Obama got about 135,000 GOP votes in TX and 100,000 GOP votes in OH.

[rinsd]

Hillary received about 119,000 GOP votes TX & 100,000 GOP votes in OH

Obama won the TX GOP vote 53 to 46.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=TX

See page 4 for ideological breakdown - http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#TXDEM

Obama & Hillary tied the GOP vote in OH.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#OH

See page 3 for ideological breakdown - http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#OHDEM

Obama-meme: Hillary won TX & OH due to GOP votes! :rofl:

[EFerrari]

1. So, that whole kissing up to Rush isn't working for her, is it?

[MonkeyFunk]

17. She's never kissed up to Rush

Come on, at least pretend to be honest.

[EFerrari]

22. Bill Clinton Appears on Rush Limbaugh Show

Bill Clinton Appears on Rush Limbaugh Show

by campaignmonitor, Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 11:53:20 AM EST
In case you missed it; From TPM (Audio of his appearance here) More of the scorched earth strategy:

Bill Clinton on Rush Limbaugh Show Day of Texas PrimaryEIB Guest Host While Rush Is "Sick" 3/4/2008 Mark Davis of WBAP Dallas/Ft. Worth Link for March 4 show
Mark Interviews Bill Clinton (not kidding) on the Rush Limbaugh Show

Ex-President Clinton Talks to WBAP's Mark Davis

(WBAP) - Still campaigning for his wife on a critical primary election day, Ex-President Bill Clinton told
WBAP's Mark Davis that he believes Hillary Clinton will defeat Democratic rival Barack Obama on Tuesday.




Rush was saying the day before that he felt a "flu" coming on, and then Tuesday he was "sick" and had the substitute host, and then Wednesday he was back to crow about his achievement in getting Hillary elected.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/10/115320/234

Calling truthful people liars is a losing strategy.

[rinsd]

24. "Ex-President Clinton Talks to WBAP's Mark Davis"

"Calling truthful people liars is a losing strategy."

So is not reading ones own links when one is claiming that Hillary kissed Rush's butt.

[EFerrari]

28. I did read the link. Has Hillary tossed Bill off the campaign?

And it was on the Limbaugh show.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. The Dick Morris strategy worked out well for Obama.

They love Dick around here, he's always a good source when there's dirt on the Hillster.

[stillcool]

13. This Dick Morris?

[here_is_to_hope]

3. Exit polls....yeah, them is irrefutable! n/t

[Drachasor]

5. Exit polls are pretty acurate, within a few percent certainly

We use them in other countries to detect fraud.

[stillcool]

14. not in this country...

[rinsd]

16. Fair enough.

But if one is gonna use exit polls to talk about how many GOP votes Hillary got, I think its only fair that the same standard be used for Obama, no?

[stillcool]

25. I think that there would be...

many republican cross-overs based solely on our current reality. While there may be some that are voting for Rush Limbaugh, I find it hard to believe that there are any where near enough of them to sway an election. Even in one precinct.

[nolabels]

29. So should they go by delegates vote totals then?

The Mondale slaughter by Raygun should tell us all we need to know about how smart those so called party politics are :-(

The youth, new, swing and independent votes are the votes that are going to be needed in the G.E. The M$M and most polling operations have a lot less clues how those kind people tilt also

[rinsd]

6. Yeah imagine presenting evidence vs anecdotes.

BTW I'll take an apology now for you calling me a liar.

[here_is_to_hope]

8. Didnt call you a liar, no sir, I said "lie" and what you have here

are exit polls from a media source called CNN. I have faith in no exit polls nor CNN so, to me, its still 'not true'.

A person can tell a lie but that doesnt make them a liar.
You are not a liar my friend.
Take Dana Perino for example...not a liar but tells lies...

Love ya rinsd but your candidate isnt up my standards no matter who says what.

[LuvMyPorsche]

4. and

every last one will vote for BO in the GE, right??

:D

[MagickMuffin]

7. Just like they would vote for Hilly in the GE, EVERY last one of them

:)

[rinsd]

9. I would doubt that.

But shit like this just tells me we need closed primaries(allowing only registered Democrats or Decline to State voters).

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. Well we know Obama would have come a lot closer in OH & TX

if the "Rush Republicans" had stayed home. As a matter of fact, he won the most coveted prize in TX, and that's the delegates. And he's picked up some more in OH, despite Republican trickery.

Hillary's Repub voters made no bones about why they cast their vote for her, I haven't heard similar stories coming from Repubs who voted for Obama. If you have proof to the contrary, I'd love to see it. And just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

[Drachasor]

10. 7.1% of voters for Hillary in Ohio, 13.6% in Mississippi, 5.5% in Texas not happy if she won

Texas is pretty small, but Ohio and Mississippi numbers are pretty disturbing.

In contrast, 2.2% of Obama voters in Ohio, 1.97% in Mississippi, and 4.77% in Texas would be dissatisfied if Obama won.

These are based on the MSNBC exit polls.

[rinsd]

12. Do you have a link?

Because this is MSNBC's exit poll for Ohio and I don't see that info.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226001/

Also they do not seem to break this down by decimal points preferring whole numbers

[wrando]

15. general

and these repubs will vote for a dem in the general?

don't bet on it

Bill from ct

[rinsd]

18. I wouldn't bet on it.

I just find it funny that people are implying that Hillary won those states on the backs of GOP voters when she did not even win the GOP voters in those states.

[Drachasor]

19. It's called mathematics!

You take the people dissatisfied with Clinton winning (26%), multiply by the number of people dissatisfied who voted for her (12%), and divide by her percent of the overall vote (54%).

Qualitatively you can see how a lot more people voting for her would not be happy if she won compared to Obama.

I am not saying it is Republicans voting to screw up the election, but there is something going on there.

(I wanted to avoid rounding where things were close so that I wouldn't be accused of inflating the numbers. I should have rounded to two decimals places in all those instances, properly speaking -- but that would make 14% in Mississippi, so I hope you understand why I avoided that).

[rinsd]

26. Sorry, now I follow.

I do not doubt GOP voting as sabotage.

That's why I think we should have closed primaries allowing only registered Democrats & Decline To State voters (CA's version of an independent voter since we have an independent party here) the option to vote in the Democratic primary.

[Raine]

20. Self-deleted

my stupid comment cause it made no sense at all...not even to me. :blush: :spank:

[indimuse]

21. k&r

.

[jillan]

23. excellent post!

k/r!

[BigDDem]

27. Didn't you get the memo?

When team "God Damn America" gets GOP votes it's great!!
When Hillary gets them it's bad.

Got it?

:rofl:

[Perky]

30. Hold the phone on that thought I agree but,,,,,

I am fully aware that Obama pulls more GOP and Indy votes than Clinton. THat has been the case throughout the campaign.


Anyone who takses a serious look at polling data would be foolish to say otherwise,


But here is the thing.....WHether it is was the Limbaugh effect or simply because the GOP race had pretty much been decided, the numbers are pretty clear that there has been a near tripling of GOP voters in the last few primaries.


Clinton's support within the GOP has soared while Obama's levels have remained constant.Date Winner State Type2 GOP Sample Clinton Obama Clinton Obama
GOP Voters GOP Voters GOP Total GOP Voters GOP Voters
3-Jan-08 O IA Open..... 3% 10% 44% 7,170 717 3,154.80
8-Jan-08 C1 NH Open..... 3% 8,642 - -
19-Jan-08 C1 NV Open.....4% 4,760 - -
26-Jan-08 O SC Open..... 4% 20% 37% 21,201 4,240 7,844.33
29-Jan-08 NV FL CLosed..... 4% 23% 27% 67,376 15,496 18,191.41
5-Feb-08 C OK Closed..... 7% 0% 0% 28,086 - -
5-Feb-08 O IL Semi-open..... 6% 32% 63% 120,230 38,474 75,745.15
5-Feb-08 O MO Open .....6% 21% 75% 49,227 10,338 36,920.39
5-Feb-08 O AL Open .....6% 56% 42% 32,385 18,135 13,601.52
5-Feb-08 O UT Closed..... 5% 0% 0% 6,131 - -
5-Feb-08 O GA Open .....4% 0% 0% 41,859 - -
5-Feb-08 O AR Open..... 4% 0% 0% 11,541 - -
5-Feb-08 C NJ Semi-open 3% 0% 0% 33,281 - -
5-Feb-08 C TN Open..... 3% 0% 0% 18,123 - -
5-Feb-08 C MA Open..... 2% 0% 0% 24,882 - -
5-Feb-08 C AZ Closed..... 2% 0% 0% 7,791 - -
5-Feb-08 O CT Closed..... 2% 0% 0% 7,012 - -
5-Feb-08 C NM open..... 2% 0% 0% 2,768 - -
5-Feb-08 C NY Closed..... 1% 0% 0% 17,213 - -
5-Feb-08 O DE Closed..... 1% 0% 0% 960 - -
5-Feb-08 C CA Semi-open..... 0% 0% 0% - - -
9-Feb-08 O LA Closed..... 5% 17% 53% 19,347 3,289 10,254.01
12-Feb-08 O VA open..... 7% 25% 71% 67,484 16,871 47,913.48
12-Feb-08 O MD Closed..... 4% 0% 0% 38,562 - -
19-Feb-08 O WI Open..... 9% 28% 72% 99,963 27,990 71,973.49
4-Mar-08 C1 TX Closed..... 9% 46% 53% 253,674 116,690 134,447.18
4-Mar-08 C OH Semi-open..... 9% 49% 49% 196,823 96,443 96,443.22
11-Mar-08 O MS Open .....13% 77% 23% 53,078 40,870 12,207.96


Once could very easily argue that while she did not get more GOP votes then Obama, the fact that she got so many GOP Votes allowed her to offset Obama and thus it allowed her to win Texas and Ohio and score a few delegates in Mississippi.

NOw I understand the objection to open primaries and I understand that some people think Obama's wins are jaded because of this... Sp be it. While his portion of the GOP bote has been remarkably high when compared to Clinton's support up until the last few tilts the impact on the winner has been at best marginal until the last three tilts where CLinton has suddenly done very well.


In Ohio she got 96,000 and prior to that ther trending was about 1/2 that SO she got a 48,000 bump certainly not enough to change the victory

But in Texas, she got 116,000 GOP votes, had she gotten what she typocally got it would hav been about 58,000 less....she won by 100,000 so again it would not have change the outcome.

The numbers in Mississippi cleary show something that is just stunning. Four times the GOP bote and she got three times the percentage of the vote.

GOP turnout has not effected the outcome and probably has had only minimal implact on the delegate race.