyone down with them.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:43 PM
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4. But if they were honest, would they be Hillary supporters?
Quite the paradox


(I don't know why, but I'm imagining this post being spoken by Jeff Goldblum)
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:43 PM
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5. They follow the leadership of their candidate
and we all know Hillary doesn't have an honest bone in her body.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:44 PM
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6. Well said!
:thumbsup:

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:48 PM
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7. Get a clue: Obama made a rookie mistake (in one of the worst places he could have made it)
Understanding what he said doesn't make it any less impolitic.

Though some of us who actually ARE honest- (and still think critically) do wonder why the bit about corporate trade policies was tossed in there alongside god, guns and fear of the other.

Things that make you go: hmmmm.

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catcher Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:48 PM
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8. Hey lets let the badmouthing be their thing
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 06:49 PM by catcher
thus proving how the guy we're rooting for is the better canidate. How about it
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:50 PM
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9. I couldn't agree with you more.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:50 PM
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10. K&R. It is the intellectual dishonesty that is destroying their credibility.
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:53 PM
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11. Understand
Sen. Clinton can do enough damage to herself on her own, but her campaign staff and supporters take it to a whole new and illogical height
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:21 PM
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12. Me first...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5483923&mesg_id=5486434

Now your turn. Tell us the truth.
You don't really know for sure if she lied or not, do you?

lie: To present false information with the intention of deceiving.
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