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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:14 PM
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I think I have figured why BO is going negative!
He and his supporters say the race is over, but he must be scared , otherwise he would just keep his so-called positive
message on course. He ain't got it in the bag yet.. Go Hillary
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:15 PM
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1. Bullshit, he knows that, for the good of the party, we need to focus on McCain
WE can't do that,until Hillary gets over her ego.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:26 PM
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14. I'm so sick of that for the good of the party crap
If you feel that way please ask BO to drop out and stop the nonsense.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #14
24. Thats is because you respect a single person instead of the party
and no time in the history of anything competitive does the frontrunner drop out. Thats just stupid logic.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:19 PM
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81. thats why Hillary will not drop out
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:39 PM
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37. if you really cared about the good of the party, he/you wouldn't have alienated the base
you can't win without the base, and from my perspective here in new mexico, he doesn't have a prayer of winning. the base has been alienated completely. so stop pretending you care. that part is BULLSHIT.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:50 PM
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48. So the base is smaller than the body of Barack's supporters. WHY is he winning if he doesn't have
the support of some of the members of the base? Please tell me what you mean by base?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:06 PM
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69. Deleted message
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #69
83. well said
but a little harsh on them. seriously. they don't get it and won't until it's too late.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 PM
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97. I get that the only way we are ever going to win any elections is by getting new Democrats. Some of
them will be disillusioned former Republicans. I know a lot of younger people who were registered as Republicans because they inherited that party from their parents. I was actually registered to be a Republican and my first vote was cast against Clinton in 1996. I actually voted for Bob Dole!
Then, I grew a brain, started paying attention, switched four years later and voted for Gore! The Democrat party earned a life long Democrat in me. The Republicans have fucked up so bad that it is the perfect time to grab some converts.

If it makes some of you feel batter to call me an asswipe, whatever. You just make yourselves look like a belligerent idiots. Good for you.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #37
112. bpeale, I would have to say after the past few weeks
With everything that has happened I would not be surprised if the Democratic base that is voting for Hillary, at least approximately 25% is lost if Obama is the nominee. Just my opinion. That said, they have two debates scheduled in Pa and NC and maybe people will start having a change of heart after the debates.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:15 PM
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2. He just wants everyone to see what a hypocrite Hillary is. I can't wait until they release their tax
returns.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:26 PM
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17. I can't wait until that Rezco trial gets in full swing
Let us see what a HYPOCRITE OBAMA is. :smoke:
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #17
54. It's Rezko. It IS in "full swing" - and I can't wait until...
tomorrow.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:16 PM
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3. How is he going negative, by asking for info that should have already
been provided?
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:19 PM
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5. Yeah, when you ask someone to be honest, thats actually negative according to the HRC camp
"do something negative then when your opponent responds accuse them of going negative"
other words to describe this are
'psychological abuse'
'mindfuck'
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #3
10. Remember anytime you question Hillary
it's a negative attack and your a sexist, just look at the history of her supporters accusations.
It's quite remarkable when you read their attacks on Obama because of his former pastor, its straight from freeper land
In reality their quite scared of her tax returns and records their only hope is an Obama implosion thats why they gravitated towards a pastor, mind you its nothing Obama said himself
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
25. also remember, if you question or say anything about the BO
you are a racist, you are throwing the kitchen sink, you are crap.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:35 PM
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32. Nope never heard that all
I have never heard Obama say vote for me I'm black, I'm sure you heard Hillary say I'm your girl, who whole campaign is to say vote for me because i'm a woman, hasn't that been the message
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:55 PM
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56. My husband and I were just talking about this
When Hillary asked the good people of Mississippi to help put a woman in the white house. Could you imagine if Obama or McCain say help put a man in the white house? Or better yet Obama saying help put a black man in the white house? The shit would of hit the fan with the media and Hillary supporters wailing about race this and race that.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #25
44. The "kitchen sink" line came from the Clinton camp
Hillary also has a quote where she talks about this being the "fun" part of the campaign.
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ExtraGriz Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #44
64. yep and the wright kitchen sink just got crammed
down obama's throat. hillary did that huh?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #25
72. Absolutely right.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:18 PM
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4. why do you support hillary?literally everything about her stinks like republican crook
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:21 PM
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6. First and formost , I like her, then there is her health care plan
her strong will, you all have called her everything in the book, but you haven't put her down yet. If BO was so sure of his winning, he wouldn't panic and go negative. He is just trying to cover his ass about his spiritual advisor and uncle, the Rev. He can take anything he throws.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:23 PM
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9. Both Hillary's and Obama's HC plans suck. nt
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. He can dish it out but he can't take it.
Have you noticed what a UNITER he is? :rofl:
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #11
109. She can dish it out, but can't take it
she can't even handle being criticized on her actual recorded votes, how is she going to be able to handle the GE when she's going to have to provide more substantive answers about her agenda
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:26 PM
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15. Panic? Not quite. He's going negative against Hill because she's
gone sharply negative against him for months now, and he can't afford to let her keep pounding him with hitting back. She may be very unlikely to win the nom, but he has to completely dispatch her.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:34 PM
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31. I really think he is in a panic, big time. He has been all over
the networks this weekend, defending his spiritual advisor, the Rev. You know the one that God Damned America.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. Could you please donate at least $5 to DU? Need some kind of restitution for your stupid posts. n/t
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:52 PM
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53. donated for years, then in turned into the Obama Marathon and I quit to help Hillary.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #31
40. Yeah but if he wasn't
you would say he was hiding, tell me something has USA history been great to the AA, is there something wrong with being angry with the treament of Black America, or are you going to say at least their not in Africa, I sense freeper moment coming from you
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:56 PM
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59. Your senses are totally wrong, I have been a dem all my life
been on this board and payed monies to be here since 2001. Worked hard for Kerry, then in Tenn. went out door to door as well as finance of Harold Ford,Jr. I just can't trust BO , because I know nothing about the true BO. Why would you think I am a freeper because I will not vote for BO?
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #59
67. Mabye it was your smugness in your approach about
that God Damn America preacher moment you had sounds like reference with glee that a freeper would do, again by not putting that sermon in context
and as you say a life long Dem i'd think you would understand where that is coming from
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #31
121. I've been God damning America for years so that
doesn't phase me in the least. As for panic, I see that far more from hilly. She's threatening legal action in TX a sure sign of more hilly panic. And she's been panicking for the last couple of months. She's the panic queen.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #6
20. If going negative is panicking, Hillary went negative a long time ago! She must be panic stricken
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. what stinks is BO n/t
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Hmmmm......
:toast:
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #8
18. lol
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
22. can we knock off this 'bo stinks' crap?
it's really just stupid and insulting.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. Well, Michelle won't let us call him Barrack Hussien Obama,
she hasn't scolded us about BO yet, so I think it ok to use.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. BO = body odor.
saying 'bo stinks' implies something pretty damn offensive.
i think we can use more mature methods to express our dislikes.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:37 PM
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I've heard a lot of folks who have not been bamboozled, or been
given a wink and a nod call him BO. I think it is fine for BO.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:42 PM
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43. i don't care about 'bo' it's 'bo stinks'...
one poster, in particular, was fond of sliming with it.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. And we have the children LOLing and toasting.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. it's gross, wouldn't you say?
:puke:
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. Let's say they reflect poorly on their candidate and supporters. But..
.. kids will be kids.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #22
61. when obama supporters quit saying Hillary stinks...
sure we can knock it off then.....not before. have a nice night, or not.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #61
123. i don't say hillary stinks...though i do dislike how she is managing her campaign lately.
and two wrongs don't make a right.
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #22
101. Be consistant and rebuke the first poster who went down that road.
And I agree with you.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #8
26. !
LOL!
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #8
98. Let's not go down to that level
Just add the poster to your virtual or real ignore list.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. Reminds me very much of Nixon.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:22 PM
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7. Like I've said before
IF he wins the nomination,we will lose the WH. No way will Obama win. Unless he steals it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
29. Uh-huh. "They" steal things, right? (Echoes of Katrina.)
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 08:36 PM by TahitiNut


:eyes: :eyes:


"She" finds (or salvages) things ...



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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #29
63. I believe that "she" is just another entrepreneur.
But those other Not-Un-Obama-like folks obviously just came out the front window of a store.
:sarcasm: <For the Hill folk.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #7
110. Well Hillary is for changing the rules in the middle of the game
which is another way to say "cheating" which is just another form of stealing.

So if their is a thief here it is Hillary. Imagine that, a privileged white person robbing people of their representation out of her sense of entitlement and calling it "right"

and I believe I can say that because I am white, and can't be accused of "reverse racism" for stating an uncomfortable TRUTH.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:24 PM
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13. Can you provide something
that shows he's going to go negative? Asking Hillary to be more transparent doesn't sound negative. Going negative is what G. Ferraro did.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:29 PM
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21. these are some of the things he has already thrown her way:
Disingenuous"
"Too polarizing to win"

'Divisive'
"Untruthful"
"Dishonest"
'Calculating'
"Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"
"Attempting to deceive the American people"
"One of the most secretive politicians in America"
"Literally willing to do anything to win"
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:37 PM
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Ah yes. Today's talking points from the Clinton campaign
most of which, had Obama ever pointed them out which I don't remember him doing, would be quite correct.

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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:39 PM
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38. You just can't face the truth, can ya.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. No, you're right, I just can't.
Me, with my enthusiastic support of first one great candidate, then another, who left the race long ago, leaving me to decide between two candidates I don't find anywhere near progressive enough for my tastes.

I can't face the truth because I watched and measured both of the two left standing and eventually chose the one you yourself don't support. Goodness me, can you ever forgive me for making such a fateful decision?

And BTW, if Clinton gets the nomination, she gets my vote. Call me crazy, huh?

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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. I can forgive, but It's hard for me to forget.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. Please just put me ignore and your problems with me are over
and we can separately but mutually hope for a win in November.

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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #55
80. no problem.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #49
113. kinda like me with the IWR vote
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. Hillary supporters must be programmed not to recognize negative campaigning by their cult leader
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 08:32 PM by earthlover
As to the tax disclosure....obviously it would be a great slam for hillary to disclose her taxes and we find out that they are perfectly free from problems....so why doesn't she just disclose them?
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BigAnth Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:26 PM
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16. Rule #1. Accuse your opponent of the tactics that you are employing. EOM
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #16
35. exactly
its trying to be the democratic rove I mean they have there version Mark Penn
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:37 PM
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34. He's NOT going negative. He's not Hillary or the Repubs. n/t
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:41 PM
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42. Just you wait until tomorrow, he is in a total panic. Scared about the Rev.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #42
60. So you're basing your OP on a PREDICTION?
:eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:39 PM
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. Heckuva first post; now cut it down to 4 paragraphs and provide links. Thanks. nt
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:48 PM
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47. are you the new mod?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. come on, who wants to read that much stuff in ONE post?
and nobody takes unsourced stuff seriously anyway.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:56 PM
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58. I don't make the rules, I just try to abide by them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html


Copyrights: Do not copy-and-paste entire articles onto this discussion forum. When referencing copyrighted work, post a short excerpt (not exceeding 4 paragraphs) with a link back to the original.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:17 PM
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79. I've got a link
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #79
89. is that eau de Kazinsky I smell? n/t
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #39
66. You are really full of hate, aren't you, Mr. Freep?
You may go.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #39
84. I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed
by
madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at
dawn looking for an angry fix,
angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient
heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the
machinery of night,
who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high
sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of
cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities
contemplating jazz,
who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and
saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tene-
ment roofs illuminated,
who passed through universities with radiant cool
eyes hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy
among the scholars of war,
who were expelled from the academies for crazy &
publishing obscene odes on the windows of the skull,
who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burn-
ing their money in wastebaskets and listening
to the Terror through the wall,
who got busted in their pubic beards returning through
Laredo with a belt of marijuana for New York,
who ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in
Paradise Alley, death, or purgatoried their torsos night after night
with dreams, with drugs, with waking nightmares, al-
cohol and cock and endless balls,
incomparable blind; streets of shuddering cloud and

lightning in the mind leaping toward poles of
Canada & Paterson, illuminating all the mo-
tionless world of Time between,
Peyote solidities of halls, backyard green tree cemetery
dawns, wine drunkenness over the rooftops,
storefront boroughs of teahead joyride neon
blinking traffic light, sun and moon and tree
vibrations in the roaring winter dusks of Brook-
lyn, ashcan rantings and kind king light of mind,
who chained themselves to subways for the endless
ride from Battery to holy Bronx on benzedrine
until the noise of wheels and children brought
them down shuddering mouth-wracked and
battered bleak of brain all drained of brilliance
in the drear light of Zoo,
who sank all night in submarine light of Bickford's
floated out and sat through the stale beer after
noon in desolate Fugazzi's, listening to the crack
of doom on the hydrogen jukebox,
who talked continuously seventy hours from park to
pad to bar to Bellevue to museum to the Brook-
lyn Bridge, lost battalion of platonic conversationalists jumping
down the stoops off fire escapes off windowsills
off Empire State out of the moon, yacketayakking screaming vomiting whispering facts
and memories and anecdotes and eyeball kicks
and shocks of hospitals and jails and wars,
whole intellects disgorged in total recall for seven days
and nights with brilliant eyes, meat for the
Synagogue cast on the pavement,
who vanished into nowhere Zen New Jersey leaving a
trail of ambiguous picture postcards of Atlantic
City Hall, suffering Eastern sweats and Tangerian bone-grind-
ings and migraines of China under junk-with-
drawal in Newark's bleak furnished room,
who wandered around and around at midnight in the
railroad yard wondering where to go, and went,
leaving no broken hearts, who lit cigarettes in boxcars boxcars boxcars racketing
through snow toward lonesome farms in grand-
father night, who studied Plotinus Poe St. John of the Cross telep-
athy and bop kabbalah because the cosmos in-
stinctively vibrated at their feet in Kansas,
who loned it through the streets of Idaho seeking vis-
ionary indian angels who were visionary indian
angels, who thought they were only mad when Baltimore
gleamed in supernatural ecstasy, who jumped in limousines with the Chinaman of Okla-
homa on the impulse of winter midnight street
light smalltown rain, who lounged hungry and lonesome through Houston
seeking jazz or sex or soup, and followed the
brilliant Spaniard to converse about America
and Eternity, a hopeless task, and so took ship
to Africa, who disappeared into the volcanoes of Mexico leaving
behind nothing but the shadow of dungarees
and the lava and ash of poetry scattered in fire
place Chicago, who reappeared on the West Coast investigating the
F.B.I. in beards and shorts with big pacifist
eyes sexy in their dark skin passing out incom-
prehensible leaflets,
who burned cigarette holes in their arms protesting
the narcotic tobacco haze of Capitalism,
who distributed Supercommunist pamphlets in Union
Square weeping and undressing while the sirens
of Los Alamos wailed them down, and wailed
down Wall, and the Staten Island ferry also
wailed, who broke down crying in white gymnasiums naked
and trembling before the machinery of other
skeletons, who bit detectives in the neck and shrieked with delight
in policecars for committing no crime but their
own wild cooking pederasty and intoxication,
who howled on their knees in the subway and were
dragged off the roof waving genitals and manu-
scripts, who let themselves be fucked in the ass by saintly
motorcyclists, and screamed with joy,
who blew and were blown by those human seraphim,
the sailors, caresses of Atlantic and Caribbean
love, who balled in the morning in the evenings in rose
gardens and the grass of public parks and
cemeteries scattering their semen freely to
whomever come who may,
who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up
with a sob behind a partition in a Turkish Bath
when the blond & naked angel came to pierce
them with a sword, who lost their loveboys to the three old shrews of fate
the one eyed shrew of the heterosexual dollar
the one eyed shrew that winks out of the womb
and the one eyed shrew that does nothing but
sit on her ass and snip the intellectual golden
threads of the craftsman's loom,
who copulated ecstatic and insatiate with a bottle of
beer a sweetheart a package of cigarettes a can-
dle and fell off the bed, and continued along
the floor and down the hall and ended fainting
on the wall with a vision of ultimate cunt and
come eluding the last gyzym of consciousness,
who sweetened the snatches of a million girls trembling
in the sunset, and were red eyed in the morning
but prepared to sweeten the snatch of the sun
rise, flashing buttocks under barns and naked
in the lake, who went out whoring through Colorado in myriad
stolen night-cars, N.C., secret hero of these
poems, cocksman and Adonis of Denver-joy
to the memory of his innumerable lays of girls
in empty lots & diner backyards, moviehouses'
rickety rows, on mountaintops in caves or with
gaunt waitresses in familiar roadside lonely pet-
ticoat upliftings & especially secret gas-station
solipsisms of johns, & hometown alleys too,
who faded out in vast sordid movies, were shifted in
dreams, woke on a sudden Manhattan, and
picked themselves up out of basements hung
over with heartless Tokay and horrors of Third
Avenue iron dreams & stumbled to unemploy-
ment offices, who walked all night with their shoes full of blood on
the snowbank docks waiting for a door in the
East River to open to a room full of steamheat
and opium, who created great suicidal dramas on the apartment
cliff-banks of the Hudson under the wartime
blue floodlight of the moon & their heads shall
be crowned with laurel in oblivion,
who ate the lamb stew of the imagination or digested
the crab at the muddy bottom of the rivers of
Bowery, who wept at the romance of the streets with their
pushcarts full of onions and bad music,
who sat in boxes breathing in the darkness under the
bridge, and rose up to build harpsichords in
their lofts, who coughed on the sixth floor of Harlem crowned
with flame under the tubercular sky surrounded
by orange crates of theology, who scribbled all night rocking and rolling over lofty
incantations which in the yellow morning were
stanzas of gibberish, who cooked rotten animals lung heart feet tail borsht
& tortillas dreaming of the pure vegetable kingdom, who plunged themselves under meat trucks looking for an egg,
who threw their watches off the roof to cast their ballot
for Eternity outside of Time, & alarm clocks
fell on their heads every day for the next decade,
who cut their wrists three times successively unsuccess-
fully, gave up and were forced to open antique
stores where they thought they were growing
old and cried, who were burned alive in their innocent flannel suits
on Madison Avenue amid blasts of leaden verse
& the tanked-up clatter of the iron regiments
of fashion & the nitroglycerine shrieks of the
fairies of advertising & the mustard gas of sinis-
ter intelligent editors, or were run down by the
drunken taxicabs of Absolute Reality,
who jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge this actually hap-
pened and walked away unknown and forgotten
into the ghostly daze of Chinatown soup alley
ways & firetrucks, not even one free beer,
who sang out of their windows in despair, fell out of
the subway window, jumped in the filthy Pas-
saic, leaped on negroes, cried all over the street,
danced on broken wineglasses barefoot smashed
phonograph records of nostalgic European
1930s German jazz finished the whiskey and
threw up groaning into the bloody toilet, moans
in their ears and the blast of colossal steam
whistles,
who barreled down the highways of the past journeying
to each other's hotrod-Golgotha jail-solitude
watch or Birmingham jazz incarnation,
who drove crosscountry seventytwo hours to find out
if I had a vision or you had a vision or he had
a vision to find out Eternity,
who journeyed to Denver, who died in Denver, who
came back to Denver & waited in vain, who
watched over Denver & brooded & loned in
Denver and finally went away to find out the
Time, & now Denver is lonesome for her heroes,
who fell on their knees in hopeless cathedrals praying
for each other's salvation and light and breasts,
until the soul illuminated its hair for a second,
who crashed through their minds in jail waiting for
impossible criminals with golden heads and the
charm of reality in their hearts who sang sweet
blues to Alcatraz,
who retired to Mexico to cultivate a habit, or Rocky
Mount to tender Buddha or Tangiers to boys
or Southern Pacific to the black locomotive or
Harvard to Narcissus to Woodlawn to the
daisychain or grave,
who demanded sanity trials accusing the radio of hyp
notism & were left with their insanity & their
hands & a hung jury
who threw potato salad at CCNY lecturers on Dadaism
and subsequently presented themselves on the
granite steps of the madhouse with shaven heads
and harlequin speech of suicide, demanding in-
stantaneous lobotomy,
and who were given instead the concrete void of insulin
Metrazol electricity hydrotherapy psycho-
therapy occupational therapy pingpong &
amnesia,
who in humorless protest overturned only one symbolic
pingpong table, resting briefly in catatonia,
returning years later truly bald except for a wig of
blood, and tears and fingers, to the visible mad
man doom of the wards of the madtowns of the
East,
Pilgrim State's Rockland's and Greystone's foetid
halls, bickering with the echoes of the soul, rock-
ing and rolling in the midnight solitude-bench
dolmen-realms of love, dream of life a night-
mare, bodies turned to stone as heavy as the
moon,
with mother finally ******, and the last fantastic book
flung out of the tenement window, and the last
door closed at 4. A.M. and the last telephone
slammed at the wall in reply and the last fur-
nished room emptied down to the last piece of
mental furniture, a yellow paper rose twisted
on a wire hanger in the closet, and even that
imaginary, nothing but a hopeful little bit of
hallucination
ah, Carl, while you are not safe I am not safe, and
now you're really in the total animal soup of
time
and who therefore ran through the icy streets obsessed
with a sudden flash of the alchemy of the use
of the ellipse the catalog the meter & the vibrat-
ing plane,
who dreamt and made incarnate gaps in Time & Space
through images juxtaposed, and trapped the
archangel of the soul between 2 visual images
and joined the elemental verbs and set the noun
and dash of consciousness together jumping
with sensation of Pater Omnipotens Aeterna
Deus
to recreate the syntax and measure of poor human
prose and stand before you speechless and intel-
ligent and shaking with shame, rejected yet con-
fessing out the soul to conform to the rhythm
of thought in his naked and endless head,
the madman bum and angel beat in Time, unknown,
yet putting down here what might be left to say
in time come after death,
and rose reincarnate in the ghostly clothes of jazz in
the goldhorn shadow of the band and blew the
suffering of America's naked mind for love into
an eli eli lamma lamma sabacthani saxophone
cry that shivered the cities down to the last radio
with the absolute heart of the poem of life butchered
out of their own bodies good to eat a thousand
years.

--Allen Ginsburg, "Howl"
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #84
90. LOL,
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:31 PM by JohnnyLib2
Thanks, we needed that.

Shall we adjourn to City Lights in San Fran?

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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #90
99. I'm hip to that, daddy-o.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #99
103. Then it's on to the Buena Vista Cafe for Irish Coffee !

Slainte!


Damn, that 1st post guy has inspired me.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #84
93. The perfect response!
:toast:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #84
105. perfect. n/t
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #84
119. my fingers are snapping in appreciation
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #39
88. When I want to read that much spewing text
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:34 PM by sheeptramp
I settle into a sudsy tub with my reading glasses and a bottle of Dr Bronners Soap.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #39
94. Until this day I thought I knew what spam was
sir, or ma'am, I salute you.

:patriot:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #39
104. That was AMAZING!!!!!
I don't know whether to vomit or applaud.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #39
107. I've found the perfect soundtrack for that post of yours...
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #39
111. Got a little of that "cut & paste" magic going on there, do you?
Redstone
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #39
117. uhm if you think i've got the attention span to read that
you've been smoking crack

give me the bullet man, the cliff's notes, or whatever

I bet I'm talking to the dead though?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #39
118. Obama is a "half-black, half-American guy"? Are you kidding me?
Here's hoping you never make it to post #2.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #39
120. you must be exhausted. sorry--but i don't have the time to read it. n/t
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:51 PM
Response to Original message
50. Ah, another stunning insight. Give us more of them, please, that we may
more fully understand the ways of the world.

Redstone
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #50
68. I don't think you people would face the truth if it hit you in the face.
You know you wouldn't. You can't understand the ways of the world. You just haven't seen that much of it. You have your heads in the sand. You will wake up though. When you see the truth of just what is behind the BO curtain.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. "You people." I think you've just told us all we need to know about you.
Redstone
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. and what is that?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. that you're one of those people who will lecture others by addressing them as "you people."
Strident, gibbering, self-aggrandizing people who deign to lecture others on proper behavior from above; from their lofty, omnipotent perches they issue inarguable edicts to the huddled, ignorant masses of "you people," and are so deluded that they actually expect that "we people" will cravenly genuflect in the face of such imperious wisdom and beg for forgiveness from the Superior Ones.

Yes, when you issue marching orders and thought corrections to "you people," you'll EXPECT that your orders will be followed.

As you should expect. Because, well, you TOLD us ("you people")what to think, didn't you? You TOLD us that you had all the answers. And if "we people" don't fall in line with your dictates, well, it's just too bad for us, isn't it?

Redstone
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #82
91. Paranoid much? I'm sorry, I'm just a plain old Hillary supporter
You need to come on back to the real world and calm down. I'm not for the candidate that expects the to clouds open up and let the sun shine on you and that you will see that I have come to save the world.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #91
96. I'm not playing your game. On to The List with you; you've gotten tiresome.
Redstone
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #96
100. then take a break, I really think you need one, go somewhere and try to relax. It will do you good.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:43 PM by Mags
Maybe you will see the light and know what is best for our Country. I know it gets pretty tiresome trying to defend BO at every turn.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:52 PM
Response to Original message
52. Hillary's filthy, rotten "kitchen sink" strategy is contemptable.
Right out of the republican playbook. Hillary smears her opponent and then cries foul when he responds.

I used to like Hillary but she has become a vile person as her ambition overrides her common decency and common sense.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:55 PM
Response to Original message
57. he is? now what happened?
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:57 PM
Response to Original message
62. Obama Negative ?"Old Politics" is OK if he uses it?HYPOCRITE
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:01 PM
Response to Original message
65. Right. It is not negative to say "Let's be transparent. I showed mine, you show yours."
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #65
71. Bless your hearts, BO has gone for months and has not showed
his real relationship with Rezko and the Rev. Now the stuff is hiting the fan and he is in a full force panic.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. I'll send you a postcard from the inauguration
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. dream on.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #71
76. You're boring AND transparent! In someone's immortal words, Goodbye! nt
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. bye sweetie, it's been real.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:09 PM
Response to Original message
75. OMG, is this our very first DU filibuster?

See post 39. :rofl:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #75
85. post #1, newly registered, fundie talking points?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:25 PM by RainDog
sounds like a



to me

and then "mags" with the "you people" subject header below. you people? white males? (I think that's Redstone in one respect...he's probably much more than the color of his skin and his gender, but not to some people, apparently) -or democrats? the sane? the not-the-same-person-you-support people?

alert is a useful tool to deal with crapa-tellists tools.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #85
92. No alert, yet, still enjoying the fray
:evilgrin:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #85
114. Thanks for the good words. But I'm only a HALF-white male. The other half is American Indian.
Redstone
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:25 PM
Response to Original message
86. He is just tired of being wrongfully slammed in the press, at some point everybody fights back
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:26 PM
Response to Original message
87. Why don't you give us some examples for once?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:26 PM by AZBlue
I'm tired of your baseless wild accusations.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #87
95. read the whold thread, if you are tired then go somewhere else.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #95
108. Yeah really. Ginsburg's 'Howl' explains it all.
Sheesh.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #87
115. What, you're hoping for miracles? The OP has none of those. Just more BS, piled higher.
Redstone
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:47 PM
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102. Absolutely, spot on.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:47 PM
Response to Original message
106. He's trying to refocus the debate on Clinton. She can't continously pummel him until PA
He needs to show he can attack as well as he can defend.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:34 PM
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116. Nah it's payback. Sometime folks gotta cash those checks.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:01 AM
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122. Another (yawn) ALLEGED "Long time Lurker" moved to post...
Get a life JAFOs
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