I got no dog in this fight, but it seems that Rev Wright Spoke the truth,

[nosmokes]

At least in all the video clips I've seen.And I agree with what he has said.
and trying to hang Obama for it seems low down.It's akin to the GOPosse attempting to pin the Vince Foster suicide on the Clintons. It's personal and it teeters real close to the *when did you stop beating your wife* line.

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Goddamned right he spoke the truth!

:thumbsup:

[Tellurian]

2. Theres no comparison and no excuse for listening to Hate Speech for 20 yrs!

[roseBudd]

4. Hate is too kind for what America did to Native Americans & Africans

I'm white and I can surely see that.

[blue neen]

5. .

:thumbsup:

[Tellurian]

13. It's been done to every ethnicity..

The Irish suffered the Potato famine, watching their families starve to death on rotten food. Flee to America and get beaten-up daily by street gangs and unacceptable for employment for anything but menial jobs, if that. The Italians went through the same wringer. They survived and flourished. They didn't promote hate.

[uponit7771]

19. Please name the ones that were supported by the US government. Thx in advance

[NDambi]

20. word again...

[Megahurtz]

21. Crickets. n/t

[roseBudd]

33. Tell me exactly how many million Irish died doing those menial jobs

is it as many as died during passage on slave ships?

[Tellurian]

35. I'm not talking about a numerical contest...

My point is..our ancestors have all suffered in one way or another because they were not WASPS!

[Teaser]

41. "The Irish....didn't promote hate"

Irish
Republican
Army


kthxbye

[aquart]

43. Yes, dear. A terrorist organization. Point to us, I think.

[Teaser]

46. do whatever you want with your "points", I'm not playing a game

Just pointing out that the statement, as presented, was factually incorrect. You can continue your public jerk off with your archenemies on the other side if you want.

But the IRA and the English, that's what real hate looks like. And it's not even as bad as it gets.

[roseBudd]

53. That the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials & now Irish & Italians took menial jobs

when they emigrated are being promoted as reason why white females deserve a white female presidency is really twisted.

Tell it to Emmet Till and the white woman he whistled at. Tell it to the 4 little girls who died in a church basement.

My white Italian ancestors had a nice middle-class blue collar life.

[aquart]

42. Oh, it's numbers is it?

I put my 2000 years of persecution up against your puny 400. I WIN!

What a stupid contest. You wanna be the most persecuted, take the crown. It's made of thorns.

[Spider Jerusalem]

52. Uh huh, right.

not buying it.

Irish and Italian immigrants were subject to discrimination on the basis of anti-Catholic prejudice more than anything else. And the reason that a lot of those people couldn't get anything better than menial jobs is because most of them had no skills to do anything else. I say this as someone whose great-great-grandfather came to America from Ireland, during the potato famine...and he was a schoolteacher, not a menial labourer (so much for 'unacceptable for employment').

You can't really compare four hundred years of slavery and Jim Crow to the Irish or Italian experience in America; you just CAN'T. It's ridiculous to even TRY to do that.

[roseBudd]

54. Just the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, the getting of the human chattel from Africa to it's

destination qualifies as a wholesale slaughter.

[uponit7771]

16. word

[aquart]

39. Then deed your property to the nearest tribe.

Atone with more sincerity and less hypocrisy.

[Teaser]

44. Actually did it

Have some Lenape over ever weekend for cheesesteaks. They say they're just happy if they can use my pool.

It's a good deal.

[aquart]

47. Riiiiight.

[Teaser]

50. Yeah, man, it's good times.

I mean, I'm 1/4 Leni-Lenape myself, so I told them I'd like to actually keep the title. But the swimming pool they can use.
S'alright, I don't use it much. More of a status thing. And these guys wanted a place to swim.

One of them, we call him Lemmy, cause he looks like the guy from Motorhead, gives the *best* shoulder massages.

[tabatha]

8. There was no hate speech for 20 years.

It happened on a few occasions.

[aquart]

48. LOL!

[cottonseed]

25. Shouldn't you be working on hillaryis44's Security Breach?

You've got obvious security issues with your site and you still find the time come on here to smear the front runner. You're going to feel like a real idiot when you compromise you're users' information.

[K Gardner]

37. No. HATE SPEECH is what You and HillaryIs44.org does. But yes, no excuse for what you do.

[MadMaddie]

3. The Republicans have nothing else but they are fools....

they are going after this preacher which means that all of their hate mongering, mega church preachers are getting ready to get exposed. What's the saying, "Be Careful what you wish for".

[jaysunb]

6. Correct, but

it seems the ones in the biggest lather are people calling themselves progressives who seem more worried about what some republican liar is going to say about someone telling the truth....however painful.

:shrug:

[MadMaddie]

18. This is true...

[meow mix]

7. yup, and hillary supporters sided with the republicans. as they always do, like the WAR VOTE

they love the war vote

[BrklynGreenDog]

30. Half the Dem. party voted for the IWR including Obama supporters

Shouldn't Obama have denounced them, their endorsement, and their money? Saying HRC or her supporters back Republicans "always" when their is virtually no difference in their voting records, is not a very effective argument.

[aquart]

49. Lying slanderous hyperbole substituted for fact.

But I expect no less.

[Zynx]

9. I disagree with a great deal of what he said. Some of it I agree with.

However, the idea 9/11 was a hit against "the White West" and his broad labeling of all whites are both disgusting.

[HughMoran]

10. I like what Rev. Wright was saying

I wish there were more preachers telling the truth like he was.

[Sparkly]

11. That may be...

But what concerns me is what the "GOPosse" will do with it.

Yes, it's personal, and it's about insinuations and implications and impressions -- it doesn't have to be concrete, doesn't have to make sense, doesn't have to be fair, right, sensible, logical, or even political to poison enough perceptions to create a problem.

I'm not concerned with what Wright said. I'm concerned with how the Obama camp will counter it, on the visceral, emotional, "gut" level that too many voters decide with.

[uponit7771]

28. Like KO's analyst said, they can't use Wright because of Hagee and Farwell etc....

[uponit7771]

12. I asked people what did Wright say that was false and kept kicking it by responding and

...there was one person who said that they though Jesus wasn't black but also he wasn't blue eyed either.

Either way, they couldn't come up with anything the man said that was false or racist

[Why Syzygy]

32. That is exactly what I would like to know. :shrug:

[Barack_America]

14. GDP = How best to pander to the ignorant white vote.

Truth and progress are not welcome here.

Change is too risky. Openly discussing racism and sexism is only going to cost us votes and must be avoided at all costs...unless of course a half-truth about the *other* candidate comes along.

[SKKY]

15. I'm just glad he didn't throw Rev Wright under the bus completely...

...he specifically stated that he was not going to "repudiate the man, just his comments." And the answer the OP, well, yea, sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.

[uponit7771]

24. I like Obama the more I here how he handles situatuions. Even if Obama is a pure asshole in person

...whom ever he has advising him is smart.

Now Mrs Clinton....not so much

[SKKY]

55. And that to me reflects his judgement, no?

And of course begs the question of who will be more ready on day 1.

[Megahurtz]

17. Yes he did.

And it is rotten and dirty that the Clinton Camp tried to smear Obama with it. It makes them look even worse. They disgust me beyond belief.

[knixphan]

22. Tell ya what...

I'd LOVE to have the GOP try to slug it out in this arena.

It opens them up to all kinds of boomerang-dynamic, so bring it.

Glass cathedrals can all come down with a rock.

So throw it, McCain. Our stuff is out there...

and Barack STILL polls better.

[KittyWampus]

27. pastors who preach in glass cathedrals? Or is it, Christians who pray in glass cathedrals

shouldn't throw stones.

[backscatter712]

23. Wright does speak truth, but he could have picked a better way to say it.

I agree with the content of what he has to say, but I wish he wasn't so vulgar in how he said it.

[uponit7771]

26. true

[KittyWampus]

29. exactly.

[Window]

31. Every time I hear him, it cracks me the hell up.

He ain't never lied. LOL!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

34. yes it does seem that way - to me too

Its a darn shame that the Klintons and Limbaughs are trying to use religion to
ridicule Obama.

And the pastor deserves better.

Looking forward to President Obama and a new tone for our country.

[Raine]

36. I believe he spoke the truth too

but some people can't handle the truth.

[meow mix]

38. a lot of people have put thier abilty to reason, on suspension. this is 1 problem i have with that

1 of many problems.

a year ago, or a year from now.. when normal again they would have another opinion. wth is up with that?

[aquart]

40. Goody. What do you plan to DO about the "truth"?

I'm guessing...nothing?

[Raine]

51. What is to be done

seriously?

[ProSense]

45. It was the truth while the left was attacking Bush for Iraq, and they were impugning our patriotism.

How political opportunism changes things!

[krkaufman]

56. If Howard Dean or Al Gore were saying the same thing ...

... they'd be called fighters and truth-tellers. I have to wonder what is so different about Rev. Wright for the reaction to be so emotional.