Oh For God's Sake Enough Of This Hillbot Troll Name Calling Bullshit Already. Wright Is Bad News.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

Some people need to really get a fucking grip already. This is GDP. This is where shit about the candidates is supposed to be discussed and where we are SUPPOSED to be vetting our candidates and using our heads in addressing important shit as it relates to the election. Instead, all it turns into is a childish name calling back and forth tit for tat with most from each side solidified in their positions and refusing to think for a fucking second as to the reality of certain things. Intellectual discussion has totally taken a backseat to the flamebaiting bullshit and even when REAL things of concern arise such as this new Wright debacle, there is NO HOPE of discussion at all and everything just devolves into some mindless roundabout 'fuck you troll!' discussion.

Well ENOUGH! Enough of that bullshit already. Wake the fuck up and take your goddamn blinders off for a second. Do you all not remember how fucking important winning in November is? Do you not all fucking remember how much hell the last 7 years have been? Do you really think your sportsminded competitive defend your candidate and anything remotely related to them at all costs mentality is MORE IMPORTANT than winning in November?

It fucking ain't. Ya better start realizing that.

The fact of the matter is, whether some of you want to acknowledge it maturely and do something about it or not, that this Wright thing is bad fucking news. In fact, it is throughout the entire primaries so far the WORST goddamn thing we've seen yet. Am I overreacting? No way in hell. This is the RW's wet fucking dream. It has EVERYTHING. It has seeming hatred of America, it has blaming us for 9/11, it has irrationality, it has putting down white people, it has everything they could ever fucking ask for.

Why does that concern me? Because November fucking matters. Nothing else but that matters. This needs to be dealt with and it needs to be dealt with swiftly. And don't fucking sit there and tell me I'm a troll, a hillbot, thank me for my concern, or act like this is some partisan biased bullshit. That's just the childish and knee jerk way of dismissing a real fucking issue. WE ARE ALL DEMOCRATS. We should ALL care about nothing more than assuring we win in November. We NEED to be able to discuss issues like this and arrive at some sort of consensus on it, or WHAT FUCKING GOOD ARE WE???

So please, enough of this flamebaiting god forbid something negative comes out toward your candidate total attack mode bullshit already. We, as DEMOCRATS, HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS STORY. That's a fucking fact. That doesn't make us trolls, that doesn't make us Hillbots, that doesn't make us troublemakers, it makes us nothing more than people who CARE about what happens in November. And we all should fucking care.

Now I really don't give a shit that in reality Obama doesn't hold Wright's views. I know that, you know that, but what damn difference does that make? This is practically a life long leader to Obama. His mentor. His spiritual adviser. The one who married him, baptized his children, inspired his book. Do you have any idea how POWERFUL of a connection all those things are in being used to try and pass one's values onto the other, even if unfair and inaccurate? Like I said: This is the RW's wet friggin dream.

And lest any of you think this is all no big deal and is nothing to worry about, please, hit pause for a second and use your heads. Why don't you picture the following ad in your head for me, and tell me it's not something to be concerned about:

Ad starts with the video showing live clips of Wright's WORST comments. His most disgusting comments, as they would be defined by the general public. We see him say them, hear them, and they are presented in an impactful and dramatic way. Then, it cuts to video/audio of Obama PRAISING him, talking about how he married them, how he's his mentor, spiritual adviser, how he inspired his book. Then it closes with some sort of message questioning if that's the type of person you want electing blah blah blah.

Now tell me: Can you honestly sit here and tell me that an ad like that, playing on tv's nationally and REPEATEDLY, wouldn't affect the minds of MILLIONS of people, as it relates to their liking of Obama? Can you not see how DEVASTATING an ad like that could be? And don't tell me that he'd have truth on his side. Back in 2004 I thought John had truth on his side and everything would be exposed so easily and be ok. Yeah fucking right. Learned that damn lesson. Who cares if the ad would be completely inaccurate, unfair, and deceitfully connect Obama's praise for the pastor to the disgusting words of the pastor directly, even though that's not why the praise was offered. Who cares? You think that's gonna matter? Play that video in your head. Play the ad in your head. You don't think that would spread like wildfire in the minds of the average to less than average voter? The ad would be devastating. The scary part is that the ad can be made right now!

So don't tell me this isn't an issue that should be discussed here. Don't tell me those who are a bit taken aback by it and concerned are hillbots or trolls. Don't tell me we should just dismiss it and it's no big deal. Hey, guess what, it IS a big fucking deal, and we need to squash this thing ASAP. Not sure exactly how we go about that, or how Obama should go about it, but I do know it needs to be done. In order to do that, we should be able to discuss it here openly, honestly and like ADULTS, without the flamebaiting troll labeling bullshit.

Rant fucking off...

[dionysus]

1. fuckity fuck fuck fuck shit fuck bullshit fuck!!

how droll...

[msongs]

3. how eloquent... nt

[dionysus]

8. yes, my post has 11 less f-bombs that the lecture in the OP

[ElsewheresDaughter]

how juvenile

[dionysus]

i just translated his OP into english, sorry you don't get it.

continue your outrage of the day now..

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. Hey, If You Don't Care About November I Can't Fuckin Stop Ya. But I Do. A Ton Of Us Do.

If playing childish 3rd grader games takes priority to you over winning the most important election of our lifetimes in November, well hey, yay for you, what can we do.

But us adults care far more about the GE then petty 3rd grade refuse to discuss reality bullshit.

So carry on with your worthless crap. We all see it for what it is.

[dionysus]

18. Ok Then. We Must All Vote For Hillary Now. Thank You We Were Stupid For Not Supporting Mrs DLC

We Must Vote Hillary To Save The World Or We Are Doomed...
fuck fuck fuck shit poo bullshit....

:eyes:

[elixir]

89. You totally missed the point. This is NOT about voting for HRC. This is about Obama addressing

this NOW!

[dionysus]

111. well no shit he should address it now... who the hell thinks he won't?

[WinOneAlready]

254. Actually, you probably just shouldn't have...

supported a candidate without a track record, and one that had been vetted. Joe Biden, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, et al... we had lots of saner choices than these two.

[JuniperLea]

169. That's all you managed to get from it, huh?

And you don't get how this might taint your opinion in the perspective of others? Interesting.

[dionysus]

185. I'd feel like more of a jackass if i wrote the OP and wanted to be taken seriously...

:shrug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

201. I'd Rather Run The Risk Of Feeling Like One, Than So Thoroughly BEING One.

So yeah, I'm perfectly content with the OP.

[dionysus]

204. Well I Guess That Settles It.

:eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. Maybe I Should've Controlled My Language More Around You Children. Sorry Bout That.

Too late now. Guess you'll have to get over it.

[dionysus]

11. actually hypocrit,

remember last week when you ridiculed a pro-obama OP for using the word fuck too much, and you demanded that I link you to something like that you ever posted?

well, here's the example you were looking for.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. Nope. Not Whatsoever. If You Think This, Compares To That, You've Got All Sorts Of

issues with your perception.

C'mon pal. Throw the link in here. Let everyone see how absolutely ridiculous your comparison is.

How ignorant.

[dionysus]

19. you're truly "touched" OMC.

curse on, curse on

[TZ]

208. might help if you spelled the word correctly

hypocrite...If you are going to chastise someone for language you ought to at least use spell check don't you think.

[progressoid]

21. I think your fuck to shit ratio is off.

you need more fucks in your post!

[dionysus]

24. Fuck Poo Bullshit Caca! Bullshit! Hillary!!

how's that?

[Bake]

57. Why don't you pull your head out of your ASS and respond to the substance of the OP?

Because you can't. OMC is dead right.

How old are you? Enquiring minds want to know.

Bake

[dionysus]

67. I Am 30 Fucking Years Old. OMC's Fucking Rant Will Not Convince Us To Vote For Your Queen

That Bullshit Will Not Fucking Work.

Yes We Know This Is An Issue. OMC's Fucking Concerns Are Duly Fucking Noted.

comprende Bake?

[elixir]

98. Hey baby, our queen doesn't have a ticking bomb like this one. Best to disarm the charge

for the sake of the party.

Oh, by the way, I love what you're doing with you posting text, the intial caps really make your message pop. Have you ever thought of going just all caps or is that too much?!

[Megahurtz]

107. What Crap.

It's true that only the HilLIARry supporters are harping on this Wright issue. McCain supporters won't go there. This will be a non-issue in the GE.

I think that HRC supporters are the troublemakers drilling this Wright issue into the ground. It won't work for me and it won't work for others either.

[BlackVelvet04]

149. That's not hopeful....

that's delusional. McCain's supporters WILL go there. The MSM HAS gone there.

[Megahurtz]

188. No they won't

then they'll have to address all of the loony rants that McCain's Pastors have said.
The MSM is going there because the Clinton Camp is backing them and you know it.

I have hope all right. I have hope that Obama will survive this weak Scortched Earth tactic by HRC.

[BlackVelvet04]

199. Hillary had nothing to do with this and saying so is a lie....

put up the proof or shut up.

Hagee has been on television for years...he's nothing new.

[Two Americas]

235. no equivalency there

The loony pastors on the right don't hurt the Republicans. If you are arguing that their pastors are loonier than our pastors, you are right and I agree with you. But is that a battle that we want to fight in the general? If you are saying that the Republicans will fight dirty no matter what in the general, I would again agree with you. That is why it is so disturbing that neither candidate, neither campaign is running on a strong New Deal platform, with unambiguous advocacy for the have-nots, building a strong front against the predations of the wealthy and powerful. Were they, none of this crap would be in play.

We are being set up by the right wing propaganda machine to be smashed in the general. I think that the feuds between the supporters of the two candidates are being instigated and fueled by the right wing propaganda machine. But no one wants to hear that. No one wants to consider that possibility. Everyone is too busy assigning all of the evils of the world to the candidate they are opposing.

[WinOneAlready]

255. The 527's will kill him with it

McCain won't have to say a word. I think you Obama folks might have backed the wrong horse.

[dionysus]

109. it's a riff on the OP, in case you didn't get it.

[VotesForWomen]

225. right, and this could just be the tip of the ice berg. mr/ms 30 year old thinks 'change' is all it t

takes to win an election. heh.

[knixphan]

166. The Obama camp stays together. No lightweights among us.

[HughMoran]

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[Bake]

183. So you admit OMC is right. Then why all the childish responses?

Or do I smell fear in Obamaland? I don't care if you vote for my "Queen" or not. I do care what the superdelegates who are going to decide this race ultimately do. I'd like to think they are more committed to their party than they are to a dead-in-the-water candidate. I hope they realize that there are millions of people who WILL. NOT. VOTE. for your "King" once they see his pastor's remarks -- his pastor, whom he has not disavowed.

Bake

[dionysus]

187. you guys are such a gas...

acting like that incoherant rant is somehow breaking news or sage advice for the Obama campaign...


:rofl:

[HughMoran]

37. Plug you ears and repeat after me "LALALA"

It'll all go away if you do that - trust me!

:)

[dionysus]

73. this has got to be the lamest argument for switching over to hillary i have ever seen.

[HughMoran]

Hillary who?

You seem to have a one-track mind - how bizarre!

[dionysus]

115. so tell me what the point is for hillary supporters to be posting the shit out of this topic... you

guys are trying to help?

:rofl:

[HughMoran]

141. I am a Hillary supporter?

Oh, I forgot the rule, if you criticize Obama, then you are automatically a Hillary supporter.

I get it.

And posting "fuckity, fuckity fuck..." is how Obama supporters intelligently respond to criticism.

I get it.

:crazy:

[dionysus]

174. no, it's a riff on the OP with contains about 20 f-bombs, in case you didn't notice.

[HughMoran]

178. Yes, it has 19 "fucks" - I counted using ctrl-F (lol)

:rofl:

That fact and you're attempt to pidgeon hole me still don't make it seem like your most thoughtful post ever :P

[dionysus]

180. well, i never claimed it was profound!!!!

;)

[HughMoran]

181. but... but... GD:P is normally filled with highly sophisticated conversation

How dare you drag it into the gutter so!

:rofl: :rofl:

[dionysus]

man, you gotta be real and keep it low-brow. GDP is such a classy joint...

:toast:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

160. Oh Totally. Burying Our Heads In The Sand And Hoping For The Best Is A Far Better Strategy.

Wake up.

Use. Your. Head.

[dionysus]

171. Dude. It's a message board. We aren't affecting jack shit.

The campaign will deal with this. Let's hope they deal with it correctly. We're just a bunch of political junkies arguing on the internet.

[elixir]

100. Hellloooo, no one is asking you to switch to HRC. We're pointing out that someone needs to wake up

Obama, he needs to kill this issue now, ASAP. Stay with Obama, who cares. We don't want you.

[dionysus]

116. oh, so it's just a little bit of friendly advice? suuuuure

:eyes:

[Little Star]

2. Amen for truth and reality.

[easy_b94]

4. I am going to say again IF OBAMA DO NOT GET THE NOD...

THEN BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE YOUNG PEOPLE WILL SIT OUT THE GE.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. either way Obama can Not win the GE and we lose the WH

[Megahurtz]

61. Bullshit.

Obama can win the GE.

[papau]

10. Sadly the reverse is also true - if no Hillary then many seniors and older women will sit it out

[MediaBabe]

Seniors and older women do not sit out elections

That is just plain silly. Seniors and older women know damn well that their vote counts and they think long and hard and cast that vote every time.

[papau]

84. I wish - and hope - that that is true - but there are an awful lot of bitter seniors saying othewise

[qnr]

103. Speaking as a senior, I have to laugh at your comment. n/t

[elixir]

104. So your saying that the votes of young and black voters don't count?

[MediaBabe]

122. Not if they stay home pouting n/t

[DURHAM D]

126. Seniors (men and women), over 40 women and many gays and lesbians will sit it out. eom

[NDambi]

22. Sitting out if dirty deeds get HER the nod...bet on it

[qnr]

101. And if he does, all those Republican "Democrats for a day" will n/t

[elixir]

102. And that has to do with what? Here, let me remind you - the point is Obama needs

to address this issue full on w/out equivocation or the dems will be sitting at for another four years. This is truly ugly for all the wrong reasons.

[VotesForWomen]

228. wow, you're not painting those folks in a very positive light. nt

[mmonk]

5. I guess the question is are people discussing it or feeding the animals?

[papau]

6. Fox appears to be in a multi-week 3 times a day remind us with video then discuss mode - I

suspect this will be the "swiftboat" for Obama if he is the nominee.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. indeed and we lose...but I must say it isn't only Fox all the MSM playing Wrights vids non stop

[NDambi]

26. Not just faux news but MSNBC too..not so much CNN

[ElsewheresDaughter]

94. that changed today...now all MSM is playing it non stop

[elixir]

108. It's all over the place, flip the channels. I guess the MSM pigs ran out of hooker stuff.

[rodeodance]

97. and it is spreading to all the networks as you know. He needs to deal with NOW>

[bowens43]

13. Wright is a non-issue.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. really?

then why is it being played 24/7 in the MSM?

[SeaLyons]

36. It's a big issue

[Arkansas Granny]

43. Wirght is NOT a non issue. We may know that Obama doesn't hold the same

views but there are a lot of people out there that we will need in November who don't know this. If you don't think that the RW smear machine will try to use this to alienate voters who might otherwise vote for Obama, think again. There are already people who believe he is Muslim and who question his patriotism because of the flag pin flap and pictures they've seen with him not holding his hand over his heart while the National Anthem plays and this just plays into both those memes. This is what the Republicans have been dreaming of. They could not have asked for anything better.

Since there is a very real chance that Obama will be the Democratic nominee we ALL need to be concerned about how this is perceived by the public. I don't want something like this to be used to put another Republican in the White House. What hurts Obama can eventually hurt us all. We need to take this seriously and work together to put it to rest. I don't know how this is to be done, but his campaign needs to get on top of this now.

I have stated several times on this board that although I support Clinton, if Obama is the Democratic nominee he will have my support and my vote.

[BlackVelvet04]

154. I dont' know that Obama doesn't hold the same views....

I wouldn't sit in a church listening to views contrary to what I believe for 20 years, nor would I ask a man to be my mentor who I didn't agree with on basic fundamental concepts.

[rodeodance]

45. really---your head is in the sand if that is what you think.

[Megahurtz]

Wright IS a non-issue for sure.

Obama did not say Wright's words, he is not Obama, Obama is not responsible for anything Wright has said, Obama already said what he had to say about Wright.
Giving it more air-time than that would make it an issue, and that is what HRC supporters are salivating over. The McCain camp won't touch it.

Obama should ignore them. He already addressed the issue.

I bet that it's the Clinton Camp, not the G.O.P., are who is pushing the MSM 24/7 to smear Obama with this so very weak and ridiculous Scorched-Earth tactic.
Anyone who falls for this is clearly allowing themselves to be manipulated. I can see right through it. :hi:

[amborin]

222. did you read the article in the Manchester Guardian yesterday?

please don't blame the clinton camp for this

can't you be non paritisan for a minute

you say McCain won't touch this...but he can get his surrogates to do it for him

have you even looked at any right wing web sites and blogs?

they have been having a field day with this

do you really think their targeted electorate won't be influenced by this?

you sound terribly naive

[ProSense]

16. Non-issue

Obama addresses Pa.'s importance, pastor's remarks

McCain's Campaign Manager says Obama Shouldn't Be Held Accountable for His Pastor's Remarks

[GoldieAZ49]

42. Think this clears his 20 relationship?

Like he didn't know after 20 years that this type of 'sermon' was what this pastor specializes in?

From your link:

Q: I don't know if you've seen it, but it's all over the wire today (from an ABC News story), a statement that your pastor (the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's South Side) made in a sermon in 2003 that instead of singing "God Bless America," black people should sing a song essentially saying "God Damn America."

A: I haven't seen the line. This is a pastor who is on the brink of retirement who in the past has made some controversial statements. I profoundly disagree with some of these statements.

Q: What about this particular statement?

A: Obviously, I disagree with that. Here is what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor. There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it's important to judge me on what I've said in the past and what I believe.

******
I doubt it, Wright has so much more passion about his accusations than Obama has refuting them...in other words, Wright has the MO


McCain and his campaign should not make any comments, they don't need to, this is Obama's problem

[ProSense]

50. Non-issue! Face it, non-issue! n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

59. Issue Issue Issue

this is the first look at the man behind the microphone that he has not controlled and contrived.

And it isn't pretty.

No wonder he was so vague with his message of Hope Change and Unity... transcending race?... I don't think so.

[loveangelc]

63. Face it! It IS an issue. People who are uncertain if they are for Obama

will definitely question him, since many more of his supporters are more likely to change their minds.

[ProSense]

You can jump up and down screaming and it still will not be an issue!

The remarks came up before the Obama went on to win 11 states in a row. Non-issue! Get used to it! Embrace it! Face it!

[loveangelc]

83. You are so willfully ignorant. If it's not an issue why is it on the front page of AOL?

Why was it on the Today show? Why was it on Good Morning America? Why is he being asked about it at all?

Do you really think some 527's won't use this? John Mccain does not have to say anything about it. The right wing media will push it and push it, and you should not underestimate their influence.

[ProSense]

87. AOL? The RW media?

There are a handful of wingnut blogs discussing this today. It's a non-issue!

If the wingnuts are going to make comments by pastors an issue, McCain loses. It's a non-issue, and you need to wake up and recognize MSM spin from reality!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

91. Your Projection Is Amazing. You Think Just Saying "It's A Non Issue!" Will Make It Go Away. Hey,

while you're at it, how bout clicking your heels together 3 times.

You can spout out at the mouth that it's a non issue all ya want. That's a delusional conclusion and has no basis in reality whatsoever. It absolutely IS an issue, and no amount of your parrot like repetitions that it's not is gonna change it. And tell me, what has John's pastor said ON VIDEO that could be used in anywhere NEAR the degree that this stuff could, that justifies your 'McCain loses' comment?

[ProSense]

106. Your caps will not make it an issue! n/t

[rodeodance]

120. you still have your head in the sand. tsk tsk

[ProSense]

127. More wishing by you! It's a non-issue! Iit will not help Hillary win the primary or McCain the GE.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

137. "LALALALALA!!! No!!!!!!! Don't Speak Reality! I Won't Listen!!! I Won't I Won't I Won't!!!!!!111"

"It's not an issue. It's not an issue. It's not an issue (click click click)"

[ProSense]

147. Look, the Ferraro effect

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

Ferarro Pales In Comparison To This.

And maybe it wouldn't hurt him too much in the primaries, but it could be devastating to him in the GE. And to anyone with even a few braincells, that's the contest that matters...

[ProSense]

176. It will not, no matter how much you wish it! n/t

[loveangelc]

194. The today show, good morning america, and aol are all right wing???

You are making a fool of yourself. Do you think people seeing this will not care? Will think nothing of it??? Silly you.

[jackson_dem]

230. It is spreading like wildfire on youtube

Yesterday a search for "Jeremiah Wright Obama" would generate 56 videos. Now there are 122. One video now has 120k views and the other 69k (one is about his "damn America speech" and the other his racist rant against Hillary). How many will they have in a week?

[rodeodance]

140. This is wider than you think---All Democrats will be afftected by this. Think about our Party-not

your ego for once.

[jackson_dem]

226. Anderson Cooper covered it well

Anyone who is pro sense would recognize this has the potential to singlehandedly derail Obama in the general election. Imagine if JFK's priest ranted all the time about how bad Protestants were. You think he would have won in 1960?

[elixir]

110. This is you..

And that's what you're going to look like when McCain is being sworn in .

[elixir]

90. OK, so you think John McCain isn't going to use any of this because he says he won't. OK

that's good enough for me.

So come September, if Obama is our dem candidate, McCain will not use this language to bury the airwaves with anti-white rants. I'm not certain I'm as trusting as you are of a GOP candidate.

Good luck with that.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

93. He Won't. The Outside Dirty Ass Tricksters Will. That Way, He Can Have His Cake And Eat It Too.

I'm amazed at how naive some are being about this.

[elixir]

113. same dif. it will be used.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

124. Yup. I Was Agreeing With Ya.

McCain will be able to stand with his head high and claim he doesn't use dirty politics, while the smear groups run the ad 24/7.

[zulchzulu]

191. One word that would CRUSH McCain if he brings up pastors

HAGEE

Anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, KKK motherfucker... McCain would get NAILED.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

202. Wrong. Hagee Pales In Comparison To This. You Want It To Be Equal, But It Ain't.

In fact, it ain't even close. Not by a longshot.

[VotesForWomen]

233. it will play into pre-existing doubts/stereotypes that potential voters have, just like Dan Quayle's

misspelling of "potato" or whatever it was. this is an issue, no question about it.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

20. Where's yesterday's OMC?

[dionysus]

29. the thorazine scrip ran out

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. Right Here. Honesty Is Honesty. Reality Is Reality. Even When We Don't Like It.

This isn't a trying to poke a stick OP. This is a genuine and sincere OP, albeit with far more curses lol. But I was just pissed off reading all the damn threads that are trying to dismiss this issue and classify anyone concerned about it as hillbots, trolls, or having otherwise bad intention. That's crap. This is a serious issue that should require real and thoughtful discussion.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

72. I do think Obama had to deal with it now, but you do agree that some...

of the outlandish reaction to it looks a lot more like stock right-wing reaction, especially when coming from posters with fewer posts than fingers, than concerned reaction on a progressive board?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

81. I've Noticed A Few.

But this issue is bigger than they are. Just because there's a small handful using it in such ways, doesn't mean the rest of us still shouldn't talk about it openly and honestly without having to take cemented sides and just go in roundabout fire squads.

Sometimes, even in the presence of trolls, our real issues still need to be discussed intelligently.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

237. peace to that, OMC.

[lligrd]

Repugs Wouldn't Dare Bring This Up. It Would Make Them

look racist. That is why they are so happy to see us do it to ourselves. WTG, Hillbots.

[leftofcool]

30. Oh yes they will!

It iwll be run 24/7

[lligrd]

Nope

The only place it is being run 24/7 is here.

[SeaLyons]

34. Don't kid yourself,,,they will bring it up over and over

(and I find your comment interesting for many reasons).

[lligrd]

38. I Find Your Comment Equally Interesting And Wrong

McCain has already disavowed it. The argument is stupid and they know it.

[GoldieAZ49]

70. Obama hasn't won the nomination yet, once he does

the 527's will start in and it will be non stop

Wright will raise more money for the repubs than they ever imaged would be possible

[lligrd]

76. It Will Be Long Forgotten By Then nt

[loveangelc]

198. Since when do Democrats give Republicans a huge benefit of the doubt on what they will do

in an election and what they won't bring up as an issue???? This must be your first time paying attention to an election.

[lligrd]

242. Obama Just Killed It

I know that won't make you happy but it is a fact.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

246. You Really Think So Huh.

I still say the ad will be made when the time is right, and it's gonna do damage.

[lligrd]

249. They Are Going To Find Something To Pick On That Much Is Certain

But if they are left to picking up old news about something his preacher said, then they will be in real trouble. And by the way, Wright has some pretty great sayings about this war and * too.

I don't think either of our candidates will have any trouble beating McCain and his 100 year war.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

56. You Can't Possibly Be Serious. How Does That Ad I Mentioned Look Racist At ALL???

If they played an ad just like that, over and over, how would that be racist? Why would regular everyday voters consider it to be? Are you for real?

[lligrd]

66. How Do You Suppose Bill Clinton Skated Through This?

His support by the Black Churches was only raised by Hannity and a few others on rare occasions and it went nowhere. But they are more than happy to have you bringing it up. This is not even top news anywhere but here.

Be careful what you ask for? I am sure Hillary has some people with some pretty controversial quotes in her camp.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

79. Jesus Christ Get A Grip. You Think This Is Merely "Support By Black Churches"?

If that's all it was this OP wouldn't even exist.

This is a HELL of a lot more than that. Use. Your. Head.

[lligrd]

244. Yep, I Think Obama Officially Killed The Story Today

Hope you can get over it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

247. I Think You're Being Extremely Naive About It.

You want it to go away and I wish like you that it will. I just don't have nearly the confidence that it could be, so easily.

[lligrd]

248. LOL,, I've Been Called A Lot Of Things But Naive Isn't One

of them. Guess we'll have to wait and see who's right but this time, I hope you are wrong.

[elixir]

129. Did bill clinton belong to Rev. Wrong's church and every week listened to rants like these?

Did bill clinton even get asked about crap like this? NOOOO.

You folks are really hiding on this. I am seriously worried.

[lligrd]

245. I Have No Idea Nor Do I Care

And my point was that Clinton didn't get asked, although I remember Hannity trying to stir it up. But preachers just like Wright were (in fact I would bet Wright did too) supporting Clinton.

[loveangelc]

65. Are you serious? Are you really serious? wow. Because rightwing radio/tv isnt doing it already....

[lligrd]

74. Only Under The Coverage Of Covering The Democratic

primary.

[loveangelc]

80. Please! Rush Limbaugh is really going after this, as is Hannity and Colmes

before this became a big story since yesterday, it was already being talked about on The View because of Hannity's special over it. It will have legs if somethig isnt done.

[lligrd]

243. LOL Rush And Hannity??

Who the f*** cares what they say?

[MediaBabe]

85. Email campaigns don't care if they look racist

Push call campaigns do not care if they have a racist bias. Whisper campaigns don't worry about being racist.

Individual people may care and deny and smile and nod but behind the scene the whispers will go on.

[Omega3]

the only thing that looks racist is his pastor,

[elixir]

123. Once again, the naivette of Obama's supporters takes over. There will be a group,

not a candidate, and not a party, but a group that will run an ad on every airwave at every time of the day.

Did you ever think that an ad questioning the patriotism and service of John Kerry would even be made, no less aired SUCCESSFULLY?!!! And who really cared about Kerry's service record, some probably thought - no problem, I still like the guy so I'll vote for him.

This is 10 times worse, it preys upon every fear on the general electorate.

[Name removed]

23. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[dionysus]

25. ROFL

:rofl:

[Scurrilous]

33. LOL

:thumbsup:

[Metric System]

114. We get paid $5 every time we make a post about the Wright issue. How much does your guy pay?

[JackORoses]

144. really, you take cash? I assumed being a complete douchebag was reward in itself for a Hillarite

[Metric System]

152. No, I think that's the Obama camp payment plan.

[Metric System]

155. No, I think that's the Obama camp payment plan.

[Armstead]

27. If Jesus Christ himself were the nominee, the GOP would try to Swiftboat him

I agree that Obama needs to come out quickly and directly address this.

IMO he can defuse it if he shows some class and states specifically and strongly where he disagrees with Wright and also puts the preacher's firey rhetoric in context.

But the plain fact is that whoever is the Democratic nominee is, they are going to have to deal with variations of this. Hillary will also be a fertile field...If the GOP can paint John Kerry as a coward in Vietnam, they are capable of trying anything.

If Christ were the nominee, the GOP would be dredging up dirt about Mary Magdeline or the backgrounds of the apostles.

So we have to learn to address this kind of shit directly, and assume that it is business as usual in modern politics.

IMO the best overall defense is to stand our ground and really sell what liberalism and the Democratic Party stands for, and put this kind of shit in its rightful place as a nasty political strategy.

[crispini]

32. Right on!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[PVnRT]

64. Exactly

Personally, I'm getting a little fucking tired of people saying that Wright is the reason we can't nominate Obama. As if Hillary has no skeletons in her closet.

And don't tell me they've all been dragged out. The Republicans will have no trouble making hay out of them again.

[JohnnyLib2]

28. I'm with you, OMC.

Posted earlier today that as a realistic-type Clinton supporter, I may well be an Obama supporter by August. And then I would be in the position of talking with neighbors, some relatives, and RWers in general. I do not expect this issue to go away, any more than the Muslim issue has died. I don't like the incoming crap but the old head-in-sand approach is ridiculous. :thumbsup:

[usrbs]

48. At least this wil kill the Muslim trope!

[LostinVA]

31. Good post -- k&r

[futureliveshere]

35. We can also ATTACK

If... the repubs or a support group does create the ad you mention, then the Obama camp can certainly respond with an ad of their own. McCain has enough crazy pastors of his own with famous, controversial statements against catholicism, islam, jews etc...etc. So I really don't think McCain will want to take this line of attack. It will be a non-issue in November.
HOWEVER, the Clintons supporters need to bring BO down and they can certainly make this an issue right now. There is a greater contrast to be offered with Clinton on this rather than with McCain especially if you keep the demographics of PA in mind.

edited to add this:
I am not saying that HRC is condoning this line of attack, rather it looks like Faux news is playing the Repub game again. At this stage they can attack BO with impunity and blame it on the Clinton camp.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. Other Than Bush There Is No One I Can Think Of Close Enough To McCain To Be Even REMOTELY Comparable

This isn't just some person who Obama knows. This is as personal of a connection as one could have other than immediately family. There's nothing we have in our arsenal right now that could be used as powerfully, in a similar way.

[futureliveshere]

133. Hagee

I was talking about Hagee for McMcain.
Obama will need to come up with a clear speech on how he disagrees with his pastor on many things and highlight a few good things about him. Based on his performance till now, I trust him to do that with a dollop of humor to make it more effective. Then, since Wright is retiring in a few days that takes away some of the damaging effect for the GE. As I said this will be much more effective in the coming few weeks to draw people towards HRC. McCain (i think) will not benefit from this to any large extent. Any idea to reduce the short term damage?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

157. Not. Even. Close.

Everyone keeps saying Hagee. Are your minds really that narrow? Do you really think the Hagee thing is anywhere near as deep as this one?

Tell me: Did Hagee marry John and his wife? Did Hagee baptize his children? Did Hagee inspire McCain's book? Is Hagee McCain's mentor? Is hagee McCain's spiritual adviser? Is he any of those things? Wake up please.

[futureliveshere]

209. Dont have too open a mind.. you'r brain might fall out!!!

Ok, after that rather pathetic attempt at humor :) let me just say that Wright WILL become old news by the time of the GE. It is right now against HRC that this will become a problem. Thankfully, for the time being there is a sufficient break b/w primaries to allow the BO camp to start spinning their way outa this.

Here is the first attempt:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Oboomer/gGBzB3

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

214. Why Are You So Sure Of That?

That ad I spoke about in the OP: What makes you think come the GE, it won't be spreading around like wildfire?

True story: At lunchtime, my brother in law (works a few cubes down from me, he's a repub but funny as hell) walked into my cube and saw the democraticunderground header. I started telling him what I was typing and telling him how stupid some people could be here by thinkin that story is so easily dismissable. I was ranting a bit and telling him about how damaging that ad could be, and I said "and the problem is that ad could exist right fucking now!", to which he replied while laughing his usual wiseass laugh "we don't need it now. We don't need it till the general election" and continued laughing. He's totally right, too.

If this isn't addressed in the biggest ways possible, you WILL be seeing that ad in the GE and you will see it related to the flag pin incident, the hand over the heart incident, his wife's comments incident and it will be the central core of attacks on his character.

You don't think this will come up in the GE? I say there's no way it WON'T.

[futureliveshere]

236. Not dismissing it

Don't get me wrong. I am not dismissing the whole thing. What comes to mind are 2 things:

1. The ability of Obama to connect directly with the voters. The man is not Bambi, he is bulletproof (thus spoke a famous journalist) and see's to bathe in teflon daily.

2. That this pastor would have retired by then and there will be a full battalion of DU and other democrats out there doing damage control and spinning this positively. Like "Hey this proves he is not a muslim. See, he has a pastor and he goes to church".

But finally it is HOPE, which is not just blind optimism, but confidence that with time all the attacks will fail to stick and that McCain is just so much WEAKER a candidate than Obama that we will prevail in the GE.

[sudopod]

39. Pic related

[mtnsnake]

40. K&R!

Smack on, OMC.

[SeaLyons]

41. The Obama supporters are very smug and naive

to think that this can't ruin our changes in the GE.

[rodeodance]

44. this issue does matter and BO needs to deal with NOW--not later if he

is the nominee--then the RW will deal with it!

[loveangelc]

46. As an Obama supporter, I have to say agree.

There has to be something done about this, and he has to do something to drown this now imo. I CANNOT BELIEVE how angry people have become with me because I acknowledge this will have legs. I think the tapes will be chilling to a lot of Americans and the fact that Obama calls him the man that led him the Jesus is more than troubling to many. Swiftboat veterans started with the rightwing shows/radio, just as this is. People believing this will suddenly just go away are insane.

[rodeodance]

49. yes, you had a very good post at needing to deal with this last night. thank you.

[usrbs]

60. Can't he use the fact that Wright brought him to Jesus as the explanation?

I actually think the best approach wou;d be to say that he has many disagreements and concerns with Wright, but the fact that he made him see the light overrode everything else, especially as he never agreed the crazy stuff, took care to educate his children differently, lived his whole life differently, etc.

I think it would work on the religious right, and so be an usable excuse. I'm not sure because I'm an ardent free-thinker and I wouldn't stick around for such a lunatic, but I've already seen several posts from religious DUers claiming they disagree with a lot of what's said in their church.

[loveangelc]

77. I think that is a good idea. He should probably give an interview on a show like bill o'reilly.

I know people will flame at me for this, but I think Bill O'relly is more reasonable and wouldn't be that unfair to him.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

82. Not A Bad Line Of Logic.

It would have to go deeper than that of course, but that ain't a bad place to start.

[bigbrother05]

47. Please give the American people a little more credit

The analogy that it happened to John Kerry, so it will happen again, is old. We don't know what they will do.
It's fine to be prepared, the the fear tactic don't work anymore.
You saying that an AD running 24/7 will decide the vote.
That is like saying people decide who they are going to vote for based on the opinions here on DU.
The DRAMA on this board is over reaching at best.

[mtnsnake]

52. Credit for what? That half of them fell for the swiftboater's lies?

[rodeodance]

54. and don't say it is old and will not happen again. --that is sillyness.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

78. No. I Will Not Be That Ignorant Nor Naive. To Think An Ad Like That Couldn't Have An Impact, Is

outright delusional.

[bigbrother05]

88. Well you did it again

just because someone disagrees with you, you go straight to name calling, so now I am Ignorant, Naive, and delusional, thanks for discussing the OP.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

96. Get Over It. It Was 100% Accurate. You Presented A Concept That An Ad Like That,

or any ad for that matter, doesn't impact people anymore and is nothing whatsoever to worry about. Well holy shit, what fucking world are you living in? Cause in this one, such an ad could be DEVASTATING. Since that's a fact, since that's literally a verified political reality FACT, then dismissing it as something that wouldn't sway anyone or that ads have no impact anymore, is absolutely ignorant in concept, naive and delusional. That's a fact jack, so maybe you want to open your mind a little.

[bigbrother05]

119. Thank you from the voice of reason

much DRAMA in your life

[Megahurtz]

99. I have to agree. n/t

[elixir]

136. So "harry and louise" worked, the swiftboats worked but an ad

containing this nutbags rants (many of them)connecting him directly w/ Obama - "Uncle" - will not?!!

For some reason you folks don't realize that this is not about hillary, it's about the GE.

[GoldieAZ49]

51. What options are there for Obama and the Dems?

with 6 weeks before another primary he is going to twist in the wind on this

your ad imagery is exactly right, it will probably be on youtube soon

here is the problem as I see it:

Obama has praised him repeatedly and in his book, they have a 20 year relationship as mentor/protege and is Obama's spiritual adviser.

Obama has made some weak statements in an attempt to distance himself, but it doesn't wash. If he came out and denounced him it would be seen as politically motivated and not do anything but alienate his church parishioners and others in the black community. So it will not help him win white votes and could cost him black votes. No win.

I do not think Obama would throw the key figure of his life under the bus, if he does it shows a lack of character.

If Obama loses the nomination and the black community blames Hillary (like posters here do) they probably will not turn out to vote for her in November. Losing 13% of the democratic party base ensures defeat.


So, where am I wrong?

[Catherine Vincent]

53. Shut up, Hildabeast! :)

[mtnsnake]

62. LOL!

:evilgrin:

[dionysus]

75. where ya been? haven't seen ya at the station...

[usrbs]

69. Is that what you call debate?

Read the OP's posts. Read OP's other posts before you engage in stupid chilish name-calling. You should be ashamed!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. I Appreciate That Defense. But I Also Want You To Know That She Was Kidding :o)

She was making fun of the way comments like that are always posted seriously. She was just being a lighthearted wiseass. :)

[usrbs]

211. My apologies to her then. I can't tell anymore because there's so much garbage.

[usrbs]

213. I apologize. I didn't see the emotican,

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Okay, I won't call the Hillbot Trolls any more names, but it is tempting . . .

[dionysus]

68. LOL

[1620rock]

121. OMG Obama is toast, and his supporters are laughing it up.

[NYDem Observer]

92. An Obama Supporter who is firmly with the OP on this one

I am a strong Obama supporter and I believe he needs to head this thing off at the pass immediately! Fair or unfair the GOP will eat this up, paint Obama as the anti-patriot and create a perception in the mind of the people that he doesn't have Americans best interest at heart. 1 or 2 sentences denouncing Wright isn't going to cut it. Like MaCain with the sex scandal, Obama needs to deal with this issue head on, hold a press conference if he has to and take questions. The GE is too important to lose this time around.

[PVnRT]

95. Yes, he does

However, it seems many Hillary supporters are convinced that this is insurmountable, and he should just step aside and not bother any more.

[MediaBabe]

131. Nobody said he should step aside

They are pleading for him to not ignore it.

Hard issues must be dealt with. That's part of the deal. When you get to be president you don't get to ignore stuff you don't like and you don't get the job at all if you ignore what could be a fatal blow.

[tishaLA]

105. We too readily accept the framing of the argument

Fact: Obama's pastor has said things that many--most--Americans find reprehensible.
Fact: This furthers the narrative that Obama and Michelle are anti-American and not sufficiently servile. In fact, his candidacy does this.
Fact: The videos create an image, heretofore successfully avoided, that Sen Obama is a Bad, Scary Negro.
Fact: Obama must issue a statement, or (preferably) give a JFK-like speech, distancing himself from Wright's more immoderate comments.

Frame: What attracted Sen Obama to the church, and to Rev Wright, was his commitment to American values. However incendiary Rev Wright's rhetoric might sometimes be, he has worked all his life to ensure the basic equality and human dignity of people who are too often forgotten: LGBT people, the poor, people with AIDS, etc. These people are integral to Rev. Wright's vision and these are the things Obama has internalized under his tutelage. Obama has to do this by weaving his personal narrative into this because this is how he is most effective: to make himself an embodiment of a kind of Jeffersonian liberalism.

[ProSense]

118. Some DUers are in wishing mode that this will become a serious issue for Obama. Post it often enough

makes it a serious issue. It's the new Rezko!

[tishaLA]

135. I don't think it's "serious" except insofar as it contributes

to the narrative we already see emerging of Obama as anti-American--or, at the least, with questionable patriotism. That is NOT a narrative we can allow to take hold and, BTW, I think people love to hear politicians talk about "faith" and if Obama does address this in the way I suggested, and in a way he previously has, it will be compelling and will contribute to a more rounded version of Obama as a public figure than most of America has right now.

I think this can be a net positive, IF he plays it right. And, as a pragmatist, I think we have to be careful not to dismiss things like this simply because we like the politician/the sentiments of the pastor.

[bridgit]

142. Why would you use a word like "servile"?

[tishaLA]

143. for precisely the reason you think

and because I think it is the appropriate word.

[bridgit]

163. It's been rather some time since the Obama's considered themselves "servile"

to anyone. This insatiable BO supporter return to racism is telling. White people aren't the only ones susceptible to viewing themselves as being put upon, each side uses that fear factor to incite from within. It's a 'word'. I'll give you that. And in this context only "appropriate" in that you've used it to racially charge the environ even further. I see no long term benefit from that. Only hardness & intransigence.

[tishaLA]

175. Of course they don't consider themselves servile

and that is part of the problem for those who don't like him--you'll notice I was talking about the narrative surrounding Obama, right, and not my opinion of that narrative, which I think is foolish? He couldn't WAIT to run after such a short time in the Senate. His wife says things that upset the applecart and doesn't supplicate herself to the social niceties (this despite her job in corporate America and her Ivy education). And on and on.

[bridgit]

179. Fair enough, all the best, if I had my druthers all this stuff would end...

in very short order...the weird stuff...that effects us all :)

[bridgit]

112. Wright is incendiary. Others are. And so is Wright.

[knixphan]

117. John Hagee?

[bridgit]

128. Yes, and Jeremiah Wright. Now you've got it. The one does not mutually exclude the other

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

134. Please Wake Up. If You Think This Is Equivalent To That You Really Need A Slap Of Reality.

The Hagee incident is nowhere near as powerful as this one. Hagee endorsed McCain. Hagee didn't lead the church every sunday where McCain attended, marry him, baptize his children, become his mentor and spiritual adviser or inspiration for his book.

If you can't see the huge differences between the two then I really don't know what else to tell ya.

[Hope08]

125. Wright = Hagee

Agree it is an issue in the primaries, with Pa. looming, but it will be to a significant extent neutralized in the general by McCain's cozying up to Hagee, and Hagee's comments about the Catholic church being "the Whore of Babylon." The MSM is not paying attention to this now because **no one** is paying attention to McCain. 527s will likely not try to make Wright an issue once the general campaign season gets underway, because Hagee = Wright = mutually assured destruction. The press loves this kind of "they both do it" story; it allows them to appear balanced while stoking cynicism in the electorate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

146. If You Think The Two Are Even Remotely Related In Severity, Then I Question Your Judgment.

This is 100 times more useable than the Hagee fiasco. C'mon now, don't you know politics better than this? You think an endorsement compares to Wright's being Obama's mentor, spiritual advisor, the one who married him and baptized his children, was the source of inspiration for his book, and who he sat with every Sunday? Do you really for a second believe that to be true? Please tell me you aren't that naive as it relates to this...

[Cass]

130. Very well said, OMC.

I am in complete agreement with you. Failure to squash this now will bring some pretty nasty stuff in the GE if Obama gets the nod.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

132. Quick!! Everybody hyperventilate!! The End is Near!!

This campaign has gone beyond silly into the land of absurdity.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

148. Well Since You Don't Give A Shit If We Even Win Anyway, I Take Your Comment With The Grain Of Salt

it deserves...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

156. Perhaps you should stock up on smelling salts.

Seeing as how the doings of politicians gives you the vapors so often.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

158. Yes. How Dare I Care About Winning In November. I Should Just Hate Democrats Like You Do.

That would be so much more beneficial to our society. :dunce:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

162. Yes! You are in Charge!!! It all depends on YOU!!

You are going to save society from the bogeyman!!

Let me know how that works out.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

167. Yeah. I Should Sit Back, Give Up, Give In And Be Filled With Cynicism Like Some Weak Ass Loser.

No thanks. :hi:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

182. No. You're much more amusing as self-righteous fearmonger.

You and the rev(s) have a lot in common. Bombastic self-importance being the hallmark.

You should, between fainting spells, look up cynicism some time. So, you know what you're talking about.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

203. I Know The Definition Quite Well. I Also Know You Quite Well.

My comments stand firm.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

212. Will you be issuing your comments on parchment soon?

To give them some weight to "stand firm on."?

:rofl:

[knixphan]

164. agreed!

[amborin]

138. agreed: this can sink dems

if Obama is the nominee, this is a huge problem

some poster has already said that O needs to address this today, in the media

imagine:

the right wing repeatedly shows these clips, they circulate continually.....while O is up against war hero McCain.....

if O supporters think this is just coming from hilllary supporters....they better get smart fast...

this is from concerned dems seeing there's a huge problem that a possible dem nominee needs to fix immediately

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

150. Hear Hear!

Great post.

:toast:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

139. Does anybody really think he won't address this further?

Probably within the next 4 hours.

Have a clementine.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

151. I Hope You're Right, And I Hope It's Strong Enough.

[rodeodance]

165. The Obama campaign couldn't immediately say whether he'd remain on the committee.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wrights_committee.html


March 13, 2008

Wright's committee

Jeremiah Wright, in the news today because video of a sermon (parts of which had been reported, and disavowed, before) adds some heat to the discussion of his relationship with Obama, has generally been described as connected to Obama only informally — a religious figure with whom Obama has said he disagrees at times, a kind of cranky uncle.

But he also has a formal role on the campaign.

Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee — the sort of largely honorary, advisory body that in recent days has recently been used mostly to throw people off who say controversial things.

The Obama campaign couldn't immediately say whether he'd remain on the committee.
……..

[amborin]

218. what is a clementine?

a post yesterday said the way o handles it is also crucial...

maybe you can dig up that post

that he can't throw w over totally, but must very carefully denounce or whatever the exact words were

[Quixote1818]

239. He may need to do a 60 Minutes segment on this. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

145. You guys are SO frustrated that its getting funny. The only traction this story is getting..

is on Rush. :rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

153. Could Your Eyes Be Closed Any Tighter? Holy Cow, Wake Up Pal.

And come the GE, if the ad I mentioned is playin on tv's across the nation, they're gonna be in a hell of a lot more homes than rush listeners. Try and wake up a bit. Use. Your. Head.

[JuniperLea]

172. Psssttt...

Kool Aid poisoning... scary shit, huh?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

177. LOL

That's one of the funniest short comments I've seen yet. I love the way you put that!!

Made me giggle out loud.

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

186. My work here is done...

My good deed for the day delivered! I've paid forward and I can be a complete asshole the rest of the day;)

:silly:

[JuniperLea]

231. Check this out... I've posted this twice today in two different threads... these idiots are killing

themselves with the poison~!


Here's the now thrice cross post:

Why are you hell bent on making this HRC vs. BHO??!?!???!?!?!

I don't care for either of them! I voted for Edwards before he threw in the towel! And I voted for Edwards because he was different from "The Other Two"!

"The Other Two" are HRC and BHO... and there isn't enough different about them to shake a stick at!

Keep your hideous hubris to yourself! I never said shit about Hillary being better than Obama in any way, ever, in any forum, not in person, not online... nowhere... never.

You are putting words in other people's mouths to support this invisible dialog you have going on in your own damn head. There was no reason to bring up Hillary. She reeks as badly as Obama!

Jeez!

Grow the fuck up and step the hell away from the fucking Kool Aid!!! You are poisoning yourself!!!

[gravity]

159. Obama does a better job defending himself than I ever can

His campaign isn't stupid, and they are going to deal with this issue in a prompt matter. Panicking here just adds fuel to the fire making this bigger than it needs to be.

This is an obvious concern, but I think it will blow over and its effect be marginalized. It will not make or break Obama.

[JuniperLea]

161. I feel your frustration...

Cross posted from another thread:

The point is we've been harassed by Fundamentalist Christians attempting to force us to obey laws their own God chose NOT to force us to adhere to for a very long time. We don't need any more "leading from the pulpit". In fact, most of us are fucking pissed as hell at the mere mention of an inkling of a possibility of this happening.

It's not Hillary's choice, it's not Obama's choice. It's the choice of the USA not to be governed by a theocracy. That is what is feared will happen if any of our leaders live their lives too closely to what some dumbass preacher is saying.

They guy next door can worship in any damn church he chooses. He's not sitting with his hand on "The Button".

Look at GWB... hand on button and glorifying the apocalypse!


Edited to say... Wright echos the same sentiments as the BushCo Fundies... that is what is so freaking scary to me!!

[knixphan]

168. concentrate on Hagee.

[DaDooRonRon]

173. Reacting to the superficial

Neither candidate will end the occupation of Iraq (please, you actually think all U.S. soldiers will come out of Iraq? - dream on), neither candidate will do a damned thing about corporate funding of elections, neither candidate will touch the facts about stolen elections, neither one will get anywhere near an investigation into 9/11, neither will so much as say "boo" to Israel, so what shall shall we do?

I've got it! - let's talk preachers!

It figures.

Why don't you rant about the color of my socks - it means about as much.

[MethuenProgressive]

184. REV. JEREMIAH A. WRIGHT, JR.: Pastor inspires Obama's 'audacity'

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271630.story

When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity.

Later he would base his 2004 keynote speech to the Democratic National Convention on a Wright sermon called "Audacity to Hope," --also the inspiration for Obama's second memoir, "The Audacity of Hope."

Though Wright and Obama do not often talk one-on-one often, the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves.

[zulchzulu]

189. Three simple things you need to know about this "issue"

I'll give it to you in nice big print so you can see it...OK?

Hillary is not going to be the nominee, no matter how hard she tries to cheat

Obama is going to be the nominee so get used to it

If McCain wants to bring up pastors, Obama will CRUSH HIM with Hagee's link to McCain



OK? Get it? Good.

[dionysus]

192. LOLOLOLOL

zinnnggggggg!!!

[azmouse]

193. I'll add to that:

Anyone who could be persuaded to not vote for Obama in the GE because of his paster wasn't intending to vote for him anyway.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

205. This Is A Serious Issue. You Can Be As Childish About It As You Want, But That Doesn't Change

anything.

Furthermore, I'd say the superdelegates will definitely have this in their heads a bit as well. Might not show now, but when the time comes it might.

This has nothing to do with candidate vs candidate and all to do with a big issue we need to deal with, that could impact us negatively and significantly in the GE. If you got your childish and biased head out of your ass long enough to see what's right in front of you, you'd be addressing it with a bit more maturity and thoughtfulness than your dismissive stupidity shows.

[zulchzulu]

227. OK..so congratulate yourself for a non-issue that won't be an issue in the GE...

...unless McCain wants to commit political suicide.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

234. You Really Need To Enter The Real World A Little. This Will Without A DOUBT Be Part Of The GE,

if he doesn't get his hands around it right now.

To think this won't be an issue would be one of the most naive things I could think of.

In fact, the RW has the most powerful swiftboating campaign right at their disposal RIGHT NOW based on everything already given to them.

You take the flag pin incident, the hand over heart incident, his wife's comments incident, and now actual POWERFUL video of these insane things his most close adviser has said, and you've got yourself one of the most propagandic pieces of swiftboating material you could ever imagine. This makes the Kerry thing look like nothing. And with them having ALLLLLLL of that, with alllllll the imagery they could concoct from it, with all the mileage and perceptions they can get from it, you're gonna sit here and tell me they're not gonna use it? Sorry, but that's nothing short of absolutely insane.

[cboy4]

219. People like you should be arrested for typing in such

obnoxious large print.

ugh.

[gaspee]

190. I didn't think

Obama was electable before this. Now I know he isn't. I'm so worried we're going to see prez McCain on 1/20/09 and all the fucking Obama supporters care about is trashing people trying to get a Dem into the White House. If it ain't their guy, they're not playing. Talk about childish and stupid.

This thing makes Obama unelectable. Period.

[azmouse]

196. Don't act like this really changed your mind.

You weren't going to vote for him anyway. You're just trying to find some excuse.

If it isn't your girl, you're not playing. Talk about childish and stupid.

[gaspee]

215. Fuck off

Have fun with President McCain on 1/20/09

The only dem I thought could have won the general is Edwards, which is why I supported him.

Clinton has a better shot than Obama, but it's still a long shot. Obama is unelectable. He'll be lucky to win 10 states.

Thanks for another 8 years of Republican rules you stupid Obamanation.

[azmouse]

220. Classy.

Yet another fool to toss into the bozo bucket and put on ignore.

Enjoy next Jan watching the inauguration of President Obama.

[gaspee]

221. I'm so fucking sick and tired

Of you Obama supporters. Face reality. He should have waited to run for President. He'd be a goddamned shoe in if he had waited. Now we get another 4, maybe 8 years of Republicans.

Thanks.

[JoFerret]

195. Stop ranting into empty space

Go out there and do some work for your candidate and stop this frothing hate.

[Bake]

197. What the O-bots seems to be missing is this:

They think McCain can't raise the Wright issue because of his Hagee connection.

McCain won't have to. The 527's will do it for him. And even if McCain does it (and I suspect he will) the game is over, because of the visceral response to "God Damn America."

But maybe if the O-bots keep whistling past the graveyard, they won't see their man's dead-in-the-water candidacy inside.

Bake

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

206. You're Right. And Hagee Pales Immensely In Comparison To This.

It just takes the slightest hint of intellect and objectivity to realize that. They're out of their minds I think...

[VotesForWomen]

238. yep and if dems go forward with O's nomination, it could do some serious damage to the image of the

party. repugs could successfully paint the democratic party as the party of anti-american cowards (since o folks keep pushing his 'anti-war' credentials, which is a joke, but never mind.) it could be mcgovern all over, but worse, at least mcgovern was a bona-fide WW2 vet (combat pilot, i think).

[blues90]

200. Once an add like this is out

It's not going away . Trouble is what Wright did say and how he said it was there on tape . These were his words that no one put in his mouth . How does it matter how the tapes may be put together these are still his words .

If they were parts of his speeches taken and put together then to get his true meaning all that can be done is to play there tapes each in it's entirety .

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

207. That's Why This Is Such A Big Problem.

I haven't been concerned about anything yet as it relates to either candidate. Now I am. I don't like that feeling very much.

[dcindian]

210. The Republican party wishes to thank you for your:

participation in the trash Democratic nominees at any cost drive. You can pick up your check this Friday in the I hate all things progressive wing of the shit on your neighbor building.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

216. Maybe You Should Address The Real Situation Facing Us. And While You're At It, Show Me Where I

attacked ANY democratic nominee. Can you do that pal? Can ya? Or can you just say stupid ass brainless knee jerk attacks that carry no merit?

Weak ass fool.

[dchill]

217. How are we going to squash it?

By doing more and more anti-Obama OP's on DU? By repeatedly posting negative comments about Obama in an attempt to get us all to "see the light" (and vote for Hillary Clinton?) No. Quit screaming profanities and indulge the idea that the Wright issue is soon going to be a bad joke. If you let it.

[azmouse]

224. Hillary's side never will stop flinging the poo.

It's a scorched earth policy. If their 'girl' can't have the nomination then Obama can't be allowed to win in Nov and nothing will stand in their way.

You see, I'm told all day that it's Obama fault that these insults need to be flung at him because he had the audacity to get in the way of Hillary's coronation.

[Bake]

241. You'll WISH it were a bad joke in October

When the 527 ads gear up.

Wake the fuck up. The coffee is burned.

Bake

[dchill]

252. I don't suppose you'd know anything about anything...

that the "527s" have planned for Hillary Clinton? No, of course not. I'm awake - are you?

[Bake]

257. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

It's not rocket science.

Bake

[dchill]

258. It took you over eight hours...

to come up with THAT? Later, dude.

[VotesForWomen]

223. correct; some O-folks here think bashing hillary is more important than winning the GE. nt

[jpak]

229. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Ignorant bombastic flamebait name-calling hypocrisy at its worse...

:rofl:

[Quixote1818]

232. Obama needs to clear this up in a big way. I think it's very damaging.

Those video's are not going to play well in Peoria! At this fucking point I think we need to be seriously looking at Gore as the compromise candidate. Both Hillary and Obama are looking too tainted. If Obama can really clear this up and have it pass it's possible he could be OK. I guess we will have to see what happens in the next few states? I am afraid this could be very big.

[DeepModem Mom]

240. As an Obama supporter, I was distressed that this was brought to DM Dad's office yesterday --

and to talk about it, was added, "No wonder Michelle said she wasn't proud to be an American." Both of our candidates have things out there that can hurt their candidacy in the GE. I don't see how we can see this as a positive for Barack. I doubt seriously that his campaign does.

[Umbram]

250. This is an important story. It does need to be discussed. There ARE trolls.

These aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

This is absolutely an issue that could have a serious effect on the outcome of the elections.

That doesn't mean that there aren't INDIVIDUAL trolls that are lapping this up and loving it (despite the fact that it is really bad for the entire party, not just Obama).

[Usrename]

251. At least his pastor was a light-complected black man...

...and not one of those really dark-skinned uppity black guys that can really scare white folks.

:rofl:

[BigBearJohn]

253. This will NEVER happen and will have NO effect on the GE, right:

Announcer on future 527 ad:

"Most preachers give
sermons praising the Lord.
Yet, Obama's pastor and mentor
of 20 years preaches
'God Damn America'

(but Obama claims never to
have heard that part. Riiiight!)"

[sellitman]

256. A Shrek would say...

Better out than in.


If this didn't come out now you can be sure the repiggies would of found it later. Their timing would of devistated Obama.

He has time to recover.

We can only hope there isn't more.