Bill Clinton reportedly terrified that Hillary is about to officially lose Texas

[NYCGirl]

Never thought I'd see the day when Bill Clinton was scared of anything, but it's here...

http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/bill-clinton-reportedly-terrified-that.html

You'll recall that the media declared Hillary the winner of Texas before it was actually over. Texas had a primary and a caucus, and Hillary only won the primary. The winner of Texas is decided by adding the delegates from both the primary and the caucus. Come this weekend, we should find out that Obama really won Texas. A NY Daily News reporter accidentally got invited to a private conference call Bill Clinton was holding today with Texas delegates. Seems the campaign is terrified that people may finally figure out this weekend that Hillary lost Texas.

And more on the private conference call:

Despite winning the popular vote in Texas, Hillary Clinton and her advisers are terrified that they’re about to suffer an Al Gore moment by losing in the pledged delegates race to Barack Obama beginning with county conventions on Saturday.

-snipped-

“A race this close, every delegate counts,” the former president said in a hasty call with 960 Austin Dems who are backing her, which The Mouth of the Potomac listened to. “The turnout could literally give Hillary the support she needs to win the nomination.”

“We can still win this thing. We’re going to have a big victory in Pennsylvania. It’s going to change the psychology even further, but we need your help,” Clinton said.

About 88,000 county delegates will meet statewide in Texas on Saturday to thin the herd going on to the state convention, where they will divvy up 67 caucus delegates between Clinton and Obama, in addition to the 126 primary delegates already decided.

“I just have to ask you to try one more time to make sure we get the most out of our efforts to get as many of these 67 delegates as we can,” a seemingly exasperated Bill Clinton said in the call. “We just can’t sit it out or stay home - we cannot get tired.”

Clinton said that while his wife has done great in big primary states, “it’s the caucuses that’ve been killing us,” and added that her wins in Texas and Ohio have improved her polling in Pennsylvania and Indiana.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2008/03/bubba-begs-texas-delegates-to.html

[ginnyinWI]

1. I think Obama will exceed expectations in PA.

That's been his pattern: he shows up, works hard and the numbers rise above the final polls taken before the election. He might not win, but he'll definitely show up and move some numbers his way.

[NYCGirl]

3. I agree. It'll close up a lot in the next few weeks. NT

[globalvillage]

9. The tickets for Obama's events in Pittsburgh tomorrow

went in about an hour. They're impossible to get, and there are waiting lists.
His HQ today was packed with people.
Not a Hillary sign or sticker to be seen.

I think he'll do a lot better than people think.

GObama!

[SKKY]

40. I sure hope you're right.

This could be the nail in the proverbial coffin.

[ginnyinWI]

41. Obama's got the ground game, that's for sure.

He outdid the competition here in Wisconsin by being organized on the ground, and by simply showing up and doing several smaller and a few larger appearances. Good thing he didn't count on coming in during the last few days only, because we had an ice storm that forced canceled rallies.

[DemVet]

68. Exceed expectations? Yeah, he may actually come within 20 points.

n/t

[slinkerwink]

69. hehe

:pals: thanks for keeping expectations for Hillary so high that if she loses by 10 points, we'll call it a win!

[DemVet]

71. That's like a football team saying...

...that if they come within 2 touchdowns, they'll call it a win. Whatever makes you feel good.

[slinkerwink]

73. :-)

:pals: I love you.

[StevieM]

2. Hillary won Texas, as well as Nevada. Obama's claims to have won those states are pathetic (eom)

[KittyWampus]

8. you are so far wrong, one wonders if you are a Democrat or have you been out of the country

and away from any news reporting.

No one claims Obama won Nevada.

And he won Texas which has a TWO part primary election.

[DB1]

10. Sorry, but you are wrong, delegates matter.

[wileedog]

15. Yeah, except for that whole "he will get more delegates thing"

Hillary is welcome to win all 50 states and the territories too that way if she wants.

[Cha]

22. No, your pathetic attempts to lie

for hilary show that her supporters are just like her.

[StevieM]

38. Well then, since we are all such bad human beings I am sure you will be happy to win without

my vote. The great Barack Obama can do much better then me.

Steve

[dionysus]

74. thats how you respond to getting busted for being a liar?

:rofl:
here is your banky, sir;

[pointsoflight]

27. Why is Bill Clinton himself still pushing so hard in TX, then?

If she's already won TX, why the conference call and why those statements?

[DUyellow]

32. define win.

[PseudoIntellect]

45. I've never seen anyone say that Nevada was won by Obama.

Just make sure you ignore those EVIL caucuses from TX. Ignore them and maybe they'll go away, right?

Only 65% of the TX delegates matter, right. The other 35% from the caucus: SCREW THEM, not enough voted for Hillary, so they don't count.

[StevieM]

55. The delegates count, but Hillary won the state. And Obama says on his website that he won Nevada

because he picked up a delegate while losing by six points.

Steve

[sandnsea]

56. Obama won the Nevada delegates

True. They tied the NH delegates. Also true. So in the first four races, Iowa, NH, NV, and SC - Hillary didn't out and out win one of them. She didn't win in January. She didn't win on Super Tuesday. She didn't win in February. She didn't win Texas, so she didn't win in March. She isn't ahead in states. She isn't ahead in the popular vote. She isn't ahead in blue states. She isn't ahead in anything except slinging shit, and the media and the public keep thinking they're going to find a pony.

[TBF]

46. 1/3 of Texas delegates are from the caucus -

and Obama performed much better than Hillary at caucus in Texas. They won't release the count until after convention on Saturday, but Obama will be the official winner of Texas.

[StevieM]

54. A "win" refers to a candidates success in prevailing amongst the people of a state. The delegate

argument is a seperate one. Bill Clinton lost Connecticut in 92 while picking up some delegates, and it was considered a humiliating loss. But Obama has changed the definitions around, just like he has sought to redefine what constitutes a win in the overall election, now saying that the so-called pledged delegates are supposed to decide. Which does not neccesarily indicate that he got the most votes--that's why he fought so hard to stop re-votes in Florida and Michigan.

Steve

[sandnsea]

57. So let's get this straight

The super delegates vote must count and doesn't depend on the will of their constituents or the people at all.

But the pledged delegates, who specifically are voted for by the people, are to be ignored in order to put the vote of the people first.

Is that right?

[TBF]

77. I agree she won the popular vote -

She did win the popular vote - but that's only 2/3 of the delegates. The pledged vs. unpledged thing will be interesting today. We picked all our people at the caucuses, but there's nothing to stop them from switching sides at convention so we'll see how it all comes out. After the caucus process I decided I was better at staying home and donating money (I didn't like the animosity and dirty tricks - and I fear both sides are doing it), so I gave up my delegate spot.

I have to admit I'm not very partisan, Steve, so alot of this is new to me (and I'm new to Texas so I'm just learning their system as well). But I do happen to be very progressive when it comes to issues so that usually keeps me from voting Republican. I'm also not a Hillary fan by any stretch so I might be biased.

Hopefully there won't be too many shenanigans today and the will of the people will come through somehow. Jill

[Butch350]

72. Oh Yeah

The "pissin" contest continues.

[BeyondGeography]

4. Whatever happened to a dignified old age, Bill?

The Clintons are a pair of empty old power addicts.

[Mags]

5. get over it, the Big Dog ain't afraid of nothing, especially of Barry.

[NYCGirl]

7. They're losing their power and they're scared. It's sad, really. NT

[Mags]

12. I'd bet my bottom dollar that he ain't afraid of Barry.

He will fry him before this is over.

[NYCGirl]

13. He's losing his power to a younger, better politician. Bill Clinton really will

not be "the first Black President."

[Mags]

16. He already was, so get over it, now turn your coat and

stick him in the back, he and his supporters can handle it. Barry is toast for demeaning the Clinton's, half of the Dem. voters will never forget it. Good Luck! Ha

[NYCGirl]

17. Hate to have to break this to you, but the toast is winning.

More delegates, more popular votes, more states. Good luck to you. Ha!

[jenmito]

18. ...

:toast:

[Mags]

21. gotta have the Clinton votes , ain't gonna get them.

[NYCGirl]

23. Well, if you decide to stay home, we'll soldier on without you. NT

[jenmito]

29. You don't want to betray your queen who said you SHOULD vote for Obama, do you?

:rofl:

[Mags]

30. I don't drink the barry cool aide, she is not my queen but my

choice for President. I am an independent mind. Follow the leader all you want, just remember where he leads you .

[jenmito]

76. I don't drink kool aide, either. His name's Barack. Show some respect.

I'm an independent mind, too. Wesley Clark was my original choice. Once I started looking at all the candidates, though, with an unbiased mind, I turned to Barack Obama. And he hasn't disappointed me yet. Whether he's behind or ahead, he's always the same person, unlike the one you worship.

[ginnyinWI]

42. his name, as you know, is Barack. n/t

[cali]

44. oh, I think both little hillypoo and little billypoo

are fucking terrified of Barack. He's kicking their asses. Of course, he is getting a lot of help doing it- from them. Toughh days for you hillbots. Tough shit for you. And I love it.

[tigervalentine]

61. I don't understand why you and Rush think the use of "Barry"

is insulting or belittling. (And since Rush uses it, I assume that IS the intent.)

He grew up being called Barry--and his African relatives often call him that--so I doubt that he is terribly insulted by it.

Using it accomplishes nothing. So what's the point?

[comrade snarky]

65. I think it's a lame attempt

To point out the "otherness" of his name. It's not normal and therefor it's bad. It's an attempt to call attention to it by making the reader or listener superficially think about his name.

He's different, you know, not one of us.

It's one of those cases where what a person perceives as an insult tells me a lot more about them than I think they intended. They think it belittles him somehow.
I've been thinking about this for days and that's the only explanation I can come up with. The one thing I'm not sure of is if it's being done to insinuate he's unamerican, foreign, muslum or point out he's black.

But it does sadden me to see it here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Alerted... racist shit from RW RACIST word does not belong here

[Forkboy]

63. Hell, you should see mags in another thread. Racist is being kind.

[dionysus]

75. i think we'll get over winning texas very well, thank you

[samdogmom]

6. Go away, Bill! PLEASE!

I am SO sick of hearing his comments...he disgusts me!

(And just for another thread with a real questionable poster....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So there!)

[MonkeyFunk]

11. Doesn't sound terrified to me

[jenmito]

14. He won the delegate count in NV, too, but they don't count THAT a win for him, do they?

Even though they should. But I thought I've seen it colored in Hillary's column.

[NYCGirl]

19. Nope, and they'll lose Texas by more delegates than NV. NT

[jenmito]

26. I know. Maybe that's why Billy's so upset!

:D

[jenmito]

20. I remember Bill saying to Texans that they need to vote twice for Hillary to win, that it's the only

state where it's legal to vote twice, and that if she wins OH and TX, he thinks she'll be the nominee. All people have to do is play that tape.

[rainbow4321]

35. Yep...and his "it would be a shame for her to win in the daytime...

only to lose that night" (meaning the night time caucus). You nailed it, guy, that is exactly what has happened!!

Of course, he was also the one giving out the WRONG information about the TX caucus setup. He told people the doors opened at 7 pm and if they didn't get there by 7:15 that they would NOT be allowed in...real deal was they started at 7:15 and would NOT begin til the last person signed in. Wonder if any of that misinfo was given out in an attempt to mislead people since the Clinton camp was against our TX caucus from the very beginning. They knew that a strong turn out at caucus time would have Obama winning the caucus delegates.

[CoffeeCat]

24. Obama will gain delegates in Texas tomorrow....

...and Bill Clinton knows this.

This is what happened in Iowa at our County Convention, which was a couple of weeks ago.

Hillary lost some support. Obama gained 9 delegates since the Iowa caucus. This was
mainly due to the Edwards delegates going for Obama, but it appeared that support for
Hillary was lukewarm.

If the delegates do not show up, there are alternates who show up. These alternates
are chosen and seated only if the delegates selected at the caucuses are no shows. In
Iowa, there were so many alternates that showed up, 100 were turned away. This is
totally unprecedented.

There were former Hillary supporters who went over to Obama, and almost all of the
other Obama precinct captains with whom I spoke, said they had met Obama converts, who
were once for Hillary.

Hillary has to know that her brazen behavior, and also her outrageous insults to the caucus
process--are not exactly smart. Delegates selected at the caucus can change their minds. You
want to keep in the good graces of those delegates. So far, she has not.

Tomorrow, we'll probably see some gains for Obama in Texas, which will formally demonstrate
that he did win Texas.

Tomorrow should be interesting.

[NYCGirl]

28. Wow, thank you for that inside look into Iowa, TwoSparkles! NT

[CoffeeCat]

34. I'll go to the District Convention next...

...and I'll be sure to report on that chapter, as well!

[Cha]

49. I'm so excited for Texas!

Thanks for your interesting analysis, TwoSparkles.

[rainbow4321]

25. Side note: Collin County, TX has to hold their's on SUNDAY

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/aconservativeview/gGBScd

There have been delays in notifying Obama delegates in Collin County about the date and place of the Collin County convention. From the Democratic Party of Collin County's website:

"The Democratic Party of Collin County was forced by the lack of venue availability to reschedule the County Convention for the day after most County and Senatorial District Conventions are being held around the state under the normal date specified by state law. The legal determination has been made that we must do so in order to physically be able to conduct the convention in a manner that complies with federal law, including the Americans with Disabilities Act, as the largest venue available on March 29th can only accommodate 800 people, whereas we are expecting 3000+ people at our County Convention."


The Collin County convention has been rescheduled to:


Sunday March 30th, at the Frisco Conference Center at the Embassy Suites Hotel in Frisco.

General Registration will begin at 12:00 noon.

General Session will begin promptly at 1:30 p.m.

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And to BILL Clinton:
You guys did this to yourselves...by taking TX for granted and thinking we would not matter. Dems in a red state, who needs them..your wife did and she realized it too late.

I'm not a delegate but hearing that our county convention is open to the public for "observers", think I may swing by to see what happens!

[goclark]

31. How I wish I could be there!

Please let us know about it.

GoooooooooooObama! :bounce:

[rainbow4321]

33. I will....

I'm glad it IS on Sunday cuz my Saturday is going to be **filled** with taking my teen daughter all over the place to get ready for her prom dance that night! Whew!
Just don't forget about Collin County results not being counted til SUNDAY, you guys, if they start releasing TX delegate stats Saturday night!!! BTW, Obama WON Collin County in delegates (in my precinct alone it was 2:1 for him).

[Cha]

50. Thank you, rainbow...I'm going to

make myself a reminder of that. And, have fun this weekend with your daughter's prom fixins, too. Seems early for prom? :)

[rainbow4321]

59. They changed the date from May 10 to March 29

due to "complications with the original date"...whatever that means.

They have it at Southfork Ranch (yep, as in the show "Dallas")..it's near the high school--it's what was used when they filmed the outdoor-at-home scenes for "Dallas".

Beautiful house/ranch--we went to the mini-museum and the house tour a few years back with out of town family. It's one of those places where you don't think about til you wanna take out of towners site seeing!

The school probably couldn't pick any other Saturday in May--with THREE senior high schools in the city, the other 2 weekends in May are prom nights for the other senior highs...then the school year ends in late May. Can't have 2 proms on one night around here--too many kids go to the other high schools' proms!

[Cha]

60. I hope the weather is good..I guess I'm

thinking of the weather up here in New York that will be in the 30's tomorrow..should be warmer in Texas, I hope.

[goclark]

53. Keep us posted

:bounce:

[Gothmog]

36. Texas will go for Obama on Saturday (and Sunday for Collin Cty)

The Obama people are very well organized here in Texas. The training session that I attended was standing room only. My precinct delegate chair has lined up all of precinct delegates to be at the convention on Saturday. It will be a long but fun day.

[Cha]

51. Thanks Gothmog! Good LUCK!

For anything unexpected!

[cooolandrew]

37. Bill more should fear how voter over-ride is perceived and rejecting their right to vote.

I was unsettled by seeing this with Bush but more so on our side.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

39. Obama is due to win Texas

Bill Clinton said Hillary would have to win Texas AND Ohio to stay in the race. Well she didn't.

[TexasLady]

67. and after Bush, it's sure nice to be so proud of our state!

[IDemo]

43. Oh boy. Time to call the movers

[Catherine Vincent]

47. Reportedly....yeah, sure.

Bill Clinton has weathered republican attacks for most of his political life. And he had a triple bypass. I doubt he would be "terrified" of his wife losing a state. :eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

64. Bill signed an awful lot of the Republican bills, and managed to get himself

impeached....and in terms of his triple bypass, he had no choice, and he's no "braver" than anyone else for surviving it. Heart disease is a tragedy, but not so much about being terrified or not.

[Barack_America]

48. Will the Clinton camp's reaction to Richardson's endorsement...

..affect any of the caucus delegates? Particularly the Judas comment?

Curious to hear your responses.

[thevoiceofreason]

52. It was statewide Hillary people

They sent me an invite, so I listened in. Bill gave up on Oregon and North Carolina.

[crispini]

58. Interesting tidbit for you guys --

Just got back from hanging down at the party office, doing some work for Saturday. Now, 90% of the old party guard are Hillary people, but they're trying to be fair, at least the ones I know. Around there you earn cred by showing up and working, so they don't mind me. Anyway, I heard the story related that someone had called them and said that she wanted to resign her delegate spot because she had changed her presidential preference and no longer wished to represent that candidate. (!) She theoretically could switch, but she said she didn't feel right doing that, because she was elected to represent that candidate.

Anyway -- just thought it was an interesting little tidbit.

[Gothmog]

66. That is inconsistent with the Clinton plan to solicit pledged delegates

Senator Clinton has stated that even pledged delegates are not bound and hinted that her campaign may solicit all delegates at a convention including pledged delegates.

[OzarkDem]

70. HaHa - I doubt Bill is "terrified" of anything

Nice try, though. :rofl: