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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:11 AM
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Meet Hillary's Religious Leader, Rightwingnut Doug Coe >>>






Douglas Coe

The Stealth Persuader: Many people think Congress is the host of the gala annual National Prayer Breakfast, which takes place this week. It is not. The breakfast is organized by 33 members of Congress who belong to a well-connected but secretive Christian group called the Fellowship Foundation, which is run by Douglas Coe. Coe, 76, has been called the "stealth Billy Graham." He specializes in the spiritual struggles of the powerful.

Several members of Congress live in rooms rented in a town house owned by a foundation affiliated with the group. Coe and his associates sometimes travel (on their own dime) with congressional members abroad andaccording to investigations by the Los Angeles Times and Harper'shave played backstage roles in such diplomatic coups as the 1976 Camp David accords. Yet Coe also befriends dictators. "He would still hold out hope that these people could be redeemed and try to work through them to help the people over whom they have authority," says Richard Carver, president of the Fellowship's board of directors. Some skeptical Evangelicals criticize Coe's indiscriminate alliances and his downplaying of Jesus' divinity in favor of his earthly teachingswhich allows Coe to pray with Muslim and Buddhist leaders. But few turn down an opportunity to confer with him.

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101050207/photoessay/4...






http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillary...

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics
September 1, 2007

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Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

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When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

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Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protg, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by Godleaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

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These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfastregularly attended by about 40 membersis a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobssay, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.

Clinton has championed federal funding of faith-based social services, which she embraced years before George W. Bush did; Marci Hamilton, author of God vs. the Gavel, says that the Clintons' approach to faith-based initiatives "set the stage for Bush." Clinton has also long supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a measure that has become a purity test for any candidate wishing to avoid war with the Christian right.

Liberal rabbi Michael Lerner, whose "politics of meaning" Clinton made famous in a speech early in her White House tenure, sees the senator's ambivalence as both more and less than calculated opportunism. He believes she has genuine sympathy for liberal causesrights for women, gays, immigrantsbut often will not follow through. "There is something in her that pushes her toward caring about others, as long as there's no price to pay. But in politics, there is a price to pay."



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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:14 AM
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1. Does he make sexual motions from the pulpit
in front of little girls?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:16 AM
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3. Where is this video link you keep refering to?
I haven't seen any of these videos yet. Do you have a link?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:24 AM
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26. Order the tape, we did
I don't trust the MSM or u-tube so we ordered the tape to see for ourselves. Google it, you should be able to find it
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merkins Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:23 PM
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46. Do you think...
Do you think I could trade in my video of the Hillary/Vince Foster Suicide Cover-up for it?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:18 AM
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5. Oh but Bill Clinton sure did and that's who he was imitating
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:22 AM by Catherina
Some argue that blacks should vote for Clinton because her husband was good to us, he continued.
Thats not true, he thundered. He did the same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky.


Many in the crowd were on their feet, applauding - amazed, amused and moved by the fiery rhetoric of their preacher, who is about to retire.

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If Wrights rhetoric costs Obama some votes, others believe that would be more than offset by voters moved by Obamas ability to bring religion back into the liberal political message.

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Jeremiah Wright is one of the most influential and well-known black preachers in America, Walters said. His church is in the center of black culture. It is not some cult. It is not something out of the way. It is a quintessential black church.

sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-spiritual-mentor-brings-up-monica
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:11 AM
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25. That link doesn't work. (eom)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:58 PM
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44. Did little girls see news about blue dresses and how presidents prefer their cigars?
You must have had an overdose of Feign-Feign.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:14 AM
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2. relative to this group...
I think Obama made the "Wright" choice.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:17 AM
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4.  She belongs to "The Fellowship" and they worship capitalism and power.
Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

'The Fellowship' & "How Hillary Clinton Turned Herself into the Consummate Washington Player"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Why Obama must be destroyed:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:31 AM
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8. I should have guessed I was not the first.
But I think it bears repeating.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:40 AM
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14. I am glad you did, Stephanie
:hi:
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:47 AM
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16. "It bears repeating". YES! IMO, the more threads on Doug Coe, the better.for DU
What is worse, the FORMER pastor who performed the Obama marriage and christened their children getting on in years and going on an occasional pulpit rant; or a secretive Presidential candidate mixed up with a KOOKY RELIGIOUS POLITICAL POWER CULT for 15 years?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:06 PM
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67. I'm glad someone else posted it.
I had a typo in the title of my thread, and got trashed on that. Nobody would believe the links I posted.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:24 AM
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6. Very scary.
The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan. :scared:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:30 AM
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7. Remind you of anyone?
It's eerily similar to the neocon guru Leo Strauss.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:45 AM
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15. Yes. Eerily similar
When you look at the big picture it's very scary. Hillary's didn't vote for the Iraq war or to classify the Iranian military as a terrorist organization in a vaccuum.



Richard Holbrooke likes Hillary Clinton. In fact he may well be asked to serve as Secretary of State if she is to win the presidential campaign next year. Holbrooke, a Democratic adaptation of Henry Kissinger, loves her approach to foreign policy.

She is probably more assertive and willing to use force than her husband, says Holbrooke, a former adviser to Bill Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a classic national-security Democrat. She is better at framing national-security issues for the current era than her husband was at a common point in his career.

Holbrooke is an example of just how scary a Clinton administration would be.

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http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=1337...


Then there is Hillary Clinton on the issues. Cato Institute President Ed Crane recently wrote a piece for the Financial Times pointing out that when you strip away the partisan coating, Mrs. Clintons grandiose, big-government vision is really no different than that envisioned by the neoconservatives so loathed by the left. Clinton, remember, not only voted for the Iraq war, she still hasnt conceded she was wrong to do so, and has made no promise to end it any time soon.

In fact, the L.A. Times reported last week that Clinton has refused to commit even to pulling U.S. troops from Iraq by 2013, which, if elected, would be the end of her first term. TV journalist Ted Koppel recently told NPR that Clinton has admitted the U.S. would still have troops in Iraq at the end of her second term.

The 1990s, remember, werent exactly a decade of peace. Bill Clinton ordered more U.S. military interventions than any other post-WWII administration, and theres no reason to think any of them were over Hillarys protestations. She supported the U.S. military campaigns in Haiti, Kosovo, and Bosnia. She once boasted that as the tension in Kosovo mounted, she called her husband from her trip to Africa and, I urged him to bomb.

Hillary Clinton voted for both the Patriot Act and its reauthorization. She voted for building a wall on the U.S.-Mexican border. She voted to loosen restrictions limiting the federal governments ability to wiretap cell phones. In the past, she has supported a robust role for the federal government in enforcing decency standards in television and music. She teamed up with former Sen. Rick Santorum on a bill calling for the federal government to restrict the sale of violent video games.


And on many of the most controversial and far-reaching pieces of legislation that have been passed these last seven years, Senator Clinton has voted the de-facto neoconservative position.

http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/hillary-clinton/15...



What about secrecy and executive power? It's difficult to see Hillary Clinton voluntarily handing back all of those extra-constitutional executive powers claimed by President Bush. Her husband's administration, for example, copiously invoked dubious "executive privilege" claims to keep from complying with congressional subpoenas and open records requestsclaims the left now (correctly, in my view) regularly criticizes the Bush administration for invoking.

Hillary Clinton herself went to court to keep meetings of her Health Care Task Force secret from the public, something conservatives were quick to point out when leftists criticize Vice President Cheney's similar efforts to keep meetings of his Energy Task Force secret.

"I'm a strong believer in executive authority," Clinton said in a 2003 speech, recently quoted in The New Republic. "I wish that, when my husband was president, people in Congress had been more willing to recognize presidential authority."

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Activists on the left need to recognize that Hillary Clinton winning the Democratic primary is the GOP's last best hope to elect a Republican to continue pursuing President Bush's pursuit of these unfortunate policies. And judging by her political career and recent voting record, they should also realize that even if they succeed in electing Hillary Clinton to the White House, it's likely that the only real resulting change in Washington will be that come 2009, we'll merely have a Democrat pursuing the same misguided policies.

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http://reason.com/news/show/123103.html
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:53 PM
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60. Hey there, do you happen to know where I can find a guide to Hillary's votes?
I'm looking for something that will show what the vote was about and how she voted. I had no idea that she voted yes to building a wall on the US Mexican Border. I happened to be in Texas just before their primary and pretty much every time Hillary or someone from her Campaign spoke they said the Latinos vote would go for her. I'm sure it was said so many times the latinos figured they'd better, I wonder if they heard of this vote?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:37 AM
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11. So what? Almost everyone who believes in God believes in the will of God.
If you're one of the elite, and you're a believer, then you believe God created the circumstances to make you elite so He can use you as He wills. If you're one of the poor, and you're a believer, then you believe God created the circumstances to make you poor so He can use you as He wills.

That's one of my problems with accepting religion, that some entity in the sky created me, created my circumstances, in order to use me for his amusement/purposes. You can't win any argument for your own merit or the innate goodness or maliciousness of individuals, when it all boils down to "God's will."

Good night.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:37 AM
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9. K&R(#4) GREAT links! See also the previous GD:P discussion at URL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... .

"What's sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose"

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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:37 AM
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10. K&R
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:39 AM
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12. K&R
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:39 AM
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13. .
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:56 AM
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17. AA empowerment vs. Psycho stealth RW politics.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:57 AM by boppers
Hm. Tough choice..... not.

I honor and respect Hillary's decision to become a Republican, but she really needs to switch primaries.




tpyo
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:04 AM
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18. precisely
It's getting sick.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:05 AM
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19. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:20 AM
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20. Hillary's spiritual mentor, the King of fundamentalists, Doug Coe
Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

The Fellowship's ideas are essentially a blend of Calvinism and Norman Vincent Peale, the 1960s preacher of positive thinking. It's a cheery faith in the "elect" chosen by a single voter--God--and a devotion to Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.... The powers that be are ordained of God." Or, as Coe has put it, "we work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."

When Time put together a list of the nation's 25 most powerful evangelicals in 2005, the heading for Coe's entry was "The Stealth Persuader." "You know what I think of when I think of Doug Coe?" the Reverend Schenck (a Coe admirer) asked us. "I think literally of the guy in the smoky back room that you can't even see his face. He sits in the comer, and you see the cigar, and you see the flame, and you hear his voice--but you never see his face. He's that shadowy figure."

Mother Jones article:Hillarys prayer: Hillary Clintons religion and politics



Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as the Family. The Family is, in its own words, an invisible association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as members, as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

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We work with power where we can, the Family's leader, Doug Coe, says, build new power where we can't.

At the 1990 National Prayer Breakfast, George H.W. Bush praised Doug Coe for what he described as quiet diplomacy, I wouldn't say secret diplomacy, as an ambassador of faith. Coe has visited nearly every world capital, often with congressmen at his side, making friends and inviting them back to the Family's unofficial headquarters, a mansion (just down the road from Ivanwald) that the Family bought in 1978 with $1.5 million donated by, among others, Tom Phillips, then the C.E.O. of arms manufacturer Raytheon, and Ken Olsen, the founder and president of Digital Equipment Corporation. ... The mansion is named for these trees; it is called The Cedars, and Family members speak of it as a person. The Cedars has a heart for the poor, they like to say. By poor they mean not the thousands of literal poor living barely a mile away but rather the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom: the senators, generals, and prime ministers who coast to the end of Twenty-fourth Street in Arlington in black limousines and town cars and hulking S.U.V.'s to meet one another, to meet Jesus, to pay homage to the god of The Cedars.

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Declaring God's covenant with the Jews broken, the group's core members call themselves the new chosen.

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A man I didn't recognize, whom Charlene identified as a former senator, suggested that negotiators from Rwanda and Congo, trapped in a war that has slain more than 2 million, should stop worrying about who will get the diamonds and the oil and instead focus on who will get Jesus. Power sharing is not going to work unless we change their hearts, he said.

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Tiahrt was a short shot glass of a man, two parts flawless hair and one part teeth. He wanted to know the best way for the Christian to win the race with the Muslim. The Muslim, he said, has too many babies, while Americans kill too many of theirs. Doug agreed this could be a problem. But he was more concerned that the focus on labels like Christian might get in the way of the congressman's prayers. Religion distracts people from Jesus, Doug said, and allows them to isolate Christ's will from their work in the world.

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He reached over and squeezed the arm of a brother. Isn't that great? David said. That's the way everything in life happens. If you're a person known to be around Jesus, you can go and do anything. And that's who you guys are. When you leave here, you're not only going to know the value of Jesus, you're going to know the people who rule the world. It's about vision. 'Get your vision straight, then relate.' Talk to the people who rule the world, and help them obey. Obey Him. If I obey Him myself, I help others do the same. You know why? Because I become a warning. We become a warning. We warn everybody that the future king is coming. Not just of this country or that, but of the world. Then he pointed at the map, toward the Khan's vast, reclaimable empire.

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http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525


The Harper's article is long but very interesting.
Here's more for anyone interested:

"Clinton ... has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


And to reemphasize what you wrote

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillary...






US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) at the National Prayer Breakfast, February 2007, in Washington, DC.

The Fellowship, which sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast, quietly effects political change. It acts with the blessing of many in power. http://www.toobeautiful.org/lat_020927.html

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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:29 AM
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21. ouch
Republicans?

WOW! JUST WOW!
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:30 AM
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22. self delete
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 03:30 AM by SunsetDreams
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:46 AM
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23. This is really going to sink her with real democrats.
We have learned our lesson with Neocons. How can we trust her not to bomb Iran and other countries when this hate spewing pastor is her personal mentor?

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IamyourTVandIownyou Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:03 AM
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24. Reverend Don Jones was fired by his congregation
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 04:03 AM by IamyourTVandIownyou
"Hillarys defenders make much of her Christianity. But Klein exposes the dark side of Hillarys Methodist upbringing. Her youth minister, the Reverend Don Jones, with whom Hillary formed a life-long friendship, was fired by his congregation for pushing "socialist" ideology."


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=1FD...
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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:34 AM
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27. Coe Blames Gays for AIDS
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:55 AM
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28. The Family
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 06:00 AM by JTFrog
National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These are some of the names the group has used.

Here are some of their players: Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as members, as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.).

Wonder why they are called "The Family"?



Todd Tiahrt, (R-Kansas)wanted to know the best way for the Christian to win the race with the Muslim. The Muslim, he said, has too many babies, while Americans kill too many of theirs.

Doug agreed this could be a problem. But he was more concerned that the focus on labels like Christian might get in the way of the congressman's prayers. People separate it out, he warned Tiahrt. Religion distracts people from Jesus, Doug said, and allows them to isolate Christ's will from their work in the world. 'Oh, okay, I got religion, that's private.' As if Jesus doesn't know anything about building highways, or Social Security. We gotta take Jesus out of the religious wrapping.

All right, how do we do that? Tiahrt asked.

A covenant, Doug answered. The congressman half-smiled, as if caught between confessing his ignorance and pretending he knew what Doug was talking about. Like the Mafia, Doug clarified. Look at the strength of their bonds. He made a fist and held it before Tiahrt's face. Tiahrt nodded, squinting. See, for them it's honor, Doug said. For us, it's Jesus.

Coe listed other men who had changed the world through the strength of the covenants they had forged with their brothers: Look at Hitler, he said. Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden. The Family, of course, possessed a weapon those leaders lacked: the total Jesus of a brotherhood in Christ.

That's what you get with a covenant, said Coe. Jesus plus nothing.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525



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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:30 AM
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29. During Monica, Jesse Jackson was a spiritual advisor to the Clintons..
I wish someone would bring THAT up.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:25 AM
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30. Coe & his son "refer to the Mafia and Hitler as role models in the acquisition of power..."



http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/top/ts_multi/do...

Sharlet, in both interview and Harpers article, sees the Family as a scary institution not exactly conspiratorial, he said, but behind-the-scenes activists whose work is troubling. Among his observations:

"The most important thing for them is power," and the ultimate goal of the Family is "a government built by God."

"Doug Coe is one of the most important people on the planet."

Coe whom he described as "frighteningly charismatic" and his son David Coe, the Familys heir apparent, refer to the Mafia and Hitler as role models in the acquisition of power, although, in the Familys case, power is gathered to spread the word of Jesus. "You guys are here to learn how to rule the world," he quotes David Coe telling the residents at the house called Ivanwald where he lived with the other male apprentices/servants.

The group, although bipartisan, is deeply conservative. While somewhat opposed to institutionalized Christianity, "they have a deep affection for the military" and see themselves as waging "spiritual war." In his instruction by the Family, he heard about "biblical capitalism" laissez-faire capitalism. Among those involved, he writes, are many prominent corporate executives as well as John Ashcroft, the attorney general, and Charles Colson, the Nixon aide convicted in the Watergate scandal who became an evangelist.

In the Familys prayer groups, or cells, a central idea, Sharlet said, is to cede your life to the authority of the group. Yet membership makes you part of "a chosen, and if youre in leadership, God has chosen you." He believed this kind of thinking "starts shifting you rightward."



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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:46 AM
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31. Kick
:kick:
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:59 AM
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32. TTT
:popcorn:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:05 AM
Original message
delete - dupe
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 11:05 AM by redqueen
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:05 AM
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33. Yikes. That "Fellowship" crap sounds scary.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:12 AM
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34. Guess who lives in one of those rented rooms? Bill Nelson.
"Several members of Congress live in rooms rented in a town house owned by a foundation affiliated with the group. Coe and his associates sometimes travel (on their own dime) with congressional members abroad andaccording to investigations by the Los Angeles Times and Harper'shave played backstage roles in such diplomatic coups as the 1976 Camp David accords. Yet Coe also befriends dictators. "He would still hold out hope that these people could be redeemed and try to work through them to help the people over whom they have authority," says Richard Carver, president of the Fellowship's board of directors. Some skeptical Evangelicals criticize Coe's indiscriminate alliances and his downplaying of Jesus' divinity in favor of his earthly teachingswhich allows Coe to pray with Muslim and Buddhist leaders. But few turn down an opportunity to confer with him."

The Fellowship and its Florida connections. Just how powerful is this group?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:02 AM
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65. This is a very scary, and deep rabbit hole
Blue dogs in rabbit holes!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:36 AM
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35. I would rather meet with Rev Wright than those creepy
Conservative Dominionists that Hillary "prays" with.

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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:45 AM
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36. The Handmaiden called.
She wants her tale back.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:51 PM
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40. Welcome to DU, sudopod!
Well done!
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:53 PM
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43. Thanks for the warm welcome! ^_^ nt
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:06 PM
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37. He's White, So It's Okay
it's those scary black preachers we must fear!
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:55 PM
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42. Precisely! The double standard is SO apparent.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:36 PM
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38. Kick
Let's keep this puppy on the front page.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:38 PM
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39. Did he say --GOD DAM AMERICA?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:53 PM
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41. Maybe "For once in my life I'm proud to be a GOD DAMN AMERICA-n"?
that'd be a two-fer
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:46 PM
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48. he's interested in waging warfare for Christ
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:00 PM
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45. Why can't intelligent Dems see that this Wright stuff is Hillary's response to this month's article
in Mother Jones.

It's so typical to take info that looks bad for yourself and project it onto your opponent any way you can so as to lessen the impact of the original info on yourself.


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:38 PM
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47. why isn't this producing outrage?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:52 PM
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49. Meet Will Marshall, co-founder of the Democratic Leadership Council/DLC
and President of the DLC's leading think tank Progressive Policy Institute/PPI, Will Marshall PNAC signatory who's PPI was funded by the extreme RW neocon deep pocket powerhouse from Milwaukee The Bradley Foundation.

Will Marshall RightWeb profile
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295.html

PPI funding grants 2000-2002 (Media Transparency)
http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipientgrants.php?re...

"Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc." (link to a must read active GD thread started 3-7-2008)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Btw Stephanie, this is what I meant about "traitors" a few weeks ago.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:53 PM
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50. Gotcha!
:hi:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:14 PM
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54. .
:)
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:24 PM
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55. Nice nugget from your rightweb link... describing "the third way"
The core principles of the "third way movement" are set forth in the DLC/PPI's 1996 publication, The New Progressive Declaration: A Political Philosophy for the Information Age. As the New Democrats explain, the enduring progressive values must be adapted to the information age, which translates into policy recommendations that are very close to policies articulated by the administration of George W. Bush: uncompromising support for free market and free trade economics, a strong military with a global presence, an end to the politics of entitlement, rejection of affirmative action, and an embrace of competitive enterprise while at the same time rejecting a key role for government in development policy. Expressing the opinion of many progressive Democrats, Robert Kuttner, American Prospect editor, wrote that the political approach of the DLC amounts to "splitting the difference with a Republican administration" (American Prospect, July 7, 2002).
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:54 PM
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51. Where the heck have you people been? ( Sorry my cynicism is on the hair trigger setting)
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 09:26 PM by Agony
Jesus plus nothing:
Undercover among America's secret theocrats
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

This story is 5 years old....

Just hold your nose and vote Democratic. At this point what else can you do? It hardly freaking matters which one you vote for! Yeah it is that bad.

National STRIKE! May 1st Strike for Impeachment! Strike to get out of the Middle East!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:57 PM
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52. I didn't see the part where Coe used racist remarks, or damned the US.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 08:58 PM by pirhana
Or use Monica Lewinsky in his sermons.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:49 PM
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58. Oh, what Coe does is far worse than questioning a white's understanding of a black man's experience.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 10:52 PM by Maat
He is part and parcel of the crew that advocates going back to capitol punishments for adultery and being born gay.

The fact is that Hillary prays with members of the Fellowship (Chuck Colsen is a leader with the Fellowship - his history is so long I won't bore you with it here). Link to another article: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillary... (sorry, I see that it is cited above).
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:11 AM
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66. Splinter cells
This is such an ugly fascist group.


:kick:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:00 PM
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53. Coe is the unofficial leader of the Fellowship Foundation. Know them? You should!!!!!
The organization's official name is the Fellowship Foundation, but it's more commonly known as the Fellowship or the Family. Its membership is a closely guarded secret, and there are no official dues. Members are told to keep silent about the group and its activities.

Since the mid-1930s the Fellowship has used weekly prayer meetings, National Prayer Breakfasts and powerful connections to champion an extreme religious and political agenda. Its founder, Abraham Vereide, was a Methodist evangelical from Seattle who believed that Communists were wrecking America.

As the story goes, Vereide had a vision one night. A bright light appeared, and a voice spoke to him. To bring people in power back to God, he organized weekly prayer meetings for local businessmen and government leaders. By 1942 the gatherings had spread to Washington, D.C., starting with invitations to members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Soon about 100 congressmen were attending.

(snip)

Katherine Yurica, an expert on fundamentalist religious groups, describes the Fellowship as postmillennial Christian Dominionist, a sect whose goal is to hasten the end of the world and Jesus's return. Many of the faithful believe this will come to fruition in the form of all-out nuclear war, which will lead to Armageddon-the final battle between Christ and the Antichrist.

Dominionists interpret the Bible literally. They fervently believe that Jesus cannot return to Earth until all Jews have returned to the Promised Land mentioned in the Old Testament. These Christian zealots insist that the end-of-the-world war will begin in Israel. This explains why the conservatives in power seek to control America's relations with the Middle East, particularly Israel.

A U.S. government higher-up claims, on the condition of anonymity, that the Fellowship (which operates as a nonprofit organization) is merely a tax dodge for Big Business interests. "They use religious members as dupes to further their nonreligious goals," says the official.

However, it's hard to ignore the multitude of powerful people in this country who are involved. Noting its close ties with the White House and the defense industry, some Beltway insiders have dubbed the Fellowship Foundation the "Christian Mafia."


http://www.larryflynt.com/notebook.php?id=134
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:50 AM
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69. I was told by a Clinton supporter that it doesn't matter
because Wright was political and Coe was not.

:wtf:
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:51 PM
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56. Make sure you send this to Olberman K&R
So Hillary can get the scrutiny she deserves. lol

I read about the fellowship years ago but didn't Hillary was a member.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:45 PM
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57. It's creepy
There's a link above that says they are Dominionists, hoping to hasten the Apocolypse. :scared:
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:10 AM
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61. Welcome to the wonderful world of shit's creek cult without a paddle.
Retarded morons in love with power who want to rule the world. Sounds like the neo con's fanasty of world domination.

How's that workin' out? The only thing they'll hasten is the demise of their retarded conceptual map of reality. :rofl: http://antiwar.com/pat /

Have faith in the goddess.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:53 PM
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59. These quasi shit storms often seem to blow back into the Clinton camp.
She was exposed as having, um, fudged the facts on SCHIP and on the peace process in Ireland. That, of course, after bringing up experience in a nasty way. Bet she wishes she let that mess lie, eh?

I'm getting a kick out of this attempted clusterfuck which proves (1) Obama isn't a Muslim and (2) Obama is cool under pressure, does all the right things, and will prove once and for all he can take on the Clintons + MSM + GOP + McCain without breaking a sweat.

Good times.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:20 AM
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62. Only Rove is breakin' a sweat.
His Ghouliani vs Clinton GOP dream scenerio is goin' down the crapper. And Obama's got more political game in his little finger, than Rove's got in his manipulitive fat pos ass. :rofl:


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:30 AM
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63. What about her testimonial for Reverend Moon's UPF?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 12:32 AM by merh
Sun Myung Moon's Universal Peace Television web site has a video with testimonials for the Universal Peace Federation (UPF) from several prominent politicians and world leaders. The dignitaries are mostly foreign leaders: President Umaru Yar'Adua of Nigeria; President Pratibha Patil of India; President scar Arias of Costa Rica; Speaker of the Philippines House of Representatives, Jose de Venecia, Jr.; and former Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone. The video included one prominent American politician, Senator Hillary Clinton who is quoted as expressing the following sentiments: "I applaud the Universal Peace Federation's global networks of individuals and organizations committed to peace building through dialogue, education, and service." (hat tip to John Gorenfeld for the screen shot). Apparently, this quote was culled from the letter of support that Senator Clinton sent praising Moon's 2007 Universal Peace Federation Assembly (I reported on this last September).

See the screen cap at this site http://realsunmyungmoon.blogspot.com /

just thought I would throw it out there
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:46 AM
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64. Kick
:kick:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:39 PM
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68. Kick
:kick:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:05 AM
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70. kick
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:09 AM
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71. TIES TO NEW WORLD ORDER...now, where have I heard that before?
In 1944, Vereide had foreseen what he called the new world order. Upon the termination of the war there will be many men available to carry on, Vereide wrote in a letter to his wife. Now the ground-work must be laid and our leadership brought to face God in humility, prayer and obedience. He began organizing prayer meetings for delegates to the United Nations, at which he would instruct them in God's plan for rebuilding from the wreckage of the war. Donald Stone, a high-ranking administrator of the Marshall Plan, joined the directorship of Vereide's organization. In an undated letter, he wrote Vereide that he would soon begin a tour around the world for the , combining with this a spiritual mission. In 1946, Vereide, too, toured the world, traveling with letters of introduction from a half dozen senators and representatives, and from Paul G. Hoffman, the director of the Marshall Plan. He traveled also with a mandate from General John Hildring, assistant secretary of state, to oversee the creation of a list of good Germans of the predictable type (many of whom, Vereide believed, were being held for having the faintest connection with the Nazi regime), who could be released from prison to be used, according to their ability in the tremendous task of reconstruction. Vereide met with Jewish survivors and listened to their stories, but he nevertheless considered ex-Nazis well suited for the demands of strong government, so long as they were willing to worship Christ as they had Hitler.

-SNIP

http://harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

New World Order? Now where did I hear that before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:42 AM
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72. i read that mother jones article last year, not quite the same as...
a 20 year spiritual advisor who preaches what wright does his church. and do you see me blasting mother jones for publishing the article? no. it's out there, their welcome to talk about it, so is Bo, what do i care? she hasn't said a foul word about the whole incident. she's letting it take it's course. so would i. you're welcome to call me racist for it.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:44 AM
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73. thanks for the kick!
I thought this thread was archived already. :hi; ]

She's letting it take it's course. While her staff beats it like a dead horse.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:37 AM
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74. Stephanie,
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 02:38 AM by Tinksrival
Petreaus is on that "The Fellowship" video that came out about a year ago. I wish I could remember where I saw the clip. It was a documentary on religion (Christian Evangelical) in the upper levels of our Government and the military. It makes sense for HRC to praise Petreaus. They are both in "The Fellowship".
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