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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:19 AM
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Ms Clinton's supporters have gotten their marching orders......
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 07:21 AM by ThatBozGuy
Peter Daou, Ms Clinton's Internet director has disseminated and spammed far and wide the talking points that Ms CLintons supporters should use and what to ignore when the media begins to call into question her negatives that are now raising as her numbers become less and less reachable by day and the questions as various court case aginst her and her family and filed by the campaign against releasing vote counts in Texas which show how high she lost by, show her questionables of character.


Both candidates are running a vigorous campaign. Both have had surrogates or supporters who have crossed the line and made offensive statements that they rejected. And these offensive statements are an unfortunate part of a long and close campaign. Those who make a habit of automatically assuming and ascribing to only one candidate the worst motives, ignoring more reasonable and benign explanations, who substitute conjecture for fact and then use those assumed `facts’ as a foundation on which to pile more conjecture about only one candidate’s intentions, who express anger at negative campaigning and perceived dirty tricks but focus on only one candidate’s words and actions, risk losing credibility. And those who conclude from that one-sided reasoning that Hillary ought to stop seeking victory, should ask themselves if quitting in the middle of a hard-fought - and winnable - contest is a desirable attribute in a future president.


Don't change horse midstream, buck up please don't listen to those stating facts about the details of the numbers against us.......

Just for the record, staying the course beyond all reasonable information and living in denial is a behavior that the Bush administration has regular operated on so it is not "a desirable attribute in a future president" no matter who it is and ecouraging ignorance should not be encouraged by any candidate.


....But there is a sharp line between supporting a candidate (and excusing their faults, which all supporters do to some degree) and conducting a “full assault” on an opponent’s integrity and character. The Obama campaign’s unabashed attacks on Hillary’s honesty and trustworthiness should give every Democrat pause.


Be sure to blame the Mr Obamas campaign when the Media begins holding Ms Clintons feet to the same fire that Mr Obama has just passed through with flying colors.


We are all entitled to support and oppose whomever we choose, but I challenge my online friends to call this “full assault” on Hillary’s character for what it is.


Give a name to any character question a couching in a victim classification because obviously it is a FULL ASSULT to ask character questions of our candidates and any character question of Ms Clinton is an attack and not a measure of Ms Clinton's character or negatives in their own right.

Leadership is not often equated to those who aspire to victimhood.



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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:22 AM
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1. How odd. Your quotations belie everything you say about them.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:25 AM
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2. Through all the bluster... she's still losing
Poor Clinton fans. Bless em for being so fiercely loyal
but sooner or later they're gonna have to face the facts
that they've been consistently losing primaries, delegates,
funding and most of all they've lost their message.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:26 AM
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3. I agree Obama should stop playing the victimhood card.
Welcome to DU, btw.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:29 AM
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5. I Thought He Was Playing The Racist Attack Card!
When did this change? Why was I not notified?
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:39 AM
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8. LOL!!!!!!! I didn't get the memo either!
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:42 AM
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10. Mr Daou did not recently send out that memo
So Ms Clintons supporters do not have that talking point yet, Todays focus is FULL ASSAULT, sort of revised kitchen sink rebound.

You know you reap what you sow, throw the kitchen sink, and you can expect to receive it back.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:46 AM
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11. That too! LOL!
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:37 AM
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7. Please feel free to demonstrate....and thank you.
Please feel free to demonstrate Mr Obama's, Ms Clinton's was in a national debate in front of millions, to paraphrase "why do I always get questions first". There a re a few others. Ms Clinton is a better candidate than that as on the whole, but her slips into passive aggressive behaviors is unbecoming to her strengths.

It has been an interesting time to move from long time lurker to an actual forum poster in the last few months.

But as my signature says, it was finally time to participate and add my voice after Ms Clinton failed to fulfill her Super Tuesday closeout and had to resort to other means to continue.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:28 AM
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4. What Is With These Obama Backers?
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 07:28 AM by MannyGoldstein
They think that "facts" , "honesty", and "votes" are important in choosing the next President. Unbelievable!

While most elected Democrats cravenly voted to avoid our necessary confrontation in Iraq, Hillary bravely swam against the Democratic tide and voted to attack. Now she deserves our thanks - we should give her what's coming to her.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:41 AM
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9. Manny, are you so truely underinformed that you believe what you type?
First you type:
'They think that "facts" , "honesty", and "votes" are important in choosing the next President.'
Then you type:
'Hillary... voted to attack.'
Facts and honesty, Manny? Facts? Honesty?
Then you type:
'Unbelievable!'
Well, that comment about what you've typed is true.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:29 AM
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6. You may receive "marching orders" from somewhere; I don't.

Longtime Clinton supporter -- not on any mass electronic or mailing list at all.

The approach you use in the OP makes me wonder if others DO get talking points. ???
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:48 AM
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I'm a long time Hillary supporter....
I'm on her mailing list and have never received any talking points.
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:48 AM
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13. Not all supporters of either candidate follow a line, in fact many of both, are very educated ...
In their decisions. But in reading the quotes wouldn't you say those without direction could easily take that as a directive?

Also do in reading the quotes can you see at least the action to be taken is a directed effort to cast all question to Ms CLinton's character as a FULL ASSAULT
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:49 AM
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14. I haven't received any "marching orders" either. I have donated to her
campaign, they have my mailing address and email address. I haven't gotten marching orders or talking points. What gives?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:48 AM
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12. Her negatives aren't increasing in the real world. They are holding steady. Obama's are rising...
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 07:50 AM by jackson_dem
In fact a month ago they were three points higher than her negatives now. Obama's increased by 4% during that same period. Source: Rasmussen
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:02 AM
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15. Polls and trolls polls and trolls
I really get confused by people that get confused by the fact that polls are measuring opinions and not reality or facts.

So quoting polls as facts of something is really a confusing effort to say.....?
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