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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:41 AM
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The choice: It's all about Hillary and McCain
McCain has the wrong experience. Hillary's is exaggerated. Even her SCHIP experience has sailed.

Hillary can't play the Rezko card too hard because there are too many shady Clinton deals yet to be vetted and on money, transparency isn't her strong suit.

Hillary declared herself to be better prepared to go up against McCain. Yet when a controversy was brewing, she failed the leadership test.

A controversy for a controversy? Obama stepped up masterfully.

Concern: The Republicans will play the Jeremy Wright card. Crazy Republicans!

What about 527s? Are those exclusively Republican? If the GOP goes there, who believes their attacks will go unanswered?

A candidate and his pastor

Posted March 15th, 2008 at 9:05 am

It was largely unexpected, but questions about Barack Obamas church pastor had, oddly enough, suddenly become the one political controversy that stood to do the most damage to his campaign. The Rezko story seems pretty thin, NAFTA-gate turned out to be much less than met the eye, the madrassa story was complete nonsense, and the plagiarism flap was just silly.

But questions about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright actually mattered, and over the last day or two, began to dominate. Portions of his more inflammatory sermons were hard to dismiss, there was video that dominated the cable networks, and reasonable people wanted to hear more from Obama directly about his thoughts on Wrights, shall we say, provocative ideas. Obama had denounced a variety of Wrights comments, but it wasnt quite enough.

Hoping to tackle the burgeoning controversy before it grew too intense, Obama addressed the matter in a 600-word piece for the Huffington Post.


He appeared on MSNBC last night to denounce Wrights remarks even more forcefully, and did a nice job of trying to fit the controversy into his broader message of generational change.


Around the same time, campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor notified reporters that Wright will no longer serve in his largely ceremonial role on Obamas African American Religious Leadership Committee.

Im cognizant of the opportunity for hypocrisy. To be intellectually honest, Ive been thinking about how Id react if Obama were a Republican with a far-right pastor with a record of inflammatory rhetoric. Under the circumstances, Id expect (and probably write a great deal about) the need for the candidate to repudiate the comments, disassociate himself with the pastor, and explain the association in some detail. As far as I can tell, Obama has done all three.

In this sense, I dont think its hypocritical at all to criticize John McCain for his embrace of right-wing religious extremists (Falwell, Hagee, and Parsley, among others), while defending Obama from conservative attacks about Wright. The different is in the response McCain went out of his way to reach out to radical religious figures, rationalize their hate-filled rhetoric, and use his associations for political gain. All available evidence suggests Obama has done the polar opposite.

Ultimately, as offensive as Wrights remarks have been, I just dont see where else the story can go. Obama is a member of a Christian church, his Christian pastor has said some ridiculous things, and Obama has denounced them. If were going to start holding candidates responsible for every utterance from their congregation, the burdens on politicians will quickly become ridiculous.


If Obama had kept quiet, and said nothing about Wright, it would have been a mistake. The questions have been fair and legitimate. But Obama appears to have answered them. I dont doubt the far-right will make every effort to milk this for all its worth, for as long as possible, but the suggestions that Wrights comments should bring Obamas patriotism into doubt are cheap and misguided and the right knows it.

Moving on: Hillary or Obama, who will McCain go after on Iraq? Hint: Bill.

I know Bill isn't running.

This is how it has played out and will continue to play out until Obama wins the nomination.

The projecting will continue. Whenever the caps come out with Obama's name, substitute Hillary:

Obama Hillary is a LIAR!

Obama Hillary LIES!

Obama Hillary is LYING!

Obama Hillary is a FRAUD!

Obama Hillary will do ANYTHING to WIN!

What about McCain's lies: pick one, or several.

It's all about how Hillary and McCain are the wrong choice! In the Democratic primary, Hillary doesn't have the numbers . No amount of spin is going to erase the huge hole she dug herself into.

Obama: Yes. We. Can.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:07 PM
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1. But Hillary said we should vote for McCain over Obama
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:32 PM
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4. Hillary, alway giving Democrats
false choices.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:13 PM
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2. "Mark Penn loses his remaining dignity"
TPMtv: Clip Show Extravaganza #7

More on Mitt Romney's dog fixation, Mark Penn loses his remaining dignity, and Lou Dobbs loses his mind, all in today's episode of TPMtv ...

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:30 PM
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3. Hillary's campaign holding a press conference?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 12:31 PM by ProSense
Clintons Mark Penn and Phil Singer hold Saturday afternoon media conference call calling out Obama on Rezko, requesting he release all documentation on transactions.

Both pass up opportunity to criticize him on Rev. Wright issue when repeatedly asked by reporters.


U.S. Sen. Barack Obama waited 16 months to attempt the exorcism. But when he finally sat down with the Tribune editorial board Friday, Obama offered a lengthy and, to us, plausible explanation for the presence of now-indicted businessman Tony Rezko in his personal and political lives.

The most remarkable facet of Obama's 92-minute discussion was that, at the outset, he pledged to answer every question the three dozen Tribune journalists crammed into the room would put to him. And he did.

Along the way he confronted the starkest innuendo that has dogged him and his campaign for the presidency
: the suggestion that the purchase of an adjacent lot by Rezko's wife subtly subsidized the Obamas' purchase of their home on Chicago's South Side. "This notion that somehow I got a discount and Rezko overpaid is simply not true . . . simply, factually, incorrect," Obama said Friday, adding that he didn't need any intervention from Rezko to grease the purchase of the house.


Obama should respond to Hillary's press conference by demanding she release her the recent Abramoff lobbyist indictment.

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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:50 PM
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6. This was a good opportunity for Penn to slam Obama
On his connection with the Wright scandal. He should have slammed Obama on that issue because this is something people pay a lot of attention too when they see the videos.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:36 PM
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7. Yet he didn't. Wonder why? n/t
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:41 PM
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5. Thanks ProSense!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:39 PM
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8. Thank you! n/t
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