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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:24 AM
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The wheels have fallen off the Hopemobile
Even if he manages to eek out a victory this primary season, which is unlikely, because he will be seen as damaged goods and someone who will have no chance of winning the GE; he will be crushed in the GE maybe winning IL.

I am very disturbed by our democratic "leaders" who forced this charade down our throats without properly vetting the candidate.

The Democratic Party has just about guaranteed a republican victory in November.

Once again, screwed by our own.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:26 AM
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1. Haven't you heard??
Hope Floats...It doesn't need wheels..
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:26 AM
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4. sometimes shit floats too. nt
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 AM
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10. Yes that is true
And some times it hits the fan and the person standing in front of it gets splattered.
Word of advice ...Don't stand in front of it when you launch your turd.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:40 AM
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136. the "Strikers" from Kos have all swarmed over here
too bad, but at least Kos is a better place for it.

But the strikers are still living in their parents' basement.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:55 AM
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45. Mr. Hankey floats and does the side stroke.
And what's truly remarkable about Mr. Hankey, is that he doesn't stink.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:25 PM
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116. no one is 'forcing' anything. people are voting for him in greater
numbers than her. what is so hard for you to accept about that? I hated it when John Edwards was losing but that was because of the vote total, not because of some fucking conspiracy by the party or anyone.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:26 AM
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2. Not the Dems, Hillary!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:39 AM
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30. yeah Hillary paid to Have Rev Wright say those things and secertly made video s
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:01 AM
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51. Do you think that her campaign sent out edited videotapes to the press>
I mean, the very truncated selections were taken from speeches over the span of six years - and all the press organizations are running the same clips.

Interesting.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:02 AM
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54. Wright's church SELLS those tapes. I bet Obama owns every one.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:23 AM
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95. NO. But you can be sure Sean Hannity does. BTW anyone can buy them at URL
http://www.tucc.org/store/trumpet_order.cfm?action=moreinfo&pid=6611

(Warning: 558k text, but >1.5 megabyte repetitive graphics)

$15 dvd / $10 cd per sermon, dating back to 2002
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #54
127. Obama is a fraud
and the biggest political opportunist since GWB; pandering to both sides of the fence.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #127
134. show us your tax returns dating back to 2000, Hillary
we want to know how you made your $54 million.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:02 AM
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55. actually the reverend sold the tapes
one could get them at the church's website. I guess that was set up by Hillary too.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:10 AM
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60. Who bought them and edited six years down to two minutes that played on every network?
That question doesn't interest you?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:30 AM
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70. I would assume the news outlets did
I sure wouldn't take an editted tape from someone else when it would be so easy to get my own. Now, did the Clinton campaign point out the existance of the website, maybe? Does that bother me, no.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:02 PM
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109. So every news outlet each bought 6 years worth of tapes and each edited them down to the same 2 min?
Huh.

You sure someone didn't take an edited tape from someone else somewhere down the line?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:07 PM
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111. I would imagine they were pointed to certain tapes
and that one outlets tapes are being reused. I am assuming he didn't say vile stuff 24/7.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:46 AM
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98. Sean Hannity claims he went to Divinity School, and was pushing this a year ago
Someone said Wright has been on the list of 10 most influential African-American preachers; a self-styled divinity-school type would have jumped on that lead as soon as he saw Obama's attribution for the title of "Audacity of Hope".

IMO, every other media outlet and every non-Obama political faction is simply following Hannity's lead on his second-effort revival of an old story. And, IMO, McCain's people must be FURIOUS at Hannity for moving again on the wright story too early. Remember, Kerry was swift-boated in August, not in March.

But then again, didn't Wolfson indicate a couple of monthhs ago that they had something really explosive on Obama, but were holding back for the good of the Party? What could it have been if not the Wright story, gleaned from monitoring Hannity a year ago?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #55
147. How much did they cost?
I wonder about the good "pastor"'s tax returns.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:12 AM
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63. They came from McCain according to the NYTImes
This is Obama's mess, not Hillary's.
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AndrewJacksonFaction Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:46 AM
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83. NY Times and McCain
Do have a link to this?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #63
135. McCain and HIllary share same advisory firm
add that to Bill's friendship with Rush Limbaugh and you have a mess
that Hillary can pretend she didn't make.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #51
88. you're joking right?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #30
133. here you go
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:42 AM
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79. yeah---Hillary put those words in Wrights mouth and made BO associate himself with Wright. got it.
NOT
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:26 AM
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3. Who will you vote for in November? You have probably already
posted the answer to this but I missed it if you did.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:27 AM
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6. I will vote for the dem nominee because I am a partisan, but unlikely indies will.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:31 AM
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71. Odd that.
This board is awash in bullshit about how Obama is only winning because of independent voters.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:29 PM
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122. do you know that voting is done in secret?
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:27 AM
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7. Where is all this Doom and Gloom coming from
We all knew the swiftboating would begin before the convention
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 AM
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8. Nonsense.
By the time November rolls around the economy will be in such sad shape that the Dems could elect my dog if they wanted to.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:30 AM
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14. The economy is already in that shape now.
McCain and the repuke party are in about as weak a position as they can be in - moreso than when poppy Bush tried running again.

But the Clinton supporters will make sure that they support McCain and get out the vote for him in order to keep their chances alive in 2012.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:43 AM
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96. If they purposefully sabotage the Dems in November...
then they need to be drummed out of the Democratic Party. The stakes in this country are too high right now for anyone to want to play politics with the welfare of this country.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:18 PM
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117. I'd consider voting for your dog if Hillary gets the nomination.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 AM
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9. The biggest "one of our own" who has screwed us is...
...Hillary Clinton and her unwillingness to admit she cannot win now or in November.

Get a clue....:eyes:

Note: "One of our own" is in parens because IMO Hillary is merely DINO.
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soundguy Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 AM
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29. Keep Your Cool Aide Pitcher Full and
Click you heels together three times and keep repeating , I wish it were true, I wish it were true, I wish it were true........

Hillary will whip McCain period!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:40 AM
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32. Talk about drinking Kool Aid....
...take a look in the mirror, OK?

:rofl:

Project much?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:40 AM
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34. Actually, it goes back much further to the Clenis & unfortunately for Hill she has
intimate knowledge of the damage it can do, as it is a serial offender
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 AM
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11. I ssume you will be one of the many Clinton supporters who will be voting for McCain?
Since Clinton endorsed McCain, this is only natural!!! ;)
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:29 AM
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12. wow... I wasn't aware the "our democratic leaders"...
forced my wife and I into the voting booth and made us vote for Obama...
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:30 AM
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15. they knew about this and most did not. You may have and probably would still vote for him
but he will never ever win a GE.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:41 AM
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35. Please... there are not that many small minded people
in this country.. most thinking adults can seperate a person's views from that of the person's friends or paster. Obama will do fine in the GE.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:01 AM
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52. you don't know the american voter then. nt
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:39 AM
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76. so what your saying is that we shouldn't nominate...
Obama because American's are stupid???
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:46 AM
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82. I think we should nominate someone that can win. and at this point
it's unlikely either will because of the circumstances we find ourselves in today.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #82
92. You better start campaigning for Obama because it
would take an act of god for Hillary to win this thing anymore... the math don't lie...
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:37 AM
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132. Utter crap, but you knew that.
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carlotta Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:30 AM
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13. It relied on the cult of personality from the beginning
Nothing wrong with charisma, but without a proper vetting or examination of the candidate, we are, as you said, screwed by our own.

From the start, Obama's campaign has been about himself--how "he" is different, how "he" can bring hope and change, how "he" can inspire the country. Now we learn that "he" has some major baggage, and that "he" may ruin our chances in the general election.

Sad.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:31 AM
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17. Is that why his main slogan is
Yes WE can?
He will do fine..Even without your vote
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:43 AM
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37. Baggage is the Clinton middle name, Biden has the plagarism baggage, Edwards is an ambulance chaser
obsessed with his hair. Kerry testified at the Winter Soldier hearings & threw medals over a fence.

so what is your point?

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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:31 AM
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16. McCain is expected winner over Obama...
It's the media and Rebublican plan. It doesn't mean give up, however; it means try harder. Fight.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:33 AM
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18. Yeah, and Hillary will do better!?!? :rolleyes:, no seriously you guys arent helping
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:35 AM
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21. I did not say Hillary will do better.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:35 AM by MassDemm
In fact, I said we may lose either way because of the circumstances.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:21 AM
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93. So then you've given up.
Why are you still here then? Are you just here to bum everyone out with your crazy predictions?

That's really sad.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:34 AM
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19. It's more like Hillaryworld is down to a couple cannon balls...
Obama will be the nominee. Period. Game. Set. Match.

He will pick a VP that doesn't have Clinton as a last name. The ticket will be a winner.

Obama will beat McCain by 10-14% in the fall. The RNC already knows it.

If you don't want to support Obama, no worries. There are millions of people as well as many new voters in the Democratic Party that are very excited to get Obama in the White House.

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:34 AM
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20. LMAO!
:rofl:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:35 AM
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22. I think Hillary can win Guam. Other than that she has no chance
:rofl:

my statement is probably more relevant than your entire thread
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:36 AM
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23. I'll miss you most of all MassDemm!
Umm, actually not.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:36 AM
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26. Oh thanks bo bo . nt
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:36 AM
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24. He is still being vetted. And he will survive. And so will Dems.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:36 AM
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25. Maybe letting Oprah pick the candidate wasn't such a good idea after all.
Who ever woulda thunk it?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:14 AM
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64. She had the good sense to split from Wright
long ago.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 AM
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27. Go take your delusions back to HillaryIs44.
Sorry, but this "scandal" has no legs.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #27
78. guess you missed the Sun am talk shows
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:47 AM
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84. You mean the one with Pelosi?
I did miss that. Can you give me a recap?
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 AM
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28. You're right to be in such a bad mood.
I'd be really cranky and pessimistic too if my
candidate was losing as nasty as Hillary.
It's totally understandable that your anger makes
you want to lash out at your adversaries like this.

May sunny optimism once again grace your world
and bring you happiness.



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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:49 AM
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99. Amen. It is so obvious what it's about!! My candidate is getting her ass kicked let me lash out!
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:39 AM
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31. I have been saying the same for quite some time.
The Dem party leaders really fell down on this one.

We are screwed.
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:40 AM
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33. The hopemobile has been slowed by the stunning
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:01 AM by ecdab
revelation that many democrats would cast aside the fight for multiculturalism and ethnic understanding in order to scare up a few votes in Pennsylvania. The hopemobile has been slowed by Democrats that choose to use religious differences as weapon against their own. The hopemobile has been slowed by ignorant Democrats that think being black is something that candidates need to be "vetted" for.

Certainly hope can be attacked with fear and hate - it has always been so. Certainly hope can be slowed by small mindedness and ignorance - it has always been so.

Fear. This has become a campaign about fear for one side and hope for the other.

We have nothing to fear except that fear will consume a large enough portion of our party to hand the General Election to McCain.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:44 AM
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38. win.
perfect response.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:43 AM
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36. Check the political currents out of Iowa yesterday. Obama gained more
delegates, increasing his lead over your gal.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:58 AM
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108. Yep...
...maybe the 'wheels are coming off' as a result of all the delegates (and voters) jumping aboard.


Time for bigger wheels. :thumbsup:
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:47 AM
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39. and this is news? look how these scumbags have acted and the hrc crew are scummiest of all
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:49 AM
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40. You you wish, pray and hope
that Obama is done. That remains to be seen. And no one forced Obama down our throats. The MSM and Clinton tried to force Hilly down our throats with the inevitablility crap but it didn't work. Obama will or will not survive this. And Hilly is just as screwed or more so in the general. This process has damaged both of them- in large part because of the dirty campaigning the Clintons so love.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:52 AM
Original message
you know they have hours upon hours of this stuff don't you. you can't think
that this is all.

And wait for the one that shows Obama or his wife agreeing by nodding their heads or clapping.

It will end it for him.
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:55 AM
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46. Yes - fear the scary black man
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:02 AM by ecdab
and what ever you do - abandon your fight for racial and cultural understanding - because the scary Republicans will turn out racists in droves if you do not!

Idiot. Sorry, I apologize for the idiot comment, at least partially.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:17 AM
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66. Rather - fear the religious demogogue
and all the mindless mob who fall in line.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:06 AM
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87. I suppose it would have been better for Obama to be in Hillary's prayer group with Rick Santorum?

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

I wonder why this isn't being talked about much now!

Answer?

The GOP and the MSM!
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:52 AM
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42. dupe
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:54 AM by MassDemm
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:53 AM
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43. dup post
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:50 AM
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41. Fuck The Will Of The People
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:50 AM by MannyGoldstein
Those silly Obamaniacs with their ideas about "majority rule". Didn't anyone tell them that we lost the War of "Independence" started by those thugs back in 1776? Who in their right mind could think that anything but a dynastic monarchy can separate man from the beasts.

Sad. Really sad.

We should ship those Obama freaks off to re-education camps.
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galileo3000 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:54 AM
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44. Just because an associate has radical views doesn't mean they are shared.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:00 AM by galileo3000
I'm sorry, but I don't think this is a big deal unless we make it a big deal. Any strong polictical candidate is going to be surrounded by those with their own agenda. If I found out that Neo Nazi's were sending money to Obama, Hillary, or McCain, it does not mean that those candidates endorse any of their views. Obama has consistently offered a message that is 180 degrees from that of Reverend Wright. Why should we think that he feels otherwise. I have friends who are radicalized in both directions, but I am still their friend and I am proud that I can think for myself despite their views. Obama should campaign on his ability to rise above Wright's message, to see the good and the promise of america despite how easy it is to see our faults. Any fool can point out what is wrong, and bitch or complain. It takes a seriously wise person to see the good. As my mom used to say, love means "warts and all". Obama message has been one of bringing this fragmented nation together, and the fact that he is friends with those with whom he vehemently disagrees shows that it is not just lip service, but that he is facing the front lines of this struggle every Sunday.

If he shook the hands of a Klansman, it would be seen as an act of courage, not an endorsement. I say he should go back to the press and say that yes he knew about these statements and has had his faith in our nation successfully tested (more than most).



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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:56 AM
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49. the republicans will make it a big deal, better start living in reality. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:02 AM
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53. Yes, because he looks and talks like an radical black man right?
And a few months ago people were wondering if he was black enough!
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:12 AM
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61. Listen, stop insinuating that I am a racist. I am a realist. I want to win the GE
he is not going to win the GE and Hillary probably won't either, that is the purpose of this OP.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:16 AM
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65. I didn't say you were a racist. I was explaining why the Wright smear won't work.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:21 AM
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67. and I'm explaining why it will. nt
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:24 AM
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68. If you are not a racist then you are a coward that is willing
to cast off the fight for ethnic understanding and equality because you fear what the those that oppose us will do. You are willing to give up the fight and, in fact, turn against it. That isn't winning - that is crapping in your own pants or trying to scare other people into crapping in their pants in order to garner votes. There is a dose of realism for you - racist, coward or fear monger, take your pick.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:51 AM
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101. Ouch!!!
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:54 AM
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105. you sound like reverend wright. nt
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:16 PM
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119. Thanks. You sound like a racist or a coward. nt
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:31 AM
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149. you sound like reverend wright too. nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:55 AM
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47. Iowa.
It's over. Again.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:56 AM
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48. RASMUSSEN DAILY TRACKING: O-47 C-44
Oh dear me! He needs to resign from the Senate now.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:00 AM
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50. The hopemobile was nothing but a farce to begin with. I too
am pissed that Kennedy tried to shove Obama down our throats. They had to know about this baggage! Obama might very well end up
being our nominee but the R527's are going to take him down. We are so screwed.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:04 AM
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57. The Hopemobile was a bandwagon, and like all bandwagons, it ran out of steam.
Just how far did the Obama Camp think "Vote for me or you're a bigot" would take him?
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:53 AM
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102. LOL...who's winning and who got the Iowa delegate vote even after "Preachergate?"
Thought so.

Put down the crack pipe and pick up the peace pipe.. Hillary will never get the lead, she's so done, you can stick a straw in her..
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:02 AM
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56. The Republicans won't win an November regardless of who our nominee is
People aren't even going to care about all this nonsense by the time the general election comes.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:40 PM
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123. Smartest response on this thread so far. Congratulations. Bush is
at an all time low and Americans want change. There is no way McCain will win, no way, unless the electoral process is rigged.

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Jensen Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:06 AM
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58. "The Hopemobile" as in Hope, Ak Clinton and Hope Obama???
I think most people are sick and tired of the Iraq war, the killing of "Our" troops, the amount of money we have wasted while our country economy, reputation is going down a rat hole to vote for McBush III. That said... Hillary voted for the war and is more in tune with the Bush Administration policies, that in it self would make her less of a possible President.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:06 AM
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59. Wait until this week's news
Obama proven to be in attendence during Wright's sermons.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:04 PM
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110. naw, they'll be busy figuring out the brackets for March Madness
Politics are going to be aside for about a week or two....
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:12 AM
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62. Your post really comes across as whiny and bereft of any real facts.
So, par for your course! :thumbsup:
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:51 AM
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100. I have a brain that I use you use a speech, words, are wrights words, "just words" or do they mean
something?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:11 PM
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112. Can you recontruct that sentence to something intelligable?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:29 AM
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69. We need to dump both these losers, and nominate "generic Democrat" It's clearly our best chance in
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:29 AM by MNDemNY
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:32 AM
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72. Change we cant believe in ...
Obama has been propped up by a crowd of democrats that, sadly, seem to fit nicely into the political mold cast by the right wing hate machine.

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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:33 AM
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73. maybe winning Il. ?
Thats a hoot.

Go lay down.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:34 AM
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74. Can you show us the numbers that support this contention?
Even if he manages to eek out a victory this primary season, which is unlikely

Pretty please?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:37 AM
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75. Juan Williams talked of how BO wants to transend--yet play in the racial politics
sandbox. my paraphase.
Says it will be very difficult for BO going forward.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:54 AM
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103. You listen to Juan Williams..lol..now I know what the frick is wrong with you...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:39 AM
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77. The glitter is starting to wear off. The bandwagon is in slow gear at this moment
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:44 AM
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80. I fear how this may play out. The Dems are doomed as it is now.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:46 AM
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81. Haven't you said, many times, that Hillary will win? Whatcha "concerned" about then?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:33 AM by SoCalDem


Happy St. Pats :)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:48 AM
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85. It means the OP has finally moved past the denial stage.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:55 AM
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106. Soooooooooooooooo true! ha ha..bingo
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:04 AM
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86. Vetted? HRC vetting hasn't even started! Where are her records???
The times they will be changing! Just wait - the MSM hasn't even started to touch HRC!

:dilemma:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:16 AM
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90. Ken Starr spent $75 million of our money vetting Hillary and came up empty handed SHE'S BEEN VETTED!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:17 AM
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91. Vetting Hillary Rodham or Hillary and Bill Clinton? That is the question...
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:18 AM by anonymous171
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:54 AM
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104. Why aren't we hearing about these issues & trials of HRC?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:59 AM by 1776Forever
Why isn't the media talking about the trial coming up in Oct. '08 for Peter Paul who says he gave the Clinton's $2 million that they didn't report?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

Why isn't the sale of HRC's campaign mailing list being questioned more to a huge Indian-American supporter named Gupta who had flown Hillary and Bill on private trips and given Bill a 3 million bonus for consulting and Gupta's investors filed a court case because of this?

http://richmonddemocrat.blogspot.com/2008/02/hillary-clinton-sold-her-donor-list.html

And why isn't Clinton releasing her earmarks and tax records?

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_earmark_requests_you_a.html

.......

Because of this and a lot more I cannot support HRC.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:17 AM
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151. I guess they don't want to take the
word of a convicted felon in smearing Hillary. Probably good thinking although the right will use it.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:56 AM
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107. How's about post Ken Starr? Where are the tax returns? Where are Bill's donor's list? Where are
her first lady records, schedules, meetings?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:14 PM
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113. why did you want "Bill's" donor list?. He isn't running and Hillary
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:16 PM by ElsewheresDaughter


already said she will release her tax forms when she is the nom. Which is smart campaign politics and NOT against any DNC campaign rules. Why give a head start to the RW machine.

Obama is naive and has much to learn yet.



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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:16 PM
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115. It's not smart politics. What if there is something really bad on there?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:16 PM by anonymous171
What if that affects her in GE (if she gets the nom.)? I don't want to have to defend someone for colluding with big business or be an apologist for a corrupt politician.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:47 PM
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124. Whoa, Obama is naive! You are naive and you must be Obama's mother!
How much crass can you get? No wonder you are supporting Senator Clinton! Sheesh, who are you to say that about a Dem front runner, yea, FRONT RUNNER! The hate you have just espoused is unbelievable!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:55 PM
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125. What, now you don't like vetting?
Make up your minds and get back to us.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:41 AM
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138. Vetting?!!!
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:29 AM
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148. You are not even naive, just plain dumb...Hillary waiting to get the nod and then
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 06:32 AM by NDambi
releasing her tax returns could be devestating. What is she hiding? Release them now. She's full of shit..."I'm trying to get that together, Tim?" LOL!

In addition, she touts all this foreign policy experience and her time in the WH as proof, well guess what--release your schedules and meetings--so we can see Hilda.

There should be transparency when people are running for office..and candidates shouldn't be running away from it--like Hill is doing!

Bill donor's list is important because we don't know what promises he's made if his wife makes it back to the big house. As a taxpayer and a citizen I have every right to know where the money came from...sorry you're for closed government, but I'm not!
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:15 AM
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89. Hope Is The Only Thing
that Hillerites have left.
They "Hope" that they can find a way to turn
a molehill into a mountain and bring Obama down.
They "Hope" they can twist a lot of "Super Delegate" arms
or bribe them with some quid pro quo "arrangement".
They "Hope" they can fool enough voters into believing
that being married to Bill for 35 years counts as legislative experience
"Hope" is all you have so don't dismiss it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:22 AM
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94. Yet another delusional thread from you.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:45 AM
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97. Okay..how many times are you going to post your whining dribble..have a drink and a joint already..
'cuz you need to chill...or maybe get a hit of something else..for a new direction...
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:15 PM
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114. Hope also doesn't need wheels because it has feathers
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:16 PM by GoPsUx
Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune--without the words,
And never stops at all,

And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.

I've heard it in the chillest land,
And on the strangest sea;
Yet, never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.

:D
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:19 PM
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118. You typed all that with one hand?
wow.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:56 PM
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126. *SNARF*
:spray:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:17 PM
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120. Um, what planet do you live on?
Your reality is completely different from those of us here on earth.
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DiceK Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:29 PM
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121. MassDemm
Could you do me a favor and make your posts later in the evening? I have a feeling they could help cure my insomnia.

Thanks!
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:00 AM
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128. I am outraged at our Dem "leaders".
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:01 AM
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129. PLOP!


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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:01 AM
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130. Sorry most supporters have turned off the TV left & right we are on the move FIRED UP.
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 01:02 AM by cooolandrew
Let's go change the world" eerybody.:)
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:03 AM
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131. It's beginning to look like "our own" support a Repuke agenda. They
have acted like that in Congress. Now this. It's really unbelievable.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:41 AM
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137. that's okay, i just helped him buy some new ones
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:42 AM
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139. K&R for the audacity of crazy mfkr's screaming bat-shit crazy sermons on video tape.
And for those smart enough to realize it's a GOOD thing this came out now, while there is still time.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:45 AM
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140. Paul v Clinton fraud case...
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:46 AM
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141. Nice to see an Obama quote there inspiring ain't he. =)
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:16 AM
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142. Welcome to ignore.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:07 AM
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143. Sadly, Obama's too full of his own Kool-Aid to drop out. (n/t)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:13 AM
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144. it's what happens when the coporated media picks our front-runners
look at the choices we have
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:24 AM
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145. Not really, this was pretty much inevitable
Any black candidate was going to be associated with less than admirable black figures and the media will presume them guilty by association until proven innocent because that is what the media does to black candidates.

You may be right that Obama will lose in November. If he does get the nomination we're going to find out if there are enough white people that actually fear figures like Wright and then fear Obama by association. Wright and many figures like him may be ignorant but they are hardly scary. If there is any black person that can convince white people of this, it is Barack Obama.

I should add that it's a good thing this is coming out in March and not October. Plenty of time for Obama to deal with it.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:13 AM
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146. At least it has caused the Obamites to shut up a bit, vastly reducing the amount of slime at DU.
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 06:14 AM by Perry Logan
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:51 AM
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150. Thanks for spelling out Hillary's plan
"Even if he manages to eek out a victory this primary season, which is unlikely, because he will be seen as damaged goods and someone who will have no chance of winning the GE; he will be crushed in the GE maybe winning IL."
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