UPDATED: Obama up by 21 points in NC...with link to poll...

[elizm]

I just heard someone in NC say on MSNBC that Obama will be up by 21 points in a new poll to be released today. Also, Rasmussen today has Hillary's lead down in PA to 10.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_032508.pdf

[mathewsleep]

1. boosh!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. snip snap!

[olkaz]

11. BOOOOSH!!

Killface must defeat Xander Crews!

[polichick]

2. Apparently voters don't like slimy James Carville or McCarthyism.

[tabasco]

24. They don't like phony combat stories either.

A LOT of veterans in PA will be turned off by Hillary's phony combat lies.

It DETRACTS from those of us who have served in ACTUAL combat.

[polichick]

30. I imagine you're right - what a crazy tale that was!

[Cha]

75. Apparently Voters are smarter than

the m$$$$m, carville, billary combined. Sorry Voters..I know you're way smarter than those goons.

[MadBadger]

3. Hmmm, I must have missed that...got anymore info?

[grantcart]

9. I heard it too - it was from a local report and passed over

[elizm]

12. Just heard it just 5 minutes ago...

They were interviewing someone from NC who said the poll would be out today. That is all I know.

[george_maniakes]

4. I think all these contests on voting day will be closer than the polls.

I cant see how obama wins by 20 in north carolina.

[Bullet1987]

14. NC allows Indies to vote...I didn't know that until I just heard it on MSNBC

That'll give Obama an edge.

[elizm]

23. NC also has important Governor's race I believe....so folks will have to make a choice...

...About which primary to vote in.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Whoa. That's pretty hugh!

[NJSecularist]

7. Anybody who thought Hillary had any chance of winning North Carolina is clueless.

or just engaging in too much wishful thinking.

I don't care what the latest polls said, North Carolina is Barack Obama territory. A sizable black population with alot of upscale whites.

[yardwork]

63. That is correct. Also, the Clintons are widely disliked in North Carolina.

I believe that Obama has a very good chance of winning the NC primary. Whether or not he can win the general election here, I don't know. Obama has a much better chance of winning NC in the GE than Hillary, though.

[jenmito]

8. I just heard it, too-21 points! He's Taylor Batten from the Charlotte Observer.

I was just going to start a thread about it! :hi:

[grantcart]

13. Here is the trend

http://www.pollster.com/08-NC-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

[jenmito]

17. Thanks, grantcart!

Looks good to me! :hi:

[Voice for Peace]

44. That's a real pretty picture! Thanks! nt

[elizm]

15. Thanks for catching the name!

:hi:

[jenmito]

21. No problem! I paused the tv to get the info.!

:hi:

[elizm]

73. Here's link to poll with interesting info!

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_032508.pdf

[jenmito]

76. Wow-GREAT news! Thanks! From your link:

"Raleigh, N.C. – After a week in which Barack Obama made several appearances in
North Carolina and confronted the controversy with his pastor by making a major speech
on race, he has expanded his lead in North Carolina to 21 points.
Obama leads Clinton 55-34 in the state. His gains were particularly strong in the
Triangle, the media market where his major speech on the war last week in Fayetteville
got the greatest amount of attention.

Obama also pulled within a 47-40 margin of Clinton with white voters after trailing
Clinton 56-30 last week, an indication that his speech on race in Philadelphia last week
may have earned him some points."

ibid

[dchill]

10. Oh no! He's gonna lose!

That's too small a margin!
;)

[BeyondGeography]

16. North Carolina: The Judas State

[dkf]

27. Oh my.

I'm thinking that James Carville's "Jesus" is Bill, not Hillary.

What think you?

[tabasco]

33. LOL!

Good one!

[snooper2]

18. Hillary is going to win Mississippi!

still laughing over that thread :rofl:

[helderheid]

59. I CAN FEEL IT!

:rofl: :P

[C_U_L8R]

19. Obama's rising !

Here we come !!!

[NightWatcher]

28. which poem do we get to post in here, or do we quote Dr Seuss?

[BumRushDaShow]

49. ROFLMAO

:spray:

[mmonk]

20. We're going to work our butts off to make sure.

[dempartisan23]

22. hillary is too busy dodging sniper fire, lol

[TeamJordan23]

25. New memo from Clinton camp: North Carolina does not count. nm

[chocome]

26. BS: Clinton 49% Obama 39% - only 55 % of HRC voters might vote Obama, and Obama is only up 1 %

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in Pennsylvania shows Hillary Clinton leading Barack Obama 49% to 39%. That’s little changed from earlier in the month when Clinton led 51% to 38%.

[tyne]

35. He was talking about NC...and

you proved his point about PA.

[Drunken Irishman]

36. Uhm, PA and NC are not the same state.

[elizm]

37. 49%-39%....Am I missing something? Is that not 10 points difference...

Down from 13??

[Dems Will Win]

42. um except she was just up 56-30% in last week's PA poll

that's a 16 point drop for Hillary in a few days!

Thanks for the great news for Obama!!

[Tarheel_Dem]

50. you are nothing, if not persistent. perhaps you had a Bosnia flashback?

NC is not PA, and I lived in both.

:rofl: :crazy: :rofl::crazy::rofl:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. Time for Hillary to leave the stage. Someone grab the hook.

[NightWatcher]

31. here we go again, call the movers

[ChairmanAgnostic]

32. too many Bosnians in PA, ergo, it is not an important state.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

34. here's some Polling Data numbers for ya

Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Clinton Obama Spread
RCP Average 03/10 - 03/24 - 52.3 36.3 Clinton +16.0
Rasmussen 03/24 - 03/24 690 LV 49 39 Clinton +10.0
PPP (D) 03/15 - 03/16 597 LV 56 30 Clinton +26.0
Franklin & Marshall 03/11 - 03/16 294 LV 51 35 Clinton +16.0

[slinkerwink]

43. thanks for kicking the thread!

:pals:

[elizm]

69. :)

:toast:

[jenmito]

82. Thanks for showing his vast improvement from the Wright stuff!

:hi:

[hell-bent]

88. You Obama surrogates just keep stroking each other.

But, the bad news on the most recent polling you want to forget,right? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

[grantcart]

95. lol did you even look at it? It cites the poll where he is up 21 ponts and the PA

poll that shows he is gaining with the lead down to 10 points

thanks for the links great news

[slinkerwink]

99. *strokes*

[DerekJ]

38. Did they say which poll?

[jgraz]

39. Damn, and he's all outta preachers

:evilgrin:

[crankychatter]

58. maybe his preacher has a preacher

this could go back to the seventh preacher of a seventh preacher

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. this is great news...we're gonna do it for Obama here....

:woohoo:

[goclark]

45. Weren't those poll numbers listed above 3 X's longer

a minute ago?

What happened on edit?

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. I'm not sure what you're asking? nt

[CreekDog]

41. yes, but those polls don't yet reflect the DU disruption last night

that probably helped her. :eyes:

:rofl:

[VolcanoJen]

46. Isn't that interesting? Many pundits have begun to say the race ends in NC.

On a high note for Obama, it's looking like!

:bounce:

[Perky]

77. I think that;s right

The Pledged Delegate is insurmountable unless there are blowout wins by HRC in PA,NC and IN.
If Obama wins big in NC it cuts into any momentum she might have coming out of a win in PA.

[MadBadger]

47. Here is the Poll from Public Policy Polling which has Obama up 55-34...add the numbers to your OP

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_032508.pdf

Obama within down 47-40 among White Voters and up 80-14 with black voters. Same poll had Obama up only 1 a week ago.

[babylonsister]

48. CQPolitics: Obama Leaps Ahead Of Clinton In North Carolina

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2008/03/obama-leaps-ahead-of-clinton-i.html

Obama Leaps Ahead Of Clinton In North Carolina

March 25, 2008 12:41 PM


Barack Obama has taken A Great Leap Forward in North Carolina by opening up a 55 percent to 34 percent lead over Hillary Clinton, according to Public Policy Polling which conducted its survey on March 24. The margin of error is 3.8 percent. This is a startling rebound from PPP’s March 17 poll when Clinton had closed to within a point of Obama in the battle for this state’s 134 delegates. Dean Debnam of PPP attributed Obama’s surge to his recent visit to the state and “openly taking on some of the controversies swirling around his campaign.”

The poll found that if former candidate John Edwards decided to endorse Clinton that it would make no difference to 57 percent of voters. Thirty-one percent said it would make them less likely to vote for Clinton and only 12 percent said it would make them more likely to support her. Obama has leads in the 20 point range among both men and women.

Forty-seven percent named the economy and jobs as the top campaign issue followed by 26 percent who cited Iraq. White voters, who made up 59 percent of the sample, favored Clinton by 47 percent to 40 percent while black voters, comprising 34 percent of the sample, supported Obama by 80 percent to 14 percent.

[Drunken Irishman]

51. Damn. I was excited until I read it was PPP -- I don't trust PPP.

Oh well, 21 points is way out of the MOE, so I doubt he doesn't have a lead there.

[MadBadger]

52. Why dont you trust PPP? They have been very accurate lately

They were closest in Wisconsin and had Clinton winning in Ohio by 9 and in Texas by 6.

[Drunken Irishman]

Maybe I'm going by earlier numbers.

It just felt PPP was off in a few earlier states.

[Robbins]

64. Media

They have been using Mississippi as the model by saying Obama can't win white voters.many states has proved that Is BS.Polls have often showed Obama Is more competive against Mccain here than she Is.Survey USA even before pastorgate had them In a dead heat.Now there Is no serious Obama supporter
who says Obama will win Pennyslvnia.Losing by only 10 points would be a victory especilly with all the coverage of socalled pastorgate.Hillary needs to win all remianing primarys by 64 percent to move ahead In dlegates and popular votes.It Is crazy to think Obama won't win any more primarys.

[Inuca]

53. INteresting numbers about Edwards n/t

[NJSecularist]

56. He has very little sway in his home state. n/t

[yardwork]

67. North Carolinians don't consider Edwards to be a North Carolinian.

Edwards was born and raised in South Carolina. In North Carolina, he's known for being an attorney who took on corporations who hurt people. The business interests in North Carolina made sure that Edwards is perceived badly here. The taunting is relentless. Further, he started running for president halfway through his first senate term - a lot of people took that badly. Then he built a giant house in the countryside while running for president on a poverty platform.

I liked John Edwards and I love Elizabeth Edwards. Unfortunately, the anti-Edwards pr in NC has effectively shut him down.

[BeyondGeography]

62. “Openly taking on some of the controversies swirling around his campaign.”

In other words, The Speech

[crankychatter]

55. If THIS poll doesn't favor MY candidate it's OBVIOUSLY BS

harumph

[loveangelc]

57. I thought they said Obama was up 20 in some polls and 1 in another...?

I thought they were referring to old polls, not a new poll that's coming up.

[MadBadger]

60. Idk, but the old PPP poll had Obama up 1, right after Rev Wright, and now hes up 21 with PPP.

[elizm]

66. No...a new poll to be released today has him up by 20 or 21 points. nt

[loveangelc]

68. Oh ok, thanks!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. fish tales

[HCE SuiGeneris]

72. Hillary apologist

[thewiseguy]

65. Give it up Hillary!

[loveangelc]

70. dupe

[loveangelc]

71. yay! NORTH CAROLINAAAAAAAA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-26bRZEedZg :P

[thewiseguy]

74. Obama's bracket has NC winning the NCAA tourney

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080320/pl_bloomberg/aiihl9xts4l4_1

So far Obama is beating McCain on the bracket. lol

McCain had Connecticut going all the way to the final four. They lost in the second round.

[Perky]

78. Wow what is the deal with an Edwards endorsement?

If John Edwards endorsed Hillary Clinton,
would it make you more likely or less likely to
vote for Clinton, or would it not make a
difference? If an Edwards endorsement would
make you more likely to vote for Hillary Clinton,
press 1. If it would make it less likely to vote for
her, press 2. If it wouldn’t make a difference in
your likelihood of voting for her, press 3.
More likely to vote for Clinton.......................... 12%
Less likely to vote for Clinton .......................... 31%
No difference .................................................. 57%

[DerekJ]

80. That’s weird

Why is Edward's endorsment seen as a negative?

[jenmito]

84. Maybe because people think that the only reason he'd endorse Hilary would be for a

position in HER potential cabinet? Afterall, he was constantly calling her the status quo, the one who takes most money from special interests, etc.

[Perky]

89. No this is about Edwards. They really do not like him for some reason,.

I think he is headed to the dustbin of history,

[jenmito]

98. That's possible. And it wouldn't bother me a bit.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

83. It's just as I thought. An Edwards endorsement is worthless.

It doesn't even sway people in his home state.

[marions ghost]

79. OK

:woohoo:

[malik flavors]

81. Wonderful News!

[Scurrilous]

85. K & R

:thumbsup:

[PM7nj]

86. How accurate has PPP been in earlier states? nt

[Bullet1987]

93. I've only seen their polls for NC...I don't think they're a nationwide outfit

Likely only in a handful of states...if not only NC.

[still_one]

87. I hope so /nt

[loveangelc]

90. Does this seem reliable? How is Obama up more with 45-64 than 19-29?

[Lucky 13]

91. BLAM.

Take that poll to the superdelegates, Hill.

[4_Legs_Good]

92. I'd love to see a total blow out in NC

Particuarly since PA will likely be a loss, it'll, once again, wake America up to the fact that Clinton can only win in states that are already locked up.

David

[Bullet1987]

94. If you go to Pollster.com you'll see that PPP is usually closer

If Obama is blowing her out...then that says 'The Speech' must've resonated strongly in this state. PPP were the same ones who said Obama was losing steam a week ago.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

96. Raleigh poll only not statewide poll

[loveangelc]

100. actually, no...

[quantass]

97. Jaw...meet Floor.