The Despicable Hillary Clinton

[Stephanie]

Unbelievable. It's Time for Her to Go.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/us/politics/20memo.html?_r=3&hp=&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1205978784-DYODfocUf%20PREVvCwoyFsg&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

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Finally, Mrs. Clinton’s aides hope that disclosures about Mr. Obama’s past like the one involving Mr. Wright could give superdelegates’ pause. Mr. Devine said he thought that at least in terms of Democratic primary voters Mr. Obama had turned the furor to his advantage with his speech on race.

“Obama, confronted by an issue that was boiling, seemed to wade into it with a speech that was in many ways profound,” Mr. Devine said. “As a result, now these people who were so interested and awakened by his candidacy are back with him again. Instead of this being a setback, it becomes an opportunity.”

But the audience now is as much the Democratic superdelegates, who are especially attuned to politics and questions of electability in the fall, as it is rank-and-file voters.

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers said they had spent recent days making the case to wavering superdelegates that Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Wright would doom their party in the general election.

That argument could be Mrs. Clinton’s last hope for winning this contest.

*edited for a kinder photo

[still_one]

1. The country is most likely going to through the opportunity away with Obama

just like they did with Gore, and I have no doubt that the Clinton baggage will NEVER carry her to the white house

[Jawja]

63. This is what depresses me so much.

Here we do have an opportunity to choose some real leadership; instead, I'm afraid the American People are not beyond race and religion and the stranglehold of the corporate media on public discourse enough to make this decision.

IF we can't get past these things that divide and conquer us, we will not be able to solve the bigger issues that loom over the horizon.

[Pringles]

75. Are you kidding me?

"IF we can't get past these things that divide and conquer us, we will not be able to solve the bigger issues that loom over the horizon."

Neither side of the Democrats on this board can get past themselves, let alone the entire country.

Everyone loves Obama's pretty words about open, respectful discussion and unity until they have to practice it themselves. Then it's right back to "he said she said" and "you poked me in the eye first." We deserve McCain and that's from just looking at this board.

[doyourealize1]

123. "Clinton is divisive" = "why can't we have our way"

sorry, Obama voters. The race isn't over yet.

Obama is a unity candidate, that's fine. I believe his message. But telling everyone that HRC is destroying the party because she is divisive is tantamount to saying "just let Obama win because he is my candidate".

[dano81818]

175. no, she IS divisive....

the mere fact that her advisors told the media that she would be "throwing the kitchen sink at obama" tells you all you need to know. she is a negative, divisive person... and she hides behind her husband when things get tough. people got a good look at bill in south carolina and decided they didnt want to send him back to the WH. I would vote for hillary if bill wasnt allowed to sleep there.

[youngharry]

258. She IS divisive

Hillary, unfortunately is the female version of George W. Bush. She will lie, spin, and propagandize and do anything without regard for ethics in order to get her way.

They way she is going, even if she is the nominee, she will never be elected President. Moreover, she has thrown away her chance to be on the Supreme Court, in the event Obama is elected President.

IT IS TIME THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN UNDERSTOOD THAT AMERICANS ARE NOT IN A FORGIVING MOOD AFTER 8 YEARS OF BUSH AND CHENEY.

THEY WANT CHANGE AND UNITY, NOT DIVISION WHICH CLINTON HAS COME TO SYMBOLIZE.

[D23MIURG23]

200. "Clinton can still come back"= Magical thinking

She has been out-classed in every aspect of this campaign and lost enough pledged delegates that she can't come back barring a verifiable act of God. Why should we be ok with the rovian smear campaign she is running against Obama?

[cseper]

222. Can you spell out what is so unique about Obama....

... other then the fact, that he is running as a black man? His only accomplishment is, he beat Alan Keyes, a transplant from MD, for the Illinois senate seat! That makes him presidential material? get real!

[wogget]

227. Inspiring more than half of the democratic primary voters

to support him (numbering in the millions), in a stong democratic primary field, is an accomplishment. Obsidian wings had a rather detailed analysis a few months backof his accomplishments. There is plenty of information out there about Obama's record. An argument from ignorance makes me think you can't be looking for an answer to the question.

[anonymeme]

260. More Than 1/2 According to Whom?! And I See You Can't Spell Out One Single Accomplishment of Obama's

More Than 1/2 According to Whom?!

And I See You Can't Spell Out One Single Accomplishment of Obama's on your own from memory, but have to refer the questioner to another post by a different posted long in the archives which would have to be dug out.

Which makes me think you are talking out your posterior anatomy and blowing smoke, hot air and gas up everybody's skirts because you cannot actually answer the question posed to you!

[Bright Eyes]

262. Then that would mean Clinton is running only because she's a women?

[Still-ill]

265. I dont understand

people how diminish Obama's accomplishments. The fact of the matter is Obama unified the democratic party and had a real chance to maybe even unify the nation. Hillary's basically tarnished that chance with all the mud she;s thrown at him. I'm not sure if i will be so quick to praise some one who's using Republican tactics to run her campaign. And I wonder why so many of you are not simply repulsed by her actions. She is doing the same thing that so many Democrats complained about during the last presidential campaign. Using negative ads, invoking fear on the country to sell her as being to most qualified. Even suggesting that a Republican who agrees with most of Presidents Bush's policies,is a better choice.

Honestly, none of these candidates has enough experience to proclaim them selves ready on day one. I suppose the presidency is a truly unique office, that requires unique talents and knowledge that no one job or one position can prepare you for. Senator Clinton is no more prepared than Senator Obama is or even former President Clinton before he took office.

Moreover, Hillary supporters never can explain her accomplishments. What has she done besides run for senate in one of the most liberal states in the union. I'm mean serious, does that make her presidential material. Get Real!

[Spiffarino]

245. She will be the most divisive Democrat if she continues with...

...tipping the so-called superdelegates toward her at the expense of the standard delegates, the voters and the caucus-goers.

If the nomination is decided by supers against the will of the majority, it's over. Hillary will not only lose the general election, she will become a pariah to a large plurality of Democrats.

I would hate to see all the good things the Clintons have done go up in flames just because she wants so badly to be President. She can run again in 8 years if Obama does well, and in four years if he doesn't. It isn't her last shot.

[SusanaMontana41]

259. Nice post

For once — finally ! — we get strong candidates who both are the American Dream personified. We're lucky to have them. But it's disheartening to see the Clinton campaign denigrate into an attack machine with a "win at all costs" attitude reminiscent of Lee Atwater. Those tactics may win elections, but they also divide countries. And political parties. We've had enough of that these past eight years. Enough!

I was deeply offended by Hillary's sarcastic "pie-in-the-sky" stump speech delivered a few weeks ago. As an Obama supporter, I knew she wasn't just belittling him; she was attacking those of us who support Barack. Now, whenever I see her on TV, all I hear is that "pie-in-the-sky" speech, playing an endless loop in my head. And I get angry about it, all over again.

She's a Democrat. If she wins the nomination I'll vote for her in the general election, even though I despise her campaign tactics. John Paul Stevens probably would like to retire from the Supreme Court, and we cannot afford another Roberts or Alito. That, and John McCain would be a disaster as president.

But for the primary election here in Montana, I'm going to follow Bill Clinton's advice and vote my hopes. And they lie with Barack Obama.

[anonymeme]

264. Obama's Paid Super Delegates 3 - 5 X More Than Hillary Has. He's Already a Pariah to THIS Democrat!

Obama's Paid SuperDelegates 3 - 5 Times More Than Hillary Has.

He's Already a Pariah to THIS Democrat!

And REAL Democrats would NOT throw the baby away with the bath-water and set a fire to all the good things the Clintons have done because Hillary has put up and incredibly strong fight against a smooth-talking Svengali 17 years younger than she is.

Only slick poison-penned pissy little bitches would even suggest something like that.

Are you well-paid for your prose, Spiffarino?

[Spiffarino]

276. Listen here...

If I wanted to hear from an asshole, I would have pushed out a very loud, very wet fart and it would have been far more satisfying than reading anything you have to post.

I'm flattered that you think my writing is worthy of cash, but alas, I'm but a humble hospital computer grunt. I don't get to play in the sandbox with the shills.

Hillary's strong fight consists of throwing bombs and causing dissension. It is provably harmful. A couple of months ago ANY Democrat would have beaten McCain in the GE. Now he's polling ahead of both. Take off your blinders, you finger-pointing dipshit.

[mythyc]

132. "we deserve McCain" ??????????????

:banghead:

please don't endorse the Rethug candidate on a democratic Bulletic board. If this wasn't your intention you should edit it. In case it was, I filed an alert.

[trueblue2007]

140. The Despicable BARAK OBAMA

[Megahurtz]

148. ...

(noticing that you have nothing to back up that empty statement)

[XtraProudDem]

154. Wow...

My ignore list is getting HUGE!

[jgraz]

254. Mine too

The morans are taking over the asylum.

[anonymeme]

267. WHY HASN'T THIS ENTIRE POST BEEN LOCKED IT'S NOTHING BUT INSULTING FLAME BAIT FROM THE JUMP!

WHY HASN'T THIS ENTIRE POST BEEN LOCKED IT'S NOTHING BUT INSULTING FLAME BAIT FROM THE JUMP!

Oh, that's right it's posted by the Obama supporters who like to claim that we're all equal while getting special privileges here at DU.

No flaming lousy insulting post even to a former First Lady and a Democratic US Senator is ever locked until the Hillary supporters start fighting back and then their responses become the flames that must be stopped.

Apparently a former Democratic First Lady and Democratic Senator, and long time Democrat deserves zero respect and the people who do this are like this now and will be if we put their choice in the White House.

Look for a long, ugly road of total degradation and disreputable disrespect if Obama;s supporters online are any example of what the Obama supporters are in real life!

What a total crock of flaming excrement this is!

[jgraz]

271. .

[Spiffarino]

277. Repect went out the window with her praise of McCain

She is a lousy Democrat. If she were anything else, she would have STFU about McCain and touted her own abilities. That she would give aid and comfort to a Republican - one who joked about her daughter being ugly - and disrespect a Democratic candidate tells me she'll do anything to become President even if it means letting McCain win this one.

Well we can't afford another Republican. If she doesn't think a 2008 Democratic Presidency is more important than it being "her turn" then I am done with her.

[gmudem]

218. You could at least spell his name right

Or give some kind of reason for saying that.

[dano81818]

177. i dont think it was an endorsement as much as it was an indictment

of the democratic party, which can't get follow its own rules and nominate a candidate. this has been very poorly handled and i blame dr. dean for it. did he really think he would get away clean with denying fl and mi their seats at the convention?

[earthlover]

196. Hillary endorsed McCain....no surprise that the Herd would follow the Herd Leader

[HooptieWagon]

253. I think you mis-read the statement.

The poster was saying that if we Dems remain divided, we'll get what we deserve for our divisiveness - President McCain. I didn't read the statement as an endorsement of McCain. Try actually reading and not over-reacting next time.

[me b zola]

231. Pringles... just one and then

:puke:

[seafan]

143. Self delete--dupe

[seafan]

144. I think it's the DLC party establishment types that are not beyond their own inbred philosophy.

And that is, that no outsider need apply for the presidency. The Establishment stranglehold needs to have its back broken. Figuratively, of course.


The American People are showing that we are ready to heal from our history of racial division.

[dano81818]

178. right! they're just like republicans

except that they support abortion and are better on the environment...

[NorthCarolina]

217. I Hope Real Democrats will vote to excise the cancer

that is the DLC by voting out all Democrats associated with the DLC. Doing so will by and large return the Democratic Party to its progressive roots and moreover will allow the party to actually offer a contrast to the Republican Party.

[N4457S]

166. Oh, We'll Solve Them...

...or only solve them as much as any issue in southern and midwestern conservative enclaves gets resolved when the people who control those states don't think it's a problem!

I can't see the Democrats coming back together now early enough and solidly enough to win the election. McCain made fun of Weekend at Bernie's but he is Weekend at Bernie's and we appear poised to put the son of a bitch in the White House.

Stunning...

...and BTW, Hillary needs to lay off the makeup. She's starting to look matronly.

[dano81818]

169. it's not so much the american people...

it is our own party! i thought we had left this divisiveness behind a long time ago. it makes you wonder if all the racists really did leave for the reTHUGlican party.

[polpilot]

74. How in the WORLD could a Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA democrat win???

WILL NOT, CAN NOT HAPPEN!

[N4457S]

168. Yeah...

...can't and won't.

Do you fly?

[dano81818]

172. the clintons, especially mrs. clinton, are very conservative...

aint to much difference between them and the republicans... wall st, corporate donations, etc... about the only 2 things that separate them are abortion and the environment.

[roguevalley]

113. she just about makes me vomit. she's turning off vehement supports

like me so fast, I could kick something. What a low class behavior. If our superdelegates ditch our state's support of Obama I will picket them. They will have no career here. And, I would say, I believe that will probably short circuit any attempt by her to do such a low thing.

[Megahurtz]

147. Did you say go THROUGH with the opportunty with Obama?

America will go through with the opportunity???

"Freudian Slip" I hope!

Hope and Change!

[mhoran]

224. Nonsense

Obama can and will win the general election. The time for real change has come. Hope.

[anonymeme]

255. What Opportunity? The Opportunity to Have a Slick Snake Oil Selling Snake in the White House?

What Opportunity? The Opportunity to Have a Slick Snake Oil Selling Snake in the White House?

Jee-zus, what could be more despicable than that?

[jgraz]

2. Her only hope at this point is racism. She needs people to be racist in order to win.

Sick, pathetic and sad.

[Cha]

8. Ah therein lies the conundrum...

hypothetically if she gets the nom with her racist smears how is going to win the ge without the Black vote or those of us who abhor her racist, extortionist candidacy?

[Skwmom]

21. By trying to blame it on the right wing media - her buddy Murdoch.

[Stephanie]

25. Too late! They admit it. They're busted.

Amazing.

[Skwmom]

31. They only admitted trying to persuade the super delegates. Using their buddy Murdoch to push the

Wright story is quite another. Plus, don't forget the Clinton's camp pushing this story on the net.

[VolcanoJen]

70. Exactly.

I could make a much more convincing argument to undecided superdelegates that Hillary Clinton is absolutely unelectable in November, because she lost the largest Democratic voting block that exists, and they're not coming back to her.

[Texas Hill Country]

92. the reality is that PEOPLE ARE RACIST. Obama was fine for them until Wright.

this is reality, as shameful as it is.

Is the ideal more important, or is a compromised win more important?


Answer that for yourself.

[JuniperLea]

106. I believe you are right...

Obama does much better in a caucus situation than a regular primary vote... this has been pissing me off since the elections began... when eyes are on people they are as progressive as hell, but when no one is looking, they are free to be their regular old racist selves. Sickening. This is one of many reasons why I think Obama's speech, effectively chastising Wright for his "racially charged" words is going to hurt his vote with some who have been sitting on the fence. Racists can't abide by someone being racist against them.

[Texas Hill Country]

121. you are right in many ways, and i think it is sad, but it is reality, and we need to win.

I love Barak Obama, I think he is wonderful in just about every way. I disagree with a point or two on his policies but...


I also love Clinton, I agree with her policies slightly more than Obama, but know that she is prolly shadier than he is... but after dealing with the Clintons for 20 years, I have a built in Clinton BS translator built in, so know what to expect, as I suspect everyone does.


What I do know, deep down, is that there is no possible way Obama is gonna get elected. Will I support him if he is the nominee, yes, but the sell is way too difficult.

Clinton is way ahead of Obama when polling only dems, and has been for a while. Obama is ahead overall because of his appeal to independants...

with Wright, and with McCain almost certainly going for Lieberman as VP (just occurred to me) the indy vote is gone.

Clinton is the only one that can win at this point.

[BrklynGreenDog]

241. Welcome to the land of cynics.

Thank you for being sane and insightful. The immaturity and venom of most posters is hard to tolerate.

I was thinking the same thing about Lieberman as they seem to be glued at the hip this week.
Obama could still defeat McCain if the idiots in Babylon tour is any indication. I agree completely with everything else.

[Spiffarino]

249. I disagree on one point especially

I don't think Lieberman rates so highly with indy voters. He's too pro-war and too deep in the pocket of the Republicans.

At this moment the Iraq Occupation is mostly out of the headlines, replaced by dire economic predictions...and truths. I strongly suspect that Iraq will come front and center before November or worse, Bush/Cheney will do the predictable thing and start bombing Iran. When that happens, indies will break in their usual directions with the conservatives going with McCain and moderate-to-liberals going with the Democrat.

And - if history is to be believed - indies will break toward the opposite party's candidate in a change election. Hillary isn't the only one who can win. In fact, it's just as likely her negatives will make it a close enough election that the Republicans will successfully cage Democratic precincts and steal it again.

Edit: Thanks for good and thoughtful post

[RaleighNCDUer]

234. Huh?

The racists are going to hold his chastising Wright against him? That makes no sense. If they were on the fence and he DIDN'T chastise Wright they would hold THAT against him.

And frankly, the flat out racists aren't going to vote for him anyway. There is truly nothing he can do to get the racist vote, so fuck em.

[me b zola]

237. Obama has won more primaries than Clinton

It surprised me to hear this truth. But with everyone repeating the mantra that gets put out there, it is easy to believe in the illusion that is being pushed.

Obama has won more primaries.
Obama has won more caucuses.
Obama has won more pledged delegates.
Obama has won the popular vote.

[RaleighNCDUer]

232. Obama is still fine with me, after Wright.

I didn't hear Wright say anything in those 6 minutes of sermon - clipped out of 30 years of preaching - that I haven't said myself.

[Why Syzygy]

173. The McHillabee Lynch Mob. exactamundo . Sad indeed. I hate this party.

[dano81818]

180. either racism or a big obama scandal....

those are the only 2 ways she wins and it won't be pretty either way....

[Leo 9]

216. Racism and the Right Wing Media bashing Obama 24/7 while hardly mentioning her, or

anything negative about her at all.

[JackORoses]

3. She is a Full Fledged Asshole and she surrounds herself with the same

[hell-bent]

108. Would the Messiah

approve of your use of vulgarity describing a Democratic candidate? I don't dislike Obama, I think he is a very gifted and a good person. What I dislike is his surrogates like yourself. Have a nice day, and FO will ya?

[Hepburn]

125. I am an atheist....and there is NO Messiah, OK?

So there is NO ONE but the mods on this board to approve or disapprove of what I say here about her.

If I posted my full opinion of Hillary Clinton, I most likely would be tombstoned for using language that this would entail.

Suffice it to say that I fucking hate that lying scum-bag Hillary Clinton. I hope that was not too sexist for anyone...don't lying scum-bags come in both sexes?

[NedSchneebly]

205. "I am an atheist....and there is NO Messiah, OK" ... suffice to say

you haven't got any hope

[Spiffarino]

250. Sad.

Why do you let Rush rule your mind?

[NedSchneebly]

272. I love RUSH ...

Geddy Lee, Neil Pert, Alex ... "Tom Sawyer" is my favorite song! How 'bout you? :headbang:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

114. yapyapyap Hillary's an agent of Satan yapyapyap agent of Satan yapyap Hillary...

sorry but the OP subject line warranted no other response



.

[PoliticalAmazon]

122. She's a full-fledged neocon agent

For the last 7 years she has done more to support the neocon agenda than she has to work for the good of the American people.

Hillary supporters must have LOVED the Bush Jr administration, because they are supporting a candidate who would actually be WORSE.

[NedSchneebly]

207. How ironic ... Hillary, a member of the VAST RIGHTWING CONSPIRACY!

Are you :crazy: or just :silly: ... I mean :wtf: ???

[Megahurtz]

152. That she does.

:puke:

[polmaven]

160. That picture must have come from the

same shop as the one with Kerry and Jane Fonda. Just because she is in the audience with John McCain doesn't mean a thing! They are both Senators...I'm willing to bet that there are photos of Senator Obama with McCain as well...There are photos of people with all sorts of other folks....Why, I think there are pictures of Senator Obama WITH HILLARY CLINTON! OH NO! NOT THAT!!!!

[natrat]

213. yea and bill hangin out with poppy meant nothing,

[polmaven]

221. I do think you will find,

if you s/w anyone in the know in the Obama campaign, that Senator Obama, with his wish for unity, is not speaking only of unity between the Democrats, but unity throughout the country.

Refusing to work with Republicans is NOT something an Obama administration will do.

Bill Clinton beat Poppy and denied him a second term, for crying out loud. Do you really think he was doing what he was doing for any reason other than attempting to unify the country?

If you do, then I think you will be very disappointed if Senator Obama becomes President Obama and doesn't immediately tell all Republicans to go to hell and eff themselves. If his would be a successful presidency, he will need to work WITH Republicans, not against them. He knows that...do you?

[RaleighNCDUer]

239. Bullcrap.

Bill was bff with Poppy after BOTH had left office and Poppy's son was shredding the constitution. Where's the fucking unity in that?

It wasn't just flying out together to look at the tsunami victims - they were tight long before and long after that. He deep-sixed the Iran/Contra investigations, the BCCI investigations and god knows what else to give BushCo cover. All to ensure Hillary's run.

And I WILL be very disappointed if there aren't a half dozen criminal trials of BFEE in the first 12 months. But at least with Obama there is a CHANCE it will happen - with Hillary, no chance at all.

[Megahurtz]

248. Here's another one for ya...

Do you want a continuance of the BFEE Agenda? I don't. And that's what we will get if either Hillary OR McCain are elected!

We need Barack Obama! We need CHANGE!

[TomBall Democrat]

179. That Makeup is a little frightening

I'm having a Joan Crawford flashback.

Not a Hillary supporter, but that photo is cruel and unusual.

How many eyeliner pencils did that take?

[Enthusiast]

161. Agreed. nt

[NedSchneebly]

204. Such kind words ...

[Cant trust em]

4. More quaking in their boots at the RW smear machine

Fuck the GOP attack dogs. I'm so sick of our leaders cowering to these assholes.

[tabasco]

5. She and Bill have exposed themseles for what they have become.

It ain't pretty.

[NedSchneebly]

208. It's amazing how easily life long Democrats can get

thrown under the bus! :cry: and by fellow Democrats!! :grr:

[Mz Pip]

6. I am so disappointed

in the Democratic leadership. WHere are they when this is going on?

[Cha]

18. Have you seen this?..

rateyes (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-19-08 08:45 PM
Original message
Please copy and e-mail to the DNC:
If you haven't read this thread, please do so:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Then copy every word to your clipboard and go to:

www.dnc.org

Follow the contact link at the top, and paste the message in the comment area and send it to the DNC and Howard Dean.

I did. And, I hope that if enough of you do it, that perhaps the DNC will hear it.

And kick and rec this thread to the greatest page, if you don't mind.

This message needs to be heard by more than just DU. It's the best post ever, in my opinion.

Thank you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5164267

[Mz Pip]

26. Thanks.

Their silence is deafening.

[liberaldem4ever]

107. I can't open the top link. n/t

[psychopomp]

275. I am wondering the same thing

Perhaps with Bill Richardson's endorsement we will see movement by the leadership to wrap this up.

[Skip Intro]

7. How dare she run for president? How dare she not step aside for the chosen one?

god, the bullshit sometimes

[Stephanie]

10. She proclaimed herself the Chosen One

Her whole campaign was based on her Inevitability. When confronted with a viable opponent, this is the best that they could do. Own it.

[Skip Intro]

16. Link? When did Hillary proclaim herself the chosen one? There won't be a link, will there?

[Stephanie]

23. Oh like you never heard that campaign theme before

That was the whole basis of her campaign, before she faced actual opposition in Edwards and Obama.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=hillary+inevitability&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

[MonkeyFunk]

55. She never said she was inevitable

her detractors did.

Bill Clinton even said over a year ago that if she runs, there's a good chance she won't get the nomination. But if she got the nomination, she'd win.

[Baby Snooks]

163. What she was promised

Hillary Clinton was promised the nomination and the presidency by the same people who promised both to Bill Clinton.

When are people going to wake up in this country? George W Bush did not steal the presidency from Al Gore in 2000. Bill Clinton did. In 1992. They are "neo cons." Both of them. They are part of the cabal if that's what you want to call it. A growing number of people call them Republicrats. They have hijacked both parties.

No one planned on Barack Obama taking the country by storm or creating the storm that he has. But the worst of the storm was actually created by Hillary and Bill Clinton and the rest of the "neo-cons" which is really short for "neo-con artists." Sums up both the Clintons best.

They, not Barack Obama, have divided the Democrats and in a way have divided the country along racial lines and religious lines.

Al Gore most likely didn't run because he knew what the Clintons were capable of. Now all of us do.

The deal included her "role" as the first female president. All eyes turn to Madame Speaker. Who if Congress had managed to impeach both Bush and Cheney would have become the first Madame President.

And that of course just wouldn't do for Miss Hillary. SHE was DESTINED to become the first Madame President. How dare anyone even suggest otherwise. Maybe Nancy Pelosi thinks everyone in this country is a fool. Not all of us are. She proved her loyalty to the party and to the people with her first piece of legislation as Madame Speaker. The minimum wage bill. Which excluded Starkist from the increases. Which she no doubt insisted on. Hoping no one would notice. Everyone did.

Hopefully she took Hillary Clinton off the table as well as impeachment. The Clintons are evil. And so is Nancy Pelosi.

Don't think she is? Read her comments about the Pink Ladies. About how if they were homeless people she could call and have them arrested and thrown in jail.

That sounds more like a Republican than a Democrat to me. Definitely sounds like a Republicrat.

[dglow]

176. Hilary's Prayer Group

Yesterday, an article on Huffington Post exposed a cultish prayer group that Hilary belongs to in Washington DC called "The Family." Many other neocons and right wingers like Jim Baker are members of the prayer group. Her affiliation was exposed in the Sept. 2007 issue of Mother Jones and will be the subject of another expose in another publication in May (I've forgotten which one). This group has some spooky beliefs, for example, worshipping Adolf Hitler and belief in some of the NEW WORLD ORDER ideas about giving all power and privilege to an elite group of people at the top. This affiliation is said to be the reason Hilary hasn't slammed Obama for his association with Minister Wright.

It's time for a people's movement through a third party.

[juno jones]

215. YES! I just read a number of articles by a man who infiltrated the

inner workings of 'the family'. His name is Jeff Sharlet.
Here's the blog for his new book:

http://jeffsharlet.blogspot.com/2008/02/blog-post.html

There you will find links to a number of articles he wrote (for Harper's, Rolling Stone, Mother Jones)about what is- behind the 'prayer breakfasts' and conciliatory pseudo-christian speech- a group that sounds nearly as dangerous as the moonies or scientologists.

Hillary, the paragon of feminism and a role model to all our daughters has been publicly involved all these years with a religious group that segregates the sexes and claims that democracy is somehow ungodly. Their stated purpose is to keep us in holy oligarchy where the 'right' people rule. People associated with their church and ministry, of course. The membership is not all senators and mucky-mucks. The not so prestigious members spend their time serving the higher-ups, doing the lawn work on their estates and living in sexually segregated bliss. Of course the women come over from their compound to wait on the mucky-mucks too.

Read the articles. Hell, if you can afford such things, buy the book. I read most of his articles last night and felt close to freaking out. This country has been in a very scary situation for longer than many of us realize. Names are dropped. Your hair will curl.

People need to know what Hillary's religious association with these people is. Perhaps she should repudiate a few religious ties of her own, I think she would have a hard time defending her membership in a group that segregates women and looks upon them as second-class citizens.

I was for Dennis at first, and I've worked my way up the chain to Obama and I'm stopping there. Hillary will do anything to be elected. And this is not a good thing.

[Debi]

90. November interview with Katie Couric

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/26/eveningnews/main3540666.shtml


<snip>

“Well, it will be me,” she said.

<snip>

[bvar22]

96. I saw that interview with Katie.

It wasn't just the words she said ("It will be me"), but the casual, smug, arrogant, entitled way she said them.

[Debi]

105. I remember as well.

This was two weeks after Iowa's Jefferson Jackson Day dinner. Where the Clinton campaign spent 3x as much money as any other campaign to fill the hall with her 'supporters'. $140 million buys you 3rd place in Iowa.

[Lannigan]

102. Anyone running for President...

...who can't tell an interviewer "It will be me" should not be running. Why would one run if one wasn't sure it would be them? A candidate has to act like the presumed nominee from day one if they want to be taken seriously. I wouldn't want to vote for anyone who wasn't 110% behind the assumption that they would be 'the one.'

I'm sure Senator Obama, at some point, said practically the same thing in interviews.

[Debi]

104. The poster asked for a link I gave them a link

do all you can to reason it away :crazy: they got what they requested.

[ForeignSpectator]

91. Here...

...she doesn't proclaim to "be the chosen one" but it's clear that she thinks/thought that way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V47-HRJUxmM

[emilyg]

34. She's my chosen one.

Go Hillary.

[Hepburn]

126. Get well soon, OK? n/t

[emilyg]

134. You, too.

[MethuenProgressive]

98. RW talking point.

Just like the OP subject line.

[Stephanie]

118. "Inevitability" was her OWN campaign theme

They built the whole campaign around that. Ask Howie Wolfson how that's working out for him now.

[MethuenProgressive]

138. Link?

[Stephanie]

192. Is your Google broken? And why are you playing dumb? We all heard it a million times >

====================================

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-loewe/where-hillary-went-wrong_b_87353.html

Inevitability

Early in the campaign, Clinton surrogates touted large national leads and a well-tested political machine to push the argument that Clinton's nomination was inevitable. Memo after memo, Mark Penn highlighted national and early state polls that showed Hillary with substantial leads. The logic was to make Obama seem defeated before the race had begun, painting all to follow as a pro forma exercise in democracy that would ultimately end, as expected, with Hillary as the nominee. The media generally peddled the Clinton campaign narrative verbatim, allowing the hypnotic tone of national poll numbers to seep a few layers too deep.
====================================

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1714840,00.html?imw=Y

Let's face it: All campaigns spin. They all try to put favorable glosses on tough situations. Back when Hillary was dominating the polls and Penn was churning out inevitability memos declaring that the race had stabilized (3/27/07) except that Hillary was widening her lead (5/7/07) and strengthening her lead (6/18/07) and better positioned than ever (7/9/07), Obama had to argue that he still had a chance — otherwise, why would anyone have supported him? Now that John McCain is the presumptive G.O.P. nominee, Mike Huckabee has been saying he believes in miracles. What else is he going to say?
====================================

http://media.www.browndailyherald.com/media/storage/paper472/news/2008/02/29/Columns/William.Martin.10.The.Biggest.Fairy.Tale.Ive.Ever.Seen-3244399.shtml

Penn has been the architect of numerous failed strategies employed by the Clinton team. First, he counseled reliance upon the aura of inevitability that his candidate possessed at one time, simultaneously compounding voter dissatisfaction and lulling the campaign into a false sense of premature victory. As a result, Obama was able to launch a strong challenge for the nomination while the Clinton machine ignored him.
====================================

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-loewe/chess-not-boxing_b_87761.html

From the very beginning, Mark Penn's default position has been to react to political realities in the short term, with little note given to the unforeseen complications that might arise. He based the initial campaign strategy around inevitability, responding to the short term national polling that showed Clinton leading, without asking what impact an Iowa loss could have on such an argument. Without looking many moves ahead, Penn steered the Clinton campaign far off course.
====================================

You're welcome.

[Stephanie]

202. *crickets*

Just as I expected.

[Why Syzygy]

233. That's one of the things I've hated about her from the beginnng.

She was Ms. Thang from the beginning. I haven't liked her for a long time and knew I would never support her. I liked Dennis and Bill, would have been happy with Joe or Chris, and would have settled for John. I had to choose Obama because I would never vote for Hillary. EVER! Now I really believe in Obama. I like him better each day. I don't think Hillary CARES HOW she gets the office. She believes it is her due. That comes partly from putting up with Bill's BS for so long. She wants her reward for being the patient, humiliated, injured spouse. I can't stand her. Every time I see her picture in someone's avatar or sig line I want to scream. I would not be able to listen to her screech for 4-8 years.

[cali]

14. she's the entitlement queen

Madame "It Will Be ME". Obama earned it. And more and more we see that SDs don't want hilly dear.

[jlake]

56. Denial...river... all that.

:hug:

[cali]

65. No, dear

that would be anyone who thinks it's likely that Hilly can still get the nomination.

[Cant trust em]

17. Those words could have come out of Obama supporters mouths two months ago

but I guess now that the tables have turned somewhat it's the Clinton people who feel that they're being slighted. Goes to show how short political memories are. It wasn't that long ago that Clinton was the candidate that was going to steamroll her way to the nomination. I am thankful for Barack Obama everyday so that we aren't stuck with one candidate of inevitability. Competition is good for the consumer. In this case, voters.

[Skip Intro]

22. I am thankful for Barack Obama everyday so that we aren't stuck with one candidate of inevitability

really?

[Cant trust em]

27. Of course I am.

When I think of the fact that had this guy not jumped into the race and I'd be stuck with someone who barely shares my values, I am grateful for him. To me, Clinton is a democrat, and little more. I'm happy that I have a candidate that I can get excited about.

[Jawja]

64. No, rather, it's

how DARE someone challenge her for her RIGHT to the nomination?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

84. The Bush Clinton Dynasty -28 years isn't enough

BUSH BUSH BUSH, CLINTON CLINTON, BUSH BUSH, ?? ??

Some people want to be owned by this dynasty.

[NedSchneebly]

210. You said it! ...

[Cant trust em]

9. I agree with your point, but can we tone down the name calling?

Look, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I'm 100% in Obama's corner, but I'd really like for the bashing of Democratic candidates to stop. You totally have a fair point at the criticism of Hillary's tactics, but when she loses the nomination she's still going to be one of our senators. Like I said, I'm not one of her supporters, but I don't see any upside to calling her despicable.

[Stephanie]

15. My apologies to The Unsinkable Molly Brown

But HRC deserves this title. Shame on her. Not only does she want to overturn the election via superdelegates, but she wants to do it by race-baiting. I call it like I see it. It's despicable.

[Cant trust em]

29. If she magically wins the nomination by popular vote, will you still vote for her?

Obviously it's a mathematical long shot at this point, but let's play the hypothetical game. Will you still vote for the democrat on the ticket?

[Stephanie]

32. Honestly I am so repulsed I don't know if I could do it.

I live in New York so I could safely vote Green. Who else is running?

[Cant trust em]

37. I'm too committed to seeing a Dem in the White House to entertain other notions this year

It's been a pretty long 8 years politically so even though I don't support senator Clinton I see her as a helluvalot better than that guy from Arizona. But like you said, you live in NYC and I live in San Francisco so maybe we can get away with it this time. Though I really hope that not too many people see it that way.

[chemenger]

72. NO! If HRC is the Democratic candidate on the GE in November

I will not vote. IMO, she and McCain are indistinguishable. I cannot stomach either one.

[bvar22]

95. You MUST go vote, even if NOT for Hillary.

A Hillary nomination will be a bloodbath for the down ticket Dems. They will need your help.
So go vote, just write in someone else for the "President" spot.

[Why Syzygy]

214. Ditto. I won't vote for either of the DINO racists.

Ron Paul is very popular around here.

[anonymeme]

266. WHY HASN'T THIS ENTIRE POST BEEN LOCKED IT'S NOTHING BUT INSULTING FLAME BAIT FROM THE JUMP!

WHY HASN'T THIS ENTIRE POST BEEN LOCKED IT'S NOTHING BUT INSULTING FLAME BAIT FROM THE JUMP!

Oh, that's right it's posted by the Obama supporters who like to claim that we're all equal while getting special privileges here at DU.

No flaming lousy insulting post even to a former First Lady and a Democratic US Senator is ever locked until the Hillary supporters start fighting back and then their responses become the flames that must be stopped.

Apparently a former Democratic First Lady and Democratic Senator, and long time Democrat deserves zero respect and the people who do this are like this now and will be if we put their choice in the White House.

Look for a long, ugly road of total degradation and disreputable disrespect if Obama;s supporters online are any example of what the Obama supporters are in real life!

What a total crock of flaming excrement this is!

[burythehatchet]

109. Not a frickin chance in hell

[Hepburn]

128. There is NO way at this point in time I would vote for her for dog catcher....

...so don't even go there on asking if I would vote for lying scum like Hillary Clinton for POTUS. Not only, no, but HELL FUCKING NO!!!! :grr:

[Why Syzygy]

225. We have had 16 years of cheaters in the Whitehouse. Time for a change.

[snappyturtle]

182. How can that happen? I thought the nominee has to have the most

delegates not votes (as in popular vote).

[Cant trust em]

190. Wouldn't winning the popular vote get you the most delegates?

Maybe I'm missing something here.

[snappyturtle]

198. Yes you are missing something. It's like the electoral votes in a

general election. A candidate can win the popluar vote and lose the election to electoral votes. By early June you will see an example. Sen.Clinton won the popular vote in TX by a hundred thousand votes or so but she will not have the greatest number of delegates.

[Cant trust em]

209. Oh right. Caucuses.

Let me rephrase my initial post then. If she wins the nomination on pledged delegates, would you still vote for her?

[snappyturtle]

274. If she has the highest number of pledged delegates nationwide

she would be the nominee! In Texas, unlike other caucus states, only one-third of the delegates are selected through the caucus process. Two-thirds come from the primary vote.

Would I vote for her? I suppose if push comes to shove I will but, I would do it holding my nose. I will not vote for McCain, that I know for certain.

[illumn8d]

186. Not a chance...

I will find another third party option. I can't vote for her. If I lived in a swing state I probably would, but I don't.

[Skwmom]

83. What she is doing is despicable. Not only to the Democratic party but to this country.

[Catherina]

11. To hell with you Hillary. You disgust me n/t

[Binka]

51. She is The Mariah Carey Of Politics

Wretched warbling bird. Replete with the bumblebee suit.

[Stephanie]

135. I liked the thread that called her the Tonya Harding of politics

She won't kneecap you herself - she'll have her flunkies do it.

[BeyondGeography]

12. While the Republican nominee states that it shouldn't be an issue

because he knows Sen. Obama doesn't hold the same views as his pastor.

That makes Hillary the least honorable person left in the race. But we knew that already.

PS: Why would black voters ever support you again, Hillary?

[Tom Rinaldo]

40. Apples and oranges

Whether it should or will be an issue are two completely different things. McCain can say it should not be an issue from the high road all he wants but do you doubt for an instant that there will be an at least an underground Republican effort coordinated by talk show jocks and FOX News to make sure that it IS an issue if Obama wins the nomination?

And there were several days during which it seemed like Obama was trying to duck dealing effectively with the Wright controversy before he delivered his speech on race in America. At that point it was looking to me like he was playing a losing hand that could lose us the Presidency to Republicans in November.

I did not think it was a viable position for Obama to take that he never personally heard Wright say those types of controversial statements while Obama was sitting in a pew. I think it would have unraveled on him and come back to haunt him big time. Obama shifted into a higher gear with the speech he made that acknowledged he knew about many of Reverend Wright's feelings. Before he did I thought he had painted a huge target on his back, the way that Gary Hart once did when he dared the media to find proof that he was having an affair.

[BeyondGeography]

46. I really don't see the point to her candidacy anymore

The only way she wins at this point is if white voters essentially penalize Obama for continuing to attend services given by Rev. Wright even though he disagreed with some of his more incendiary language. This will demoralize black voters to the point where Hillary won't be viable in November as the nominee.

She had a chance to say something persuasive this weekend about the unfairness of holding Obama accountable for things he never said or believed. This would have been not only honorable but politically smart on her part. If Rev. Wright proves fatal to Obama, she could always tell black voters that she stuck her neck out to defend Obama at a difficult and politically courageous time.

Instead, she's doing what she always does; talking out of both sides of her mouth. Circulating memos on the one hand that say "lay off" Rev. Wright while lobbying SD's behind the scenes. You really think people won't notice this shit and hold it against her?

If Rev. Wright brings down Obama, nobody comes out intact and we all lose in November. It's that simple.

[Stephanie]

47. While it's ok to stick by your husband as he accepts multi-million dollar pay-offs from whoever -

from whoever will pay, that's okay! Frank Giustra, Saudi Arabia! It's all good!

[PoliticalAmazon]

124. The point is that she WANTS it, and is using her typical me-first ham-fisted way to get it

[Skwmom]

73. If you doubt for an instant that the Clintons have an underground coordinated

effort to push the Wright story, well all I can say is take off the rose colored glasses.

[bvar22]

100. I went to Church for 20 years.

I don't think I ever really heard a single word any Preacher said.
I certainly cannot recall a single sermon.

(I tend to daydream when things are boring.)

I certainly recall many speeches I attended during the VietNam War.
I heard many vets, and families of dead soldiers scream out "God Damn the USA...Fuck the USA".
I cheered them and felt they were true patriots.
I salute them today.
:patriot:

[Skwmom]

13. Her surrogates like Didi Meyers are saying how this has doomed Obama and her buddy Murdoch

is constantly pushing the Wright story.

At first I wondered why Fox would push this so hard (yeah I know they are terrified of Obama getting the nomination but why alienate the black vote when the Republicans have been trying to get a bigger percentage of that vote for years and the Clintons have basically done their job for them).

But then when you consider the Murdoch/Clinton relationship, the fact that he helped her win in NH (the around the clock coverage about poor Hillary, how her friend Murdoch had turned on her, had run that terrible picture of her in a panic and the one with her face on a record saying She's so Yesterday, and Bill Clinton's rhetoric about how he couldn't make her taller, younger, a man, etc. brought the sympathy voters out in droves) it becomes pretty obvious. The Clintons are using their buddy Murdoch to push the Wright story.

Spare me the "Murdoch's paper endorsed Obama." It was NOT an endorsement of Obama and included the same false memes pushed by the Clinton camp.

[Stephanie]

19. She certainly appreciated the fundraiser he threw for her.

I wonder what that money went for? Suites at the Four Seasons? Flowers? Parking? If she'd spent it on organizers she might not have found herself in this position.

[Skwmom]

28. When people figure this out, and they will b/c contrary to the belief of the

Clinton camp (who espouse one stupid argument after another) people aren't stupid, then the real **** is going to hit the fan. She can forget about November or any 2012 backup plan. Edwards might want to rethink that endorsement. Nothing like jumping aboard the Clinton Titanic just before it goes down.

[oasis]

53. The Obama's mentor and spiritual leader for twenty years had no influence on them.

It's a hard sell to mainstream American voters. Like it or not, it is what it is.

[Texas Hill Country]

97. very hard sell, especially when it puts the lapel pin, the hand over the heart & wifes comments

into a context... whether it is the correct context or not, doesnt matter... it is a context, and one that makes sense.

[oasis]

133. Americans demand that their presidents be unconditionally patriotic. (eom)

[dmr]

86. I wondered why Murdoch was pushing this now, too.

Of all times to push it.

This is sensational news, and the payoff helps the opposing side.

If Murdoch wanted to help the Republican candidate, he would have saved this info to as close to the general election as he could- possibly September or October. This would give Obama a much more difficult time to recover. But since Hillary is hanging on by a loose thread, Murdoch has to throw this in to add to her lifeline. Behind the scenes, Hillary, her supporters, and of course the far right can fan the fires.

It goes to show who and what these kind of people care about. It sure isn't the well-being of America.

[better tomorrow]

20. The Cover Up Girl has to go?

http://www.christianlifeandliberty.net/ccl0001HC1.bmp

[cottonseed]

24. It's bad because of how quickly they're jumping on this.

I can understand Republicans making a stink of this now, only days of it breaking, sure they're scum and beneath contempt. But for Hillary Clinton, a Democrat, to be declaring the death of Barack Obama without giving him the chance, giving the American people the chance to work through this is disgusting.

[Frank Booth]

30. Sigh. This whole fucked up beyond belief campaign makes me so proud of our country.

:crazy: :mad: :party:

[biglefthander]

33. great pic

n/t

[Stephanie]

35. Shot is from today's campaign stop in WV

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=hillary&c=news_photos

[CakeGrrl]

36. Keep up the dirty tricks, Hillary

There's one woman right here who's gonna sit out this election. If she has to play dirty to 'win', she'll do it without my vote. Hope karma bites her ass if she gets away with it.

[Divernan]

38. LOOK at the ridiculous expression on her face. Constant over-reaction/drama queen.

Don't tell me everyone takes bad pictures some times. I have never knowingly contorted my face like that in my life. I've never seen a foreign head of state make these grotesque grimmaces. Ever seen Maggie Thatcher or Indira Ghandi or Golda Mier or Charles DeGaulle, or Angela Merkel look like this?

There's a poster for sale with something like 48 different head shots of HRC, each one more bizarre than the preceeding one. With all the acting coaches she's hired, can't she find someone to teach her to have a calm, dignified expression - something with a little statesmanlike gravitas befitting running for president of a country in the deep shit the US is in?

[JVS]

42. they learned it at yale

[Texas Hill Country]

99. so what did Obama learn at Harvard? certainly wasnt the definition of Decriminalize...

cheap shot i know, but...

[Stephanie]

44. I changed the photo

[JVS]

45. Why?

[lligrd]

39. Not This Time Hillary

This time we are going to fight to make sure the best candidate wins. GOBAMA!

[Oilwellian]

41. Big discussion going on at Daily Kos over this

As for what could happen when someone like Lanny Davis and the NYT's, in the same night, confirm that the Clinton's are slinging the Wright story to the Superdelegates for an edge, try this on for size...

For those supporters of Hillary Clinton who see the story as a way of selling superdelegates on Obama's unelectability, the downside is far more dangerous. If the Clinton campaign is caught using the race card, particularly after Bill Clinton's 'cracker tour' of South Carolina, it will assure a Clinton defeat in November. Not only will blacks boycott the polls, so will many of the millions of young voters Obama has brought into the political process.

(Many liberals like myself, who would be happy to support Hillary Clinton if she earned the nomination, would abandon her if her campaign seeks to exploit the Wright controversy either in the remaining contests or with superdelegates.)

That's a quote from Former Mondale campaign manager Bob Beckel...

Time to Jump Ship Bob... I hold you to your word. The NYT has spilled the beans and Lanny Davis proves it...

The Clintons are now using Wright, as their LAST ARGUEMENT...

Michigan: Closed
Florida: Closed
Wright: Last Window of Hope

pathetic...

A Humble Theory Afterthought... Judging by the Embargo Levied by Maggie Williams and the clear breakage of said Embargo by the NYT's piece revealers and Lanny Davis directly, is it possible that the Wright Phenomenon is now rapidly coming to a close? Are they trying to blow oxygen on the dying flame of their last hope? as Noam Scheiber wrote

This is why you basically never see the Clinton campaign touch the Wright story. (I was on a Clinton conference call this weekend; I thought I heard tumbleweeds blowing when a reporter brought up Wright.) There's almost no way they can actively exploit it, particularly after Obama's speech. They just have to hope it does the job on its own--or, to put it in less cynical terms, that Democratic voters think Wright is as big a problem for Obama as the Clintonites presumably think he is.

All in all, this is still clearly pathetic, I just hope it's the Pathetic Last Gasp... one that was forced against their better initial tactical judgements on the situation.. The risk has always been there that they overplay their hand by even stepping into the debate, and after tonight, I think we can safely say that has now happened.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/20/11015/8963/538/480513

[Stephanie]

43. Thanks

Please let this be the Last Straw.

[crankychatter]

50. I'm new but this deserves a top post... that's it - nothing inside

see? nothing

[AgadorSparticus]

48. I second this.....

[anamandujano]

49. Your threads are always so whiney and nauseating.

[Cali_Democrat]

52. Take a look in the mirror

[anamandujano]

54. Can someone tell my ignore that I can't answer but it's not a problem

because whoever it is doesn't add much to the discussion.

[EFerrari]

119. No, but I can add you to my ignore list where you will be very happy

among your peers.

[JVS]

151. Maybe that's to help you identify with them

[meow mix]

57. It takes a Village of SD's to Coronate a Corporate Elitist Brat

so sick of this crap i hate hillary

[meow mix]

58. K&R

[EFerrari]

59. I'm so glad this was published in the NYTs.

[Perry Logan]

60. After months of smears, the Obamites have gotten just what they deserved. Despicable, indeed!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5120659

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4779500&mesg_id=4779500

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849238&mesg_id=4849238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4922044&mesg_id=4922044

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4942967&mesg_id=4942967

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4964704&mesg_id=4964704

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965088

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965227

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4982708&mesg_id=4982708

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5036756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5065868&mesg_id=5065868

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5156352&mesg_id=5156412

Reporting threats against Hillary:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4999545&mesg_id=4999545

[EFerrari]

61. That's really shortsighted. Apart from how disgusting this is

if Obama gets the nod, she's just made November more difficult for us. If she does through some miraculous new way of cheating, she's lost not only the black vote, but the votes of everyone she's disgusted beyond belief.

[TheZug]

62. It isn't racist to say not to vote for the black guy because other people are racist . . .

. . . oh, wait, yes it is.

Of course, for the Clintons, racism is merely opportunity.

[psychopomp]

112. Sen. Clinton needs to speak out against those who would exploit our fears for political gain

I guess she is too busy helping to get the latest scare-the-pants-off-the-voters ad ready for airplay.

[rodeodance]

194. Why should she bail BO out?--He made his bed, now he can lie in it.

[Strelnikov_]

66. "That argument could be Mrs. Clinton’s last hope for winning this contest."

But they didn't push the story. Nah. Never.

[mod mom]

67. Tweety posted a number on Tuesday that said 20% OF DEMS WILL NOT VOTE FOR HER IF SHE IS THE NOMINEE!

They will either not vote, vote third or vote McCain (I believe this last one is highly unlikely)

[travelingtypist]

68. Way, way, way past.

We can only hope that a big loss for her in Pennsylvannia
can finally signal the end of this. I'm so sick it. She
can't win without cheating and she knows it. That's why
she's trying to game the superdelegate system.

[bvar22]

103. Obama does not need a Hillary "Big Loss" in Pennsylvania.

A Hillary "WIN" by anything less than 65% will be a death blow.

[travelingtypist]

136. In normal circumstances I'd agree.

But you'll notice how the Clintons have been able to move the bar
around so that she can stay in the race. Yes, she needs the 65%.
So if she loses outright, maybe that'll do the trick and she and
her crew will finally end our suffering.

[Azathoth]

69. Hillary was never a particularly strong candidate, but her reputation for viciousness is well-earned

n/t

[EFerrari]

71. I always thought it was a right wing smear.

Boy, was I wrong. First Tasini and now this.

[workinclasszero]

76. So Hillary uses racism and right wing attack thugs to defeat Obama

No surprise here. Hillary is a traitor to the dem party already for her many endorsements of her good buddy McCain over Obama for president.

I despise this woman and her despicable lack of morals.

Hillary Clinton will never set foot in the White House as president. If she steals the nomination somehow the dem party will again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

And we will all have to go through this garbage again in 2012.

[Skidmore]

77. Hillary Clinton is part of the problem.

Arrogant and tone-deaf.

[totodeinhere]

79. And Barack Obama is part of the solution.

[totodeinhere]

78. I can't believe that there actually are people who still defend her.

[Skwmom]

81. Look at the people that still defend Bush.

[totodeinhere]

110. Good point.

[AllexxisF1]

80. Me.

First off I have always been a staunch supporters of the Clintons and if Hillary were leading as Obama is now (through a decent campaign) I would most certainly vote for her.


But let's be real here people this is about her at this point. Not the party, not the general election....but simply her. There is no way on God's green Earth she can win fairly. So for her to still remain in the race doing the kind of things she has been doing only leads to one conclusion, that she really is not who we thought she was.


I honestly believe well and truly that if she were to literally back room steal this nomination she would not win in the general election because many of the democratic electorate would not vote for her. They ...as do I would feel like we have been cheated.


Moreover, I think many here do not realize that the Clinton's (whether their fault or not) are recruitment crack cocaine to the Neo Conservative movement. Right now the Neo Conservatives numbers are right back where they ought to be (11% or so). They have finally been shown for what they are and pushed back into the closet where they came from. If we do see a Hillary presidency I truly believe the Neo Conservative movement will gain massive ground again and have us loose both houses of Congress in the next cycle.

However an Obama presidency does something else entirely to the Neo Conservative movement...it stops them dead in their tracks. Why? because many Neo Conservative are flat out racists, especially their commentators and pundits. With Obama they cannot go after him like they would Hillary which literally means that they have no recruitment gasoline to use. Barack Obama literally has the chance to erradicate Neo Conservatism for a very, very long time.


I know, it's unfair to Hillary that she has to deal with all this bullshit from the right because frankly she does not deserve it. No one does. But that is the stark reality.

[ForeignSpectator]

94. CHRIST! Is that pic of her real??! When was this and why?? n/t

[Pryderi]

82. How can anyone trust a woman that lies about the origin of her name?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillary.asp

[eridani]

142. That's pretty trivial

Focus on the real problem, which is that she is using Republican framing.

[GumboYaYa]

85. The Clinton supporters on DU who are trying to justify the racist tactics of the Clintons

are just as despicable. I don't think we belong to the same party. Some of the things the Clinton supporters think are just aokay make me want to puke.

[EFerrari]

146. How are you, Gumbo?

I feel the same way. Have gone from being mildly annoyed to sickened by the Clinton campaign. And by the posters to this forum who seem to have no awareness whatsoever what this kind of tactic means in the lives of real people.

[GumboYaYa]

150. Doing great...busy as always, but you know how that is better than anyone.

The tactics Clinton is using are the worst of the Republicans tricks. It is like theghost of Lee Atwater is running the campaign.

I am just amazed that some long time DUers are defending her.

[EFerrari]

153. Hang in, it'll be over soon, hopefully.

Take good care of you.

[GumboYaYa]

156. Likewise.....

[Bonobo]

87. "Ye Shall Know Them By Their Tactics"

[apocalypsehow]

88. Her tactics are beyond despicable. They are edging into David Duke territory. K & R.

n/t.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

89. Dispicable is an understatement in describing Hillary.

[L0oniX]

93. Hillary and Lieberman should start their own party...and rats nest.

[DemzRock]

101. She has a perfect right to argue electablity...

That's what the superdelagates and the rules that allow pledged delegates to change their vote are there for.

[EFerrari]

111. You can only hope America is as racist as her campaign says they are!

Go, Hill!

[redqueen]

115. Your subject line is disgusting.

[Stephanie]

116. It's ACCURATE

[redqueen]

117. In your opinion, perhaps.

But it's hateful and counterproductive. And that's a motherfucking FACT. How d'ya like those ALL CAPS?

[Stephanie]

120. Thanks for the motherfucking KICK, queeny!

:hi:

[redqueen]

130. Heheh...

:hi:

[EFerrari]

127. The headline is accurate, the subject is disgusting.

What do you call someone who plays on racial divisions -- especially NOW, at this moment. Post Katrina, when our armed forces have been told to shoot Iraqis because they're not human, just "dogs", when Bush is funding death squads in South America -- those little brown people, who will miss them?

What do you call someone who exploits race in this situation? I love you, redqueen, but Steph is right.

[redqueen]

129. It's not right. Not IMO. I do consider her tactics despicable...

but IMO attacking her personally is counterproductive and just bad form.

I love you too! :loveya:

[depakid]

131. Well, I certainly HOPE it gives the superdelegates pause

because if Obama's candidacy ends up untenable, I don't want the party to be led off a cliff by some pied piper whose loyal minions have lost the ability to think critically -and recognize that winning in November is what's important.

If it comes down to it I HOPE that they have the courage, fortitude and good sense to say- neither of these candidates should be our nominee.

[nels25]

141. Now that I could support

if it does get down to the fact that both emerge so damaged that their election chances in the general are highly questionable.

Then I think the party has a duty to go to a Plan B and find the best candidate to win and save this nation from more GOP rule!!:dem:

[Texas Hill Country]

137. i thought i put you on ignore... fixed.

[Stephanie]

139. Thank YEW!

I'll be here all week! Tip your waitress! :hi:

[ForeignSpectator]

157. You're good!

I think I just fell in love... ;-)

Like the title by the way, quite accurate...

[Megahurtz]

145. You sickening sickening woman.

What real Democrat would use Race-Baiting of all things as a tactic to smear an opposing Candidate? :wtf:

I am sickened beyond belief. Here's one for you Hillary Now get lost!

[Blarch]

149. I fucking hate her

She says that all the votes should count ...in the next breath this hack is hoping the supers go against the will of the people.

Fuck her ten times....fuck hillary.

[Name removed]

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[parkeradison]

158. Regarding the "despicable Hillary"

Are you actually surprised by her tactics? Did you really think that Hillary would have scruples when it comes to getting elected?

[paulk]

159. how is that despicable?

she could very well be right, and if she is that is something the superdelegates need to consider.

I imagine we'll find out in these next primaries how right she is...

or how wrong.

[goodgd_yall]

279. Really

as if the shoe were on the other foot, the Obama campaign wouldn't be doing the same.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

162. Barack Obama supporters only believe in hate

You can bet Clinton supporters won't forget it.


If only his supporters were as gracious as he.

[Politicalboi]

164. I think the SD's should have a primary NOW

She doesn't have the delegates, she doesn't have the popular vote. Maybe Howard Dean should be e-mailed and told how most of us feel. Don't know if it will do any good but it's worth a try.

http://www.democrats.org/a/party/chairman/index.php

[LulaMay]

165. What's despicable is how some Obama supporters have said such vile things with such regularity. STOP

She could be our nominee.

Hillary supporters are not going about calling Obama DESPICABLE.


It's idiotic!

[pajjr]

167. I think your comments are despicable

I also think this kind of stupidity is not good for democrats in general. You go way to far

[Stephanie]

171. What comments?

You mean the OP? I said it's time for her to go, the rest is all from her own campaign.

[snappyturtle]

170. Despicable and desperate! This has nothing to do with anything

but, I am sick of that yellow suit. Does nothing for her. My hubby calls her bumble bee outfit.

[Name removed]

174. Deleted sub-thread

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[meow mix]

181. Great Post K&R

:patriot:

[guruoo]

183. Hard to imagine that such a fine young man could attract so many lowlife "supporters"

[rodeodance]

185. i know--i just came on and saw these vile post--against a Democratic Pres Candidate.

[guruoo]

191. Let's not forget...

the fact that an ample number of well organized, and coached agents provocateur have been in here
fanning these flames from the very beginning.

[rodeodance]

193. Do you think that is what is happening?--maybe some. but there are long-time

DU members who are posting mean, vile crap.

[guruoo]

199. The RW must have really had their act together, or

we have a lot of profoundly stupid activists in our party.

[rodeodance]

201. chuckle. i think it is both

[guruoo]

203. What do you believe will happen in

(what I want to believe is) the unlikely event that McCain wins?

[rodeodance]

211. oh my. I really have not gone there yet. Its quite not on my radar.

[Jakes Progress]

229. We still won't learn

We all applauded Howard Dean for being the first candidate to really use the internet well. He found a way to tap into the positive forces that a free and open network could bring forth. The neocons have now learned to use it too. But they, as is their nature, are using all the dirty tricks and underhanded methodology that the internet is open to. They troll and they chum the waters for the stupid and lowest part of man's nature.

They are rewarded because of our baser feelings and the desire for instant gratification. We can post and feel good about shooting back without the guilt that reflection and thought can produce. So Hillary supporters question Barack and get flamed. Obama supporters doubt Clinton and get assaulted. All fed by a constant stream of brainless media hype that both sides use as sources of information.

Next year as we wonder how McCain got to be president, we will still be blaming each other. Both sides will be right.

[guruoo]

236. Yes.

[annie1]

220. well said. hell, even Ron Paul blogosphere supporters were less vile.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

184. 1968 here we come. I'm starting to believe that America pretty much deserves

the crap leadership that our country shits out at the end of the process.

[Life Long Dem]

187. What if we all go to McCain? Obama supporters as well?

Would you Hillary supporters be happy with that? Please don't get me wrong though. Please, honest, IT IS just , just a thought honest, I'm kidding. They have a curtain for the election booth correct?

[Tarc]

188. When Team Obama says "divisive" what they really mean is

[scratchy]

189. There is always Nader

[KoKo]

195. GORE....IS THE ONE!

[NedSchneebly]

212. Nader?

RALPH! :puke:

[Zhade]

197. She's still not going to win, even with all her failed machinations.

NT!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

206. i've met her, I've had unpleasant dealings with her. I will NEVER vote for her.

that woman. Mrs. Rodman. the Clinton-DLC-neoCON candidate.

[JVS]

235. I'd love to hear your story.

[BlueJac]

219. She is a bad person, ala Bush

[jillan]

223. It is the truth - this has already hurt O.

[Jakes Progress]

226. Here too.

I just came over from HuffPo. It seems to be the same here. Little thought. Both sides are nasty and negative. Only difference is degree of hypocrisy. Clinton never declared to be saintly. Obama calls on his supporters to be kinder and follow a new way. They don't.

I started out liking both and agreeing with most of my friends, intelligent Democrats all, who were tickled to have either of these two fine people represent us. Now we worry about the thing that first drew us to Obama. He wanted to cooperate and unite the country under a new banner of civility. It was really the only thing that separated the two candidates. Now it seems that his ideas don't work. Even his own followers can't do it. If he can't get people who adore him and look to him as a leader to behave the way he says, what luck will he have getting the Grover Norquists of the world to play nice.


I think that here, just like on HuffPo. most of the posters are dupes of the media and the neocon con game. Are Democrats just too stupid for words?

[meow mix]

228. K&R

[RBInMaine]

230. Hillary will say ANYTHING and do ANYTHING to win. STINKING ROTTEN !!

[Duder]

238. Progressive Review said awhile back:

“As you watch the Clinton-Obama fight unfold, keep an eye on this issue: are Clinton's statements and actions designed to help only her or does she have the party in mind as well? As we have noted, the Clinton administration was disastrous for the Democratic Party - with big losses for it in Congress, governors' mansions and the statehouses - in no small part because Clinton redefined the party as a personal support team rather than as a national organization that he was leading. If her survival tactics are true to form, Hillary Clinton can be expected to act with a similar indifference to overall party concerns.”

[Stephanie]

240. Much as Bush/Rove managed the Nation, so has Hillary managed her campaign

It's all about winning. It has nothing to do with governing.

[Evergreen Emerald]

242. I am continually stunned by those on DU who have dehumanized Clinton

to the point that they are not even rational any longer. This post in itself exposes that irrationality that is beyond the norm. Some serious sickness here.

Everything Clinton = evil

Everything Obama = good. So, when Obama plays politics, it is ok. When he reaches out to republicans it is uniting.

When Clinton plays politics she is a monster, despicable, evil. When Clinton reaches out to Republicans she is betraying our party.

I cannot believe how much of a frenzy most people are on DU in an effort to spit-out-such-unjustified-hatred of a good honest progressive democrat.

[Stephanie]

243. When she explicitly exploits racism to her advantage, she is despicable.

And she is not honest nor is she progressive.

[Evergreen Emerald]

247. Obama used race in SC to gain the advantage. I did not see you complaining about your candidate

Obama just sent a picture of Wright to the NYT shaking hands with Clinton. What was the purpose of that except to attempt to divert attention from him to Clinton in a negative way. That is using race to divide.

When obama sent a list of "racist" statements Clinton said to the press--that were distortions and lies about what she said...where were you?

This thread is so full of hatred and violence. Everything ever done wrong in America is put on Clinton's shoulders so you can continue to hate her and demean her and attack her.

The frenzy is getting actually scary.

[EFerrari]

263. Frenzy my granny. Your candidate has been called out

on her horrible behavior. You can try to displace that all you like but reality has a way of coming back and sticking around.

[Frank Booth]

244. I have always tried to give her the benefit of the doubt,

but at this point, I'm not even sure she's a human being anymore. She's more like Mitt Romney's evil cyborg fraternal twin, and thus not capable of being dehumanized.

[EFerrari]

257. A good honest progressive Democrat?

LOL!

How can you be a "good honest progressive Democrat" in the pocket of Big Pharma AND smearing your opponent as "too black" to be elected?

You people really have made a deal with the devil.

[goodgd_yall]

281. "You people...."

:argh:

[fascisthunter]

246. cackle, cackle, cackle

cackle, cackle, cackle

[Jakes Progress]

251. So very childish

Take Dennis's picture from your avatar. Your behavior is a disgrace to him.

[krabigirl]

252. yawn...

[Maxdee55]

256. I Wondered How Long It Would Be Before They Blamed Hillary

I'm starting to get it now Obama supporters will not accept anything else but him being anointed President of the United States. It is now very clear that if Hillary Clinton seizes upon an Obama slip up, or just basically campaigns for herself she is called reprehensible, a disgrace, or maybe just a racist. Obama may still get the nomination because college educated young white liberals are so hung up on words like "hope" and "change" that they believe a 1/2 term Senator is going to save America from itself. For me I find it extremely offensive that Obama could maintain a close relationship with a racist and un-American preacher for over 20 years, and then think he can be President. Obama is ahead of Hillary because he is a smooth talking word smith who has played on white guilt and black racism, to forge a fantasy land view of America. Obama will most likely get the nomination because they will be too afraid not to give it to him, but all that will do is give another 4 years and maybe 8 to the Republicans

[Cha]

268. hilary has done it to herself and

if you'd get your head outta the sand you might learn something.

[Stephanie]

269. Um, the Hillary Campaign announced it themselves - to reporters

And I'm sure if the Republican got 8 more years you would be very happy.

[guyanakoolaid]

270. Maxdee, here is a reply to you and all the fear-mongering, Clinton supporting hypocrites:

[Milo_Bloom]

261. Clinton is play for 2012

Her strategy has become clear, since she can no longer win in 2008.

She is damaging the Obama campaign in the hopes he won't win, so she can run in 2012.

Sad, very sad.

[Spiffarino]

278. .

:nuke:

[psychopomp]

273. I hope that Bill Richardson told her it's time to go

just before he endorsed Sen. Obama!
:bounce::bounce::toast::bounce::bounce::toast::bounce::bounce::toast::bounce::bounce:

[McCamy Taylor]

280. So, you believed the NYTs and Judy Miller on the WMDs too?

And Michael Gordon and his voice activated tape recorder? Or maybe you want to correct the title and make that the Despicable Devine?

The press is a big fat liar playing the Karl Rove game of Brokered Democratic Convention.

[psychopomp]

282. No, but really it is her only option left

She cannot win this without a) Sen. Obama imploding or b) the Supers

Of course the Clinton campaign is doing it.