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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:13 PM
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Forget Bosnia, HILLARY’S OTHER FABRICATION IS WORSE!
Waiting for the video of this to appear on MSM

HILLARY’S OTHER FABRICATION
Now that Hillary has been nailed in an outright fabrication of her role in Bosnia, it is time to remind ourselves of another, even more galling fantasy that Hillary tried to sell the voters.

After 9-11, Hillary had a problem. New Yorkers were desperately focused on their own needs for protection and they were saddled with a Senator who was not one of them — an Arkansasian or was it a Chicagoan?

Interviewed on the Today Show one week after 9-11, she spun an elaborate yarn. The kindest thing we could say was that it was a fantasy. Or a fabrication.

She said that Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9-11 and happened to duck into a coffee shop when the airplanes hit. She said that this move saved Chelsea’s life. But Chelsea told Talk Magazine that she was in a friend’s apartment four miles from ground zero when the first plane hit. Her friend called her, waking her up, and told her to turn on the TV. On television, she saw the second plane hit, disproving Hillary’s claim that “she heard the plane hit. She heard it. She did.”

So why did Hillary make up the story about Chelsea? Most likely to was because her co-Senator (and implicit rival for the voter’s affection), a real New Yorker Chuck Schumer spoke of his daughter, who attended Stuyvesant High School (Dick’s alma mater) located next to the Trade Center, being at real risk on 9-11. Hillary needed to make herself part of the scene.

She invented the entire story on national television, the Today Show, and didn’t blink an eye.

Her fabrication on the Today Show was no unique foray. It is her standard M.O. It gives us pause in evaluating all of her stories and calls into question her entire credibility.

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/03/26/hillarys-other-fabrication/
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:15 PM
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1. The term "pathological" comes to mind...n/t
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:17 PM
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3. Pathological is stamped on a forehead
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:17 PM
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5. She really pissed me off with her comments about Bosnia
As a veteran, I take comments like those as a sign of disrespect for Task Force Eagle veterans.

I will vote for a Democrat in November. I just hope it won't be Hillary.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:25 PM
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63. And what about Obama's major lies that everyone has been ignoring?
Obama has often cited his community organizing efforts to stop asbestos problem as one of his primary achievements. However, read below:

LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book." Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07

Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "…Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos." Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:16 PM
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2. I support Obama, but, please, NO DICK MORRIS SHIT
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:18 PM
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6. I know it's Dick Morris
But if he says it's in the video and not just some bs rantings from the right, then I'll take it and wait for the video to appear. And it will.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:28 PM
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11. next time, why not wait the extra ten minutes then, to make sure there's something actually to it
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:32 PM
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12. There is something to it
That's why I posted it. Thanks though
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:36 AM
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77. All there is to it is Dick Morris. No credibility whatsoever.
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 09:37 AM by Seabiscuit
Posting unvetted right-wing crap on DU should be grounds for tombstoning.
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #77
79. right wing
but Dick Morris was Bill's BFF!!!

hmm....
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:53 PM
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89. What's a "BFF"? And why can't you just spell out what you mean?
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 12:55 PM by Seabiscuit
Whatever connection Morris may or may not have had to Bill Clinton back in the 1990's, that does not alter the fact that today he is a right-winger with an agenda, a chip on his shoulder, and no credibility.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #89
96. BFF = best friends forever
texting acronym the kids use these days (boy, just saying that makes me feel old).
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #96
113. Oh, Gauwwwd... Now I feel even older.
I couldn't possibly have guessed that.

I don't even have a cell phone with text messaging, because I don't want it.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:20 PM
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62. Agreed... I'm an ObamaGirl, but Dick Morris is as loathsome...
... as any of the sundry RW-sourced links people post here.

Still, interesting story. But you've gotta take it with a grain of salt if it came from Dick Morris... who is the one who is truly deserving of Carville's "Judas" tag, IMHO. :-)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:33 PM
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97. Other than Carville himself, that is. nt
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #2
105. if it's true WTF? Clinton uses Fox and Drudge
I've seen crazy assed anti-Obama stuff up in here makes me cringe, it's so obviously gleened from some nasty basement think-tank

it's a pattern with her

the subject's in the news and all over this board

it's a good post
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. if it's true I want to know, if it's NOT true, I want to know
it's crazy out there AND in here
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:24 PM
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114. about dick morris
isnt it time we re evaluated dick?
i mean he was a victim of a clinton under the bus toss and given what we have witnessed in this primary season i think maybe dick may have gotten the short end of it
because he was early to the "clintons arent about us " crowd he has been savaged
maybe we need to look at dick again?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:17 PM
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4. This can't be true. It's way too obvious.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:20 PM
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21. As was Bosnia!
How many people knew the accuracy of the real story?
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
107. You may be right, thanks for the skepticism
I needed that

all I've found is morris saying he saw it on the today show 7 years ago

and a Drudge report rehash that I refuse to read

give me more

I'm going to shut up now
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:19 PM
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7. And she invented the internet
and she was the inspiration for Wonder Woman.

My wife was born in Kansas, married an Arkansan and now lives in Missisippi. Should I gouge her eyes out or just harvest her organs and eat them.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:21 PM
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8. I think I remember this.
Holy cow.

Chelsea was NOT out around the Trade Center?

:wow:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:23 PM
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9. This is true and was widely reported
Chelsea was not jogging when the planes hit. She wasn't in a coffee shop when the planes hit. Maybe she chose to go down and help after they hit, but she wasn't down there when they did.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:58 PM
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38. No, and most people called each other right away.
If Chelsea was staying with a friend, she probably spoke with her mother on a cell phone before the second plane hit.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:25 PM
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10. Jesus, Hillary and Chelsea need to keep their "memories" consistent.
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 02:25 PM by wienerdoggie
I wonder why she keeps putting Chelsea in fictitious harm's way? It's like Munchausen-by-Proxy.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:32 PM
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13. Can't we just say it?
She's a liar. L -- I -- A -- R. We all know the type. Remember when you were kids? That other kid who just could not tell the truth? If it makes her look good, or evokes some sympathy, she'll just make it up. David Geffen said it.....everyone scoffed. Now that the research is being done, the evidence is all over the place. Please tell me why I should believe anything she says?
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:36 PM
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14. The Big Lie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

"The Big Lie is a propaganda technique. It was defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".

"The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:<2>

"His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.<3>

"George Orwell's novel 1984 refers to the Big Lie theory on several occasions. For example:

"To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed . . ." <5>"
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:37 PM
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15. Wow... There is no level she won't stoop to
she deserves to be called on every one of these blatant lies that she's commiting at the expense of real people in harms way.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:45 PM
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16. She is trying to get this guy's job on TV to pay for her campaign
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:56 PM
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17. Dupe...another boring day at DU.
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:25 PM
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23. care to elaborate?
..
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:27 PM
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25. Maybe they mean we should be used to Hill's bold-faced lies by now...
so... it's old news... :shrug:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:09 PM
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18. What an embarrassment.
After this election, I never want to hear her name again. NY, please take care of that for us.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:20 PM
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22. It is very embarassing how can she even expect any votes
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:15 PM
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19. As much as I like Hillary, she is too flawed to be president
this vetting might crack the democratic party to the core.

She needs to step back, I doubt there is any more kitchen sinks.

The new president will be vetted on the internet, while old media is for rent.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:27 PM
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24. Yeah, hilary's
real likable.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:18 PM
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20. You have got to be shittin' me??!!!
This is really too much! hilary needs help, asap..fucking liar and she's too stupid to be dog catcher. I wouldn't turn her loose on the poor little unsuspecting doggies.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:31 PM
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26. Overblown.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405060002#20070529

and

http://mediamatters.org/items/200705290006

c'mon people. Snipergate is great fun, but let's not get ridiculous.
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:34 PM
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27. ....
SEN. CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:14 PM
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51. But she was at a friend's apartment
Chelsea said she watched the planes hit on television. Hillary said she was on a jog, went into a coffee shop, and heard them hit. Two completely different stories. I don't know why Media Matters thinks it's important whether Chelsea was jogging in Battery Park, that is completely irrelevant. Hillary concocted a story about Chelsea being outside when the planes hit, and she wasn't.
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Exactly
Lie after lie. Why she needs false valor to prove her point time after time?
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:45 PM
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65. I don't think you read both articles....
Neither Chelsea nor Hillary every said that Chelsea was out jogging that morning (she was "planning" to go, but did not). Chelsea never said that she was in a coffee shop with the first tower was hit -- she had out having coffee and had just returned to the apartment. Even if Hillary thought that Chelsea was still at the coffee shop at that moment, that's a pretty small and profoundly insignificant detail of an event where Hillary herself wasn't present.

If you read my other posts, you'll know that I'm not a big Hillary fan, but this reeks of Fox News bullshit.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:07 PM
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66. Think Again
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 08:08 PM by sandnsea
I don't care whether Chelsea was out jogging or out walking or out farting in the wind. Hillary said she was out doing something and had gone in for a cup of coffee when the first plane hit. That is not true. I am a mother. I guaran-damn-tee you that ANY mother had gotten every single detail of her child's actions on the morning of 9/11. You do not make the mistake of saying your child was out on the street, getting a cup of coffee, and the plane hit - when the truth is that your child was safe in their apartment at the time. Mothers do not make those kinds of mistakes, we just don't.
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:45 PM
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67. "she was tired"
again hah
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #66
75. My point here..
is what's the difference? She was in an apartment or a coffee shop around the corner. So What? This isn't the Lindberg Kidnapping here.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:45 AM
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78. Are you a parent?
What's the difference between your child being safe in an apartment, or in the middle of the largest attack on a US state since the 1800's??? Geesh. HUGE difference.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #78
80. Yes. I'm a parent...
and there's no difference between my kid being at a coffee shop or in an apartment, when said coffee shop or apartment are BOTH in Manhattan on the morning of September 11th.

And let me remind you the person who said Chelsea was "in the midddle" on that morning was Dick Morris, not Hillary Clinton.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:55 AM
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83. Yes she did
She said Chelsea was out, and ducked into a coffee shop when the plane hit.

Chelsea was in her friends apartment and watched it on television.

That is a HUGE difference and one that a concerned parent would NEVER make a mistake about.

She LIED. Just like she lied about Ireland and snipers and the WMD and god knows what else.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:33 PM
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84. This is ridiculously unimportant...
Her kid was in Manhattan on the morning of 9/11. What difference does it make if she was sipping coffee or watching television? Why would Hillary (or anybody else, for that matter) tell a deliberate lie about something so utterly inconsequential? Is it somehow to Hillary's advantage to have voters think that Chelsea was in a coffee shop?

The most likely explanation here is that Hillary isn't remembering the details clearly. According to Chelsea, she WAS in a coffee shop that morning and the WAS in her apartment. Hillary just has the timeline wrong. Big friggin' whoop.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:46 PM
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85. Yes, electing another liar to the White House
is ridiculously unimportant.

It is always discouraging to see the ones who become willing to sell their ethics down the river.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:00 PM
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90. IT'S NOT A LIE!
For the love of Jesus Christ, are you really this thick?

It's a minor detail that doesn't matter one way or the other. Chelsea's specific location is not important, and Hillary is probably just not remembering the specifics, as told to her by Chelsea, correctly.

Hillary lied about supporting NAFTA -- That's important. If you want to beat her up for something, beat her up for something that matters.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:05 PM
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91. It absolutely is another lie
I don't know. I guess when your kid is drowning in the middle of a lake, instead of safely in a cabin watching teevee, you'll get the difference.

She isn't worth your loyalty.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:10 PM
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92. Oh for fuck's sake...
I'm an Obama supporter!

But your analogy is beyond idiotic. Hillary never said that Chelsea was in harm's way - that was the lie from Dick Morris. The apartment and the coffee shop are in the same neighborhood, approximately 12 blocks from Ground Zero -- it's of no consequence if Chelsea was sipping coffee of watching television. Which is probably why Hillary mistakenly said that Chelsea was in the coffee shop (which she had been earlier that morning) rather than in her apartment.

I'll say again, if you want to bash Hillary for something, find something that matters.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #92
94. Yes she did
You know, I never even knew Dick Morris said a word about it. I remember it happening. I heard Hillary talk about Chelsea being out and hearing the plane hit, with my own two ears. That is what the woman said. Chelsea was outside, and HEARD the plane hit. It's another outrageous self-aggrandizement, like her 35 years of experience, and being a player in the Irish Peace Process, and every other outrageous claim she's made that has turned out to be false. It MATTERS.

And there are a lot of Obama supporters around here who still refuse to recognize what a disaster the Clintons are.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #83
101. Let's be fair -
It could just mean that Hillary wasn't listening when Chelsea told her what happened.

It seems to me that Hillary spends a lot of time not listening to people.
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #75
82. the difference?
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 12:01 PM by odelisk8
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:26 PM
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64. Thank you
I hope everyone reading this thread will read the first link before taking anything Toesucker Morris has to say at face value. I wish I could rec your post and unrec the thread.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #26
98. that "debunking" is not so clear
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 02:35 PM by hfojvt
"CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit."

It sounds to me like Hillary said Chelsea stopped for coffee after her jog. She was going to go jogging, but then stopped for coffee instead? "She'd gone."

But again, unlike Morris, and Buchanan, I would cut Hillary some slack. It sounds like a condensed version that sounds inaccurate because it leaves out some details. Also, Hillary is probably relating a condensed, remembered version of what Chelsea told her and Chelsea recounted more details for the article, and Hillary got the tense wrong at the start. Instead of "She'd gone" it should have been "she was going" for the whole story.

So no sale to the mountain that enemies of Democrats are trying to make out of a molehill.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:45 PM
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100. She was inside her apartment
She did not go into a coffee shop and HEAR the plane hit. Hillary said "She heard it".

NO, she didn't.

She was in her apartment watching it on the television. Two completely different stories.

I can't figure out why people can't get the drastic difference between being outside and in the middle of this horrifying attack, and...

being inside watching it on television.

It's not the same, and no, Hillary should not be given any slack considering we NOW KNOW that this is a pattern of hers.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #100
103. the Media Matters link quoted Chelsea's article
First, Chelsea had coffee with her friend, then went back up to her friend's apartment. Her friend called and told her to turn on the TV. Chelsea tried to get a hold of her mother to tell her she was all right. She got a staffer and started to relay a message when the phone went dead. So she went outside trying to find a pay phone and went toward the towers that people were running away from. She was standing in line at a pay phone when the second plane hit and she was close enough, twelve blocks or so, to hear the towers fall. Remember there was an hour between when the first and the second plane hit.

It's not as big a deal as Morris tries to make it, and I have enough policy reasons to be against her without needing to jump at every condensed or misremembered trivial anecdote and think it reveals something about her character.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #103
108. No, she did not hear any plane hit
She was not outside when the planes hit. She was inside watching it on television. The towers fell when she was on the phone, that was way after there was any danger. Chelsea was not outside when the planes were hitting and all of that was going on. Hillary made it up. A mother DOES NOT make those kinds of mistakes about their children. She LIED.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #108
111. the towers falling was as dangerous as the planes hitting
at least to a passerby. She heard the tower fall (I may have misremembered that detail) and that's what Hillary said in response to Pauley's question.

"JANE PAULEY (host): She was close enough to hear the rumble.

CLINTON: She did hear it."

Chelsea
"Davison called Clinton with the news of the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. Clinton turned on the television and watched the second plane crash into the second WTC tower, and tried to reach her mother in Washington, but after speaking to her assistant, the phone line went dead.

<...>

Panicked, Chelsea Clinton left the apartment and found herself running toward downtown "in the direction everyone else was coming from," in search of a public telephone. She was desperate to call her mother and her father, who was on a speaking tour in Australia.

Chelsea Clinton was downtown in line at a pay phone when she heard the rumble of the second tower collapsing."
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #111
112. No, the danger had passed by that time
It's just not the same. Unless you consider landing at a military base where there might be snipers the same as actually coming under sniper attack. She made it sound like Chelsea was down around the towers when the planes struck and it just didn't happen.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:40 PM
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28. Take Your Bullshit Freeperish Smears The Fuck Off Of Here. What Bullshit.
Nice false shit you got there. Next time post a bit more responsibly, ok?

What crap.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. For those of us who don't know.... what part is false, OMC?


Seriously.....


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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. Click On The Links A Few Posts Up.
Sorry, but I can't stand tactics like this and those that push it. These are dems here. Why are some acting JUST LIKE FREEPERS do and trying to completely decimate them? It's too fuckin much already.
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. really?
http://www.wnyc.org/blog/lehrer/archives/000064.html

Ok. Let's look at it from another perspective. A lie is still a lie.

"Senator HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON: She'd gone what she thought would be a great jog. She was going down to the Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and--and that's when the plane hit.

PAULEY: She was close enough to hear the rumble.

Sen. CLINTON: She did hear it. She did.

PAULEY: And to see the smoke.."

In November, 2001, Chelsea wrote an article in the now-defunct Talk magazine about the day’s experience, and this is where the contradiction arises. Based on press reports of the article, Chelsea doesn’t mention anything about a jog, but she talks about seeing the plane hit the tower on television in the apartment.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. Bullshit. You Are Twisting And Embellishing Just Like Freepers Do, With A Sole Purpose Of
decimating a Democrat. You are acting in a disgusting manner in which every member here should find unacceptable. Threads like yours are bullshit and disgraceful and should be shunned. You're pathetic.
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. right
I don't drink kool-aid
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. You're Probably Too Ignorant To Even Figure Out How To Mix It.
Your thread belongs on freerepublic, period. They love falsified and twisted ignorant attack shit there.
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. hah, funny
I don't see you on "bash Obama" threads

You and the influx of freepers on DU is well noted. Thanks
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Bosnia was a "smear" too?
Keep dreaming about Hillary.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. You're Pushing False Freeper Crap And Are Acting Proud Of It. Shame On You.
Your thread is disgusting as is your intent.

This is no different than something we could go at any other time of the year and see on freerepublic. Yeah, you should be real proud of your thread here... :eyes:
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. I'm fed up with Clinton and her lies
I don't follow with my eyes closed. I've been here since 2001 so no freeper here. Sorry

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. You Don't Have To Be A Freeper To Be An Ignoramus. Either Way, You Disgust Me.
No more food for you and your bullshit.
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. right
I don't drink kool-aid
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #44
56. You disgust me
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 05:00 PM by GA Democrat
Funny how I don't see you defending Obama on DU but you're quick to jump to Hillary's defense.

Leave DU if it doesn't fit your political agenda and vote for McCain. I don't care.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #56
102. You just hit the nail right on the head with these Hillary supporters
They're quick to slam anyone who criticizes their beloved candidate as a "freeper", yet they don't hesitate to use right-wing tactics against Obama.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #28
45. Lol -- nice one, OMC.
Here's the scoop. Hillary said the following
CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.

JANE PAULEY (host): She was close enough to hear the rumble.

CLINTON: She did hear it.


Chelsea says the following (this is from a UPI article about her Talk magazine article) :
"When the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, I was 12 blocks away, (and) nothing has been the same since," Clinton wrote in the December/January issue of Talk magazine, on sale Friday in New York.

...

Clinton had been staying with her high school friend Nicole Davison in her apartment near Union Square for a few days in September before she went to England to study at Oxford. After they had coffee together, Davison went to work and Clinton returned to the apartment.

Davison called Clinton with the news of the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. Clinton turned on the television and watched the second plane crash into the second WTC tower, and tried to reach her mother in Washington, but after speaking to her assistant, the phone line went dead.

...

Panicked, Chelsea Clinton left the apartment and found herself running toward downtown "in the direction everyone else was coming from," in search of a public telephone. She was desperate to call her mother and her father, who was on a speaking tour in Australia.

Chelsea Clinton was downtown in line at a pay phone when she heard the rumble of the second tower collapsing. Later she found Davison and another friend, and the three spent the day walking uptown. Chelsea Clinton wrote that she had an "irrational medley of thoughts" running through her head.



link: http://mediamatters.org/items/200705290006


So, Hillary's version of events is slightly off from Chelsea's version of events, but not so much as to warrant the level of vitriol I see in this thread. However, given the Bosnia Sniper flap, I think it shows a pattern of over-dramatizing certain events to her advantage.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:43 PM
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31. What a FILTHY LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. ...
Hillary Clinton "He says he's not Muslim. I'll take his word for it". That's when I stopped caring about her

She needs to go
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:52 PM
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33. More details about the incident:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #33
53. Says the same thing
Hillary said Chelsea went jogging, and the planes hit.

Chelsea says she was in her friend's apartment.

She went outside later, and heard the collapse. Unless you think Chelsea is so insensitive as to go jogging after the planes hit the towers and the pentagon.

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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #33
59. Actually that shows that it's Morris who's spinning, and the OP is falling for it
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 05:13 PM by Onlooker
Chelsea was within 12 blocks of the WTC and heard it collapse. The only thing you can accuse Clinton of is saying Chelsea was out jogging when in fact she was in an apt., but even that's not clear. Serves the OP right for quoting a freeper like Morris.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:55 PM
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36. GIVE US THE YOUTUBE VIDEO OR GET OUT OF HERE WITH DICKMORRIS BS
- AN OBAMA SUPPORTER

:grr: :grr: :grr:
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. here is another source maybe a little better
http://www.wnyc.org/blog/lehrer/archives/000064.html

Ok. Let's look at it from another perspective. A lie is still a lie.

"Senator HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON: She'd gone what she thought would be a great jog. She was going down to the Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and--and that's when the plane hit.

PAULEY: She was close enough to hear the rumble.

Sen. CLINTON: She did hear it. She did.

PAULEY: And to see the smoke.."

In November, 2001, Chelsea wrote an article in the now-defunct Talk magazine about the day’s experience, and this is where the contradiction arises. Based on press reports of the article, Chelsea doesn’t mention anything about a jog, but she talks about seeing the plane hit the tower on television in the apartment.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. its not a lie if you take her statement to mean she PLANNED to jog down there
Maybe she did plan to do just that on that morning. But she didn't because of the attacks.

So how is that a lie?

I swear this primary stuff is destroying peoples logic. I am an Obama supporter but I havn't lost my mind.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #43
54. That's not relevant
THINK. Hillary said she was outside and heard the planes hit. Chelsea was at a friend's apartment.

There was no jogging, no coffee shop to duck into, no being outside at all when the planes hit.

At some point later, Chelsea went outside and heard the towers collapse. But I highly doubt there was any jogging involved.

Hillary completely made up the story about Chelsea being in danger when the planes hit.
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:58 PM
Response to Original message
40. Hope this airs on MSM besides on Fox! She's f'g dangerous!
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:49 PM
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55. Here is hoping it does
...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #55
81. Here is hoping you get a clue and soon.
:eyes:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:03 PM
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46. Wow.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:01 PM
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57. This is not a big deal.
Hillary is talking about 3rd hand information.....where someone else was on 9-11.
It is easy to become slightly confused about remembering the exact elements of a past conversation.

This is COMPLETELY different from the Bosnia Lie where Hillary INVENTED a story about HERSELF and HER actions.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:05 PM
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58. This is not a big deal by itself.
Hillary is talking about 3rd hand information.....where someone else was on 9-11.
It is easy to become slightly confused about remembering the exact elements of a past conversation.

This is COMPLETELY different from the Bosnia Lie where Hillary INVENTED a story about HERSELF and HER own actions. Nobody "misremembers" being shot at.

Without the Bosnia Lie, this story would have no traction, but the pecking party has begun, and Hillary does bear some responsibility. The Bosnia Lie was so unnecessary.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:14 PM
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60. And she's so EMPHATIC, as if that alone was enough to render it true
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 05:27 PM by rocknation
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was no greeting ceremony. We basically were told to run to our cars. And that is what happened."

:(
rocknation



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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:18 PM
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61. jesus...even i can`t buy this shit
i notice the toesucker did`t include any date or link to his fantasy....
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AmericanUnity Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:13 PM
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68. Good Stuff! We need to spread this around. NAFTA, Tusla, No. Ireland, it all adds up to Pinnochio
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:24 PM
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69. in context of the new bosnia fiasco - this is relevant, habitual embellisher? nt
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:28 PM
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70. This is ridiculous. Ireland LIE. 9/11 Chelsea LIE. Bosnia LIE. HUGE LIES. Where's the media?
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. The media has been sweeping away the Bosnia lies,
and will continue to promote her.
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AmericanUnity Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:20 AM
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72. DICK MORRIS DOESN'T MAKE IT UNTRUE
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:47 PM
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86. The fact that it's untrue makes it untrue.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:48 PM
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87. Morris is lying. As per usual.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #87
110. Occam's got the goods. The Toesucker is a skeezing liar on this story.
Thanks, Occam.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:46 AM
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73. This sounds delusional.
Perhaps she is really having psychotic breaks!


Stress is dangerous.






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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:01 AM
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74. The problem I have is Morris and Clinton are Both Liars, can't believe either of them. n/t
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:13 AM
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76. k
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:49 PM
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88. A politician lying?
Who ever heard of such a thing?
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:13 PM
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93. Shame on her
The people that dismiss this type of thing only because of the democratic party need to rethink thier morales. Just because you like a candidate and thier party does not mean that you can dismiss anything they do that is immoral. I'm sorry but to try and gain sympathy from voters and take advantage of 911 is just wrong and if you don't believe that then maybe you should go talk to someone that lost a relative and really deserves our support for that day!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:59 PM
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95. I wanna see the proof. I wanna see the video. I trust nothing from Dick Morris.
But somehow, I guess it wouldn't much surprise me if this story turns out to be true.

Without the video of Hillary saying this it is nothing. With the video, it's the end of the campaign.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:38 PM
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99. Don't forget the NAFTA Lie
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:42 PM
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104. This post needs to keep floating... is she running for Jr HS President?
good grief
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:07 PM
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109. Do we really need to rely on the Toesucker?
If that's all someone can dig up on Hillary, then she's flawless.
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