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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:18 PM
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Barack Obama needs to deal with the Rev. Wright issue.
That dude is crazy, and his comments will hurt Obama in the GE unless he confronts the issue and distances himself from the man. He has to do it. Ignoring it won't fly- millions of undecided American voters who just love soundbytes will hear what the man said and quickly will think: "This black dude Obama has no loyalty to America- he refuses to wear the flag pin, might be a Muslim, and his pastor is a black extremist."

It's a serious issue, and it won't go away by ignoring it. Barack needs to confront this, period. In fact, I hope he talks with Fox News and everyone about it. Let people know he's dissapointed with the guy and that in no way those comments reflect what he has expected from his church.

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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:19 PM
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1. how many threads do we need?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:19 PM
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2. He's no different than any other religious believer,
or any other passionate preacher.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:20 PM
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3. No, but Obama is not a typical presidential candidate. He's black with a funny name.
and the average American voter is not as smart as we DUers are.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:25 PM
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13. These knee whackers just keep coming in like the tide.
All I have to do is prop my feet up and wait for the b-ig cluster bomb.

Believe me, it will happen. Double talker obama is dirty up to eyeballs and it will come out.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:31 PM
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30. Did you say: Justice Is Comin?
Thats what I thought you said. Obama has been listening to this pompous idiot for 20 years. He'll never change, because he believes the BS he's been listening-to from this crack-pot minister for the last 1,040 Sundays in a row.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:22 PM
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5. They all talk about suffering under control of rich white folks? I must go to the wrong churches.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:23 PM
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9. They all talk.
They all base their "understanding" in intangibles. Preachers run their mouths, and they get paid well to do it.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:28 PM
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19. Ok on that. But this guy is NOT helping Obama, just the opposite. It IS real now.
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 10:29 PM by jmg257
It has legs, and it is getting more and more air time.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:29 PM
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26. Not to worry.
It will all pass in the next news cycle. Better now than in October.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:33 PM
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33. Ok - on that too! Thanks! :)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:25 PM
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12. MOST preachers and religious believers don't give sermons like that
Middle America is going to have major problems with those sermons.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:27 PM
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This, too, will pass.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:27 PM
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17. Yep -
And it sure fucks with Obama's unity theme.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:28 PM
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20. Most try to heal souls and encourage people to have tolerance.
This is what Obama has in his head and he talks uniting?
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:51 PM
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77. "Most" preachers are quite conservative
and instead of denouncing an illegal and immoral war in Iraq, they will pray for the troops.

They don't dare make any sort of statement which might be construed as being against a war.

Get over it. I don't have any problem with that preacher who may use swear words. It's not like there really is a god or anything like that. Christianity is essentially an invented religion, Christ is a mythical invention and he's not even recognized as a deity in Judaism.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:29 PM
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25. I have never seen a preacher humping air before in a sermon
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:35 PM
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38. I can't believe Obama brings his girls to a place like that.
Hate speech, swearing, damning America, sexual motions........sick, fucking sick.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:58 PM
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65. "most"...interesting...
what denominations are you talking about there? And how many of these churches have you visited? Can you get me a video of Hillary Clinton's pastor preaching about extra-marital affairs, abortion, gay rights, etc.?
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:38 PM
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44. swearing, damning america, sexual motions, hate speech......
You are wrong, Wright and his church are very different from other religious believers.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:47 PM
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59. Difference of degree.
Obama is not Wright. Wright is not Obama.

I really don't give a shit what someone says in their church. I base my vote on the candidate, their votes, their platform and their ability.

This will blow over.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:59 AM
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94. This is beyond a wake-up call ...this is the end for Barack /nt
How many parents would feel comfortable showing these videos to their children? Not many, is my guess.

No rejection, no denouncement, no amount of spin can untether Obama's 23 year old close relationship with a purveyor of unabashed vitriol, white hate, and sexism.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:21 PM
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4. Looky here
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:34 PM
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36. No Looky and Listen here..
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:05 PM
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67. I already saw that.
But thanks anyways!

:hi:
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:23 PM
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6. Yep. If he doesn't, it's over. I'm telling you now, it is over. I'm an Obamamama, but this guy
is too much. If Obama doesn't come up with a good explanation (like the preacher man saved his mother's life, so he attended that wacko's church out of a sense of duty), then I think it is strong enough to kill his chances for the nomination AND the GE.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:32 PM
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32. Naw
Everyone who has been paying attention knows about this already. LOL! It's just the Clinton/Faux/Limpballs "leaky faucet" strategery in overdrive. Hillary won't win anyway. She's toasted. Obama is the best shot!
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:38 PM
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45. Yes, I knew about him. But seeing the video and hearing the hatemongering words...
against people like ME are something else entirely. I am white and not poor. Do you think I'm going to vote for someone who hates me? Sure, Obama can say he doesn't agree with the guy...but attending a church listening to that hatemonger rant and rail against white people is pretty strong indication that you agree with much of what he preaches.

If I went to watch Rush Limbaugh's radio show "religiously" for 20 years....would you believe that I just went to see it "just because," and that I didn't really agree with the hateful things Limpballs said? You'd be crazy to believe that story.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:41 PM
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54. Who's been paying that close attention
outside of these forums?

I guarantee a lot of people heard about Wright today for the very first time.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:10 PM
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69. And you would be WRONG
The muslim meme, Trinity Church meme, Farakhan meme has been around a long time, sent in various viral emails, and on television way before this. I SAW IT ON TELEVISION A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. So, no, this is not new. They needed something to counter the Ferrero story with. Next week the eye will be turned back on Clinton... I wonder what will be the big story then...maybe something to do with fundraising and tax returns I suppose.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:37 PM
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73. I'd never seen the videos before
I never heard the "God Damn America" story. I never saw the humping.

I understand why you'd like to think this isn't a story, but it is.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:23 PM
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7. The difficulty is in the timing
anything done now will be seen as insincere and opportunistic.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:25 PM
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11. doesn't matter, he needs to do it and do it over and over until it sticks.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:23 PM
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8. On CNN a pundit said the GOP considers this stuff gold
He said it would make the swiftboating of Kerry look like a public service announcement

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:26 PM
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14. jesus!....i heard that
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:27 PM
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16. The pundit is correct
Here's a bumpersticker:

-----------------------------
"GOD DAMN AMERICA"
- Obama's spiritual mentor
-----------------------------

Obama is unelectable unless he somehow nips this in the bud. I have grave doubts that he can.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:30 PM
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27. Obama has a 20 year relationship with Wright. There is nothing he can do
to pretend otherwise

That maniac baptized Obama's kids.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:33 PM
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34. He's still a better candidate than Hillary.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:39 PM
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47. Only to Kool-Aid drinking, robe-hanging worshipers, from a planet
where no O2 gets to their tiny necrotic brains
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:51 PM
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63. .........
:yourock: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:47 AM
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99. But neither one of them...
are better than Biden. What a mess.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:43 PM
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75. What about this...?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5068556&mesg_id=5068556

I'm not defending that preacher's wacko views - but it seems many other good people have at some time, shared the same church.

It strikes me as very strange after over a year on the campaign trail - this tape suddenly appears (or now is getting lots of air time) - just as Obama readies to seal the deal.

What an obvious tactical move; like the others, the blowback will hurt the ones throwing the darts a lot more than Obama.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:28 PM
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18. Yep and they really like the humping part
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:36 PM
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41. OMG...This is it folks.. Let the dogs out!
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:41 PM
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52. If you think this stuff is bad, I listened to Limbaugh today,
I got the shock of my life! He is trying to create a race war within the democratic party. He wants Hillary nominated at the convention, and wants there to be riots at that time.

He's trying to pit:

Blacks against Whites
Hispanics against Blacks

This is some serious stuff, he needs to be taken off the air!

He knows that the only way to keep the White House is to divide our party, he is evil and diabolical!

I hope people will start listening and make their voices heard!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:58 PM
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79. Yes, I predicted this would happen months and months ago..
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 12:03 AM by Tellurian
I didn't know how it would be brought about.. until Oprah entered the picture. She lit the match with her, "He's The One", "The Chosen One", meme..and the Obama campaign waited until SC waiting for the right moment, capped on Bill Clinton for the JJ statement and has run with the racism accusation against anyone and everyone ever since..

My hypothesis is the Republicans want Obama for the nominee and will turn this into an all out race war like we know historically happened in the 60s. McCain has nothing to do with it and is helpless to stop it. The Neocons will unleash the White Supremists and the old violence of the past will ensue. The difference is... Bush will declare Marshall Law and all elections will be suspended indefinately. They are going to use this excuse to do an ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the US...It's already in the works. There is a dvd floating out there entitled "The Siege of Western Civilization" by Herb Myers. He served as a Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence and the Vice Chairman of the CIA's National Intelligence Council under Reagan. The dvd espouses the endangerment of the white race. As unbelievable as this may seem, it is even moreso when you listen to this man speak and rationalize what he is doing as in the best interests of America. This man is for real.

The only way we can control what happens is if Hillary is the nominee and Obama puts a stop to the craziness of Donna Brazile, who is the impetus for encouraging racial violence (blacks against whites) if Obama doesn't get the nomination. Then we may survive this.

As far as getting Limbaugh off the air.. he owns the station he broascasts from. Theres no way we can stop him from the hate.. we have to go around the whole damn bunch of them to comeout of this in one piece and not let the America we're hoping to reclaim be destroyed in the process.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:52 AM
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88. What about getting to Limbaugh through his advertiser's?
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 12:53 AM by laugle
This one guy sent recordings to advertiser's on Lee Roger's/Melanie Morgan's show, same station out here for RL, the advertiser's pulled their ads, the poor guy who blew the whistle
got sued though. It was a big deal out here, 1 person made a difference.

On Herb Myers, he must be old, if he was with Reagan. You also have to see the agenda, he wants to sell DVD's. This sounds more like Alex Jones, Prison Planet web site!

What did Donna Brazile say re violence?

Anyway, it's important to keep a check on Limbaugh, I'm not the alarmist type, but Limbaugh knows if we take the White House, his kind of HATE won't be tolerated. Watching Hannity tonight interviewing McCain, trying hard to get him to say something negative about Obama, and he wouldn't! LOL...you could tell that Hannity was ready to burst waiting for some hate to flow, and it didn't...............These guys are shitting in there pants that there type of hate/fear politics may be gone!

Well....I choose to believe that things will work out in the end, there's just too much at stake to let HATE win!

BTW, I agree with you about Oprah, those comments were silly and didn't really do much for BO, but they did create a hugh backlash for her with her fans. No wonder she has been so MIA! There's many "Oprah is a traitor" sites on the net.........
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:30 AM
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90. Limbaugh is Bush's boy..
Dub takes care of him personally. How do you think he avoided arrest when he was found with lbs of Vicodin and Viagra.

Herb Myers old? What has that got to do with what I posted? If he has a telephone, a plan in concert with Repubs and is still connected... I dunno, but he is actively on the board of directors of Earth Bio-Fuels. A bio fuel company formerly owned by Willie Nelson.. Morgan Freeman is still a major stockholder of EBOF. Myers got appointed to the position last year and several other former Feds have been placed on the board.

Donna Brazile is stoking the fire:

Apparently the CBC is mounting an agenda of it's own ... that will dovetail perfectly into a natural defense for the GOP and the "Great White Hope McCain".. to thoroughly dismiss Obama as a Racist in the General Election. .

Do we really want to go there? I know, I don't!

Read How dangerous Obama's ambitions will be for the rest of us:

Donna Brazile is saying: the African American community will outraged if Hillary wins the nomination.

You may not be understanding the implication of that statement and what she means. She is saying that African American community will outraged if Hillary wins the nomination (due to the Super Delegates).

This is about the Congressional Black Caucus. Back on September 29, 2007, It was a CBC sponsored round table on CSPAN in which Donna Brazile, Arthur Davis and about three others were in a panel discussion. We didn’t get to see the whole thing but saw and heard enough. Unfortunately there is neither a video (even though it was obviously on tape) or transcript from the event.

It was the same weekend event to which Hillary was an invited speaker which caused an uproar because Obama supporters in the CBC objected.

http://www.thehill.com/leading-the-news/cbcs-event-for-clinton-prompts-grumbles-2007-09-20.html

Davis’s speech at the weekend event was pretty much the same one he had delivered at other annual events about the “glass ceiling” (see the problem coming here?)

http://www.house.gov/arturdavis/2004press/glass_ceiling...

Artur Davis RW Power Broker

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=886

The particular round table was about the future of African Americans in politics.


Not to stretch the details in the discussion beyond memory, the gist was this — everybody just couldn’t wait, including Donna and Artur, for Barack Obama to be president so that FINALLY AAs would be able to enact all the plans waiting so long for “the one” to lead.

It was a chilling undercurrent coming from Brazile and if you can't see the implication coming from Brazile on an Obama presidency, then take a step back and think a minute..Then incorporate your thoughts into Rev Wright's philosophy. Things start to go boom and people start getting hurt.

CBC’s BrainTrust’s Mission: Strangely enough, it's not about a better Life for AAs..

http://www.slepton.com/slepton/viewcontent.pl?id=891

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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:59 AM
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92. I understand all the implications,
much more than you know, but I ain't posting it here, if you know what I mean.

Why do you sound so condescending, did my post annoy you?

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:48 AM
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93. I had my druthers about what I was posting and thought a moment and almost pm'd you...
Then I thought... what the hell. People weren't ready to hear this 6 mos ago because they would never believe it.. I felt the timing was right to at least get it out there in the mainstream and let the chips fall where they may. If I sounded condescending, I didn't mean to. The tone in the Brazile piece was something I had written before Iowa...and because of the late hour (2am)I didn't edit it and soften the message because I know you see the seriousness of the times and where this is all going especially with Limbaugh in the background stoking the racial hatred. When I originally posted the Brazile piece it was ignored and dismissed out of hand...

Laugle, you're a gem. I would never intentionally offend you. You have to always remember that. I even appreciate you giving me the chance to explain the context and tone of my post. {{hugs}} I'll be back online later..
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:53 PM
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95. Sorry I didn't reply to you last night, I went to sleep!
You are correct, I do see the seriousness of the situation, that's why I urged people to listen to Limpballs. He's really crossed the line, and his evil plan is about all of us and our country. While we bicker here over the candidates, there is a lot more sinister things going on! I can't focus on the worst case scenario's, because my head would explode.....but I understand where you are coming from.

Well, I guess we are all a bit on edge, that's an understatement. LOL

Appreciate the nice words, don't hear it much around here lately.........

Best to you and yours......
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:01 PM
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96. Sorry I didn't reply last night, I went to sleep.
I get where you are coming from, but if I think about worst case scenario's my head would explode.

Thanks for the nice words, it's rare these days on DU. We are all just a little bit on edge, just a tad.....LOL

Well I only got a few snarky reply's to my Limpballs comments, so maybe someone is listening.......

Best to you and yours..........
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:24 PM
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10. Do an interview on one of the nets...talk about this, Rezko, etc.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:27 PM
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15. you mean the way McCain had to deal with Hagee?
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:28 PM
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23. Did McCain attend Hagee's church for 20 years?
Did he name Hagee his spiritual mentor? Did he title his autobiography with Hagee's words?

The two relationships are nothing alike.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:35 PM
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37. lol! so it's all about the relationships. LOL! It's called guilt by association.
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 10:35 PM by cryingshame
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:50 PM
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61. Damn right it is.
If I associated with KKKers you'd have legitimate cause to consider me guilty of racism.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:48 PM
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60. So McCain and Obama have the same problems.
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:28 PM
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21. correct
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:28 PM
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22. Keep this handy
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:32 PM
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31. Sorry, No sale. You can't disavow a twenty year relationship and
think anyone will buy it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:37 PM
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43. No one is selling you anything. The facts are there. I happen to think Wright points are spot on!
The fact that people want to spin them and throw hissy fits are not going to change anything.

"You can't disavow a twenty year relationship"

Guess that pretty much says it all about your feigned outrage!

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:29 PM
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24. I imagine we need the rest of his sermons
and a little guts to admit that perhaps Rev Wright knows more than a little about the dark side of this country.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:39 PM
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46. The problem is...Rev Wright promotes the "dark side"..
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:30 PM
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28. John McCain just added another to his own personal freakshow.
No worries. Seriously. This shit goes both ways and the Republicans know it. Barack and McCain will keep the ugly at arm's length.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:31 PM
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29. the 527's won't
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:35 PM
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39. Break out the pink tu tus!
:scared:

I swear, we must be the party of wimps. Do you believe Obama believes and shares the sentiments of Rev. Wright?! THIS IS ROVIAN AT ITS BEST!
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:41 PM
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53. Of course NOT! But I remember Kerry all too well and sorry but I'm pessimistic.
I love Obama but we need to be ready and prepared. And if Obama wants to win he needs to throw the guy under the bus. He needs to start fighting!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:45 PM
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56. Rovian is way overused
not everything negative is a Rovian attack.

This is newsworthy, whether you like it or not. If you think "God Damn America" will just be shrugged off my most voters, you're deluding yourself. This is an issue - maybe a big one.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:16 PM
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71. Um..whatever
It is ROVIAN, even if your delusional self wants it to be something else. The man attends a church with 10,000 other people in Chicago. It is apparently the biggest black church in Chicago where "movers and shakers" attend faithfully. Learn up on some things and get back at me. I'm sorry you have been shocked into the reality of the black church, but the man hasn't said anything that isn't accurate to some degree. Maybe he could have used "nicer" language, okay. But corporate America runs things here in the US of A. And they are bending YOU over, black OR white, and sticking it to ya. And yes, this great country of OURS has not ALWAYS done the right things. But at the end of one of this mans remarks, he did say he "loves" those even if he disagrees with them. Hardly a man who wants all white folks out of his sight. Now, he could have refrained from injecting race into it by saying "rich, white people" and instead said "rich people", but I guess he was going for the full gusto. At least no one can claim he is a muslim, now. He is full blown church choir singing and swaying CHRISTIAN.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:38 PM
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74. It's not Rovian
it's a legitimate story. I know that bugs you, but it is.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:36 PM
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42. and you suggest there's nothing for them to attack Hillary?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:43 PM
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55. This is the most laughable think about this creeping concern! n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:46 PM
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57. Bringing up Whitewater
won't make the top of the hour news on every cable net.

New, breaking controversy is what gets aired.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:39 PM
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49. McCain and Barack have already alluded to a gentleman's agreement.
They CAN reel much if not all of it in. McCain seems willing to keep the campaign on the high road because everybody is getting a good look at ugly, and when ugly finally drops out McCain and Obama can get it on. I think it will be a spectacular match-up to get down into the marrow of their diametrically opposed ideologies. It's gonna be great.

This isn't grandma's politics anymore. It's gonna be old school vs. a new direction for America. And I can't wait.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:59 PM
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66. So he's letting Hillary do his knee capping for him
and she's happy to do it. They both stink.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:26 PM
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72. I agree.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:33 PM
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35. Last night, I wrote pretty much what you just did and got shrieking screams of "Hillbot" in return
It's interesting how juvenile this whole thing on both sides has gotten with regard to Us vs. Them.

People seem to be forgetting we're all on the same team.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:35 PM
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40. The only one who needs to deal with Rev. Wright is
Rev. Wright.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:39 PM
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48. Agreed. Barack needs to confront this loudly, publicly, and repeatedly.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:40 PM
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50. Its nothis postor don't understand this reject endorsements thing. They aren't on his team.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:40 PM
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51. If he puts Wright in the campaign, then yes. Otherwise, no.
Religion and politics are separate and there is absolutely no need at present to get mixed up in it. If the CIA bribes the press into making a swiftboat stink about it, maybe. Otherwise ignore.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:47 PM
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58. Leading black clergy group backing Obama
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:50 PM
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62. You are too good...
I :loveya:
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:57 PM
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64. Sure, then every Sunday Obama will be asked to critique the guy's sermon.
No way.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:09 PM
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68. The "ask someone to repudiate 300 different ways" thing isn't working folks.
Hasn't Hillary figured that one out yet? You can't keep negative news floating if *nothing is new*.
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:14 PM
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70. This could be the GOPs only ad if Obama is the nominee
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:50 PM
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76. Here is how I would deal with the issue
First of all, the pastor is not running for President. Obama is. Is everything that one's pastor says on and off the altar in some way making someone who goes to that church complicit in the message?

If the pastor is pro-life and has a bus go to Washington DC for a pro-life rally (as many churches do), does that make all of those who belong to the church pro-life?

If a pastor endorses the Republican candidate for President (like I witnessed in 2004 at a mass I attended), does that make me a Republican?

Reverend Wright is free to speak his mind without having to worry about what Obama might think of everything he preaches. Obama is free to not take everything Wright says as what he believes. If anything, hearing that Obama's CHRISTIAN pastor is somehow controversial directly implodes the idea that Obama is a Muslim.

Should Obama come out and condemn what Wright has said? Perhaps he should say the truth, which I'm sure is that he was inspired by some of Wright's sermons over the years. To condemn Wright plays right into what I feel is a non-issue, a distraction and a ruse to deflect what needs to be talked about.

If McCain wants to bring up Wright, Obama can bring up Hagee.

Also, isn't Wright Obama's former pastor anyway?

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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:50 AM
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87. Rev. Wright does not have the right to ...
preach politics from the pulpit and still have his church remain a charitable organization as per 501(c)3 non-profit regulations.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:53 PM
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78. Why don't we want to talk about Wright's positive message?
You know...the one that brings in thousands every week and embraces so many progressive values? The one that affirms LGBT people? The one that is feminist? The one that critiques poverty and the nation's lack of interest in the poor? I think we need to throw THOSE views back in the face of America--that those views come from a pulpit--and shift the ground of the debate. When we ask for constant repudiation of beliefs, we can never win, because they will always ask for another and another repudiation. What we need to do is look at the positive message, the message that resonates with parishioners black AND white, and use that as the moral (and I mean that word literally) high ground from which to fight this battle.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:10 AM
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80. It's a church issue, not an Obama issue
If the United Church of Christ wants to official defrock, ex-communicate or otherwise reprimand Rev. Wright for his public or private statements/actions, that is their decision.

It's acutally a dead horse anyway. Wright is retiring this year, it's a non-issue as of Feb. 2008, the date of his last sermon. He has since been replaced by Rev. Otis Moss III. The Repugs can beat a dead horse for as long as they want, but I bet they won't get anything much on Rev. Moss.

Obama should not be regulating his church. Or any church. That's not his job or concern. A secondary issue is that it's a separation of church and state.

This is southside Chicago, BTW. The church has listed 8000 members. You ever been to a big-city church and compared it to a small-town church? I went to Glide Methodist Church in downtown San Francisco (Tenderloin), it's totally different service than the Methodist churches that are found in the rural areas of the South, even though they are part of the same denomination.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:12 AM
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81. It's worrisome to a certain extent, but it doesn't seem to be hurting him that much.
I just watched Anderson Cooper, and while he devoted a segment to it, he concluded by wondering why stuff like this was detracting from real issues.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:14 AM
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82. Remeber that dude who use heated unpopular rhetoric and what happened to him?? Some Nazarite right?
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:35 AM
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83. He needs to dump that guy like a dirty diaper.
I heard the preacher's rant on KO's show tonight and my jaw dropped four feet.

OK, so Preacher Wright obviously marches to his own beat and that's fine for him, but if Obama doesn't quickly put some miles between himself and that dude he may have to kiss the nomination goodbye. He won't even make it to the GE.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:48 AM
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86. Which one did they air?
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:05 AM
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98. When he said, "God damn America!"
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:06 AM by Spiffarino
I'll admit I said that a lot after Bush stole the Presidency a second time. I couldn't get over that there were actually that many clueless clods that the election could even be close. So yeah, I get disgusted with this country from time to time.

Rev. Wright hurts Obama's chance at winning the GE, maybe even the primaries. He may be a good man - and by all accounts he is - but he may be destroying the last chance we have of getting a decent person in the White House come next January.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:38 AM
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84. The media will get bored with this.
Eventually, they will see something more exciting, like Brittney's latest meltdown, and Wright will be forgotten.

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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:46 AM
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85. This Wright business probably wouldn't be as much of an issue
had the Rev. not brought up politics while in the pulpit.


I'm having a hard time getting beyond the obvious 501(c)3 non-profit regs violation(s) here for starters.... much less all the rest of the crazy ranting of Rev. Wright's.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:58 AM
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89. The irony is Obama runs on "unity" and "post-racial" politics yet goes to this church
The hypocrisy will hurt him as much as Wright's comments. This is another instance of Obama saying one thing and doing another and hurts on the heels of NAFTAgate and the Power/Iraq controversy.

If Obama practiced what he preaches he would have told Wright FU and left the church long ago.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:31 AM
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91. Ha, this is just the first of many tangled connections! See here about the barber and pool guy
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:40 PM
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97. He already has daelt with it.
He has spoken about it and said he disagrees with the statements.

I find it interesting that you don't think he has. Why? Maybe because the media is acting like he hasn't?
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