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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:46 AM
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John Kerry looking most closely at John Edwards
Edited on Wed May-26-04 12:15 PM by JI7
i don't agree with this fool(howard fineman) that kerry and edwards don't like each other. and much of his writing including in this article in regards to his OPINION of kerry seems like crap. but i wanted to post it because i thought the FACTS he presents were worth looking into. and i tend to think Kerry and Edwards both being very ambitious is a good thing for themselves and each other. to me it seems the vp is Edwards to "lose". meaning it's up to others to prove or show they would be a better vp pick.

<WASHINGTON - If Sen. John Kerry isn’t going to pick Sen. John Edwards to be his running mate, he’s sure putting him through his paces. At the Kerry campaign’s request, the North Carolinian is doing four major events in June, three in battleground states. The headliner is the mid-month Jefferson-Jackson Weekend in Florida. If Edwards is a hit there, he could be on his way to the vice presidential nomination in Boston in July.

It’s no surprise that Edwards is getting the closest of looks. He’s been a leading contender, if not the clear choice, since the foreshortened primary season, in which he came from nowhere to within shouting distance of the nomination. His talent, brains, discipline and charm were and are obvious; the main drawbacks are his lack of experience (especially in foreign and military affairs) and such an evident hunger for the White House that it can make even a man such as Kerry — no wallflower in the ambition department — nervous.

The two men don’t like each other much, but there is no deep enmity and they are now, at the very least, using each other in a classic exercise in mutual back-scratching. Kerry is asking Edwards to pursue a heavy schedule of fund-raising and political events; Edwards is only too happy to do it — as an audition for the veep slot but also as a way to build his own grass-roots and state party ties for the long haul he has just barely begun.

Since May, mostly at Kerry’s behest, Edwards has traveled to party events in Minnesota, Colorado, South and North Carolina, Washington State and North Dakota. More important, and more to the point, he has made three stops on three different dates in Ohio, perhaps the ultimate battleground state. As it happens, Kerry’s Ohio media director is Jennifer Palmieri, one of the party’s savviest and best-liked operatives. Her previous job: Edward’s campaign-trail press secretary. A meaningless coincidence? Perhaps. A handy accident if Edwards is the running mate? For sure.

Where does the process stand?
And just where is Kerry in the veep selection process? Edwards’ busy schedule in June, culminating in the Iowa state convention at the end of the month, is strong evidence that the presumptive nominee is unlikely to announce a selection until the July 4th weekend at the earliest. Some of his top staff had been aiming and hoping for an earlier announcement — as early as the end of this month. But with President Bush lashed to the mast of Iraq, what’s the hurry? And in the meantime Kerry can have the several vice presidential contenders — others include Rep. Dick Gephardt, Gov. Tom Vilsack and retired Gen. Wes Clark — busy trying to prove their worth as they raise money and the party standard from coast to coast.>

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5067113/






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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:49 AM
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1. I am Jiggy with Edwards
Edited on Wed May-26-04 11:50 AM by seventhson
and as a lawyer he may actually have the knowledge to find the most effective means to prosecute the current fascist cadre of criminals occupying the White House and its environs.
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:49 AM
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2. I love Wes Clark, and I like John Edwards.
I wish we could have them both as VPs.

So while I'm partial to one, I am so glad that we have 2 eminently respectable, professional and talented men available for the party.

(See? That's Dem Unity, people) :)
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:52 AM
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4. i think both have a place even if none of them are picked
i see both having a place in the party and probaby administration, even if none of them are picked.

john edwards will most certainly run for president in 2012 even if he isn't picked for vp. the rest of the vp choices kerry is looking at seem too old to probably run for president themselves in 2012. and clark's knowledge of so many issues, especially foreign policy/national security will be something very useful whether he is vp or not.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:51 AM
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My gut feeling is and has been for about 6 weeks that Edwards is 'the one'
I honestly think that he's the one Kerry's going to choose.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:51 AM
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3. no surprise here, the only reason Gep, Clark, Vilsack etc were vetted
is out of politeness, but none of them had a chance


it's going to be Edwards!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:29 PM
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24. "Clark only being vetted out of politeness"
What a crock load of you know what? :wtf: are you talking about? Time to get out from under that rock and listen to the news. Have you heard that we are in a war with Iraq and we need someone to help us get this war under control and build up world respect for America again...the two most important things we must accomplish? I really don't see how you missed that fact! Why wouldn't Clark be considered qualified to do that? Why would Edwards? Edwards is a pleasant and compassionate man who can give a great speech...but that isn't what we need now. Maybe (I hope) that is just what we will need in 2012 but not in 2004. We and the world need Wes Clark. He is being vetted because he's qualified.

Did you ever think that maybe Edwards was being considered so all his supporters will get behind Kerry and won't be mad and take their ball/money/help and go home? Is that not a possibility too?
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Kira Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:50 PM
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38. I agree 100%
I hope he is still considering him. We must have someone with international war time experience. We MUST.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:01 PM
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40. Douche.
True to form. Vetted out of politeness? :eyes: It's going to be Clark!
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:23 PM
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41. God, I hope not
I'd hate to have to write in a vote.
I just can't vote for prom kings.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:53 AM
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5. Every legit poll I've seen shows Edwards the clear choice among voters.
He's the most prudent choice. And, he could swing NC.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:45 PM
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27. Edwards is only the clear choice because
he stayed in the race longer and didn't drop out even though he had no chance to beat Kerry. So people know him better...especially since the WR/press gave him so much publicity. People didn't get to know Clark well enough. But when/if he is chosen for Veep...people WILL get to know him and LOVE him and realize what a God send he is to our party.
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:54 AM
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6. I personally think Clark would be better
While he has next to no political experience Clark has a few things going for him.
A) He's not a senator.
B) He's from the South (as is Edwards)
C) He's from the military, and will show a strong stance on 'the war on terror'.

So basically, while Edwards might be more charming, I think Clark has a bit more appeal to the people who are willing to break ranks, or who actually think that Bush is doing a OK job in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:54 AM
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7. Where has Edwards been lately?
Haven't heard much. Hmmm. . .
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:56 AM
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8. meeting with Kerry
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:46 PM
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36. Clark Has Been More Visible, Why???
Just asking.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:36 PM
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39. Edwards is working for Kerry. The article outlines that quite clearly.
Kerry/Edwards '04. And beyond...
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:26 PM
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42. When?
While Clark was over at the Georgetown home off and on for a week?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:19 PM
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19. "At the Kerry campaign’s request, the North Carolinian is doing four major
...events in June, three in battleground states. The headliner is the mid-month Jefferson-Jackson Weekend in Florida. If Edwards is a hit there, he could be on his way to the vice presidential nomination in Boston in July.
...

Since May, mostly at Kerry’s behest, Edwards has traveled to party events in Minnesota, Colorado, South and North Carolina, Washington State and North Dakota. More important, and more to the point, he has made three stops on three different dates in Ohio, perhaps the ultimate battleground state. "

It's all in the article.
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Finch Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:26 PM
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23. Read the article...
...he's been campaign for candidates across the country.. Salazar in CO, Obama in IL, Bowles in NC, Tannenbaum in SC... and of course Kerry... HE IS THE MAN!

I DEMAND A SOUTHERN DRAWLE SOMWHERE ON THE NATIONAL TICKET!!! LOL :)
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Darkamber Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:00 PM
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32. NC for Bowles MINN at the DFL convention and more
He was with Bowles over the weekend and the DFL convention as the Keynote speaker. There were tons of articles about the DFL convention.

Also he's been in the Senate and has been active there. He's started his Tuesdays for Tarheels again in DC. There's been alot of votes coming up and some important stuff that has been delayed until after the memorial day holiday. I'm hoping Kerry will be back to vote on some of that stuff as some of the votes have been close.

Between all of that and his family as well, he's very busy and fitting in the Kerry work on the weekends mainly as he's working in the Senate during the week.

See One America for his schedule if you want to know what he is doing.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:14 PM
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33. yup,most of it is things Kerry himself asked Edwards to do
most of the stuff outside the senate work and outside of north carolina are things that kerry himself has asked edwards to do.
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Darkamber Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:30 PM
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34. I love that He's going to Key Speaker at the TX convention
I just love the thought of Edwards in Bush's state and giving it to Bush in his own state.

From what I understand it was the Texas delegates who wanted Edwards there as their speaker. Though I'm sure it was approved by Kerry.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:39 PM
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35. many in the south are pushing for Edwards
it's no surprise many in the southw ould rather have edwards than kerry because of the prejudice some have towards northeastern liberals. i have no problem with this though. it's just something we have to deal with. there are some southern democratic candidates running for office who are distancing themselves from kerry but they would be willing to campaign with edwards. john breaux says he thinks kerry can win louisiana if he campaigns right. the good news is that in a few southern states kerry isn't doing too bad by himself against bush. putting someone like edwards on the ticket could push him over the top. kerry can prove himself if/when he wins to the south and maybe they will be willing to campaign with him in 2008, but for now we have to do what we can to win. there is a reason kerry had ted kennedy campaign for him everywhere but the south.
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:30 PM
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43. I'm Southern AND in a swing state
and I don't see a soul pushing for him here.
In fact, 129 of our most trusted political leaders backed Clark - all the rest split time for Kerry.
Our own Democratic Chairman, Randy Buttons, said the decision is Kerry's and he's leaving it up to him without pressure.
I really don't see much hope for a Kerry win in any Southern states outside of Tennessee (my state), Arkansas (Clark's state) and Louisiana.
I would include Florida, but A.) It's not really a Southern state and B.) As long as Jebby's there, I don't hold out much hope for an honest election.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:58 AM
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9. Kerry doesn't need a trial lawyer (and their bad name) on his
ticket. He needs a good military expert to handle the Iraq situation so he can spend his precious time helping Americans get back up on their feet and with all the economic issues.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:00 PM
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10. Kerry is the military guy
adding Clark would make the ticket too militaristic, plus Clark did poorly in southern states during the primaries.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:38 PM
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25. Not too much military on the ticket with Clark. Kerry was a
soldier and hero...Clark was a war planner and that is just what we need right NOW! Kerry's military experience was very different than Clark's and Edwards has none. Now isn't his time...maybe 2012.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:21 PM
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20. Tit for tat response: he doesn't need a lobbyist either.
But clearly, Clakr isn't just a lobbyist, and Edwards isn't just a trial lawyer.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:02 PM
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11. Clark is my first choice - but an Edwards/Cheney debate would ROCK!
I can't think of a greater contrast in demeanor than Edwards/Cheney, and Edwards would decimate him.
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:03 PM
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12. Kerry needs somebody strong on foreign policy.
Our international relationships have been seriously damaged. Edwards is a nice guy and cute but I don't know if he would be the right fit. I think Clark is respected around the world and would be a good choice but other people could work as well.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:12 PM
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15. *Kerry himself* will have to mend the relationships, not his VP.
You don't send the #2 man to undo what the Top Dog screwed up.
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:14 PM
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18. It's going to take both of them.
It's a big mess.
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:33 PM
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47. See! See!
There are three Tennesseans on this blog besides me that I know of and we're ALL Clark fans and/or think Clark would do better on the ticket.
This should tell you something, guys. I'm not making this up out of my head!!
And, most importantly, Tennessee is a swing state.
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cspiguy Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:08 PM
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13. edwards seems like such a lightweight compared to JFK
like Kerry's Quayle.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:10 PM
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14. in whose eyes?
certainly not the voters. Kerry and Edwards were 1 & 2 in the primaries.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:00 PM
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28. That's because they were the only two viable candidates in the race.
That's like saying a Greyhound and a cat were in a race and the cat was really fast because she got second place when the only other contestants were a mouse, mole and turtle. Therefore coming to the conclusion that a cat could beat a lion should he be added to the race.

I wonder if anyone knows :wtf: I just said?
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:06 PM
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30. ???
so what does that say about clark? he's not viable.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:13 PM
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16. whether one likes Edwards (and Kerry) or not
the fact is that edwards sure has proven himself during the primaries. and of course kerry did also by winning. in no way is he dan quayle.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:03 PM
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29. You are right...he is no Dan Quail...he couldn't spell and Edwards can.
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:37 PM
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49. Well, they are both considered
"good looking" and, in both cases, I don't see it.
:shrug:
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:22 PM
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21. Edwards was a better lawyer than Kerry was.
And he came from farther back to get to the same spot.

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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:52 PM
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31. Edwards is a better lawyer
than about 99% of them out there, and he's been out of practice for a while (although I'm pretty sure he was one of the Senators chosen to help defend Clinton, I might be wrong).

He can rip people to shreds and look good doing it.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:31 PM
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45. By what standards?
So Edwards was good at playing a jury and made a ton of cash. I really can't imagine Kerry claiming to channel an unborn child (thank God). Edwards, unlike Kerry, isn't even qualified to be AG.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:36 PM
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48. By standards set by his peers, for one. Both were in private practice
Edwards was elected one of the six best lawyers in the country by his peers, IIRC.

With every case he took the stakes got higher and he rose to the challenge.

He left the profession when he realized that there was no next higher step. He reached the top and the only way to do more good was to help people more than one client at a time.

Kerry's practice wasn't going anywhere when he decided to drop it and go into politics.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:38 PM
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50. I read that he received this award because
he made a boat load of cash playing to juries. "Over time, Mr. Edwards became quite selective about cases. Liability had to be clear, his competitors and opponents say, and the potential award had to be large. "He took only those cases that were catastrophic, that would really capture a jury's imagination," Mr. Wells, a defense lawyer, said. "He paints himself as a person who was serving the interests of the downtrodden, the widows and the little children. Actually, he was after the cases with the highest verdict potential. John would probably admit that on cross-examination." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31EDWA.html?ex=1390885200&en=4fb97ac07a96f186&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND


He left to help more people? Wow, I wonder why he spent so much time working on behalf of the corporations in DC.

Edwards’ legislative record — what little there is of it — is hardly populist. In fact, Edwards is a classic, corporate-friendly, centrist New Democrat. In his five years as a freshman senator, Edwards on his own produced little legislation, much less than some other first-termers — although he was assigned by Tom Daschle to represent the Democrats in negotiations over a patients’ bill of rights, and so can boast he was a co-sponsor of the final, but aborted, bill. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan04/Ireland0129.htm

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:46 PM
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51. Edwards was the fourth most liberal senator in 2003.
And he voted against Bush more than any congressperson running for president this year.

Edwards wants to be president because it's been hard, as a Democrat to accomplish much of value in the Senate since 2000.

You want to criticize him for having the bad luck of being a Democrat in the senate during a narrowly divided Bush administration?

All those Democrats in the Senate (except for Zell Miller) should get a medal of honor from saving us from total fascism since 2002.

Edwards was running for president so that he can could pull in more Democrats on his coattails so some good democrat could fucking SHINE in a Democratic controlled senate under a good liberal president.

That NYTimes article is the most right wing crap I've seen posted as an authority on DU and you should be ashamed of yourself for citing it as an authority.

You know that Dick Cheney was in favor of pooled fund for asbestos victims (to protect the profits of Haliburton). That article describes the exact same kind of defendant-friendly fund for medical negligence victims in NC and then spins Edwards as an ogre for being against it. Well, 100% of DU'ers were against the same exact thing when Cheney was pushing it for asbestos victims. Now we're for it just because we don't want Edwards to be VP? That's insane.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:13 PM
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17. Edwards on the ticket...
...gets four Republicans I know to actually vote the ticket rather than just stay home as they'd planned. Either outcome is fine with me. I voted for Gore, despite my dislike of Lieberman. I'll vote for Kerry regardless who he selects as VP.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:26 PM
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22. read the article and the part about bob graham vs john edwards
in regards to florida. i think that is very important and why i didn't understand the du poll had graham outlast many others.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:40 PM
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26. Edwards will be WAY ready to be President in 2012
Gep will not. Big Labor preferences notwithstanding.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:35 PM
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37. I'm very excited about JRE being out there working for Kerry and
Edited on Wed May-26-04 04:52 PM by chimpymustgo
other Dems. He's spreading his wonderful energy, warmth and charisma, and it's going to translate into votes and victory.

Kerry/Edwards '04, And beyond...
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:30 PM
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44. John squared
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:33 PM
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46. HA HA HA
Someone has a sense of humor tonight. Good thing to have around DU.
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