The Obama Doctrine

[FrenchieCat]

The Obama Doctrine

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_obama_doctrine

(about the author: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Ackerman )

[Scurrilous]

1. Great article.

K & R :thumbsup:

[FrenchieCat]

2. We need to discuss the issues, or else things like this will pass us by.......

And we really should be paying better attention to what is being offered to us.
Please Rec!

[ThatBozGuy]

8. Great article, Mr Obama said it best "Preemptive war is only perpetual war"

[FrenchieCat]

9. This article should be read by all "normal" DUers.......

Maybe I should have posted at GD? I'm thinking that is the case.

[ThatBozGuy]

15. It definately deserves party perusal not just primary junkies.

You should cross post it.

[culacano]

3. Problem: the "most liberal" doctrine doesn't win elections

Good news for us in DU, not so reassuring for the GE.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Depends on how Obama frames it.....and going against McCain's rationale which is the NeoCon frame,

We win.

Don't underestimate Barack Obama.....and don't underestimate the American People. If America vote for McCain over Obama, we will get what we deserve once again. I will bet that Americans are tired of spending billions elsewhere, and having nothing to show for it but coffins.

I think this doctrine is smart, and instead of the usual reactionnary Democratic worries as to what the Republicans will think, it is high time that we came out with our own view of foreign policy that isn't just a "lighter" version of the GOP. That's why we lose....and in 2006, when we won, is was precisely because we were promising something different from the GOP; an end to the Iraq War.

To be safe is to be sorry.

[ClassWarrior]

7. Thank you for your concern.

NGU.

[TwilightGardener]

12. It's actually not "liberal". My Repub Senator, Hagel, has identical

views on foreign policy, and even worked with Obama on the Global Poverty Act and on nuclear-terror legislation, and he is very conservative. They both believe in engaging "rogue" states to find a common purpose on which to start a very basic diplomatic relationship, they both believe that the human condition drives and shapes world events, and that it's important for our security to address global situations like poverty and disease, and they both disagree with using the barrel of a gun to enforce democracy. That's not "liberal", it's just a different way than the neocon way.

[crankychatter]

14. Centrism as a function of corruption is NOT pragmatic at all

it's not even centrism

it's just appeasement to pro-war demagoguery and a betrayal of the people

This DLC talking point is what led us into Iraq

the time for change is now

[ThatBozGuy]

20. Unfortunately the DLC is corporatist centrism with a few candy coated privatized social programs

[Cha]

4. This sounds so good and

when I read these kind of statements by Obama I know why there are such strong forces set out to bring him down.

[FrenchieCat]

6. I just think that it is about time that Democrats actually have something of their own

to offer. That is what Obama is offering; thinking out of the GOP Box. We should all be rejoicing this, and understanding that Lakeoff believes that Obama is one of the most oustanding framers that he's witnessed.

[ClassWarrior]

10. Kicking for Lakoff and O's frames.

NGU.

[FrenchieCat]

11. I moved this thread to the General Discussion Forum......

as this topic is too important to miss....and it appears that it is easy to miss the real issues at GDP at this time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3056687

[Cha]

24. I answered this last night but my internet chose

to cut out so I couldn't reply:( Sorry!

I remember when we wanted our Dems to take advantage of what Lakeoff had to say about better Framing(the way we make our case) and here it is in Obama And his Team!

[Voice for Peace]

13. Thanks for posting this, I'll have to read it tomorrow but it looks good. nt

[Asgaya Dihi]

16. Interesting so far, K&R nt

[sudopod]

17. You mean

we should send diplomats to other countries...and talk to them!?

HOW WEIRD!

[SunsetDreams]

18. Thanks Frenchie :)

I'm going to look at that later. I actually heard them talking about it on Randi Rhodes yesterday. The author was on there, and it sounded interesting. Thank you for the link :)

[Tatiana]

19. Sounds interesting... bookmarking to read later. Thanks, Frenchie. n/t

[SunsetDreams]

21. highly interesting and well

worth the read...I have saved it for future use :)

Thanks again Frenchie:hug:

[Skidmore]

22. Excellent article.

Thanks for the link. Kicking and recommending.

It is time to see who in the Party truly embraces democratic principles.

[polichick]

23. K&R - Excellent and great for campaigning!

I'll be carrying around copies for undecided voters ~ I've tried to explain some of these things but it's complicated and takes time, better to hand them an article.

THANKS :)

[FrenchieCat]

25. I agree!

and you are welcome!