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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:11 PM
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$18 million dollars unaccounted for......
How did the Clinton's make that money? Where did it come from?

All this spin from Clinton fans about the charitable giving (really less than 10% of their income, big deal, most people give that much to their church). But not a peep about where the mysterious $18 million came from....


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/The_Clintons_taxes.html


Care to spin some more Hillary supporters?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:12 PM
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1. Speaking engagements, 2 best-selling books.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:15 PM
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2. So, we put the man in the Presidency and he makes 50$ million
dollars talking about it? How does that make any sense at all?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:17 PM
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4. He is not the first.
We pay our Presidents a pittance. They do well, financially, after the end of their presidency.

This is nothing new. Especially for a charismatic president like Bill Clinton.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:26 PM
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5. $400,000 is a 'pittance'? 0.o
That's a HUGE sum of money to better than 95% of the population.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:00 PM
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8. Oh come on
please tell me are aren't seriously comparing POTUS to someone who shuffles papers in a cube or changes the tires on cars.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:47 PM
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26. no, that's NOT what I'm doing
I'm saying $400,000/year is NOT a "pittance".

As of 2006 only 5% of households in the US make over $174k/year.
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new05_000.htm
The VAST majority of people who the POTUS represents will NEVER see anything even close to that salary.

$400,000/year is only a "pittance" when compared with the modern day robber barons.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:18 PM
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29. I respectfully disagree.
Given the job description I WOULD call $400,000 a pittance. Obviously, if that was really all a POTUS could make in that job we would not have too many people even marginally qualified applying.

One simply cannot compare the salary of POTUS to that of the "average" American. It's just not a valid comparison. IMHO.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:50 PM
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31. it has nothing to do with the job description
pit·tance –noun
1. a small amount or share.
2. a small allowance or sum, as of money for living expenses.
3. a scanty income or remuneration..

Regardless of if you think $400,000/year is too little or too much for the job, it is NOT a pittance.

As for qualified candidates.. we do have a dearth of those.
However, the idea that the people that become presidents could have gone elsewhere and made huge salaries is a myth.
With few exceptions the people we get even as candidates aren't "captains of industry" or capable of being such.
Their only path to those sort of nosebleed incomes is through politics.

They're generally lawyers who are more or less civic minded and found they are particularly good at public relations.

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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:32 PM
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32. Now you have me wondering, particularly about * now....
Does the president have to buy his own presidential suits and ties? Is there a tailor on the people's tab? Ties in particular...they cost a fortune and a president has to have quite a few of the best quality.

Is there a rental fee for the use of the White House, subtracted from his wages? And food...does the president get to order whatever he wants from the kitchen, night or day? Are there well-stocked mini-bars in the private rooms?
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:24 PM
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17. Ninety-five percent of the population hasn't been President of the United States.
n/t
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:01 PM
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28. so we should base the salary on how many people have held the job?
Keep in mind that I only pointed out that it's asinine to call $400,000 / year a 'pittance'.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:54 PM
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6. Compare it to lawyers in private practice, CEOs, business executives....
He could have made much more money as a private citizen.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:36 PM
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33. you may be right... that doesn't make $400,000 a 'pittance' /nt
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:59 PM
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7. No Jimmy and Roselyn Carter They
Some former presidents use their special privilege to better humanity.

Some go out and make a hundred million dollars.

But no matter how many untruths and exaggerations and smears and undercutting the Democratic Party ... nothing is new for the Clinton(s).

Old Hill can do no wrong, can never engage in any hypocrisy.

The Clinton(s) campaign is now like watching a slow motion train wreck.

It's getting sad.

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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:21 PM
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24. You don't know what you are talking about. Do some research on the
charitable work Bill Clinton has done since leaving the White House. He has done as much as Jimmy Carter, he just hasn't had as long to do it. Please educate yourself some before making assumptions like those stated in your post so as not to sound so stupid and uninformed!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:04 PM
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11. That's how it works... it has always been so...
Presidents make a fraction of what they could make in the private sector, knowing full well when their term is up, they will have many opportunities to make up for it.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:23 PM
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16. Because he's in demand, that's why
Here's a list of groups he's spoken in front of:

http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2007/10/11/clinton/index1.html
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:15 PM
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3. Didn't read the link
Besides that, there is $18 million unaccounted for.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:01 PM
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9. Some kind of half ass Elliot Ness?
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:02 PM
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10. About 15 million is probably the line 17 partnership income
which mostly comes from Yupaica (big source of Clinton embarrassments)

There's the $400K from InfoUSA (under SEC investigation and another source of embarrassment)

Rest is probably interest, dividend & capital gain.
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mrJJ Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:28 PM
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30. InfoUsa
The 100,000 shares of InfoUsa shares were gratis for services rendered. InfoUsa is also the company that Hillary rented her donor list to last year. If I'm not mistaken 2006 financials showed those shares of InfoUsa stock at being over $1000 too lazy to look it up again too many damn pages to wade through.

Hillary Clinton (D-NY) - 2006 Politician Profile Net Worth: From $10,360,009 to $51,021,998 Ranks 9th among all members of the Senate.

Assets: 10 totaling $10,460,009 to $51,052,000. Liabilities: 2 totaling $30,002 to $100,000.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?txtName=clinton

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDsummary.php?CID=N00000019&year=2006

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?capcode=h3mpd&CID=N00000019&submit=Submit
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:05 PM
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12. Bill and Hillary Clinton gave over Ten Million Dollars to charity!
That's wonderful!!
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jordi_fanclub Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:10 PM
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14. You mean... to their OWN "charity"...
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 07:11 PM by jordi_fanclub
The Clintons donated $10,256,741 to the CFF between 2000 & 2006.

In 2005 and before:
Bill Clinton was the CFF president,
Hillary the secretary/treasurer, and
Chelsea was a director.

In 2006 Gloria Clinton was the CEO.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:28 PM
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18. who is gloria clinton? nt
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:41 PM
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20. That article is from townhall.com
To the best of my knowledge, Gloria Clinton doesn't exist.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:53 PM
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22. So they paid someone who does not exist the sum of...
...$250K+ during the 2006 tax year?
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:58 PM
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23. I worked in the Clinton White House, and I've never HEARD of Gloria Clinton
and I sure as hell don't get my news from townhall.com!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:52 PM
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34. ahh, more evidence that DU is attracting Morans: the "Gloria" clinton foundation
is completely separate from, unrelated to, etc etc. the Hillary/Bill foundation

I know it will come as a shock to you that there might be two families named clinton who aren't related to each other and both happen to have charitable foundations, but it happens to be true.

Read all about it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5390713&mesg_id=5391101
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:08 PM
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13. Tips n/t
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:12 PM
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15. I'm afraid all you'll get from the HRC boosters is spin, dishonesty, & flames. They consider such
straightforward questions to be beneath them, just like their candidate.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:34 PM
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19. I can't help you obtain an education.
You'll have to find that out all by yourself. Maybe if you stop eating long enough to Google or read DU you'd find the answer. Get going!
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:42 PM
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21. Bill's a high class call boy. n/t
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:23 PM
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25. lol
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:57 PM
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27. mysterious $18 million ... that's the down payment deal, like how Cheney did Halliburton ..n/t
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:55 PM
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35. I suspect that that's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to their shady dealings.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:59 PM
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36. The Clintons are a subsidiary of the United Arab Emirates...
I would surmise that the money came primarily from oil and natural gas.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:00 AM
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37. I want to say 'ouch' but that doesn't ring true. nt
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:00 AM
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38. More Obama "math"?
:eyes:
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