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monicaaida Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:04 PM
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Indiana Clinton 49, Obama 46
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:04 PM
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1. Lookin' good for Oboe man.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:06 PM
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3. Behind again in neighboring state. Looking good!
:sarcasm:The more horseshit, the more likely a pony.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:12 PM
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12. Don't you ever get tired of being nasty?
All I said was "looking good," and you pounced. What the hell is your problem?
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:23 PM
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14. They are upset and desperate in my view.
Expect this to get even worse after PA if Clinton decides not to exit.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:23 PM
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15. I don't think he knows much else.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:32 PM
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17. The Clinton years were the best in America's history for all races and classes
I hate seeing people's hopes being used to elect a smiling empty suited huckster.
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:46 PM
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19. Where are we at today? lossing the congress has a part in that, lossing 2000 when we should have
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 08:47 PM by landonb16
won. just saying, where did it get us?
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:47 PM
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20. People's actual lives and prosperity were better
Unfortunately, Gore ran away from Clinton.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:49 PM
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22. NAFTA
Next!
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:52 PM
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23. The horse was long out of the barn before NAFTA
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:57 PM
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26. What horse?
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:09 PM
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30. i was going to say the same thing
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:12 PM
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31. The global economy was already rolling, Reagan had already crushed unions
Toyota was well along in replacing GM/Ford/Mopar, Sony with replacing GE/RCA/Sylvania, foreign steel was putting big American steel out od business. The party was over before Clinton ever had a chance to anything about globalization.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:49 PM
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21. No they were not. That is a fantasy in my view
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 08:49 PM by Zachstar
The best years in America was following the end of World War 2.

During Clinton we got a bunch of crap and lost the advantage in Congress. Leading to George Bush afterwards.

If they were the best years then Gore would have won by a LANDSLIDE.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:54 PM
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24. The economy sucked after WW2 and the social conditions sucked worse
Nice try.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:56 PM
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25. Wow!
Lets see during WW2 the economy picked up greatly from depression levels. Then afterwards the soldiers came home to start families and be in America again.

It was a greatly happy time. A true happy time not the happy you get when you stocks are high or your .com site during the 90s gets 20 thousand hits.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:05 PM
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28. Talk about a fantasy! A bad economy led to Truman's defeat
And what about the lives of the poor, women and minorities?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:14 PM
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32. Bill. Clinton. Is. Not. Running.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:36 PM
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18. A Reagan Quote... Nice... real fucking nice
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:05 PM
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2. Within the MOE
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:06 PM
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4. Right next to IL? Obama should walk away with the state.
Total blowout.

Right?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:07 PM
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6. Two different kinds of states, but the Lee Hamilton endorsement will help.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:08 PM
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8. Wrong.
Most of Indiana is rural and working class, Clinton's traditional "base." And Hillary enjoys widespread institutional Democratic support in the state. Hillary's the one who should be walking away with Indiana, save the Chicago suburbs like Gary.

This race ends in Indiana and North Carolina if Hillary can't produce blowouts in both.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:10 PM
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11. The bottom two-thirds of IL is rural and working class.
I don't know it to be true, but I would imagine a huge % of IN's population lives within 50 miles of Chicago.

This should be his home turf.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:21 PM
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13. Indianapolis is a very large city, one of the rural midwest's largest.
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 08:22 PM by VolcanoJen
It's built for Clinton, based on demographics, but Obama performs exceedingly well in urban areas.

Another large population center of Indiana is the southeastern part that serves as an exurb of Cincinnati, Ohio. Cincinnati was Obama's biggest Ohio stronghold and should be strong for Obama.

The rest of Indiana is rural heartland. In any other year, against any other candidate, you'd have to hand the state to Clinton. This year, not so much, and it's going to be tight. But I'd really be surprised if Obama takes any part of the state outside of the Chicago and Cincinnati exhurbs, and Indianapolis.

If Clinton can't win Indiana, and coupled with an almost certain North Carolina loss, her path to the nomination becomes impossible. Race ends on May 6th.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:09 PM
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10. Indiana? Is not Illinois.
I grew up in Indiana, live in Illinois.

That being said my mother is having a hard time keeping up with demand for Obama Campaign paraphernalia in Southern Indiana. A real hard time.

No one can remember the last time a presidential campaign set up shop in their town. Everyone is surprised that he is doing that well.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:04 PM
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27.  Indiana is not illinois.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:06 PM
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5. End the drama, vote Obama.
:toast:
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:08 PM
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7. LOVE it! nt
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:08 PM
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9. No more shock, vote Barack!
;-)
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:25 PM
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16. Sounds great!
Lovin it!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:07 PM
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29. Yeah, I agree with 5 more weeks and Lee Hamilton behind Obama, he'll win there too.
Probably like he does everywhere else, by 20 points or more.
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