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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:33 PM
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How can yesterday's children turn against their defender/protector?
There probably hasn’t been another human being who has worked harder for children than Hillary Clinton. Her work goes back to the early 1970s:

• During her second year, she worked at the Yale Child Study Center, learning about new research on early childhood brain development and working as a research assistant on the seminal work, Beyond the Best Interests of the Child (1973). She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale-New Haven Hospital, and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free advice for the poor.
• she interned on child custody cases”
• She began a year of post-graduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.< Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973. Discussing the new children's rights movement, it stated that "child citizens" were "powerless individuals" and argued that children should not be considered equally incompetent from birth to attaining legal age, but rather courts should presume competence except when there is evidence otherwise, on a case-by-case basis. The article became frequently cited in the field. [br />• During her post-graduate study, Rodham served as staff attorney for Edelman's newly founded Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children.
• Rodham joined the venerable Rose Law Firm, a bastion of Arkansan political and economic influence, in February 1977, specializing in patent infringement and intellectual property law, while also working pro bono in child advocacy; she rarely performed litigation work in court.
• Rodham maintained her interest in children's law and family policy, publishing the scholarly articles "Children's Policies: Abandonment and Neglect" in 1977 and "Children's Rights: A Legal Perspective" in 1979. The latter continued her argument that legal competence of children depended upon their age and other circumstances, and that in cases of serious medical rights judicial intervention is sometimes warranted.
• An American Bar Association chair later said, "Her articles were important, not because they were radically new but because they helped formulate something that had been inchoate
• Rodham co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. . . . she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.
• In one of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.
• She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
• She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.
• Clinton served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988–1992) and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986–1992).
• Along with Senators Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch, she was a force behind passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage, and conducted outreach efforts on behalf of enrolling children in the program once it became law.
• She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses
• In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.
• In 1999, she was instrumental in passage of the Foster Care Independence Act, which doubled federal monies for teenagers aging out of foster care.
• As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997), Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997), and Children and Adolescents (2000), and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000) and Philanthropy (1999).
• Along with Senators Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh, she introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.
• In 1996, Clinton presented a vision for the children of America in the book It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us. The book was a New York Times Best Seller, and
• Clinton received the Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album in 1997 for the book's audio recording.
• Around 1994, Hillary Clinton received the Living Legacy Award from the Women's International Center, in recognition of "her vast contributions in so many fields, especially honoring her work for women and children."
• In May 1998, Clinton received the United Arab Emirates Health Foundation Prize for her work in health and social welfare, especially as it related to women, children, and families.
• In April 1999, Clinton was honored with the Lifetime Achievement Award from the Children of Chernobyl Relief Fund for her support of that Ukrainian organization's efforts regarding legacy effects of the Chernobyl accident.
• In May 2005, Clinton received an honorary doctorate from Agnes Scott College near Atlanta for being a "defender of human rights" and "a resolute defender of the rights of women and girls."

SOURCE: Wikipedia
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:38 PM
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1. Might have been that little "gift of freedom" she thinks we've given to Iraqi children.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:38 PM
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2. It's obviously because they are all sexist woman-haters.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:22 PM
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18. oh bullshit. this is ridiculous. I vote for who I believe will do the
country good and she isn't the one. Get over it. Not everyone is going to vote for a MAMA. Some of us want a president.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:39 PM
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3. Because I'm an ungrateful brat, I guess.
Say, did you know that Marion Wright Edelman has been scathingly critical of the Clintons due to the draconian welfare reform Bill passed in the 90s? How many children suffered from that?

How about those sanctions and bombings on Iraq throughout the 90s, that killed hundreds of thousands of children there? You know, the ones Madeleine Albright thought were "worth it"?

What about those cluster bombs?

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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:40 PM
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4. "turn against"
Jeezus. Please stop this entitlement thing. Just because someone doesnt support her it doesnt mean they've turned against her.

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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:52 PM
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12. Isn't it rather obvious that some people who post at DU have turned against her?
Not everyone of course, but there are more "anti-Hillary" posts here than "anti-Bush", esp. the last few months.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:01 PM
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14. Isn't that like the LBJ thing from last week?
White people voted for LBJ, therefore black people owe white people their vote? Sounds like it.

"Not everyone of course, but there are more "anti-Hillary" posts here than "anti-Bush", esp. the last few months."

Well, this is the GD: Primaries forum, silly.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:24 PM
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19. any post that isn't for hillary is judged anti-hillary. god. I think there
are a few people on here with mother issues, the OP as example. "Yesterday's children".
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:32 PM
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21. You cant turn against someone you were never *for*.
And some people are simply not for her. Thats nothing new.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:41 PM
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5. You forgot: Failed bar exam, clusterbombs, and welfare reform.
And thanks for cutting and pasting that whole long list from Wikipedia... cause that's ALWAYS reliable info.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:42 PM
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6. What kind of protector of children supports the use of cluster bombs?
Sorry, i don't care to be guilt-tripped into voting for someone.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:04 PM
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15. Hillary doesn't - its just another lie about her
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:42 PM
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7. Oh for the love of reason
what is the bizarre mentality that some Hillfans have that makes them believe this or that person or this or that demographic owes it to Hillary to support her for prez? And frankly, I think both Clintons owe dems more than dems owe them.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:46 PM
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8. Thanks, cali, for saving me the time and
my temper. I was not in the mood to be as gracious.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:50 PM
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9. Then why did she vote against a law to prevent Cluster bomb use around noncombatants?
And BTW stop with the Entitlement crap. Clinton is not entitled to anything! This is not some damn Monarchy!
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:30 PM
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16. She didn't
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:40 PM
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17. Can you read?? Or are you just spouting lies like Hillary? Here.. in case you can't Google..
Over 150 nations have signed the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty. It pains me that our great nation has not. But in the autumn of 2006, there was a chance to take a step in the right direction: Senate Amendment No. 4882, an amendment to a Pentagon appropriations bill that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.

Senator Obama of Illinois voted IN FAVOR of the ban.

Senator Clinton of New York voted AGAINST the ban.

Analysts say Clinton did not want to risk appearing "soft on terror," as it would have harmed her electibility.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-rees/clinton-obama-and-clust_b_84811.html

And here's the Roll Call, in case you need further proof. The vote was 70/30

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00232#position

Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Feinstein Amdt. No. 4882 )
Vote Number: 232 Vote Date: September 6, 2006, 12:00 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 4882 to H.R. 5631
Statement of Purpose: To protect civilian lives from unexploded cluster munitions.
Vote Counts: YEAs 30
NAYs 70

Clinton (D-NY), Nay


Need more??
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:51 PM
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10. How ironic. Do you think Hillary considered a 12-year-old girl
a child?

"it stated that "child citizens" were "powerless individuals" and argued that children should not be considered equally incompetent from birth to attaining legal age, but rather courts should presume competence except when there is evidence otherwise, on a case-by-case basis. The article became frequently cited in the field.

In May 2005, Clinton received an honorary doctorate from Agnes Scott College near Atlanta for being a "defender of human rights" and "a resolute defender of the rights of women and girls."



Did she accuse a 12-year-old of being responsible for her own rape in 1975 because she really thought it true, or to get ahead for the sake of her own career? Either way.. surely doesn't match the resume.


The victim was visibly stunned when handed the affidavit by a reporter this fall. "It kind of shocks me - it's not true," she said. "I never said anybody attacked my body before, never in my life." In December, when Clinton was campaigning in Iowa, the woman was being released from a state prison after serving a year for forging checks to pay for her methamphetamine addiction. She doesn't blame Taylor for all her problems, but says the incident continues to haunt her, compounding her bouts of depression and anxiety. "I remember a lot of bad things about what he did to me in that pickup of his," said the woman, who says she attempted suicide a year after the incident. "I've had a lot of counseling and saw a psychiatrist for five to ten years ... It really affected me mentally. I was always kind of scared to be alone with a guy afterwards."

In 2005, while working in a laundry, the victim stole several hundred dollars worth of checks from her boss to buy drugs. She is now living in a halfway house and looking for work. Despite these problems, she bears Hillary Rodham Clinton no ill will and was eager to read "Living History" - at least pages 72 and 73, which contain her case.
http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/sunday/nation/ny-usark245589997feb24,0,3403116.story


Don't tell me it isn't relevant. And don't bother the faux outrage or saying "she did what she had to do". This is yet another despicable incident of HRC doing exactly what is best for HRC and the world, or little girls, be damned. After that, her "resume" is just that.. a piece of paper, signifying nothing.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:52 PM
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11. ROFL
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:00 PM
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13. Kicking this up and waiting for the OP to respond to war, cluster bombs and child victims of rape.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:25 PM
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20. Let it sink!
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:34 PM
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22. This is another one of those ridiculous "SHAME ON YOU ,BARACK SUPPORERS" threads!
There are literally TENS OF THOUSANDS of people in the United States of America who have made it their careers to help children, teachers, clergy, school principals and administrators, special education paraprofessionals, college researchers, doctors, nurses.

To say that ANY of THEM are qualified to be President because of all the wonderful things they have done in their life would be ABSURD!!!

Now stop scolding and shaming Obama supporters with a recitation of the former First Lady's resume of volunteer activities and speeches, please.
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