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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:23 PM
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Barack Obama: Implied Consent
Silence in the pew for 20 years is much more telling than a 15 minute speech you probably didn't even write, Mr. Obama.

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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:24 PM
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1. iggie
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:24 PM
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2. here, you'll feel better
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:25 PM
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3. I heard he did write it himself
And how many sermons of Wright's have you heard? What makes you think that every speech was like the excerpts we have heard? If that were the case, why wouldn't they be showing a lot more different clips?

Unless you are a member of that 8,000 member church, how can you say that it was consistently spewing hatred every sunday for 20 years? Would a church that was all about hate really attract that many members? This is a mainstream church with a preacher who occasionally says things that are over the top.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:25 PM
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4. Welcome to my ignore list.
Sorry.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:35 PM
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17. I'm not.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:13 PM
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25. DO NOT APOLOGIZE. the author is a pos. (translation for the slow below)
Piece
of
Shit.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:26 PM
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5. Beating a dead horse
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:32 PM
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13. The poor fookin' horse
is in the glue factory. And, yeah the op goes on ignore..life is too short to read shit like that.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:27 PM
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6. Willfull ignorance is even more telling....
Free Republic still has memberships open, if you hurry.



:puke:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:27 PM
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7. Ohhh you told him!
:thumbsup:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:27 PM
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8. You're just jealous that Hillary could never make that kind of speech
Sorry, but she will NEVER be an inspirational speaker.

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mathewsleep Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:30 PM
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11. seconded.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:44 PM
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20. I third that.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:28 PM
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9. your thinly veiled post says much more than a more detailed exposition on stupidity.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:29 PM
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10. sorry, your candidate lost. better luck next time.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:30 PM
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12. Christ, some of you people are bitter.
I'm really, really glad I'm not you.

- as
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:33 PM
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14. sorry you feel so bitter--
I don't think an adviser would have recommended so far-reaching a speech. The grapes aren't really sour, DemVet.
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GihrenZabi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:35 PM
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15. Zip it
It's this kind of philistine pig-ignorance that drags this campaign down.

Who the hell said that Obama HAS to apologize for his pastor? Your comments make me wonder if you're just a Freeper...

Show some common sense. We are ALL associated with people who have some views we don't agree with, whether it's relatives, co-workers, college professors - does spending time in a room with someone mean you absorb their opinions through osmosis?

All this nonsense about Wright is idiocy in the extreme, stirred up by the media which needs a headline and Hillary supporters who know their only chance to win is to tar Obama as much as possible to pave the way for superdelegate chicanery.

For the love of God, can we get a break from the idiocy for just a few months, to let this thing play out without further slime?
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:35 PM
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16. As usual, no thoughtful responses in defense of Obama
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 12:38 PM by DemVet
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:20 PM
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32. No thoughtful attack was made.
Therefore, no thoughtful defense is required.

Do you know how to read? Try this:

"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way.

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS. "


More here, if you want the full context:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hisownwords
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:40 PM
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18. your jealous that Hillary ....
sounds like a third-grader having a tantrum compared to Obama
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:41 PM
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19. Denial is the last stand of those who cannot or will not account for their actions.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:50 PM
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21. If your pastor says something outrageous it's your duty to say something
Otherwise it send a message to your pastor, members of the church and the public that you agree with what is said. This after the fact denial crap is bullshit.

That said, Obama is still the guy I'm supporting for President and he hasn't done anything the vast majority of the people of this country haven't done themselves. Maybe this incident will get people out of the pews and letting their church leaders know when they've gone off track.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:03 PM
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22. Exactly, Obama is only responding now because he was "caught"
condoning the words of a racist.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:10 PM
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24. condoning by omission, something many people do.
It's hard for a lot of people to say anything because they are afraid to make waves but if you want a life in politics you better be willing to make waves.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:54 PM
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23. word. but don't forget, the Dear Leader can do no wrong. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:14 PM
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26. Yes, his silence was telling as he allowed his surrogates to race-bate.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:16 PM
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29. LMAO! Coming from a supporter of the Queen Of Race-Baiting and her hubby. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:29 PM
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34. name-calling in very Rovian. You just showed how FOOLISH your post is.
LMAO! Coming from a supporter of the Queen Of Race-Baiting and her hubby. n/t
Posted by greguganus
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:15 PM
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27. If you're gonna spew shit, why don't you donate 5 bucks to help with cleaning up the mess? n/t
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:16 PM
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28. Picking out 30 seconds from 30 years worth of sermons that Obama didn't attend
is much more telling that those who vilify Obama are ignorant Mr. DemVet.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:17 PM
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30. You turned your brain off didn't you?
You know nothing about the speech, but you've got your talking points memorized. Nice.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:18 PM
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31. Why would any good man speak up against social justice?
Littering flame bait on DU, what a pathetic vocation.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:21 PM
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33. Thank you.
Those calling you bitter may be in for a taste of real bitter soon.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:30 PM
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35. Thank you for your post.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:31 PM
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36. REC for the truth.
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