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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:32 PM
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What did Romney's hyped religion speech do for him?
He gave it on December 6th. http://www.observer.com/2007/romneys-religion-speech

His averages in the polls right before the speech (pollster.com)

Nationally: 12.4
Iowa: 23.0
New Hampshire: 32.4

His averages after the speech

Nationally: 15.0
Iowa: 24.0
New Hampshire: 32.4

Gains

Nationally: 2.6
Iowa: 1.0
New Hampshire: 0

This provides some past measure of what kind of effect such a speech has. Now Obama is obviously a far better speech maker than Romney. The msm was behind Giuliani and then McCain at the time while Obama has the msm with him. These are two big advantages Obama has. On the other hand, Obama has the disadvantage of having to explain the inconsistency between his public rhetoric and two decades of private action. All Romney was doing was explaining what his religion was. Either folks accepted it or not. He didn't have to deal we a hypocrisy factor--for once!

There will be a lot of hype about the speech, like there was about Romney's, among the punditry and political junkies. I actually didn't know what the exact affect Romney's speech had before looking at the numbers out of curiosity right now. All I remembered was it was no panacea to the problem he faced on religion. Obama will probably get a slight bump out of this, which will recover some of the damage done by pastorgate. However most folks are only going to see clips of it on the news and he didn't say anything groundbreaking. Has any politician run on an explicit Jeremiah Wright style platform in modern times? Even Reagan didn't explicitly run on racism. Of course presidential candidates are going to talk about the evils of racism. They all do. Folks will recognize that. The people who are being the most mesmerized by his speech already thought he was the savior. This isn't about you. It isn't about folks like me who are not Obama lovers either. It is about everyone in between and history suggests this won't be a magic wand to end the matter.

He does deserve credit, though. While he should have done what he publicly proclaimed during his media blitz a few days ago--spoken out against Wright "if" he knew about his bigotry and nuttiness--during the past two decades he doesn't have a time machine. What he did now is the best thing he can do to cut his losses.

His problem is much bigger than pastorgate, though. He has struggled mightily with whites and women since Wisconsin (and he lost Latinos something like 66-31 in Texas, the only state for which we have any data on Latinos). Ohio, Texas, Mississippi, and Pennsylvania may be aberrations but if they are the vanguard of a trend, and the fact Obama gave this speech suggests the Obama campaign thinks it may be, he is in deep trouble. His biggest problem is inexperience. The "3 am" ad didn't come out of nowhere. The Clinton campaign's polling must have shown this is Obama's most vulnerable spot. He can't cure that problem by taking Presidential 101 over the summer. Everyone already knew he was inexperienced but the ad and subsequent controversy put it front and center. It isn't the only problem he has. Any "new" candidate naturally suffers when he gets some bad press as Obama finally did. It may very well be that what he did while pristine from Iowa to Wisconsin was a peak. Pennsylvania and May will be interesting. This isn't over by any means.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:52 PM
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1. No comment? It did nothing for Romney. It will get Obama 15 points?
The world goes on. Clinton is now speaking in Philadelphia with the real reformer/agent of change mayor of the city standing behind her.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:55 PM
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2. With one big difference
Romney's speech, for all the hype leading up to it, had all the impact of a soggy paper bag. It was supposed to reassure the electorate regarding his 'Mormonism', (which he only mentioned once, IIRC), but seemed to be aimed more at poaching the Evangelical vote from Huckabee.

Romney's speech was (unintentionally) divisive IMHO. Obama's was the exact opposite. Romney's speech has already been mostly forgotten. I have a feeling that Obama's may well go down in history.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:04 PM
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3. How was Romney's speech divisive?
They both gave good speeches but Obama supporters are letting their rose-colored glasses get in the way of what happened. Obama's speech wasn't another "I Have a Dream" or Gettysburg Address. If Obama loses it won't be remembered. Only if he wins will it matter. He didn't exactly say anything new in it.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:29 PM
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6. Let me count the ways
"There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they are at odds with the nation's founders, for they, when our nation faced its greatest peril, sought the blessings of the Creator. And further, they discovered the essential connection between the survival of a free land and the protection of religious freedom. In John Adams’ words: 'We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion... Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people."

"Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone."

"Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America – the religion of secularism. They are wrong."


I'm not a religious person, nor is most of my family. Romney as much as said that anyone who is not religious, is not American. Do you have any idea, any idea at all, how much that pissed me off? If you cannot see that as incredibly divisive, then we simply have no common ground for conversation.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:39 PM
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12. I meant as far as the rethugs were concerned. He said everything the rethugs wanted to hear
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 01:40 PM by jackson_dem
And all he got was 3 points nationally, 1 point in Iowa, and nothing in New Hampshire.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:18 PM
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4. The speech did diddly squat for Romney and it will be the same for BO
It will not stop the hemorrhaging

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:24 PM
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5. Obama supporters are comparing it to MLK and Lincoln's speech
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 01:26 PM by jackson_dem
One even said it is better than the "I Have a Dream" and Gettysburg speeches! Can we make "it" official now, if you know what I mean? ;)

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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:31 PM
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7. thats actually what pundits are saying...
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:36 PM
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9. Yes, I said Obama supporters
;)
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:47 PM
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14. He could offer them shit from his shoe and they would call it caviar
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:34 PM
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8. You're seriously comparing Obama to Mittens?
Really?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:37 PM
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10. Read the OP
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:37 PM
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11. Romney hyped his speech as one on Mormonism, then it had nothing to do with Mormonism.
Romney's speech was a failure because it had nothing to do with what was promised.

Obama's speech was far from that.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:41 PM
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13. It was hyped as a speech on religion and compared to JFK's 1960 speech in the hype
After the speech the reviews were generally glowing. Sound familiar?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:48 PM
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15. he has struggled mightily as he wins again and again and again.
Quite a big struggle there at the Iowa County Conventions lol
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:02 PM
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19. 34% in Ohio (27% among Dems), 21% in MS, 23% in PA now
Is this what he will do in the general? Do well in a couple states among that large bloc, get slaughtered in most of the others? No wonder the rethug msm is lusting after him.

He has also struggled with women (a majority of voters). He is only at 20% with women in PA now.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:19 PM
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16. tick...tick...tick...time's running out on you dude.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:37 PM
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17. Romney's speech on "Mormonism" mentioned almost nothing about Mormonism. Obama's speech on race
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 02:37 PM by jenmito
was ALL about race, taking on head-on what he HAD to take on, and managed to give a UNIFYING speech while addressing the issues. And Obama wrote HIS speech himself.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:00 PM
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18. If everyone sat down and watched the whole speech I would agree
But 95% of folks are only going to see clips of it.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:05 PM
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20. But Obama's speech wasn't about religion.
That "woosh" sound you heard was the point racing right over your head.
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