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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:15 PM Original message |
Busted::Hillary lying sack of poo on sniper fire on Tuzla Trip....WHy is no one defending her? |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hey! I barely escaped some gunfire about an hour ago! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. And a teen got tased a few miles from where I am today - I think I felt it. |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. I don't know about you... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. I saw a police cruiser chasing a speeding motorcyclist yesterday and now I have PTSD. |
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ForeignSpectator (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. Reminds me... |
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Keefer (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
131. "Don't taze me bro." |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. A "war president" should have war experience! |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hillary lies about pretty much everything. nt |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
86. And WaPo gave her.... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sniper fire - Sinbad's comedy, same difference |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. SHOW SINBAD SOME LOVE!!! |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. It was.. the other day |
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kid a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. DANE COOK on exaggeration - funny |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. Perfect. |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
84. LOL! nt |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
94. I love how the comments section is always |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
122. Except that "exaggeration" would seem to be built... |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. K & R |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. This should be a campaign killer. Look at the standard that Obama is held to. |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. Because they only go after democrats |
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emald (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
95. hahahahahaah very good !! |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
62. Everybody hates fake veterans. |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. As long as people take her on her word and never educate... |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. my gosh I have known people like this-------- |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
13. If there was danger why did she let Chelsea walk along side her? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Is that a photo from that landing? When they were all running for cover while being |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I saw others and Chelsea was along with the Hillary all the way. |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #17 |
81. The child was a human shield? |
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RazBerryBeret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
96. There's EVEN video... |
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Greyskye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. Washington Post Caption of the above photo: |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. Hillary supporters: "She's grabbing the kid and running for cover!" |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #41 |
80. Ruh-oh. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. "I vant to bite your neck!" (Why is she hiding behind that child? Human shield?) |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
72. she put chel-seea's life in DANGER! |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
113. See she's ducking |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
14. 4 Pinocchios! Now you don't see that every day. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I think she consciously lies quite a bit, actually. |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. well, like I said, I can almost understand this one, sorta. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Well, to me that MI thing is not a question of judgment, or not |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
16. Hillarylies. Lies, lies, all lies... |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
18. Four Pinocchios! Damn. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. she can't help it |
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ForeignSpectator (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
50. Maybe that sounds more "romantic"... n/t |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
19. She simply cannot be trusted. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. Sniper fire! Yeah, that's the ticket! |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
67. Clinton campaign fires Mark Penn: hires Jon Lovitz! |
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DemsUnited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
23. Yikes. A four pinocchio whopper. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
24. Lying POS. No better than a fake Ranger or fake SEAL. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
71. The SEALS have a Wall of Shame id-ing all the guys lying that they were SEALS |
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futureliveshere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
25. Not surprised |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
27. K & R |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
29. WHERE ARE ALL THE CLINTON DEFENDERS RUSHING TO HER DEFENSE ON THIS SMEAR??? |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I almost died when I read this! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. There is no way to reconcile her words, and the photos and others' accounts. None. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. She really ought to make Keith's "Worst Person in the World" for this |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It should be hammered in the press--she's a blatant liar. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. They are rushing to the Bosnian Airport as we speak |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
36. Wow. She Xeroxed her experience. n/t |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. More like she photoshopped her experience |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Good one! n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
42. what a stupid thing to lie about |
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Submariner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
85. The hillbots have probably put DU on ignore, if not ignite |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
43. The internet never forgets |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
45. Like 99% of Hillary's experience, it's all made up. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. This onbe ought to be deadly. Its like padding your resume and getting caught at it. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Everybody hates phony veterans and this is the same thing. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
47. And the Award for all-time FLB goes too........ |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
48. She is turning out to be as bad as Bush and his lies. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
51. Was she wearing combat boots? |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
79. Maybe - the 90s were the decade of Dr. Martins ... |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
100. Worn by punk rockers, they were very popular during the late 70s and early 80s |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
52. pinnochio is dead to me!!!11!!ONE! |
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ForeignSpectator (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
53. So four "pinocchios", huh? Sure sounds like a lot but |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
54. "Ready on day one" |
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arrested_president (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Is There A Thread WIth All Her Lies? |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
58. Kick for Mountain Time! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
60. Hillary would have been in danger if this kid had been at Tuzla. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
61. Still no defense? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. *crickets* |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
64. Thanks for posting |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
65. Deleted message |
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. That doesn't support Hillary's remarks at all |
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chocome (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Have you been in a military landing ?..If sniper warning is given, they run as HELL from the plane |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. They ran like HELL to the little 8 year old girl |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #69 |
105. Sure, if the snipers are far away in the hills and there's a place behind revetments to stage the |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. She brought Chelsea and had a photo-op with an 8-year-old girl while under sniper fire? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #110 |
125. Well, he tried |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #110 |
126. LMAO! |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. But a laugh can be good. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #110 |
136. You're not hearing what I am saying. You have preconceived notions and haven't |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Has HRC off-shored her bloggers/disruptors? Being she's so broke? |
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The River (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Good Catch |
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Umbram (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #73 |
83. Stop. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
103. Deleted message |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. coulda, woulda, shoulda, but in fact, DIDN'T HAPPEN |
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ekwhite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #70 |
90. Actually, I have seen a male candidate do this |
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emald (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
115. uhmmm, how about *shit? |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 04:41 AM Response to Reply #65 |
76. That has nothing to do with what actually happened once they arrived. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #65 |
89. nice try, but there's VIDEO of the event... |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
98. "Fuck off Obama bots !!" Watch out for falling granite there, you little sweet talker, |
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TomBall Democrat (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
99. may I refer you to Webster's Dictionary |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #65 |
101. dear dipshit, being told it might be canceled and running for your |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
102. she might have been on the plain, but the plane itself landed in a |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
74. "Gore is a liar" redux. And our troops die in Iraq. |
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virtualobserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. the difference is that Gore wasn't a liar. |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-21-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
75. When Sinbad convincingly refutes your claims of foreign experience, |
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psychopomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
77. Oh, Sen. Clinton...getting outted by Sinbad, no less |
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Submariner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
87. This story reminds me of the time I took command of the sub away from |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #87 |
104. damn, that is cute submariner |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #87 |
121. Yeah yeah I t was me and some guy named Jack Ryan. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
88. She's been caught in worse lies--her supporters don't care |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
91. It's sad to see Hillary lying like this. |
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mhoran (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
92. My Goodness! |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
93. Hey, be fair. You can't fault Hillary for being at odds with the truth. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
97. Hillary arrives in Tuzla: |
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JTucker (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
106. Liar liar |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
107. I REMEMBER THE BEST PART OF THE TRIP-----> |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
108. Too bad the Wash Post story has been updated, eh? |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. LOL! Hillary claimed she was running from the plane with her head down, |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. No sniper fire? How about a truck bomb? That's much better than sniper fire..... |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #108 |
116. This needs a thread of its own to show how ObamaBots invent and twist and lie and smear - with glee |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. There is not a single iota, hot or tittle that disputes what WAPO said. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. There is not a single iota, hot or tittle that disputes what WAPO said. |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
109. This story is so powerful, it can inspire avatars. |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #109 |
119. LOL |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
114. Named after |
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4themind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
120. The tape ladies and gentlemen |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
123. kick |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
124. If you are calling out people who you think lie, why aren't you |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #124 |
135. Oh gimme a break.....Obama is not using false information to pad his resume |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
127. Thank God Russert picked up on thiis |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
129. Editorial disguised as a fact checker from a source that is |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Look at the frigging video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
130. Hillary's exaggerations about her experiences are as laughable as her resume inflation. |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
132. She is obviously lying |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. Different Generation(????) |
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