They compared Bill Clinton to Joe McCarthy? WTF! This has been one of the dirtiest campaigns ever!

[chimpymustgo]

ever!! The politics of hope??? These people are ruthless, dirty and mean. I don't want any part of this.

[babylonsister]

1. Do you know the context or are you just outraged on general principle?

Here's the reasoning, and McPeake drew the appropriate parallel.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obamasupporting_retired_genera.php

[joeybee12]

20. Wrong and Wronger...more "interpretation" of an innoucous statement

by Bill...even Bill Richardson doesn't agree with the left-wing (read: Obama) noise machine on this one.

[EFerrari]

35. Bill sure has gotten innocuous this year. And he used to be

such a smart person.

[Kittycat]

40. Left Wing? You're at a Left Wing Site, LOL.

Talk about clueless.

And while we're on the subject of Richardson... Or as clinton surrogates suggest, should we call him Judas? That's far worse than what is being suggested of bill.

[C_U_L8R]

2. McCarthy questioned people's patriotism as a political ploy

So have the Clintons. It's a pretty fair analogy.

[redqueen]

48. Yup. Simple as that. (nt)

[QC]

3. Who ever imagined that unity 'n hope could be so viciously divisive?

I'm with you--I want no part of it.

[jakem]

4. read the story next time, not just the epilogue...

[chimpymustgo]

8. Please don't project your own ignorance on me. I know the entire story. Nasty. Shit.

You just don't go there. Bill Clinton is OUR former President. These people are dirty liars.

[ThatBozGuy]

12. A little civility please.

[jakem]

14. if OUR former President would stop talking out his ass, this all would not be necessary...

[Window]

31. Exactly.

[Mezzo]

39. he didn't say anything wrong, so blow it out yours. nt

[myrna minx]

51. I am soooo swiping your image.

:hi:

[babylonsister]

18. That's like saying respect * because he's our current prez.

I won't respect anyone who doesn't deserve it.

[Terry_M]

21. Yup.

I can already see problems coming when whichever dem candidate wins the presidency, and some of us start criticizing them when they do things that we generally disagree with... Some people will act just like freepers and other Bush supporters... No matter what our candidate does wrong, we have to stick by them and that sort of crap will be floating around here, hope it doesn't dominate.

[chimpymustgo]

23. The insecure Obamanoids are always taking shit to the nth degree. A hit dog will holler, no?

Get over yourselves.

[Cheap_Trick]

50. hey hillbilly

piss off

[JI7]

5. comparison seemed about right to me

[EFerrari]

6. Why is Bill Cliinton going around questioning the patriotism

of good Americans? These people are ruthless, dirty and mean. I don't want any part of them.

[LaurenG]

7. The problem I see is that campaigners are saying really stupid things

and then the supporters of those campaigns are not holding them accountable for their words.

President Clinton should clarify, apologize or just hush because they have been saying things in that campaign that are very bad for the Democrats in general. If you sling poo you must expect to get some on you.

[Dogmudgeon]

9. With four angry/ironic replies in as many minutes.

The http://quotations.about.com/cs/poemlyrics/a/Hope_IsTheThing.htm">thing with feathers is being plucked, painfully.

--p!

[workinclasszero]

10. If the shoe fits, wear it

Bill needs to control his mud slingin mouth.

I wonder if Bill and Hill are secretly helping to elect their good buddy, John McCain now that Hillary has no chance at the nomination?

[Tom Rinaldo]

36. Current attack meme lie number One:

"Hillary has no chance of winning"


which feeds into current attack meme lie Number Two:

"Hillary must now only be in this to make Barack Obama lose the election" (so she can run in 2012)


which feeds into current attack meme lie Number Three:

"Hillary really wants McCain to become President and hopes to be in his Administration"


These are the current talking points being used to take down Clinton, they have been seeded into the echo chamber. It doesn't matter that they are lies, they are good ways of tearing Hillary Clinton down.

These smear talking points ARE a scortched earth policy, because they insult the intelligence (literally) of the half of the Democratic Party that wants Hillary Clinton to win the nomination and become our candidate in the Fall Election. Repeatedly call the Democrat who half of the Democrats in the nation want as President a complete traitor and double agent working for the Republicans, and see how easy it will be to win Clinton supporters over to even vote for Obama in November if he becomes our nominee, let alone actively work hard to get him elected. Good luck with that.

I would work for Obama because I know how important a Democratic victory is in the Fall. The inverse should also be obvious to Obama supporters who are recklessly tearing the party apart with their constand demonization of a Democrat who has massive grass roots support. McCain wins a majority of Latino votes when he runs in Arizona. Latinos overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton OVER Bill Richardson when he was still in the race. And then there are female voters who see Hillary being taken down with every trick in the book and don't exactly like the implications of that. I am not even bothering to talk about white voters in general.

It is the same passive aggressive campaign being waged against Hillary Clinton on discussion boards across the nation. People honestly prefer Obama over Clinton for any number of reasons, and then they go in for the kill. The passive aggressive part is the constant accusation that Clinton is doing terrible things that in fact THEY are doing with their accusations. Accusing Hillary Clinton of wanting to divide the Democratic Party so that she can throw the election to McCain IS dividing the Democratic Party, and that MAY throw the election to McCain.

[madmom]

38. nicely said.... and I concur, thank you!

:applause:

[jgraz]

47. Insult your intelligence? Are you kidding me?

Is it not insulting to your intelligence to imply that Obama DOES NOT want to cover millions of people with his healthcare plan?

Is it not insulting to your intelligence to play the "we're gonna get hit again" card against a fellow Democrat?

Is it not insulting to your intelligence to repeatedly endorse the GOP candidate and then lie about doing so?

Is it not insulting to your intelligence to pretend that some states "count" and others do not?

Is it not insulting to your intelligence to create a bogus division between "caucus" delegates and "primary" delegates?

Is it not insulting to your intelligence to use state primary results to predict whether a candidate can win that state in the general election?

Is it not insulting to your intelligence to pretend that there is some determined number known as the "popular vote" in a set of mixed primaries and caucuses?

Is it not insulting to your intelligence to attempt to seat delegates from two bogus elections, work to prevent legitimate revotes and then blame the opposition?


And finally


Is it not insulting to your intelligence for your candidate to pretend that she didn't know damn good and well EXACTLY what she was doing when she voted to cede Congress' authority to declare war to a band of twisted psychopaths?



Seriously, if your intelligence hasn't been insulted by now, I'd say it's pretty much immune to anything the Obama camp could say.

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. .

:thumbsup:

[DemGa]

11. Just the nastiest I could have imagined

All the more so because the Obamanation pretends it is something else. If this thing gets in power, I will have no part of it either.

[berni_mccoy]

13. No. Bill SPOKE Like McCarthy when he said only Clinton and McCain love their country.

General McPeake only pointed it out.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. But he never said that

I've noticed that every time Obama fans seem outraged about something, it's entirely made up.

[berni_mccoy]

19. And the Obama campaign never compared Bill to McCarthy. See how that works both ways?

[EFerrari]

27. You know better than that. Both Clintons have been using

the same script. Hillary and McCain good, Obama not good.

Or, is this another "accident" of Bills?

[chascarrillo]

42. He said it. Deal with it.

When he said wouldn't it be great if we had two people in the general election who loved this country, he explicitly noted that there was a possibility that this wouldn't be the case. The only possible races are McCain vs Clinton and McCain vs Obama.

He said it. Don't insult our intelligence.

[Mezzo]

46. W R O N G (but I am not really surprised)

[Yossariant]

15. Obama is a gutter operative:

Advisers to both fault Obama camp

Advisers to Both Clinton and Obama Fault Obama Camp for Criticism of Former President

DARLENE SUPERVILLE
AP News

Mar 23, 2008 13:43 EST

Prominent supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama on Sunday both faulted Obama's campaign for allowing a retired general and backer of the Illinois senator to equate comments by Clinton's husband to McCarthyism.

"I don't believe President Clinton was implying that," said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a former presidential candidate who endorsed Obama last week. "But the point here ... is that the campaign has gotten too negative — too many personal attacks, too much negativity that is not resounding with the public."

Asked whether Obama's campaign was being too negative in accusing former President Clinton of McCarthyism, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Clinton supporter, said, "Of course ... the Obama campaign tries to have it both ways," he said.

Rendell said Bill Clinton was saying what many people think, that the campaign should focus on the economy, health care and the candidates' experience, for example, and not on race and other distractions.

"And instead they launch this all-out attack trying to take an inference out of President Clinton's words that no fair person could take," Rendell said. "It's an example of the negativity that Governor Richardson is talking about...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/03/advisers_to_both_fault_obama_c_1.php

[Redbear]

17. I voted for Obama but this is pretty ridiculous

How does saying Clinton/McCain both love their country = Obama doesn't?

[Yossariant]

24. He did not exclude Obama. Like so much of Obamania, this is more manufactured BS.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

[EFerrari]

30. Yes, manufactured by Penn. n/t

[Dawgs]

41. Did you read the quote you posted?

:crazy:

[enid602]

22. Pnac

And don't forget, she's also a member of Pnac!!! I read it right here on DU.

[Sensitivity]

25. Whenerver an Obama supporter tries to react of DEVIOUS DEMEAING by Clinton Crew -- OUTRAGE

It is all a cynical game by the Clinton Campaign.

.

[susankh4]

26. Unbelievable.

I just don't get how this is "the politics of hope."

[rateyes]

28. If the foo shits.

[Sensitivity]

29. STOP THIS CYNICAL FALSE OUTRAGE -- WE KNOW TH E PENN DECEPTION SCRIPT

[EFerrari]

33. Is it possible to break "ignore"?

I think I'm going to try.

[burythehatchet]

43. No, it is not. Trust me on this one

:)

[AllentownJake]

32. Fair is Fair

Wasn't it two weeks ago that Obama was compared to Ken Starr for having the audacity to ask HRC to release her tax returns. Then when confronted on the comparison HRC said that it was an accurate assesment. Where was your outrage there?

One rules for people with the last name Clinton other rules for everyone else.

[indimuse]

34. Yes! They DIRTY!

I try very hard to refrain from becoming as UGLY as these freeple...it's hard! IF I were to post all the info(TRUE) that I find on Obamessiah...there would be zero room left for the lies spread here on Hillary. Dirty Chicago politics are reeking all over Obam's cheap campaign.

[SoCalDem]

37. Y'know what's funny?

MOST people don't even know who McCarthy was..or if you asked 50 people randomly, I'm guessing a lot of them would say:

[burythehatchet]

44. oh my, the outrage! Let's watch that blood pressure. Don't want your head to explode.

:rofl:

[zulchzulu]

45. Bill knew what he was doing. Did you see him bite his lip after his statement?

That's a proven trait that he is lying.

[Cheap_Trick]

49. and the pot calls the kettle black

thanks for playing, dipshit.

[chimpymustgo]

53. Dipshit yourself. Congrats on such a Bush-like nasty campaign. Keep your hope to yourself.

Yuck.