Burying your head in the sand on this pastor thing will not make it go away.

[loveangelc]

I have to say, I cannot believe that Obama supporters do NOT see this as a big deal. Covering your hears and saying "la la la" won't make it go away.

Whether or not you agree with the sentiments of the preacher, most Americans HATE people who blame September 11th on the U.S.

And now Obama supporters are actually saying other Obama supporters (such as myself) are "Hillbots" because we're posting something about this pastor and the fact that it may be a problem and for raising it as an issue.

Obama of course does NOT believe in what this preacher is saying, but that won't matter to many people, and Obama should really start thinking of ways to deal with this problem because if it doesnt blow up now, it's going to blow up later.

I don't remember the Willie Horton ads, but I've seen them and know that they made an impact in the from the 1980s.

And though I believe Obama will get the nomination, I'm not sure we should be saying the race is "over."

Also, Hillary is not responsible for his pastor saying America got what was coming to it on 9/11, so some of you are really over the top in saying she's responsible for this imo. Yes, a lot of her supporters are pushing it now, as expected, but I really don't believe she is...

[thevoiceofreason]

1. You used to be an Obama supporter

For the last 2 weeks, you and a few others have jumped the channel. Was there an event that caused you to decide to support Hillary?

[loveangelc]

4. I do not support Hillary.

For the last 2 weeks? Do you have any fucking example whatsoever of that? This is the first time I've even come close to criticizing anything surrounding him.

If you're going to say something, please do not pull something out of nowhere with me.

[LakeSamish706]

9. So let me guess, you want a McCain Presidency then?.. duh..Fuck... n/t

[loveangelc]

15. I guess you're pulling things out of your ass now?

the point isn't that this obama is a bad man now, it's that the republicans are going to use this, and obama needs to be ready for it because I see it as potentially damaging later on...

[thevoiceofreason]

23. I was out of line

I apologize.

To answer your question, there are a lot of tactics and approaches that can be used. I would feel confident that the campaign indeed is on top of this issue (his campaign has only rarely suffered a fit of myopia) and that the response will be careful and well-considered.

Again, sorry.

[loveangelc]

62. it's ok

[thevoiceofreason]

12. Guilt does generate vitriol

Don't worry about me

[Metric System]

31. You're either completely with ObamaNation, or you're agains them. They don't even see how similar

they're behaving to the Bushbots.

[angie_love]

38. and when have you ever criticized Hillary? oh thats right never. That makes you a hillbot. and you'

are no better.

[ThatBozGuy]

103. Mr Wright out of context is definitely incindiary, But someone is going to go to the source and ....

Let this man speak and you are going to find it difficult for many to continue with this made up "scandal".

Many of you do not have a context on this man, you have facts you repeat, you have clowning you see in the videos, but once he voices the context this will completely Kaiser Soze out from under people.

[Bake]

125. Obamites start eating their own.

You've been a very vocal supporter of Obama, and I have often disagreed with you (respectfully, I hope, but I've probably said some things that were over the line at time or two ...). At least you're being a voice of reason.

Now they're calling you a Hillbot.

Unbelievable.

Peace,
Bake

[angie_love]

36. She is and always was an Obama supporter like me. However its not realistic to think this is not

going to hurt. And Obama needs to deal with it. We say it b/c we care and want him to be president. Not go down in flames like Kerry did, and remember Kerry went down based on lies. GOP don't even need lies this time around they have a kook they can play around with.

[loveangelc]

44. thank you :)

[jlake]

71. loveangelc is an Obama supporter -- a genuine Obama supporter who is

down to earth and realizes how damaging the pastor will be to Obama.
She is speaking the truth -- and if anyone thinks this issue is NOT a major deal that will DESTROY Obama's campaign if he doesn't deal with..... that person hasn't been politically aware - ever.

[rodeodance]

79. yes that poster is. but she is wise about this issue.

[jlake]

80. Yes - and anyone who truly supports Obama should follow her lead --

otherwise he won't win.

[rodeodance]

81. ...........

i did not say i want him to win. lets not go that far. te he.

[loveangelc]

95. thank you. I just feel as if things like this will turn an election in the GE if it becomes an issue

i dont think it will effect the race now, but I think it will if republicans use it.

[loveangelc]

94. thank you jlake :)

[Jamastiene]

98. Why can't they all be like the OP in this case.

Things never would have turned so ugly if the rest were more like her. We could have actually had conversations instead of shouting matches this primary season. *Jama laments, nothing to see here, moving right along*

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Soooo, you believe that America's foreign policy had nothing to do with 9/11

Come on now.

[angie_love]

41. Wolsh, you're asking the average american to actually think and use their brain.

Most americans don't have a brain. So yes, this will hurt.

[bhikkhu]

61. I am not much on "belief", but these days I have been asked

to believe that Obama cannot be elected because the country is racist, and now that Wright's statements will finish him because the country is not very bright.

Obama is where he is because he has good judgment and a good head for politics and is good at articulating his positions. I believe his positions are sound, and I believe he can articulate the sense of his positions well enough that the average American will use their brain, and will be satisfied.

[MojoMojoMojo]

101. The average American will be filled with hatred as soon as they hear "God Damn America"

[rodeodance]

82. i would not go about insult the 'average american'--these are hard working folks. please do not go

that route.

[angie_love]

136. I'm entitled to my opinion, the truth hurts but its true.

[C_U_L8R]

3. Now why don't you make a nice structured argument

how exactly a dotty old pastor demonized by Hillary supporters
endangers and infects the Obama presidency?

The uggabugga just isn't working.

[Bluenorthwest]

118. Spin won't work

The OP is giving you a real thing to think about.
Rev Wright is not 'a dotty old pastor' he is central to Obama's development, Obama has called him his mentor, has attened his church for 20 years, dedicated books to him, and took the title to one directly from a Wright sermon. Wright has headed this church for decades, it has over 8000 members. Wright is a famous man. And he's not dotty nor old.
Obama backers did this same thing with McClurkin, insisted 'Donnie's just a singer coming to sing one song.' when in fact Donnie is a famous leader of the ex-gay movement, a Fundamentalist preacher who leads a church, has written books, and is best known to the average American for his anti-gay rhetoric and his apperances with GW Bush, most famously at the GOP 2004 Convention. Donnie was invited to host Obama's events, as the MC and only speaker. Donnie preached against gay people by name for half and hour. No apology from Obama nor Donnie. And yet many Obama boosters still say 'he just sang a song, guilt by association'.
The lack of honesty will sink this campaign. I've been saying it since autum, and instead of listening, Obama supporters just shout it down. Pretending the facts and characters are not what they are is dishonest, and an insult to everyone involved. Millions are still pissed at him over McClurkin, and that is Obama's problem. With all of those votes he traded for Donnie, he would already be the nominee.
And for your information, I am not a Hillary supporter. I'll vote for her, just like I will for your basher, under duress, against McCain.

[tekisui]

5. Preachers talk. That's what they're paid to do.

If Obama is the tactical and able politician he has proven himself to be, thus far, he will glide through this, as well.

This will be over in a news cycle, or it won't. It's up to the Obama campaign. But, don't you think they know what this guy says? And, don't you think they are well prepared for it? This is really no surprise, and it's been out there for a while.

[Cha]

32. We'll have to mark

this date and see how long and far the Pastor Wright Redux goes.

[tekisui]

34. .

:thumbsup:

bookmarking...

[Cha]

42. Me too n/t

[MojoMojoMojo]

99. It might die down ,but you have to understand this will be the swiftboat

video.This is poison to Obama he is completely vulnerable.He is no longer viable as a candidate."God Damn America" literally cannot be defended against.My dad who is the kindest gentlest WWII veteran Ive ever known ,would have a heart attack if he heard that phrase.
And hes a member of the same liberal church denomination as Obama.United Church of Christ
To nominate Obama is to elect a Republican for 8 more years.
I dislike Obama only because he lies about his campaign financing.
You choose to support him knowing that he lies.
But eventually a liar will be caught up and we have reached that point.
I only wish Obama supporters had the ethics to not support him for lying about his financing, which IMO is the most important issue in American politics.
Hillary is not much better ,but at least she doesnt misrepresent herself.

[rodeodance]

106. We do know about her financing of her campaign--but

despite that I--support her because of her strong policies that will help America. We--and i think i can say we here--know her faults. America knows her faults--the RW and others have spoken of them you decades.
Obama says he is the outsider, but slowly we learn he is not.



Hillary is not much better ,but at least she doesnt misrepresent herself.

[Binka]

130. Gee Thanks For Your CONCERN

Tell Hill to release her tax returns. Your post is ignorant and verging on illiterate. Transparent as glass.

[Nitrogenica]

6. Bill cheating on Hillary in the WHite House while President was a big deal.

[goldcanyonaz]

65. ............

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

73. You are the ostrich that the OP was refering to---your head is in the SAND

Bill cheating on Hillary in the WHite House while President was a big deal.

[MojoMojoMojo]

100. Blowjobs fr0om interns is American,Saying "God Damn America" is unelectable and is unAmerican

You may as well use that flag in your moniker as toilet paper.
That would have the same affect .

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Clinton And McCain Actively Aided A Lunatic That Killed Millions,

including thousands of Americans, for zero reason.

I'm not sure how I - or many others - will see this fellows stuff as anywhere in the same league. I sure hope not.

[LakeSamish706]

8. You gotta be kidding me... Compared to the Clinton shit Obama is a complete...

saint... Why don't you spend some time dicking up the dirt on Hillary and report back to us the difference between the two.....

[loveangelc]

13. I know that, but that doesn't mean it's NOT A PROBLEM.

IT WILL BE A PROBLEM AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS????

[LakeSamish706]

14. Bullshit, unless you want a McCain presidency get a fucking grip... n/t

[loveangelc]

26. you get a fucking grip ok? your belief that it won't matter is probably the same thinkiing that

made Kerry lose in 04 and not respond to the swiftboat thing, thinking it wouldn't matter. Anyone who watched the thing could see it would matter, but people thought it wouldn't matter then, and it did.

Do you have any evidence I want a president mccain? I want Pres. Mccain because Im saying whats going on potentially effect the race for him and I want him to do something to distance himself from it more than he's done? Ok.....

[LakeSamish706]

29. No, its people like you that don't stand a chance against the Republican machine...

The Democratic party needs to be unified and learn how to fight like a "scum sucking" Republican... If this doesn't happen soon, then you bet your ass McCain will be the next President of the US and lead this world to a final close with not only 100 more years of Iraq, but a probable war with Iran... Like I said, I don't know who you support, but I do know that my candidate is not a Hillary Clinton....

[loveangelc]

40. Actually, people like you who do that.

How is this NOT being unified? I have to go along and pretend everything is ok in the Obama campaign to be completely unified? The fact is I am saying this is something that could potentially hurt him, and Obama supporters and Democrats like yourself who prefer putting their head in the sand and pretending like Republicans won't use this against him are the people who lose elections. I am bringing up the topic, saying he needs to address this because I support him, not because I don't...

[jackson_dem]

48. Do you see now why some folks compare Obama's supporters to cult members?

[usrbs]

115. But you can't apply that label to everyone.

[tmoore411]

85. SO let me get this straight

Obama supporters are howling left and right that Hillary is fighting like a Repub in this nomination campaign and that's BAD. But we have to all learn to fight like a Repub to win the GE and that's good.

MMMMMM.....I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. :SARCASM:

[rodeodance]

107. BO is now starting to vetted. stop with the fear card.

[emilyg]

74. It is a problem.

CNN had it as a lead story tonight.

[BenDavid]

10. the media should ask obama why if he disagreed with this man

whom he called his mentor why did he stay with this church for 20 years. wright married em. wright baptized his children and obama still attended this church with this person......This story will not go away......

a campaign can turn on a dime and this will spin spin.....

[Rex_Goodheart]

11. What I'm most disappointed in is the fact

that Obama, whom I considered intelligent, chose to call an obviously stupid jackass his "mentor". What kind of judgment does that represent? It's not pretty. It's shocking.

[Moochy]

28. Your concern is noted

I'll put your name on a special list

[leftofcool]

16. I think he is spot on about 9/11

It is other things that concern me. His hated for white people. His claim that America is responsible for giving the AIDS virus to Black people. NO, it isn't going away.

[ProSense]

17. Leading black clergy group backing Obama

Leading black clergy group backing Obama

[InsultComicDog]

dupe (sorry)

[InsultComicDog]

18. Sadly I agree

He has to respond swiftly and effectively because this will continue to dog him.

Of course, it was always going to be something, once the GOP started hurling shit.

[Honeycombe8]

21. The GOP will sit on this thing for awhile, and then they'll swiftboat him.

And the ads will be doozies. This preacherman is killer stuff. Hell, they wouldn't have to even make stuff up...it's all right there, and it's real!

[bhikkhu]

55. McCain has his own preacher problems - he won't capitalize

He has some of the necessary connections with holy-war types and Left Behinders that would make your hair curl if you heard their beliefs. Unfortunately, that seems to be the job of preachers in this country. Hillary herself is supposedly involved with The Fellowship, which sounds like a Christian Skull and Bones sort of operation. This sort of thing is good for a quick-hit smear job, and that's about it. A good explanation and it is done.

[Honeycombe8]

138. No, I don't think so. Obama is winning because he's not Sharpton-like.

The preacherman is Sharpton on steroids. He's the stereotypical angry Af. American that hates whites that many whites picture as dangerous.

It is serious that Obama has a long-term relationship with such a person, considers him a role model, and had him involved in his campaign.

I'd say it'd blow over, if he were just an acquaintance, or if he were JUST a pastor at Obama's church. But they are much more than that.

The video of an angry Af. American man shouting, "GOD DAMN AMERICA!" - Obama's long-term friend, role model and advisor in his campaign - will do a lot of damage.

[Honeycombe8]

19. Oddly enuf, some Obama supporters even think that AGREEING w/preacherman...

is the way to go on this thing. Unbelievable.

I will wait for a few days for an explanation from Obama. If it isn't forthcoming, I will reconsider withdrawing my support.

I wouldn't vote for a white person who attended a church for 20 years with a loudmouth, yelling preacherman whose MAIN focus is ranting against "black people" causing white people problems.

And I wouldn't vote for a black person who attended a church for 20 years with the same kind of preacherman who does the same thing against white people.

I'm not feelin' the love and the kumbaya, here.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Personally, I'd prefer to vote for someone who does something sensible with their Sunday Mornings-

like sleeping in, or watching cartoons.

Frankly, the people who are exceptionally hung up on what church the candidate goes to are generally voting for the Republican, anyway. I'm a little more worried about fixing our nation's problems. This is more meaningless gibberish, like the flag pin.

I think you vastly overestimate the numbers of people who honestly give a shit.

[angie_love]

54. Aren't you the little fairweather Obama supporter

[Honeycombe8]

137. I don't vote for people who hang with people who hate me. I'm funny that way.

If he doesn't have a good excuse for supporting the hatemongering preacherman, you'll see how many others are funny that way, too.

[oasis]

113. I now see what kind of hold Wright has on Obama. He's mesmerizing a few DU members

as well. The Kool-Aid is flowing like a mighty stream.:beer::beer::beer:

[NastyRiffraff]

20. Well, you tried...

And good for you. The result, of course, was predictable. You've been accused of supporting Hillary. Ånd of course, there's the usual changing the subject...the covering of ears.

You know, I don't even like Obama, but if he DOES win the nomination I want him to win the presidency. This doesn't bode well. By the time the media and the Republicans are done with this, it'll make swiftboating look like a love feast.

[Abacus]

22. I read the quote you posted earlier

and it didn't sound anything like blame to me. It sounded like an evaluation of cause and effect -- not much different than I've heard elsewhere and discussed on my own. There was a lot of talk of prior foreign policy after 9/11.

[usrbs]

117. What about the AIDs "explanation" by Wright?

[Abacus]

119. ?

I haven't seen it, can you provide me a link or a quote? I've been intentionally trying to avoid the pastor discussions because I don't care about any of the candidates personal religious preferences as long as the preferences will not interfere with policy -- at least to the extent that "God told me to invade Iraq". I'm sure it is somehow inflammatory and offensive, but I don't see Wright's personal views being relevant to the presidential nomination. I understand that Clinton supporters will feel the need to make these views campaign issues and I can't blame them for trying. Honestly, the fact that this is the worst stuff that can be dug up about Obama only makes me feel better about his chances in the GE.

[usrbs]

126. Here's the link, and the quote

Obama and the Minister
By RONALD KESSLER
March 14, 2008; Page A19

In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.

http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB120545277093135111.html


We do train professional killers, but I don't think we invented AIDs.

I knew about this before and it was one of the factors to finally choose Clinton, NOT my first choice, and I've used it to convince others. But I never went deep into it, and had no idea how crazy this guy was, just that he was a supporter of Farrakhan. Given that Obama is probably going to be our nominee, I am not happy about it coming out now. It would have been far better if it had been earlier, or never at all.

[MediaBabe]

127. Not Clinton supporters - Republicans

It's not Clinton supporters you need to worry about. It's middle America, the Republicans who will be appalled at the "God Damn America."

Sweep it under the rug if you like, they won't. Pretend it's biased, bigoted Democrats who are your worst enemy but don't think for a minute that Clinton is going to be the one Swiftboating Obama over this. Talk radio will gnaw and chew on this ceaselessly. The videos and audios will be emailed around the world a dozen times over.

It's a long time until November. Democrats will move on but behind the scenes Republicans will not. You may not get the email or the push calls but middle America will.

[LakeSamish706]

24. If you want to begin comparing Obama, Clinton and McCain... Sorry, but Obama is ...

a saint in any and all of the comparisons.... Not sure which candidate you are supporting, but you are way over the top on this...

[MojoMojoMojo]

104. A saint who is an" America Hater"

"God Damn America" is a lot more powerful statement than you realize,

[butterfly77]

131. When did Obama say he hated America?

[scheming daemons]

25. loveangelc... I'm your biggest fan........but...

Have a little faith in your candidate.

Obama has handled every issue magnificently, and he'll handle this one as well.



By the way... you're still gorgeous. ;-)

[loveangelc]

33. Thank you. And I do have faith in my candidate, I guess I am just somewhat surprised

that he'd even be going to this man's church. I know he doesn't agree with the things he's saying. I hope he does something to squash it so it doesn't come up later. I'm sure he'll be asked about this in the debates coming up.

[scheming daemons]

57. He'll answer it in the "friday news dump" tomorrow... and by Monday this will be like the ...

"handshake snub" story.


Relax.

[loveangelc]

58. I am relaxed. All that I'm saying is that it may not be a story for a while but it'll be back later.

[TwilightGardener]

27. I just don't see it resonating as an issue. Most people realize

the difference between Obama's pastor and Obama. I doubt anyone is going to hold him responsible for this man's rantings, which Obama already said he does not agree with. Besides, most Americans are afraid of terrorism and war and losing their homes and not having health insurance--angry rabble-rousing black preachers rank pretty low on the fright scale.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

134. Certainly fair-minded people. I do think Obama needs to address the issue so we can all move on.

[grantcart]

30. Bring it on talk about show the video

nothing disinfects better than sunshine

It is a minor league story in a major league game. Get it out of the system now.

A sermon made by a pastor 5 years ago - the pastor now retired - that contains tough language.

Obama said he doesn't agree with everything this guy says.

Next story please

[Drunken Irishman]

53. The thing is, no one is really talking about it.

It's not getting near the play Ferraro's comments were getting this week. It's not as big as the whole NAFTA blowup or the Powers comments calling Hillary a monster. NO ONE is running with it, so why make it an issue? Why get up in front of everyone and defuse a non-story to the point where it BRINGS it to people's attention?

[emilyg]

75. CNN did.

[Drunken Irishman]

84. CNN has barely touched it and it's not dominating the news at all.

Face it, this has zero legs.

[leftynyc]

124. Top political story on

every newscast I've seen since last night.

[Catherine Vincent]

35. An Obama supporter called you a Hillbot?

That's fucked up.

[Umbram]

37. I couldn't agree more. nt.

[boppers]

39. So, what are we supposed to "do" about it?

Obama's said his piece, and republicans (and others, *cough*) *still* try to associate him with Farrakhan. Repeatedly asking and answering the same questions (as if they were new) isn't moving forward, it's spinning around.

[zulchzulu]

43. Is Obama's pastor running for President? I didn't get the memo...

WHY THE FUCK does it matter what Obama's pastor says? Is that where people want this campaign to go? Are people that FUCKING STUPID?

Don't answer. They are.

ON EDIT:

Perhaps you've been to a church where a pastor comes in and baptizes your kids. Perhaps you've attended masses where your pastor does the sermon. Perhaps he or she even presided over your wedding.

Great!

So does everything the pastor does and everything the pastor says fully your opinions and your convictions? If your pastor goes to a pro-life rally in Washington DC and speaks out against abortion, are you then pro-life? If your pastor is a child molester, are you? If your pastor speaks out against gay marriage, are you against gay marriage?

The whole "issue" and "argument" is fully a desperate and ultimately futile antic.

[loveangelc]

47. I know you said not to answer...but like you said, they are.

[LakeSamish706]

45. loveangelc, look I'm sorry and I am not trying to pick a fight with you.... but..

I believe that Obama has his act together much more than any of the other candidates in this race and I believe that he will be our next President. I seriously apologize if I came on to strong with you, but I think Barack is the man and can do it.....
My only goal right now is seeing that someone with a very positive degree of reasoning is going to be in the WH.

[loveangelc]

66. maybe I am making this a bigger deal than need be. we'll see I guess..

[bhikkhu]

49. 911 is not a matter of blame, it is a matter of cause and effect

If you listen to Wright's sermon, he is actually pretty correct.

[Drunken Irishman]

50. loveangelcl, I don't get you.

What the hell do you want Obama to do? He already said he didn't agree with his pastor in January and said the same thing a few weeks ago. This is a NON-STORY. It is not getting any air time on the major networks and is being played up here as crushing blow for the Obama campaign. Well go type "OBAMA" in news.yahoo.com and check the results, nothing on Wright. Go watch MSNBC, CNN and even FOX and you barely here anything mentioned about it. So what the fuck do you think Obama should do? Call a press conference and make this an even bigger issue than it is?

Why have him borrow trouble on an issue that has not had legs this entire year?

[loveangelc]

56. It was the top story on almost every fox news show

it was on CNN and was the lead story on Anderson Cooper's show.

It's only breaking today, it will get more traction tomorrow possibly, and will definitely resurface IN A BIG WAY when republicans use this against him.

do not fool yourself into thinking they won't push this.

I have an idea about what Obama should do but I won't say, ppl's heads may explode.

[Drunken Irishman]

60. Oh please.

CNN barely mentioned it and when they did it was not even that bad. Nothing on MSNBC and even FOX isn't playing it up nearly as they were last night. This issue has been out for over 24 hours now and NO ONE is biting. Not one. Is there a chance it blows up tomorrow? Sure, but there is also a big chance nothing comes of it.

The fact this story had been out since last night (let's be honest, since January) and nothing was really mentioned today shows me we probably won't get near the dust up like we saw with Ferraro's comments or the NAFTA thing.

But Obama has done all he can do to defuse this. He's distanced himself from those comments and I don't think there is much he can do outside of killing the man himself. I assure you, it is not as big of an issue as some here on DU is making it out to be.

[LakeSamish706]

63. Sorry, but why on earth would anyone give a rats ass about...

"It was the top story on almost every fox news show" ? I cancel my apology in a previous post without some clarification on the Fox thing....

[Drunken Irishman]

64. Even I watched FOX News today and there wasn't much mentioned.

[loveangelc]

67. um...I'm not going to give you shit, I could care less about your apology...

[FVZA_Colonel]

68. I agree it is an issue, but at the same time hasn't Obama already said

he didn't agree with his pastor on these issues (I believe a couple of instances were already cited in this thread)? It's likely he'll have to do it again, but I do not believe it would be the first time, which could work to his advantage.

[butterfly77]

132. Are you new to politics?

When I was supporting Hillary I said all of these things and Obama supporters fought me all the way and said they could handle anything.

I don't see why you are surprised, they will be a lot more coming if he is the nominee and if anyone says they are supporting him should stick with him and fight as they fought me and others. I knew about his pastor when I was supporting Hillary but, that had nothing to do with me choosing him as the candidate or not.

[jackson_dem]

51. The OP is one of the biggest Obamites here

Yet even she is attacked by Obamanation for letting reality interfere with what Obamites want to believe. This is similar to a _____....

[FVZA_Colonel]

69. Self-Delete.

Never Mind.

[tabasco]

52. And nine thousand posts on DU will not make it a biggie, either.

Still waiting for Hillary's tax returns and White House records.

[Mooney]

59. No, but waiting a couple of days will. n/t

[jackson_dem]

70. The damage will be done. Ask the Clintons about when they were swiftboated on race

[rodeodance]

72. my gawd loveangelc---aren't you a sweetie--and thank you for being honest.

[emilyg]

76. She's an honest person.

One of my favorite Obama supporters.

[rodeodance]

78. well......

I have had my run-ins with the poster. and if she reads this she will agree.
but glad she posted it.

[johnnydrama]

77. it's still old news

How many sermons has the guy given in 20 years. If Fox wants to keep finding stuff they think is bad and airing it, Obama can't respond every time. He responded before. Maybe he'll respond again. But there's nothing he can do about it every time it comes up.

Fox will be Fox. It's up to the other news organizations to at least show that Obama has said he doesn't agree with him when they air the tapes.

It won't be a big deal against McCain because McCain's pastor friends think Catholics are evil, and think all muslims should be murdered.

[rodeodance]

90. have you seen the news press?--nytimes. abc. cnn

[Gore1FL]

83. I know crazy people

Some have valuable things to sa, and often mix invaluable things with them.

I am not to blame for the invaluable things. Why would Obama be responsible for things people he knows say?

[meow mix]

86. its a non-issue.. i like pastor gate.

i hope it stays forever

[cottonseed]

87. Yes, Obama and his campaign need to deal with this.

But you've got to get a grip on yourself. I don't understand what your multiple posts here is supposed to accomplish. I think people get your point. This is DU : GDP not a group of Obama advisers. If he handles it well, he gets through to the nomination and the presidency. If not, then we've got some issues to work out as a country.

[Hoof Hearted]

88. As an HRC supporter, I want to see him deal with this FORCEFULLY now, because IF he is

the nominee by God I want it put to bed now or it will have wings until November that the Swifties only DREAMED of.

loveangelc, my respect has just INSTANTLY grown for you by leaps and bounds.

This is exactly the kind of issue that kills a campaign DEAD without having to be brought out in October. It's on tape, the can run it for months, put it in commercials, talk about it 3 times a week on every show there is, etc.

Obama must do more than make a statement, he MUST hit this hard from every creative direction his staff can come up with. I would go a bit further and hire an outside outfit just to make sure all the t's are crossed and the I's dotted.

HEY.

I may REALLY want Hillary to win, but I REALLY - REALLY don't want McCain to win.

[FVZA_Colonel]

93. I agree with everything you have said, the logic is sound. That being said,

I can't help but feel that this issue might come up again when the next inflammatory sermon is found, and Obama will have to go through distancing himself again.

I suppose I just want some means by which he could lay the issue of what sermons his pastor gave (over which it's reasonable to assume he had no control) to rest once and for all, and not have to worry about it's monthly reappearance.

[stevenleser]

89. Its worse than that, its his barber and pool guy now too...

... Obama has much to answer for, there are also indications that his cat is cantankerous and his dog has ties to Afghan terrorists and heroin dealers. I have links! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5071326

[CitizenLeft]

91. the problem with the Willie Horton ad is that Dukakis...

...took too long addressing it, and didn't address it strongly enough. He mistakenly thought that people would dismiss it for what it was: race-baiting, and aimed at the lowest mentality in America, people who'd never vote for him anyway. He was wrong. The fact that he didn't address it, I think, made him look weak... pair that with the disastrous "tank" photo, and you have George Herbert back in the WH as prez.

[madrchsod]

92. he already has

and the church has a new pastor. i`m not sure what else he is supposed to do....

[McCamy Taylor]

96. Yes it will. Refuse to play Rove's bullshit games! This is a CREEPy dirty trick

straight out of 1972. The Dems should not let themselves get manipulated. The same people in the press who distorted Hillary's words about LBJ and her 3 am ad are now doing this---they want us to lose this fall.

Just say no!

[mythyc]

97. I was kind of blown away by accusations against this OP

in every single post I've seen of hers she's been not only a staunch but also a dignified supporter of Barack. If one can't post worries, concerns, commentary on their own without reprisal, that's a sign that enthusiasm is turning into fanaticism, and needs to be checked. that said, I share her worries about this issue, and moreover have already gone on record to say that I have others besides about him. not enough to lessen my support and belief in the integrity of the man, but warranted as the conscientious circumspection we should all as responsible citizens give both those whom we advocate and doubly to ourselves. I've written elsewhere, for example, that I'm not altogether comfortable with Obama's energy policy (and nuclear industry connections to it), or the vagueness of some of his assessments of the very complex political situation in Iraq for that matter. But while each candidate has his or her positions etc that I may not fully support or sanction, he's earned my trust most as a candidate of the poise and sound judgment I see as the essential character qualities of a good president. This after almost a year of following him and the other candidates, and exercising the parameters and capacities of the benefit of the doubt. Remember Descartes' maxim, that all true knowledge begins with doubt.

thanks for posting loveangelic....(and thanks to those who reconsidered their own doubts about her loyalties and her right to assess the issues affecting this race).

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[dcindian]

102. growing up and understanding a person is judged on what he does.

And not what his mailman, dog catcher, mayor, pastor, second cousin does and will.


If you go down this Slippery slop Hillary will lose again. She has a religion too and all Christian religions are intolerant and spiteful. Each every single one of them belittles the views of other peoples and their religions.

Ever single one.....


PS this just in...... Christianity is not progressive as practiced in it's current form

[MojoMojoMojo]

105. "God Damn America" is about more than a critique of religion

[sniffa]

108. I don't think you're a Hillbot

just young, and apparently tepid. And I'm not sure - is this your second thread on this, or did you edit your original?

[xmas74]

109. I was at a meeting yesterday

and talked turned to this. Normally I don't discuss politics outside of certain circles (it causes fights and I have a child to think about-in other words, I don't want to ruin her chances at a decent social life in a small town) but I was curious about what others thought.

A woman at the meeting was a heavy Obama supporter from the beginning. Yesterday she stated that, after seeing that video, she could no longer support him. Another supporter stated that her husband and his friends were having fits over this and weren't sure if they wanted him "in the White House". The Republicans in the group spun this like crazy. (Really-one of the women I tend to clash with the most spun her head back and forth so much I thought she would turn into Linda Blair in The Exorcist. I really don't like this woman, just for the record.)

Anyway, small military town speaking up. The meeting was a simple committee meeting for my daughter's school, so you tend to have a wide range of views. The Obama supporters there were very upset by this video.

I am a Hillary supporter and I'm not here trying to change any minds. I'm just telling what I saw and it wasn't good. I have a meeting for another club pertaining to my child today. (Once again, it'll be a wide range of views and this one, I've noticed, tends to turn to political discussions every single time.) If it's discussed there I'll post what is said.

[LostinVA]

110. It sucks trying to make a point and not being allowed to, huh?

Because of your avatar, etc. You yourself have done it to me in the past -- it's why I don't reply to your posts anymore. Because I don't think I can.

I am sincerely not snarking on you, LA, I promise. I'm glad you posted this, because I think it REALLY spotlights how impossible intelligent discourse has fallen in GDP. You are a 100% rabid BHO supporter, from Day One, and yet you're attacked on here, quite harshly, because of just trying to work this issue out with yourself among people you feel some sort of bond with. You've been treated too harshly by some, and their remarks should be deleted. Several of my "DU best buds" are on "the other side," and we respect one another and can tease one another about all of this. It's a level of respect I wish everyone on here had.

I think everyone can agree that we don't want McCain in the White House. This situation will not play well to certain DEms (as Xmas74's post shows). This needs to be neutralized ASAP, no matter who the nom turns out to be, and at this point, it'll probably be Obama. You're right: sticking your head into sand will not make it go away. So, what to do?

I AM old enough to remember the Willie Horton ads. And, they destroyed Dukakis.

Good luck with figuring this out, and ignore the "supporters" who attack you. They have no respect. Just consider it a learning experience and remember it. Again -- good luck.

[uponit7771]

111. Calling it more than it is wont make it stay either. Someones "pastor" or long time friend can be...

...disagreed with.

[oasis]

112. Obama's spiritual leader,Rev. Wright, idolizes Farrakan, blames 9/11 on U.S.

and demonizes Hillary Clinton for being white.

Obama is toast.

[stevenleser]

114. McCain has come out and said that this is an inappropriate line of attack on Obama

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/14/75418/1294

As I said in another thread, it is sad when a Republican has to lecture Democrats on inappropriate politics of personal destruction.

[uponit7771]

121. They'll act like they don't know who McCain is now

[PVnRT]

116. Who is putting their heads in the sand?

I've seen plenty of responses explaining how to minimize this whole thing, but few (if any) are saying "eh, just ignore, let's move on."

[fbuzz]

120. Obamaniacs, Are Going To Get A Big Wake Up Call From This Country

It ain't going to be pretty.

They are the new ditto-head George Bush club.

[WonderGrunion]

122. New revelations about Rev Wright

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5074561

This will be the end of Obama. :sarcasm:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

123. It is all over the all of MSM almost none stop today....Obama can not beat McCain in the GE

[DUyellow]

133. well, i gues McCain will be our next president, because Obama is going to be the Dem Nom.

[easy_b94]

128. Please Bury your head in the sand and don't come up for air ;)

[butterfly77]

129. So I guess that leave me no other choice..

I must vote for Hillary or McCain...

[calico1]

135. You tried.

You are among those who realize that it isn't just diehard, well informed Democrats that Obama needs to win the election.

The fact is a whole lot of people in this country are very ill informed and base most of their opinions on snippets, blurbs, rumors and of course talking heads, stupid chain e-mails, etc.

And anyone who says this is old news so who cares? What about the picture that was circulated of John Kerry attending a speech where jane Fonda was speaking? Remember what they did with that? And Vietnam was so long ago, yet the GOP successfully used it against him.

It isn't Progressives that we need to worry about. It's the OTHER people, many of which Obama needs to win that we need to worry about.

Even if the media stops running this news, do you think the GOP isn't going to use this in their ads during the GE campaign?

The OP is correct. It's too bad that the best some of you can come up with is to dismiss her as a "Hillbot" or McCain supporter.