Women are asking WHY

[LulaMay]

Why is sexism still okay in this world, while racism is not? Why is Obama given a pass in the media and with party leaders, while Hillary is attacked?

There's only one reason; because he's a man.

Sexism is 'okay' because THEY RUN THE SHOW still.

The proof is in the pudding, with Obama himself, let alone his advisers, being allowed to say sexist things with impunity, such as 'he can't tell who he's running against', or 'shes likable ENOUGH', or talk about how desperate and emotional she gets when she's 'down'....like a husband embarrassing his wife at a party by joking that she gets cranky and has PMS.

He knows he'll get away with it. His campaign knows it.

That much was shown when a top adviser felt comfy enough to tell a foreign press reporter that Hillary was a monster. It barely registered on the Richter scale in the media, as they searched for the next big attack they could launch against Hillary in return.

Obama's campaign advisers know the media will work with them, eat up every press release, poke and prod people, twist every short sighted or poorly made remark they can dredge up into racist attacks of the supposedly worst kind on him. His campaign has done this from the start, releasing 4 pages of supposed racist remarks by the Clinton campaign. Obama admitted this to Tim Russert in the first debate, ON TELEVISION, saying he 'regretted it'. It went by without anyone barely beating an eyelash.

His campaign and the media has done this to Democrats who've fought against racism their whole lives, hurting the party, because they would sooner go down with the ship than see a woman become president.

Liberal men and pundits who used to love Bill Clinton have shown their fury at him for daring to challenge the brotherhood and stump for his wife to become president.



Sexism is 'okay' because enough men who run the show still consider it 'natural', the order of things.

They have been set out to prove it, and keep the privileged place they've made for themselves in this world by beating us down.

It is still acceptable to say the most offensive things because men as a group have still refused to give it up, they perpetuate it.

Women have little voice in it, fewer places to report on it, and there are token women who get jobs and kudos by going along with it, believing themselves to be better than other women, who they denounce as inferior to themselves in ability and intellect, and call women's protests 'whining'.



The media reactions are proof positive of how deeply embedded sexism is, and that it's at the root of this worlds problems.

They have gone after Hillary with forks and knives, unable to contain their venom even when caught with their pants down. Party leaders remain silent, not even trying to use their positions to stop it.

Nope, they are club members too, as much as they like to tell us they're on our side, that they are the party for us....like some arrogant boyfriend or spouse who dumps on on a woman, then hands her a near dead rose he picked up at the gas station.

Nope, the first thing we see from Democrats is a pissed off Teddy Kennedy starting the whole thing off, coming out like the oldest king of kings in the Democratic party and practically telling us that Obama is THE choice, and we'd all just better get used to it...because it's destiny.....

and in case we flinch at that, it's CAMELOT, and don't we forget it, in the name of his brother, the father, son and holy ghost.


The Obama campaign has gladly accepted all of this.



This has been, is, a moment of truth for men in this party and liberal politics. They have failed us miserably. Many many women see it, and are speaking with their votes while being silenced in the forum.

If the sideshow is allowed to go unchecked, it will be the beginning of the end of the Democratic party, politics as usual.

Women are not going to keep doing as directed and be slapped in the face by a group of angry, punishing men who then feel they have the right to our votes and support.

[Political Heretic]

1. Start giving concrete examples of sexism, with references or shut up.

I'm done allowing this blanket sexism charge to be used as a cheap political tactic.

It totally betrays the REAL issues of sexism in our patriarchal society when its cheapened down to a political ploy.

Put up or shut up.

[XemaSab]

:thumbsup:

[LulaMay]

38. Do not tell me to shut up. It won't do you any good! :)

[Political Heretic]

80. I didn't tell you to shut up. I told you to put up or shut up. PRODUCE THE BODY.

Either back up your vacuous bullshit or be rejected as irrelevant.

[WhiteTara]

463. here

- you little misogynist - just one example that is quite recent

“ I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal,” he told reporters.

’Cause you know how women are….

Driven by feelings…. Worried about their appeal… Prone to tears… The whole phases of the moon thing…

And did you catch the dogwhistle in “periodically”?

This is only one small example. The days and nights are too long to provide you with all there is.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

514. Thats it?

“ I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal,” he told reporters.

So you're saying men don't feel down from time to time? Me thinks you're being overly sensitive..

[Alter Ego]

517. And you honestly think

that Obama meant that Clinton was PMSing?

Then you're too far gone for any of us to try and convince you otherwise. That's absolute bullshit. He wasn't inferring that in any way. All it meant was is that she immediately goes into attack mode whenever her numbers are down.

You're reading WAY too much into one sentence.

[Hieronymus]

89. LOL, you're obviously unable to say how Obama is sexist.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

108. I would use the way he looks at her as sexist. There were a bunch of photos awhile back.

Body language tells you a LOT.

[Hieronymus]

118. Kerry backs Obama .. does that make him sexist? [referring to your name]

[kerry-is-my-prez]

162. I don't demonize anyone for supporting Obama. We just have a difference of opinion.

Kennedy and Olbermann, etc. are still heros in my book. Kerry is still a good guy. I can understand why they like Obama. I can't expect to agree with them always.

[Political Heretic]

128. Really...... we're down to "he looked at her funny" personal hunches... devils on your shoulder..

... interpretation, innuendo..... that's what it comes down to?

Wow.

Just wow.

Now how about something concrete ?

[Medusa]

201. He looks at her funny?

:eyes:

[JVS]

287. Moooooooooom He's looking at me funny!

[Alter Ego]

518. OK, we'll tell him to wear a fright mask whenever he has to look

at Hillary for an extended period of time.

Jesus fuck, is THIS the best you've got? Meanwhile, she's mocked him, his supporters, and pretty much marginalized everything that makes his campaign the force it is and it's all okay with you because hey, it's OK as long as it's Saint Hillary!

[greguganus]

311. Still don't have that 5 bucks to donate for all your postings? n/t

[Moochy]

328. I thought it was 500.00

Think of the size of the donor star!! :*

[SammyWinstonJack]

513. Lame and rude!

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

46. very RUDE---use some manners please

[Yes We Did]

226. Well, where are the references? You guys keep...

Saying he is playing the race card, then you can't back it up... probably because he ISN'T.

Then you say he is sexist... but can't prove it, probably again because he HASN'T.

You make statements and then don't back them up.

[roguevalley]

77. agreed. I love these self-appointed women's arbiters spewing all

this crap on our behalf. There's enough real sexism in this world as it is without adding that tag to every legitimate criticism a woman earns.

[Political Heretic]

82. I've got two respones from "ignoreds" - anyone else want to take a shot?

[SeaLyons]

95. Don't you dare tell anyone to shut up

[Political Heretic]

135. I didn't tell anyone to shut up. I told someone to put up or shut up. PRODUCE THE BODY

or stop PERVERTING the reality of sexism in America for use as a cheap, pathetic political ploy.

It is insulting.

Put up the concrete examples of sexism - concrete would be defined as with reference so we can all take a look at it, or stop spreading bullshit.

[SeaLyons]

168. Sorry, but I don't think proof would

help you. If you want to deny that sexism exists, then I guess you live on another planet.

[Political Heretic]

177. Nice cop out. I don't deny sexism exists. I reject the cheapening of the real issues of sexism

by turning it into a political tactic.

When you cry "sexism! sexism! sexism!" without ever once providing clear, concrete examples of what you are calling sexism your using the real challenge of sexism in our society as a cheap parlor trick political stunt.

And that's incredibly offensive to me.

So... once again, either put up or shut up. I'm not sitting by anymore and allowing this kind of cheap garbage.

[SeaLyons]

188. Knock yourself out!!

[Political Heretic]

196. Once again, another empty reply with not a single concrete example - you don't have any.

sad.

[Recursion]

495. We wouldn't know, because nobody ever produces any

We've been hearing "sexism" for months and as of yet, the only concrete examples I've heard are how some pundits use the word "shrill".

What is a concrete example of a sexist attack by Obama?

[femrap]

393. The big man is angry. He demands proof.

He wouldn't know sexism if it bit his teenie weenie.

Seven 'present' votes on Choice. Asshole.

[skater314159]

485. Your statement is hate-speech against males. nt

[femrap]

493. did you know there is no such

thing as hate speech against women? That's just correct English.

Join the list.

[skater314159]

494. Hate speech is hate speech.

Ignore me if you feel like it, I'm not gonna change to suit you.

[WhiteTara]

464. mind welded shut?

[DevonRex]

105. I'm with you.

I'm putting Lula on ignore. I've never read such garbage. And it actually hurts women to write that crap. As a woman it offends me and totally ticks me off.

[Dr. Strange]

324. Allow me to say two things.

First, welcome to DU.

Second, GO AVS!

Carry on.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

484. Welcome to DU fellow Denverite!

Were you by chance at the County Convention last Saturday?

Please don't get too upset about the posts in GD-P. They're designed to be incendiary. I personally really like LM's posts, they're entertaining and slyly funny.

Again, welcome! :toast:

[skater314159]

486. I agree with you...

... and welcome to DU :hi:

I love hockey too... oh, and yeh, putting Lulu on ignore will make your life here a little bit easier (or at least a little less ticked off!)

[elehhhhna]

254. I guess calling her "She" is sexist too, right?

puh-leeze. Get off it.

[Alter Ego]

519. Hillary's a "fighter". She'll get over it.

It's funny--how will she stand up to the Republicans if she's seeing phantom examples of sexism EVERYWHERE?

[Darth_Kitten]

299. Well, give concrete examples of racism then....

only fair...

[Name removed]

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[Jamastiene]

446. Is your name Skinner?

If not, don't tell anyone to shut up and quit being so rude. :thumbsdown:

[Drachasor]

2. That's a long post of sexism without any evidence Obama's campaign has been sexist

I really doubt most women feel his campaign is sexist.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. How about

“I understand that Senator Clinton periodically, when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal,”

[Drachasor]

12. How's that sexist? She did launch attacks when she wasn't polling as well or doing badly in..

elections. She hasn't always done it. There have been times of peace, usually during debates or the like, and then she goes on the attack again. Hillary's constantly changing public face has been noticed by many. It's a fact, and there's nothing sexist about it (Romney had the same problem).

[Bluerthanblue]

17. men never get 'down'- ever-

whether it's in poll's, contests, or mood.

Hell, we know A.Lincoln was never 'down'.
:sarcasm:

:shrug:


peace~

[MonkeyFunk]

20. People rarely accuse male politicians

of acting on mood swings.

[polichick]

30. Did he use the term "mood swings?"

[Medusa]

202. Yeah right. Ever heard of "John Angry McCain"?

among many other terms used to express his many moods?

Another bullshit claim by a Clintonista debunked.

[LulaMay]

364. You mean the John McCain who laughed at Hillary being called a b*tch? Men promote their 'anger'

thinking it shows they are strong. It is not the same thing as men calling women over-emotional, hysterical, 'desperate'.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

515. Are you kidding

McCains anger streak (mood) is legend and great fodder for the coming election..

[Raejeanowl]

34. Very Disingenuous Of You

I'm sure you're not really that dense. It's similar to anyone talking about "dark days" for Obama, etc. You use subtleties and pretend innocence.

But frankly, I've seen less of the direct pokes from the campaign, because I don't watch his videos or hang on his speeches. I'm more convinced that his campaign is the willing BENEFICIARY rather than the instigator of sexist attacks against Hillary.

And of course, they spend so much of their time villifying that type of biased attack (shrill, hysterical, only an appendage of her husband) against her in the name of social justice, don't they?

Whereas you'd think it's Clinton's personal obligation to jump on every instance of racism with nuclear weapons or be accused of endorsing it with her silence.

[Drachasor]

59. Eh, I don't see where you are coming from

Someone using "dark days" (a phrase) doesn't mean they are making a racist remark, though I am not familiar with any such statements regarding Obama. "Periodically" is also a single word, with a particular meaning here. It has no reference to a woman's period, and it is ridiculous to say anyone using that word in relation to a woman is making a sexist remark. Calling such things biased is twisting the meaning of the words.

Also, Obama's camp spends very little time villifying biased attacks against Hillary. They have had to step in some, but honestly it hasn't come up that much.

I do think Clinton should have jumped stronger on Ferraro's remark than she did. She needed a much stronger statement against it. More in line with what Obama said about Power's "monster" comment. Hillary is quite capable of strong remarks (as evidenced with her "shame on you, Barack Obama" speech).

[polichick]

19. There's nothing sexist about that.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. And I think the charges of racism against the Clintons

are bullshit.

So we're even, I guess.

[polichick]

27. lol - fat chance!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

29. The Clintons cannot talk about sexism - look at BIll's actions

He of all people has used and abused women.

[Drachasor]

70. Obama has done more to speak out against such things than Clinton, that's the problem

And it was what Olbermann was talking about last night. Obama has come down hard on such statements from his campaign, quickly calling them completely inappropriate and out of line. Clinton made a much softer disclaimer and didn't get rid of the person until much later (it took her nearly 2 days, whereas it happened within almost instantly with Obama's campaign).

I don't think Clinton is racist, but she doesn't seem eager to speak out strongly against questionable comments her staffers and members make (whether it is racial in nature or not). The comparison to the Obama campaign is stark indeed.

[Nederland]

32. Newsflash

Men launch attacks when they are feeling down too. It's a basic psychological reaction that both genders are subject to.

The fact that you assume that such actions are specific to only women speaks volumes about you though...

[MonkeyFunk]

Nope

My point is that accusing her of it was sexist. Why that she's "feeling down"? How about "when she's attacked" or "when she's righteously angry"?

You can pretend it's not sexist all you want, but reasonable people know better.

[Drachasor]

114. She attacked him, didn't do it constantly, often related to when she was down in the polls

How is stating that sexist? That's when she was attacking him.

[DarienComp]

225. You honestly expect Obama to say that her anger is "righteous"?

I thought we Obama supporters were the naive ones.

[ContinentalOp]

75. OK, say we grant you that one.

What else do you have? The list of the Clinton campaign's racism and race baiting has gotten quite long. The worst you can come up with is that one time Obama may have made a sexist dig hinting that Clinton had PMS. That's pretty bad but not really a pattern. Maybe it was an honest slip up. Has anyone ever even asked him about it?

[MonkeyFunk]

93. and I think the racism accusations

are entirely false, and THAT'S where the race-baiting came in.

[Drachasor]

Right, but Obama is a sexist even though he married a highly independent woman

Come on.

[MonkeyFunk]

123. Who he married

has nothing to do with it. And I didn't say he was a sexist - I gave an example when asked of some sexism coming from him and his campaign. There's been plenty of it.

Even worse is the sexism that his supporters here have displayed over the last few months - some of it truly horrid.

[Drachasor]

140. It's not fair to pretend that noisy supportors of him on here are representative

And the example given is ambiguous at best.

[femrap]

397. Who made all the money so he could

be an organizer. Read her interview in Vanity Fair...last Dec. He's not that great to live with.

[Beacool]

358. I was thinking of the same quote.

The "periodically" is the word that many picked up on.

Also, "you're likeable enough, Hillary"

Then again, I think the guy is an arrogant jerk, so he annoys me in many ways.

[progressoid]

455. huh?

:wtf:

[annie1]

275. i dont' feel it is, i do however this JJ Jr.'s "crying about her hair comment"...

was sexist and nasty. but don't believe the campaign has been sexist at all. i do believe that some of the vitrol directed towards hillary is because she is a woman. and that is not barack's fault.

[Sadie5]

3. Great post LulaMay

Go Hillary!

[LulaMay]

36. Thank you.

[Political Heretic]

84. Great post without a single concrete example of anything.

Yay vacuous smears! Wooo hooo!

[LulaMay]

192. Are you in the Concrete business? Come on, tell us. Your just here to keep the word CONCRETE up,

aren't you?!

[Political Heretic]

199. Still not a single shred of evidence presented by you. Still. None. Zip. Zero.

Yet you keep talking.

[skater314159]

487. Your attempts at "humour" are painful to read. nt

[LisaM]

4. Thank you, a brave post, becuse you know you'll be attacked.

And I know it too. Yet you're still gutsy enough to proceed. Good for you.

Can you please direct me to the four pages of comments the Obama campaign released? I hadn't heard that before, and would like to see them.

It makes me sad to see the Clintons painted as racists.

[LulaMay]

23. I've gotten used to it here. What matters is sharing my observations...and thank you!

[LisaM]

39. The good thing is that I've made a new little circle of friends

online friends. I have to admit, I didn't realize how strong a feminist I was until this election put it into perspective for me. But I've found out I'm not alone! Neither are you.

[LulaMay]

74. Thanks! Me too.

[Political Heretic]

85. Observations of WHAT? I keep asking this over and over... no response.

[femrap]

398. You're probably being Ignored...

which I agree is a very good idea. buh bye

[polichick]

5. You're looking for things that aren't there...

Obama hasn't said sexist things ~ your examples don't show that at all.

[LulaMay]

35. Oh How I Wish I had to LOOK for sexism in this world.

[polichick]

100. How else to explain why you see it where it doesn't exist??

[skater314159]

488. Would you know it when you see it? NT

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. I don't think women are really that stupid.

I find your broadbrush smears against women to be sexist and offensive.

[americanstranger]

8. So... men are 'Dead to you' now?

- as

[LulaMay]

45. ask my husband....Oh sorry, he's taking a nap because he's happy as a clam.

what a predictable thing for you to say.

[americanstranger]

53. Nearly as predictable as blanket accusations of sexism.

- as

[skater314159]

489. What does that mean?

Your responses border on word salad...

What are you trying to say?

[Avalux]

9. Do you really think this campaign is about stifling women's voices?

It's not. Hillary Clinton is not the woman I would elect President. That's why so many of us can't support her. Women who vote for her because they have a vendetta against men are doing a great disservice to this country.

[bellasgrams]

28. I am not voting for Hillary because she is a woman, I'm voting

for her, without a doubt in my mind that she is the best candidate and it sickens me to she her treated this way. I'm so fed up with BO and his supporters always hollering race that I'm afraid it may affect the way I look at my black friends. BO should have never stooped to this level for the sake of the country. He knows what he's doing and doesn't care, because he doesn't care about America. If you think I'm kidding start reading his books, and about his minister, Wright, and Lewis Farrakhan.

[LostinVA]

458. I'm voting for her, because she's the best choice

Not because "I have a vendetta against men." I doubt very few people are using that as their reason to vote for Hillary.

Honestly, I always liked your posts, and I'm surprised you would take that cheap shot.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. Should be asking why Hillary's destroying the Democratic Party's chances in the GE for personal gain

[LulaMay]

194. I know! Women are so selfish, aren't we? Always just thinking of ourselves.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

211. Does everything have to be a "woman" thing. You really should hear how how silly you sound.

And no, before you overreact, not ALL women are "silly."

[LulaMay]

230. and we're always so darn SILLY too! Oohhhh, women.

[elehhhhna]

256. self del

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

264. You obviously didn't read the message below the subject line, which makes you look even more foolish

Please just go away. You're bullshit is getting tiresome.

[eissa]

11. Not liking a candidate

because of their campaign style, rhetoric and positions is not "sexist" (and this is coming from a woman by the way.) This hyper-sensitivity, and constant readiness to throw out such a loaded charge only diminishes its seriousness. Personally, I would LOVE to see a woman president, and I believe we will in my lifetime. I don't believe it will be Hillary though. This does not make me a "sexist."

[americanstranger]

13. You are so right.

By the time this primary is over, both 'sexism' and 'racism' are going to be pretty much useless terms.

What was Lenny Bruce's theory - that by repeating an offensive word, you rob it of its power?

Seems to apply here.

- as

[Political Heretic]

87. Exactly.

[sniffa]

14. Women everywhere are speaking out

and asking you to stop representing them like this; it's embarrassing.

[Raine]

403. I agree

as a woman I refuse to be put in the role of victim with all this sexist crap. :mad:

[AirmensMom]

15. Nope.

Sexism is not the problem. Hillary has run a bad campaign. I wouldn't support a man who had campaigned the way she has.

I would love to see a woman become president someday. But not this woman.

[bellasgrams]

44. If BO gets in and I doubt he will, but if he does, you will be

very, very sorry. I'm so worried about his and Michelle's long anti-American feelings I really wonder what he might do to'change' it. Plus with his inexperience people will just chaulk it up to poor leadership.

[AirmensMom]

65. Fortune teller?

You can't predict whether or not I'll be sorry. He has already shown better leadership than she has. And if experience is all that matters, you might as well vote for McCain.

[chknltl]

263. Wow!

Just WOW! My step kid, (a freeper but I still love him), told me that Senator Obama has a brother who is leading a band of murderous thugs over in Africa!!! Where do folks get this stuff? Please if you would be so kind, post Michelle Obama's "long-<(list of?)>-anti-American feelings".

Oh and why will we be "very very sorry"???

Look bellasgrams:
I don't normally go after my fellow DUers for stuff, we have more than enough attack dogs here in the DU who over-eagerly take that job on. I am NOT one of those DUers. To me, your statements are hardly different than those my step kid keeps coming up with. I would hardly be more shocked if a DUer made this statement: "With 'Hillary's' obvious ties to the communist party...." Trust me bellasgrams, I would want to get to the bottom of that sort of shocking assumption too!

My step kid has yet to back up his attacks on Senator Obama, (btw: he wants Mitt Romney on mCcain's staff because of his "economic genius"), and I confess that it is difficult to let him off the hook when he comes up with them. I do that in hopes of forcing him into a better enlightenment through research. So far I have been unsuccessful. He is a true Kool-Aid drinker who gets madder than hell at the barest mention of "That damned Global Warming MYTH crap!!!".

You are my fellow DUer so I start with the basic understanding that you are way ahead of my step-kid when it comes to figuring stuff out. I ask for your response to my questions for that same reason. Do the research on Michelle Obama's supposed anti-American feelings. WHO is saying such things? Yes, I am aware of that one statement by Michelle Obama which has been parsed and dissected to suggest that she felt a certain way and this was done by her detractors, but you suggest that there is more. Who is saying as you suggest, that Senator Obama has similar feelings? Hell, you don't even have to get back to me once you figure this stuff out...I just hope to get you to do a bit of self examination, perhaps enough to get you to stop spreading blatantly obvious junk.
:pals:

[Gore1FL]

124. No doubt!

And it's the men on hr campaign that are the biggest nimrods.--though Ferraro did make a good run at them.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

16. Those are not examples of sexism.

The "I can't tell who I'm running against" line was in direct response to Bill Clinton's heavy pre-South Carolina campaigning where he essentially overshadowed Hillary when attacking Obama.

The "likable enough" line, while not the smartest thing to say, can't really be traced to gender specifically.

And the "periodically feeling down" sentiment is the biggest stretch -- Hillary is clearly post-menopausal -- and was said in response to her increasingly scathing attacks on Obama that made her seem unhinged.

And, no, I don't mean "unhinged" in a sexist way, I mean "unhinged" as in "crazy."

Hillary isn't losing because of sexism -- she's losing because she doesn't know how to run a campaign.

[polichick]

25. imo the "likable enough" line was meant to say that, in his opinion,...

...she's likeable enough ~ in other words, don't worry about it. Sometimes people misread his dry delivery.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

37. Yes, his style doesn't necessarily translate perfectly.

Although even if it was misinterpreted, I don't see how it could be a gender-based attack on Hillary.

[polichick]

47. I agree - definitely not gender-based, no matter how you read it.

[LulaMay]

60. Take off your blinders.

[polichick]

62. lol - I think you need to remove your "paranoia glasses"

[AirmensMom]

50. "likable enough" ...

I dunno, maybe only women can be "likable enough" because men aren't likable at all? Everyone KNOWS that men never feel down, periodically or otherwise. And only women become unhinged. Yep, those are all great examples of sexism.
:sarcasm:



I'm with you, SA.

:hi:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

72. Hey there!

:hi:

[Connie_Corleone]

18. I guess you just want the nomination handed to Hillary on a silver platter.

After all it's "her turn". Hillary is the one who thought she wouldn't have any serious challenge to the nomination, cruised through the winter and summer last year acting like she was the nominee already. And her older female supporters did the same thing.

Now that she's losing in states won, delegates and popular vote, they've lost their freakin' minds and cry out "SEXISM!!" anytime someone dares to criticize The Hillary.

Hillary is the one who keeps bringing up that people, especially women, should vote for her because she'll be the first female president. If Obama kept bringing up that he'll be the first black president and that's one of the reasons people should vote for him, everyone would be having a fit.


And quit speaking for ALL women. We make up our own damn minds who to support.

[eissa]

24. I think this is exactly what fuels the rage

that I see from many Hillary supporters. They almost feel like she's been robbed. This nomination was hers and hers alone and this guy is ruining everything. Everyone else was beaten into submission but this one won't stay down. So start throwing out charges of sexism (along with everything else in the now infamous kitchen sink) and take the nomination by any means necessary.

[LulaMay]

26. I'm afraid that's what Obama supportrs have expected, and shown their anger that she's still in it.

[NDambi]

49. "And quit speaking for ALL women. We make up our own damn minds who to support."

AMEN and it ain't Hilda

[LulaMay]

64. We sure do...as seen with the returns. A large majority has voted for her.

obviously I don't speak for you.

[NDambi]

92. La La Lula...You never did and you never will. Hallelujah..open the skies and let the heavens flow

[LulaMay]

198. I think you stole that last bit FROM THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN! ;) Wink.

[Straight Shooter]

229. Keep calling her "Hilda" and we'll refer to him as "Baba"

Or BamBam, that's a good one. How about Bobo?

Good gawd, the ridiculous namecalling.

[shadowknows69]

21. He's sexist because he's winning

[jenmito]

31. Why is Hillary allowed to run on being a woman but Obama can't run on being Black?

Or if he DID run on being Black, he'd be considered "a Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton"? Hillary uses her gender at every chance. Obama tries to avoid talking about his race.

[LulaMay]

33. Are you serious? Who has denied black people the right to want a black president, or talk about it?

Everyone seems to UNDERSTAND that is simply a desire for equal representation, to be uplifted in the world.

But Women for Hillary?

I mean, who the hell do we think we are, right?

[americanstranger]

43. No one is denying women the right to want a female president, either.

If they had, Hillary Clinton would never have been in the race. Right?

But I see a lot of women saying that while they want a woman president, they specifically don't Hillary Clinton to be that woman.

Hell, if the right woman was running, I'd vote for her. But by my lights, Hillary carries far too much baggage with too many people to run an effective enough campaign to win. Her primary campaign bears this out.

- as

[LulaMay]

54. Like hell! We're chastised for 'voting for her just because she's a woman'. She's not Condi Rice!

[jenmito]

61. You keep missing my point! AGAIN-SHE uses her gender as a reason people should

vote for her. She claims she embodies change just because she's a woman. Condi Rice is a woman, too. Does SHE embody change? According to Hillary's definition, yes.

[americanstranger]

63. That is tied up in the comment/response nature of this board, IMO.

I see a lot of it from both sides. One accuses the other of voting according to race/sex, the other side retaliates by pointing out that the initial commenter is voting according to race/sex.

Neither side has a corner on that particular accusation.

And what Condi Rice has to do with this conversation, you'll need to explain to me.

- as

[crawfish]

142. What possible reason would anybody have for voting for her...

if it isn't gender?

Please, enlighten us. I can't think of one.

[jenmito]

48. I'm VERY serious. That's not what I said. I said Hillary constantly uses her gender as a

reason people should vote for her. (I've seen "Women for Hillary" signs at every rally she gives). She said she embodies change just by being a woman. Obama never says people should vote for him because he's Black. He never says he embodies change just by being Black. If he did, he'd be seen as polarizing and as a "Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton candidate." You know-only getting the Black vote. If Hillary thinks being a woman embodies change, I guess she thinks Condoleezza Rice would make a "change" candidate even though her positions are just like Bush's.

[NDambi]

55. Nawww be a woman for Hillary..its your choice..but stop carrying around the cross

[gabeana]

300. Has Obama ever said vote for me because I'm Black?

I know Hillary said vote for me because I'm a woman,
Lula you kinda sound like a sexist yourself
You make accusation you can't even back it up,

[bellasgrams]

57. He talks about race all the time. He's having black SD's

threatened if they are not in his corner. No one can say anything without him screaming about race. It's a double standard. Everyone is afraid to say anything unflattering about him because of his race.

[jenmito]

69. Really? Got an example? A quote? And HE'S having SDs threatened? Got proof of THAT?

[LulaMay]

76. Did you even read the post? Or just go over the parts you didn't like?

[jenmito]

155. Which post are you talking about?

[JVS]

296. Duh! 12% is less than 52%

Which is why he knows to tread very lightly even when Ferraro is being a total bigot scumbag.

[zulchzulu]

40. Another example that if you don't like a triangulating, warmongering turncoat, you're "sexist"

I'd vote for Boxer, Pelosi, Baldwin, Sibilius and others in a heartbeat if they were running for President... they stand on their own. They don't need a husband's resume to steal for their own to make them "valid".

As for the millions of women who support Obama, do they need a sex change?

[LulaMay]

81. Oh yes, THAT'S what I said! Thanks for telling me. My silly feminine brain gets so confused.

[Umbram]

146. Wow, can't even counter without calling that poster a sexist. Nice! (nt)

[zulchzulu]

265. I'll buy you one of these

[bigbrother05]

41. I wish they would Level the playing field

[NDambi]

42. Don't jump! Come down off the cross....

[LulaMay]

67. Hey, Look On the Bright Side of Life....make a woman a friend, today.

[NDambi]

90. I have a few..not looking for more..especially not the kind of women that walk around

bent over all day from carrying "the" cross...

The woman I associate with know who they are, where they are going and how to tackle the world and its issues without crying "sexism" at every turn of the wheel of fortune letter block!

[LulaMay]

110. Not looking for any more huh? Guess you really like them.

[NDambi]

125. Don't need any more female friends..all filled up here..thanks though

[LulaMay]

200. I'm sure they don't need you either.

[NDambi]

210. La La La Lula May...good for them...were even..now go burn that cross and watch your fingers

[LulaMay]

233. I haven't got one, can I borrow yours? And how do you KNOW I even HAVE fingers?

Maybe I'm a reptile, like I'm sure you believe women are descended from.

[NDambi]

248. La La Lula Belle..a reptile? Not me, I'm descended from a beautiful African Queen

but if you have no "fangas" then watch your tongue or your toes...all the typing you do..it can't be good..if you don't you'll be prone to either toe cramps or halitosis!

Bad outcome, either way...so watch out there now!

[LulaMay]

278. The boat, or Nefertiti? You don't scare me.

[NDambi]

290. Probably the boat of one your ancestors...not so distant too boot..and

who's trying to scare you...does my black skin scare you Luda. Come, don't be silly La La La Luda..and the African Queen I speak of is my mother...what or who are you descended from? Now that is the question.

[LulaMay]

301. What not to distant boat? Cuba? Vietnam? Carnival? Go ahead and accuse me

of being a racist, just because you don't like what I'm saying about sexism. Maybe you're the one whose afraid of confronting that. A lot of women are.

The truth is you don't know me at all, or things I've done.

I've fought against both racism and sexism my whole life, called names in HS for standing up to racist BS....names I'm sure you can imagine.


I am a mutt, part Irish, French, Italian, and Choctaw Indian.

[NDambi]

309. Who called you a racist...La La..put down the cross...I know its awful heavy

You've done some things well, well good for you Luda...keep doing them..

Now, why would you say, "I don't scare you?" Where oh where did that come from...all because I said I came from an African Queen?

You need some Clorox..you left some dirt behind..you might want to scrub it some more...for that squeaky clean effect...

Btw, I wish I did know you, I would help you unhook that cross...so you could avoid osteoporosis later on..

As far as sexism. I don't need to run around like the sky is falling..

[OhioBlue]

51. I'm a woman and I think your post is full of crap

And, don't pretend to speak for me. There is true sexism in the workplace. There is discrimination, I point stuff out and call people on it all the time. What doesn't help is women running around blaming their own shortcomings on sexism. Hillary did not run a good campaign. She is not that likable - and fair or not, that it important to run for POTUS. She hasn't improved her negatives.

And... I see through your tactic. You are only trying to use this as some kind of insane defense for the racist strategy being used by the Clinton campaign. That is crap and you know it. We are better than that.

And the little comments that you use as examples of sexism very weak.

[Political Heretic]

88. wow...... thank you for your honesty

[bellasgrams]

94. I can tell by your post that you havn't bothered to watch any

of Hillary's appearances. If you had you wouldn't feel that way. If you watch a couple of times you'll see she's not only smarter than alot of men now in office, much more qualified than BO. You'll find her witty, caring, friendly, down to earth, good sense of humor, very friendly, someone you could talk to, not a snob or someone who looks down her nose at you. Like one of the candidates does. Very concerned about children and womens issues. She is absolutely not racist and anyone with half a brain would know that no politician is going to do or say anything racist. Unfortunately, BO likes to play race to the hilt, and he gets a pass on it because people are afraid they'll be called racist if they mention it. For example what just happened to GF.

[OhioBlue]

129. I've watched her so much I can see her with my eyes

closed and hear her voice when I read her quotes. I've watched her on the Senate floor giving hawkish special order speeches - how likable and caring did you find her then? Or her "shame on you Barack Obama" moment or the mocking tirade about the sky opening up - she has been very condescending, and it doesn't matter if I like her or not - her negatives are high among the public. When she goes into rants like she has been it reinforces her negatives.

And, to tell you the truth I don't think she is racist. That is why my heart breaks that she has sold soul in her quest for power and used this strategy. GF - I think she truly might be racist. Her comments most certainly were.

Do you live in rural, white Ohio or PA? If you do, then you HAVE to know why they were racist.

[CitizenRob]

509. *applause* well said OhioBlue.

You know, you just touched on it for me. I too do not believe Hillary is a racist, and I too find it beyond belief that she would sink to using racist tactics to win.

[Catherina]

410. Thanks Sister n/t

[Ino]

52. Good grief

'he can't tell who he's running against'
'shes likable ENOUGH'
'monster'

are not sexist. This is a stretch, and makes your whole argument ridiculous.

The "feeling down" comment is questionable -- maybe, maybe not -- but if that's all you've got, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

55yo woman speaking here, and you don't speak for me.

[LulaMay]

56. Charlie Brown?

[Beregond2]

58. Feminism

You are the worst kind of "feminist," the kind that sees everything through that filter. You can't see when your candidate is behaving in disgusting ways because of it. You completely misinterpret any criticsm of her because of it. You are blind to all other kinds of prejudice because of it. You are a monomaniac, and an embarrasment to your cause.

Feminism, properly understood, is about fairness. It isn't an all-purpose weapon to be used to hack anyone to death who happens to anger you.

[SoCalDem]

127. Yes.. feminism was about women becoming doctors if they wanted to

and not being told they could be a nurse..but NOT a doctor

or that they could be a "secretary", but not an administrative assistant

or that classes were unavailable to them because the boys "needed" those classes more

or that the girls could play ring-toss & do jumping jacks in the wrestling room, because the boys "needed" the gym

or that a man "needed" to be paid more because HE had to support a family

real feminists fought for a chance to be equal to men..not to usurp men

once a woman HAS equality, it's up to her to not squander it, by alternately playing the seductress and then crying harrassment or by being tough and mean one minute and weepy & helpless the next..

If you plan to dish it out, you have to be ready to accept incoming.. and not use the "girl" defense..

Some feminists want it both ways..no wonder some people are confused..

[LaurenG]

66. Spreading viscous propaganda about Senator Obama, will get you nothing

There is still sexism in the world but it isn't coming from him.

He may have his flaws but being sexist is not one of them. Sheesh LulaMay!

[LulaMay]

71. His own comments are propaganda huh?

[LaurenG]

You see EVERYTHING as sexist

I understand that there are sexist comments still being made all the time but nothing in your op was sexist.

He cannot save you from sexism and neither can Hillary. Do you think that we can't find sexism in what Senator Clinton has said if we use your guidelines?

There is something very suspicious about things that you post here, starting with deciding that monster was sexist. This is becoming disturbing, and I am getting a really bad feeling about all of it.

[LulaMay]

279. No, but it's disgusting how it runs through the world like a polluted river.

[LulaMay]

280. You are a joke, suggesting I'm some mole. You won't get any woman's name & phone number that way!

[LaurenG]

452. Are you being sexist?

Weird.

[TBF]

481. which comments?

[Iceburg]

96. Proudly kicking and recommending this truth ...

The OP is right -- unless this unrelenting sexism is addressed by the party -- this is the beginning of the end of the Democratic party.

[Fox Mulder]

68. Please give me some evidence on how Obama has used sexism in his campaign.

I have yet to see any.

[LulaMay]

73. Read the post.

[americanstranger]

79. There are pretty much ZERO hard quotes in your post.

The OP seems to be a compendium of what you think are examples of Obama's sexism. You give no quotes or links to back any of it up.

Do that, and people may take your charges more seriously. Until then, get used to people (rightfully) pointing out that you've provided no factual basis upon which to argue that Obama or his campaign engages in sexist behavior.

- as

[LulaMay]

83. "Pretty much" huh? Thanks for validating my argument.

[americanstranger]

111. What?

Okay, let me re-phrase, because 'pretty much' was used to go easy on you:

There are precisely zero quotes in your OP.

I'm trying to engage you on a constructive level about why people (male and female) are taking issue with your post, and you want to quibble about a term I use in my post header?

Fine. Let me drill a little bit here.

'Women are asking why?' which women? Got names for these women? Want to provide links to these women who are asking why? Do you have verifiable quotes of these women who are asking why?

I do not buy it. It looks as though the only woman asking why is you and you've cobbled together what you think is an indictment of the Obama campaign, but it reads like an unverifiable mess that reflects your opinions, with zero facts to back any of it up.

Again - provides quotes, provide links, back up what you're saying. Or I'll have to conclude that you're doing nothing but grousing because Hillary clinton is not going to be the Democratic party's presidential nominee in the 2008 election.

There. Precise enough for you?

- as

[Fox Mulder]

107. I still don't see any evidence.

[americanstranger]

122. There isn't any.

She just keeps referring back to an fact-free OP which she thinks explains everything.

Koresh knows if someone posted an equivalent post about Hillary, she'd be in their shirt demanding three-party verification of every word, including 'and' and 'the.'

I'm getting a little sick of batting this one back over the net, personally.

- as

[K Gardner]

78. You are like a broken record, playing the same tired old song over and over.

[LulaMay]

86. Did you ever hear the story about the squeaky wheel? Guess not. Roll over, play dead, be dead.

[NanBo]

97. I don't expect you to play dead

But I sure as hell would appreciate it if you'd stop pretending you're the voice of women. It's damned insulting to all of us female Obama supporters. You speak for yourself, NOT FOR ME.

[SeaLyons]

101. for as long as it takes....

[LulaMay]

113. It's Women's History Month. They did, we should, we can! You bet!

[Vinca]

91. At what point did Obama, himself, say something like -

"Hillary wouldn't be where she is if she wasn't a woman."
"Hillary wouldn't be where she is if she hadn't been married to Bill."
"Hillary cries like a woman to drum up votes."
"Hillary is frightening other women into voting for her."
Anything like that? No. You're perpetrating lies in a sorry effort to make one candidate look bad in order to make the other look good. Garbage like this is only going to get us one thing: President McCain.

[LulaMay]

102. He said HE COULDN'T TELL WHO HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST. Hillary never said one thing you quoted.

And neither he nor party leaders have spoken up about the sexist crud others speaking for him or supporting him have said....like about her crying.

[Vinca]

117. If you will recall, earlier in the campaign, Bill was out there front and center,

24/7, going after Obama as if he, Bill, was the candidate. That's just fact. He started to make Hillary look insignificant and they pulled him back. That's what Obama's comment was in reference to. As for the quotes, where did I say anyone said them? I made them up as an illustration of things that would be considered sexist. Last time I checked, nothing like any of them had been said by Obama. If you're hanging your "sexist" charge on the statement about Bill, it's a pretty lame argument.

[stahbrett]

457. Why is that sexist?

There was Bill Clinton, former President of the United States, on the stump attacking Obama. So Obama makes a funny (to most people) little comment that he sometimes can't tell who he's running against. I don't see how the heck that is sexist whatsoever!

[SeaLyons]

98. Great Post

Thanks for posting...

Hillary for President!!!!

[bunnies]

99. I am SO SICK of WOMEN trying to make me feel oppressed.

You want me to feel like some poor, pathetic, victim of discrimination. Well you know what? I wont let you do it. If you want to see sexism in ever damn word or phrase you go ahead. But speak for yourself. You are not "WOMEN". And you certainly dont speak for me.
:nuke:

[LulaMay]

104. Too bad you're not tired of men making you feel that way. You could help.

[bunnies]

112. Right. Im just a poor little girl who's mind is programmed by men.

There you go again.

[LulaMay]

115. Kind of looks that way. Maybe you should reflect on it.

[bunnies]

120. And maybe you should reflect on your need to degrade women who dont share your views. nt

[americanstranger]

126. Bunnies, you rawk.

Just sayin.

- as

[bunnies]

156. awww.

Thanks stranger! :hug:

[LulaMay]

141. I didn't degrade you. I really meant that it's too bad and peraps you should reflect on it.

[bunnies]

151. You didnt degrade me by saying that I couldnt think for myself?

That MEN telling me how to feel is the reason for my views? You dont see that as degrading? Please.

[LulaMay]

186. I didn't say that. You just didn't like what I said.

[bunnies]

220. You: "Too bad youre not tired of men making you feel that way"

re-read our conversation & try again.

[Umbram]

152. Thank you for standing up to this bully

she, in her own self righteousness, honestly believes she can speak for every woman in America.

[LulaMay]

185. Oh Umbram, do you like mud wrestling? My bet is YES. Go get each other gals!

[bunnies]

224. So, the women who CHOSE to mud wrestle cant think for themselves either, right?

Personally, I respect women enough to respect their decisions.

[LulaMay]

234. It was a joke about men who try to divide women by pretending they're your friend.

[Umbram]

327. What? You don't even make sense...

[tammywammy]

506. Agreed!

Thanks. :)

[mimitabby]

103. bla bla bla bla bla

get over it. We figured this out in the 70's. Let's see some real references. Otherwise, shouldn't we really be upset about people dying in Iraq, McCain getting elected, the end of Salmon Fisheries
and the fact that there will probably be no jobs for your kids?

No, you'd rather whine about imagined sexism because your candidate happens to be a woman!

[LulaMay]

106. Thank for proving my point that women who protest will be called "whiners". Brilliant.

[CitizenRob]

505. Lula, but you are SHRILL and a WHINER, and it has nothing to do with being female.

But... I'd hate to shake up your world view, so carry on. Your shrillness, name calling, false accusations of sexism, and whining adds A LOT to the level of discussion on GD:P

[paperbag_ princess]

109. the demonization of Hillary is sexist imo

This is my opinion and perspective, but I think that the demonization that is going on is misogynistic.

I think that she is displaying what are traditionally seen as very strong male traits. I think that many people feel uncomfortable by this and are offended as a result. If she were a man, people would not freak out because she was playing hard ball.

What she is doing just seems worse because it is coming from a woman.


note: All of these calls of racism and sexism could be predicted. It is a really big deal to have the first black and the first woman up for president as serious candidates. All kinds of dust bunnies are going to have to be swept up and dealt with...those little nasties that were laying dormant, hidden under the rug.

The difference between true progressives and everyone else...is that we recognize that everyone has prejudices buried in their psyche and when they show up we deal with them and remove them....people that pretend that there is nothing wrong are either republicans or just playing progressive.

edited typos

[LulaMay]

121. Agreed. 100%

[americanstranger]

178. That's not necessarily true.

My wife is an IT professional. She holds a pretty high-level position in a major software corporation (hint: rhymes with 'Bike-rosoft').

She got to where she is through a lot of hard work, though knowing her shit, through standing up for her decisions when she had to.

In short, she's in her position because she displays what can be interpreted as male traits. Frankly, I am in awe of her ability, her focus, her attention to detail and her accomplishments. She has earned everything she has gained.

These are all wonderful traits, especially in the corporate world. It is the venue she has chosen in which to work, and she has excelled.

But this really has nothing to do with how I feel about Hillary Clinton. I will not argue for a minute that she is anything less than brilliant, she is extremely accomplished, and she has much to be proud of. Anyone who will argue that is arguing from ignorance.

Having said that, I think Hillary Clinton has run a terrible campaign. It has been devisive when it didn't need to be so. She has taken jaw-droppingly bad steps (her touting of John McCain as someone with the necessary experience to be president and letting Gerry Ferraro say the things she said with her apparent approval are the two most egregious ones), her campaign has been unnecessarily defensive. She has alienated a large bloc of Dem voters - not because she is a woman, but because she has run an inept campaign.

I judge presidential candidates largely on the efficiency, agility and adaptability of their primary campaigns, as that is a pretty good window into how their general campaign will be run. And while I will stand and cheer when the first American woman becomes president, I do not believe that Hillary Clinton is that woman.

Not because she's a woman. Because her judgment is illustrated by the people she surrounds herself with, and she has surrounded herself with people who are not up to the job of getting her elected president.

That's not a sexist thing. John Kerry did the same thing four years ago.

Barack Obama has run a campaign that is orders of magnitude better than Clinton's. He's better in an organizational capacity, he's proven to be a far better fundraiser (even without the traditional infrastructure that Gerri Ferraro is part of!), he's a more inspiring speaker, and it shows. He is leading not because he's black or because he's running a sexist campaign or because he's got a pastor who may be nuts. He's simply better at it than Hillary.

That's why I'm supporting Obama. If anyone here wants to judge my decision as sexist, I can't help that. But it sure makes me wonder how good their judgment is.

- as

[paperbag_ princess]

235. inept campaign does not explain the demonizing

There are many reasons not to support either candidate. I agree that her campaign has made misteps...I don't personally agree that this is proof of the type of president they would be. Ex: Gore and Bush

I would think that you are not one of the ones calling her names and acting like she is satan incarnate if all your posts are so calm and thoughtful.

[americanstranger]

246. I try not to do that.

Sometimes snark gets the better of me, but I consciously try not to use the usual denigrating terms that both sides fling around in here. I appreciate your noticing. :)

As for your Bush v. Gore comparison - that sort of proved my point, but it's not about what kind of president they turn out to be, just whether their campaigns are built to win in November.

I believe that Obama's use of Dean's 50 state strategy is a winner, and his campaign infrastructure has shown an ability to motivate and mobilize. IMO, that's exactly what we need to win in the GE.

I was not an early supporter of Obama - I was an Edwards guy until well after he dropped out (voted for him in the NY primary, even though he was no longer in the race at that point). But of the two remaining campaigns, Obama's seems the most efficient and adaptive, and I put a lot of stock into how a campaign is built and run, as you can probably tell.

- as

[paperbag_ princess]

259. I agree that the 50 state strategy is the future of our party

If Hillary can pull out a win, I hope that she has learned her lesson...sometimes it takes time for old dogs to learn new tricks...but I think she can learn.

[alcibiades_mystery]

116. Sexism is not "still OK" - since your initial statement was wrong

The rest of your post is immaterial.

[LulaMay]

119. May I simply laugh out loud at your ridiculous assertion while I think about Chris Matthews to start

?

[alcibiades_mystery]

195. Stop pretending you don't understand

It makes you look dishonest.

I didn't say sexism doesn't exist. I said it is not OK, and few people would say it is OK. Of course, you understood that. You're just pretending that I said something else to make your argument sound less laughable, which makes you a liar.

[LulaMay]

241. But I CAN'T help it! Women are SO COY! Its in our DNA...at least I thought Matthews said so.

[alcibiades_mystery]

250. You have no argument

So you prefer to go on with this line. It's disgraceful.

You're just a liar.

[LulaMay]

277. Now, how did I know you'd say that? Maybe I'm a WITCH!

[alcibiades_mystery]

325. Since you can't find anything sexist I ACTUALLY said, you're just gonna slime and lie

It's despicable.

[LulaMay]

385. You claim "SEXISM IS STILL NOT OK". I won't even bother with that. It's everywhere, and laughed at

[alcibiades_mystery]

413. The fact that it's everywhere (it is) doesn't make it OK

But I certainly won't stand for you putting it on me. You find something sexist that I said - not Chris Matthews, but ME. Otherwise, you're just a fucking liar.

You're so insistent on your ridiculous accusations that you can't even read straight.

[Recursion]

497. It's neat, in this subthread you never actually respond

You just make up sexist attacks against yourself, attacks alcibiades never made, and hope that will distract from the fact that you aren't offering any actual examples of sexist attacks against Senator Clinton.

[femrap]

402. What rock do you live under?

I can't even watch TV anymore because of the constant sexist crap. Are you dense...or do you just like your patriarchy so much, you refuse to raise your consciousness?

[Laelth]

130. Obama said he regretted what happened and he fired people for it.

He has not "gladly accepted" any sexism from which his campaign may have benefited (and I am not sure his campaign has gotten any benefit). Obama has apologized when things were done in his name that he felt were unjust, and he has fired those responsible.

That's a far cry more than Hillary has done under similar circumstances.

-Laelth

[LulaMay]

132. Respond to the remarks he's made. Having NOTHING to say about the media sexism is accepting it.

[Pawel K]

131. You guys are really doing yourself a big disservice

sexism is a real issue. Crying sexism everytime someone legitimately attacks your candidate makes the entire sexism movement look like a joke. Congratulations on that, you people must be proud.

But the facts have never stopped you guys from spewing your bullshit before so I'm sure you will be crying sexism again in the near future even though you have no been able to provide a single example of Obama's campaign being sexist. Again, you have no problem throwing this entire party under the bus to get Hillary elected, huh?

[LulaMay]

136. If only we listened to men like you about how to fight for equality, we'd have....nothing!

[Pawel K]

138. Great way to address my point

thank you for pointing out I have a penis, that clearly invalidates everything I say about sexism. Shit, having a penis must automatically mean I'm a sexist.

You people are fucking delusional, I can not believe how far you will go to win.

[LulaMay]

145. I thought so. BTW- scary how obvious it was to me that you were a MAN huh?

[Pawel K]

150. Yeah, gee, my name clearly must of not given you any clue

I guess you are just that good, you can smell sexism over the intertubes.

Are you listening to yourself?

[LulaMay]

181. Your brand DOES smell. Frankly, I just noticed the 'cute' take on 'Paul' (I guess that's it?)

[americanstranger]

193. It's a European spelling.

Common in Poland, I believe.

- as

[LulaMay]

203. Huh, who knew? Well, it went right by me Pawl. That isn't what clued me in.

[Pawel K]

240. Bingo. Lula is clearly racist against Polish people for not knowing that. Her kind stinks.

I guess 2 can play this game. But I'll take the high road and leave it here.

[LulaMay]

243. Now how am I to know Polish Paul's are Pawels? I feel so, so ignorant! How can everyone know that

except for me?

I'm ashamed.

[Pawel K]

260. You're not very good at spotting sarcasm, are you?

You need help, please go out and seek it.

[LulaMay]

281. I'm so much better at writing it. Sorry you're so disturbed.

[femrap]

406. Well....at least the poster didn't tell

everyone how small it is. Be grateful.

[Pawel K]

456. very classy of you, bravo.

[Shae]

395. For a "feminist," LulaMay, you are awfully damned catty.

[Upton]

133. All talk, nothing concrete

how do you expect your assertions to be taken seriously?

[LulaMay]

137. Respond to his remarks. Respond to media remarks and the FACT it's hugely male dominated.

[Upton]

149. In your HRC fervor you're seeing things that aren't there

period. Putting your standard into practice, just about anything could be interpreted as sexist. Sorry, but I'm not going for it.

[LulaMay]

204. I know! I'm so HYSTERICAL! Call Dr. Freud! We've got another hysterical woman here!

[haymakeragain]

134. Did anybody consider the fact that Hillary and Ferraro are not

that likable? I mean, Feraro comes across as just plain mean and angry. So are you saying that no matter who is put up as a "woman" candidate we must like her and give her unyielding support just because she is a woman? That would be sexist.

And don't go to the racist card saying Obama gets a free pass because he's black, because Al Sharpton sure doesn't get that pass. Nor does Jessie. Or Obama's preacher for chrissakes.

Obama is treated the way he is treated because people like him.

[crawfish]

139. Geez. On the contrary,

The ONLY reason she's in the game right now is BECAUSE she's a woman. No white male could get away with her voting record in the Democratic party. No white male could overcome the negative aspects of her campaign. The only thing she has to stay afloat with is sexism, and you guys are pushing it for all its worth.

When I take gender out of the equation, there is NO reason to vote for Clinton. At all.

[Umbram]

143. Lula, once again, speaks for all women. (nt)

[LulaMay]

147. I try to do my part. So many are SILENCED on a daily basis.

[Umbram]

157. Like those women you are bullying above? You are just burning heretics right and left.

As the self-proclaimed prophet of all women, you are fighting the good fight.

[LulaMay]

208. Divide and conquer Umbram, divide an conquer. Do you like Monster Truck w/ your mud wrestling?

[Umbram]

338. You are offensive.

How is that not different than me asking a similarly rediculous question like "Do you like knitting while you are not waiting on your husband?"

Do you even agree that those are both offensive?

[Pawel K]

171. lol. you do know he was being sarcastic right?

Clearly I'm a sexist pig for pointing that out to you.

[LulaMay]

212. I wasn't. I don't think it's funny that women are silenced. and clearly, you are.

[Pawel K]

242. No, I think its funny you actually think you are a spoke person for all women

and you seriously think this?

How fucking irrational can you get? I'm actually sucked in to responding to you to see how much more absurd you can get.

There is nothing funny about sexism, you are totally right about that. So why are you making a mockery out of it?

[AZBlue]

348. Oh hell no. I'm a strong woman who doesn't keeping crying & whining that big strong men are mean!

"Oh boo hoo...I'm just a woman and men are soooooo awful to me! Poor pitiful me!"
No thanks - that completely eradicates any advances women have ever made.

[dionysus]

144. or, people just don't like her as a candidate....

why is that so damned hard for you to grasp?
:shrug:

[LulaMay]

159. Sure, that's all it is. Can you address one single point in my post? Why not at least try?

[dionysus]

164. your entire post is a straw-woman

you are contending that the only reason she's losing is because of sexism. The main reason she's losing is that she's a shitty, divisive candidate, who can't campaign her way out of a wet paper bag.

[LulaMay]

214. hahaha Straw-WOMAN. I get it, it's a Straw-WOMAN because I'm a woman! Brilliant take on a word.

You should write for Comedy Central!

[LulaMay]

161. PS- Is that how you explain all the women and men voting for her? We like her a lot.

[dionysus]

166. your bogus point is that everyone who doesn't support her is sexist.

you're being absurd.

[cali]

148. Who the hell are you to speak for women? I'm a woman and you

sure as fuck don't speak for me. Your arrogance makes me sick.

[LulaMay]

154. A woman. I speak to our oppression, I speak for myself. Obviously I don't speak for you.

[AZBlue]

349. I'm not oppressed. Remove the chains you put on yourself and you won't be either.

[ampad]

153. This woman is not asking

This woman is not asking because pretending to be outraged over fake sexism is not doing anything but hurting women. I love how some of you like to trump sexism over racism. I wonder how many of you had to deal with both racism and sexism, probably not many. Oh for the record neither racism or sexism is acceptable but for some of you women to pretend that white women have it so hard compared to black men and or black women is down right funny. As I said before try being a black woman for a couple of days then come and tell me about it. Or better yet try being a black woman in a white, male, dominated field such as the military then come and tell me about it.

No you are not entitled to have your candidate based on the fact that your candidate shares the same gender as you. Once again you are not entitled. That is what it all comes down to doesn't it? Entitlement, you feel that it is your turn and if your turn is taken away your going to burn the entire house down, your going to fling sexism and feminism for all it is worth. By the time you are done the term sexism and feminism will be long gone from the dictionary.

I have to admit this all would be funny to me if I didn't have two daughters and one on the way. You see, for some of us women sexism is the least of our worries. Some of you behave as if sexism is the worry of all women so you fling it around with little mercy or regard. Sexism is the root of the worlds problem? Really, honestly, it is that deep for you? What I see are a bunch of women getting pissed off because as I said before they feel entitled to this election. For the last couple of days I have seen much racism but I have yet to witness this sexism you keep bringing up. Maybe that is because I have to deal with totally different issues than you average white woman. I have worked in a male dominated field and dealt with sexism often but not as often as I dealt with racism. Maybe my eyes are just not open enough although I doubt that is the case.

Some of you have taken your sense of entitlement to the 9th degree which is really sad. I feel that after the last 8yrs of war and destruction that my family is entitled to nothing more than a decent president. I don't care if they have more melatonin a penis a vagina or what I just want someone competent and that is what I based my vote on. After watching all those fake Christian vote for a man based on his proclamation that he himself was a Christian I have learned a very important lesson. Issues, issues, issues, are all that matter.

I think maybe if you let go of some of your anger you would be a happier person.

[DarienComp]

158. It's posts like these

that lead me to believe that whenever Clinton supporters accuse Obama (or Obama supporters) of "playing the race card", it's nothing more than massive psychological projection that goes a little something like this:

"Hey, we only support Hillary because she's a woman, so of course they only support Obama because he's black."

But I don't see any "African Americans are asking Why" posts, or any "Don't criticize Obama, it's Black History Month" posts.

[LulaMay]

165. that bring the ugliness of it all out into the light of day.

[DarienComp]

175. sure does.

[Zookeeper]

160. This campaign has exposed a great deal of misogyny.

I just had an argument with someone who used the words, "old hag" to describe Ferraro, yet didn't think it was sexist. Nevermind, that he could have made his point by saying, "Ferraro is a racist." No "old" or "hag" necessary. Unfortunately, that was the also the predominate terminology used by posters on the NYTimes blog.

My daughter has reported that her HS classmates call Clinton, "a bitch" or "a c**t." (However, they can't explain their reason for that opinion when asked.) They could say, "I don't like her." Or, "I think she's awful."

She has also heard that Clinton shouldn't be President because, "She'll get her period and blow up the world."

Folks, even you Obamites can imagine the fall-out if the racist counterparts of those terms were used toward Obama. The young man who made the "period" comment would never dare to use a racist stereotype to explain why Obama shouldn't be President.

Aside from the campaigns, anyone who can't see the ugly misogyny exposed over the last few months, is stupid or being willfully ignorant.

[LulaMay]

170. Amazing how those who deny the sexism blurt it out when they get so angry, isn't it?

[Umbram]

183. Sexism is real. That doesn't make the OP any less rational. nt.

[LulaMay]

228. Umbram, you're not fooling anyone. You're 'The Great Pretender'.

[Umbram]

163. Women, gather around. Meet your new Messiah

She will speak for you.
If you do not agree with her - you can not be redeemed and have submitted to the slavery of men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_complex_%28self-concept%29

[LulaMay]

169. Did you know the oldest hat in the book is to try and divide women like that? It isn't working.

[Umbram]

172. Did you know the oldest hat in the book is trying to divide democrats like this? It isn't working.

[LulaMay]

176. Oh yes, it's always been women's goal to divide Democrats! and Hey, get your own lines!

[Umbram]

187. No not "women" LULA, you are NOT WOMEN. You are LULA.

I know this comes as a shock to you, but you are still one human being with an opinion. You do not represent women. Plenty of women have posted here and called you on your holier than thou B.S.

Get a grip - you are ONE person that is a WOMAN with ONE opinion like I am ONE person with ONE opinion.

[Umbram]

191. Please admit that you are A WOMAN and not ALL WOMEN and that we can have a 1-on-1 conversation. (nt)

[Umbram]

206. Alright, I'll assume the 3.6 BILLION women's voices in your head couldn't agree (nt)

[LulaMay]

179. BTW- No argument from you there, huh? Intent is eveything.

[Umbram]

189. I don't need to argue - I am not insane.

I don't believe anyone on a message board can divide anyone. I'm not a freaking movie star, I'm ONE person on an internet board.

Your own self-importance has lead you to believe you are changing the world in here. I don't have any such illusion.

I'm not going to change a mind. You are not going to change a mind. Get a grip.

[LulaMay]

236. Don't get so mad! You can change if you want. I'm just trying to be nice about it.

I bet you ARE a movie star! Don't put yourself down.

Buy I do think you're right that you aren't going to change a mind. Your manipulation skills need honing, since you can't be honest and tell the truth.

The truth always makes people sit up and take note,even as they struggle within themselves.

Telling the truth changes the world, albeit slowly when the problem is so ingrained.

But, it can't be stopped.

[Umbram]

244. So, you are just interested in manipulating people?

Personally, I just like to have conversations.

I haven't lied - I've said I think you are crazy. That's not a lie, that's an opinion.

I've had many, many good discussions with people I disagree with and I have learned a great deal from them, and possibly someone has learned something from me.

I can't imagine having that sort of discourse with you. Nobody has anything to offer you. People that disagree with you are "liars" or are brainwashed.

[EFerrari]

167. As a feminist, I don't want someone who plays victim when it's convenient

and forgets about me every other day of the week.

This has been a moment of truth for Clinton and she's failed miserably.

[LulaMay]

173. She is a rock. Nothing rattles her, and she is as gracious. Her strength infuriates people because

only men are supposed to have that trait, show it, embody it.

You should think about how she has responded throughout, and how ridiculous your notion is.

[EFerrari]

180. I know too well how she has behaved. That anyone can defend her

after she's acted out every horrible stereotype is nauseating.

Claiming credit for HER HUSBAND'S work, using emotion to manipulate her audience, using ridicule when she must be the world's worst actress, prevaricating when her campaign was out race baiting, lying and lying and lying about her positions, not taking responsibility for her records and outright hiding it.

There's nothing ridiculous about that, "LulaMay".

[femrap]

409. It's 1972, Humphrey v. McGovern

McGovern carried what? One state. I see similarities to today with HRC as Humphrey and BO as McGovern.

I simply don't see BO as electable. The repugnants are dying to run against him...why do you think the MSM is pushing him?

He has had NOTHING thrown at him. His minister will scare the hell out of people. Rezko. HRC has treated him with kid gloves compared to what Rove will do to him.

I just don't see it. And after women have been trashed in this primary, I doubt if the Dem women will rush out to vote for him. Many feel betrayed.

Americans may say they want 'change.' But they don't vote that way.

[EFerrari]

468. No, it's not. There's barely any sunlight between Obama and Clinton's positions.

And women have not been trashed in the primaries. You seriously need a reality check.

[femrap]

472. You wanna iron my shirts? The discussion

of HRC's cleavage...her laugh...her ankles. I guess millions of women in this country need a reality check. Even Tweety had to apologize to her about his comments. Oh...pimping her daughter. Every women has had her physical body ridiculed and knows how it feels. Maybe we're just no longer willing to suck their short cocks anymore. Enough is enough.

Don't tell me what to see and think.

BO has let his supporters and the MSM who kisses his ass do all the ugly lifting on the sexism. As has the Democratic Party. Women have been the backbone for this party for years. If the party decides to treat our concerns as trivial, that's how we'll treat the party. BO just sits back and says nothing. I find him arrogant and overly ambitious and to be honest, with those 7 'present' votes, I don't think women and children are much of a priority to him.

He's not electable. He has no experience.

I don't know if you remember, but we used to have a somewhat friendly relationship. I am putting you on Ignore because you don't even seem remotely close to the poster I saw in the past.

[EFerrari]

474. So now Obama is held responsible for the Republican media?

That's hilarious.

Obama has more direct experience in government than our Hil does, even though it would kill you to admit it. Even *while* her taking credit for Bill's regressive policy seems to be a problem for her.

Obama seems pretty safe from your projecting all over him just as I will be on your ignore list.

[saltpoint]

400. She isn't a rock. Her campaign strategists are dumb as rocks, though.

"Gracious" is not the first adjective that pops to mind for Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Her campaign is is the political equivalent of a fishscraper.

There's been absolutely nothing gracious about it.

[LulaMay]

174. PS- ALL the qualities needed of a Commander if Chief!

[EFerrari]

184. I don't want a CIC who takes a poll before coming up with a "sincere" response.

No thanks.

[MadBadger]

182. There you go again

EVERYTHING is Sexist.

[EFerrari]

190. They've nearly emptied the word of meaning entirely.

Clinton and her zombies have set the womens' movement back 25 years. And that's another reason that I loathe her and them.

[Umbram]

197. This is very true

How is sexism going to be taken seriously after these people turn it into a joke?

If you even disagree with the OP one is called a sexist. There's no intellectualism here - it's so harmful to any meaningful discourse on inequality in this country...

[EFerrari]

205. I don't know about you, but my grandmother, my mother and I all

had to fight serious fights around sexism. They were fights over survival.

To read the way this term is tossed around like so much junk is so revolting.

[Umbram]

209. I don't know - the 3.6 billion people Lula represents can't all be wrong. (nt)

[femrap]

418. 7 'present' votes on Choice.

Has rape declined? Violence against women down? Women's salaries are down in relation to men's. Only 2 women as CEOs of Fortune 500s. No insurance coverage for birth control, but viagra is covered.

Ever since Raygun, the women's movement has faced a huge Backlash....W has spit in the faces of working women. He told the Bureau of Labor Statistics to end the category of 'working women.'

Maybe you are all comfy now, but let me tell you there are millions of women out there fighting to keep their heads above water...who do you think was hurt most by this sub-prime fiasco?

And women still fight in the courts to keep their children in cases of divorce. It's still a battle to get child support.

So glad to see that you're all taken care of living out in nice San Fran while others work for $7/hour to keep a roof over her head in El Paso.

No one has fought harder for women and children than HRC...her entire career...who stepped up for Plan B in the Senate...HRC and Patty Murray...none of the boys would stick their puny necks out on that one.

I'll be honest...I don't think BO gives a rat's ass about women and children. He seems alot like his father. Ambitious to a fault.

[EFerrari]

467. You have no idea what you're talking about so please take that

paper tiger for a walk. I won't even start on ambition in this contest. It's clearly not worth it.

[femrap]

473. Do you read? His record in IL....

SEVEN 'PRESENT' VOTES ON CHOICE. I thought you had a brain....

Are you too caught up in chanting 'yes i can' to review his record?

buh bye.

[EFerrari]

475. For your info "sister", I haven't had a full time job in a year and a half.

So comfy am I. The whole time I was working with Brad for Beach Impeach I was also struggling to feed everyone with no help at all from anyone. So take your idiotic charge of privilege and plant it somewhere.

And during the decade I was a caretaker for my ill family member, I had no social net because women are expected to come through without support. Got it?

I was one of those minimum wage workers for fifteen years, from the time I was old enough to get a work permit at 12.

I have not decided to vote for that monster of your dreams. He just seems marginally better than someone who resorts to race baiting. I'll be happy to be the un-recipient of your misplaced anger.

When Hillary tanks from her incompetence, I hope you keep me on that list.

[femrap]

422. LOL...but I thought BO and his

fans were all about Unity? And now you loathe women Dems because they support a woman who has worked for women and children her entire career?

Just another hateful hypocrite.

[EFerrari]

476. Thanks.

[Thepricebreaker]

207. I guess you want a manhole cover to be called a personhole cover now??

[Umbram]

213. Don't debase feminism just because the OP is full of it. (nt)

[LulaMay]

218. Oh Umbram, again, a TRUE male friend to women....Really, really you are, right?

[Umbram]

223. Care to state that as an intelligible question?

And define exactly what a "friend to women" is. EXACTLY.

If it has to be someone that agrees with you, no I am not, nor are the many women who have spoken against your rants.

You seem to be defining women as only those who think exactly like you. I am no friend of yours, so, without doubt you have already defined me as a hater of all women.

*shrugs*

[LulaMay]

219. It's hard to try and keep the lid on! Don't you just hate the guys who ruin it for the rest of you?

[Umbram]

227. I judge individuals by their merits. You should give it a try. (nt)

[Iceburg]

215. Sewer cap -- wow...just 3 syallables. I'm sure with a little practice you'll get the hang of it/nt

[skooooo]

216. ignored list

[LulaMay]

222. It's so easy to ignore what you don't want to confront. The click of a mouse these days!

[purji]

232. as a woman

please seek help .

[stevenleser]

217. Welcome to my ignore list.

Bye

[LulaMay]

221. OH Steve, NO, Puhhhlease don't leave me! Your breaking my heart! How can you be so cruel?!

[EFerrari]

245. Another "feminist" tries to manipulate her way to her goal.

Go, Lula!

:rofl:

[adoraz]

231. this shit again?

my God. Get a life people.

[LulaMay]

237. ie: Women speaking up about sexism = Oh shit!!!

[EFerrari]

238. Political opportunists hiding behind women = oh, puke!

[adoraz]

239. oh give me a break

EVERYTHING is sexism to some here. EVERYTHING. Women here must have some serious problems or something in their personal lives since they are constantly referring to sexism when there often is none. And no, that wasn't code for PMS in case anyone is going to start crying over it. I mean severe problems with males in their lives to make them become so bitter over every little thing.

There has been more sexism from Hillary supporters anyways. Its just ridiculous.

[LulaMay]

247. Well, sorry folks, I've gotta run. Talk amongst yourselves. Discuss.

[EFerrari]

249. You better run after this disgusting display.

[walldude]

257. Don't worry she'll be back she still has 2 threads left..

God forbid a day doesn't pass where she posts her 3 "feminist" threads calling out DU'ers for being sexist... :eyes: :rofl:

[EFerrari]

258. What a bunch, walldude.

I'm going to go have a feminist heave. Stay good. :)

[walldude]

262. You too kiddo....

I'll be around tonight. Right now I need to go bash on the guitar for awhile, take out my frustrations...

[goletian]

251. you make feminism seem as if its just an appeal to pity

hillary has run a very nasty, divisive campaign. shes had it easy (imagine if she were mccain tryin to pull the same shit). consider her very, very lucky shes had it this easy.

[elehhhhna]

252. cheer up. maybe Condi will run in 2012

[LulaMay]

273. How do you know? Are you her campaign advisor? Thank for nothing!

[elehhhhna]

460. No, but we women MUST stick together, eh?

[NeedleCast]

253. Sounds Like All You Need

is a hammer and some nails to go with your cross.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

255. How did she beat the White Man, John Edwards??

Cry me a river.

[LulaMay]

276. Would you like to address the TOPIC of sexism, or are replies that make no sense your specialty?

[EFerrari]

261. This thread has 20 recommendations. Lowest common denominator,

your table is ready!

:woohoo:

[LaurenG]

266. I believe that there is something fishy about this sexist meme

I am getting a really bad feeling reading this stuff. Who and what is behind deciding that anything that is said with the pronouns she and her attached to it is sexist. It has also been written that the word monster when added to the name of a female is sexist. Just FYI. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

267. It's bullshit and it demeans the project so many of us have been working

for years.

I didn't work for womens' rights for most of my adult life for Hillary Clinton to use it as a lever in her tanking campaign.

[LaurenG]

268. Thank you for all you do!

[LulaMay]

294. "The Project"?! What IS this mysterious project, and WHO are you? Report to Ohio Blues at once!

[LulaMay]

269. Are you kidding me?! 'Something fishy'? I am A woman who left NOW because of kowtowing to Dem men.

[LulaMay]

270. PS-Is that how you try to discredit any woman who says what you don't like? We're a CABAL?

Witches, around a kettle somewhere?

Plotting and planning.........what exactly?

GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK.

[saltpoint]

396. Don't be silly. Women don't have cabals.

[EFerrari]

469. That's right. We have covens.

:evilgrin:

:hi:

[LulaMay]

272. Oh My GOD! You're right! I checked into it and WOMEN are behind this!! Holy crap!

[LulaMay]

271. Now it has 24, and climbing. Strange tho, lately they've 'disappeared'. Do u think its a conspiracy?

[Moochy]

283. Thats the average # of active hillbots on in a 12 hour period

[LulaMay]

293. and they're so welcome around here! Why don't we stick around for the party more?!

[Moochy]

297. hillbots have to be serviced at night to recharge

their tanks full of lies and smears.

[LulaMay]

308. SO, we're robots/femme-bots who need 'servicing' huh? Wonder WHY u don't like protests about sexism

[Moochy]

312. Hillbots are gender-neutral

But they come in male and female skins. All to make the guests of DU's Westworld ( GD : P ) believe that there are living breathing posters with actual opinions!

I see that you were serviced, and got your CAPSLOCK button fixed...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5060081&mesg_id=5060081

[Moochy]

274. The OP has a bad case of

Victim Envy.

[LulaMay]

284. What exactly is this new condition you speak of, "victim envy"? People envy victims?

[Moochy]

289. Good thing both candidates support health care reform

It's a condition afflicting many of your blind partisan allies who think Hillary can do no wrong, and covet Barack's "Luck" at being black.

I think you should take a little break, your ridiculous self-kicking posts are getting tiresome.

[LulaMay]

295. Too bad one of them is dishonest about his plan being 'universal'. My best friend doesn't have ins.

so I really don't appreciate it.

[Hepburn]

282. Your whining is very tiresome....especially when you have the...

..chutzpah to think you are speaking for all women. Please count me out of your totally unintelligent remarks...they are an embarrassment to those of us who truly are independent and strong.

JMHO

[LulaMay]

286. I think I'm just making a certain crew of you REALLY MAD because I'm spot-on and amusing.

[Moochy]

292. "certain crew"

the day shift, and soon the night shift!

[LulaMay]

302. Well, it DOES seem to be about the same people each time who get so mad.

[Moochy]

306. The others have done the right thing

and added you to ignore.

[Hepburn]

313. Not anymore, Lulu....

...welcome to my IGNORE list. There are enough wack jobs around without having to see you, too.

:hi: Bu-bye!

[Hepburn]

310. Please take some remedial classes in reading comprehension, OK?

Embarrassed and angry are not synonymous. :eyes:

You are spot-on wacko, IMO.

[AZBlue]

350. Spot on and amusing? No...you're like the Moral Majority: NEITHER.

[CreekDog]

285. Bud Dry.

:beer:

[LulaMay]

288. No thanks, I just had a Newcastle. OMG! Maybe I'm with that UK paper that reported the Monster quip!

[LulaMay]

291. Ohio Blues seems to think I'm from SOMEWHERE, dark and mysterious. Talk about paranoid.

[Moochy]

298. Lula May gets some shut eye

[EffieBlack]

303. You might want to edit your question to read "WHITE women are asking why"

Since the term "women" applies to women of all races, including black women, most of whom don't seem to be asking this question.

[LulaMay]

314. Since it's Woemn's History Month, a few names...Shirley Chisholm, Sojourner Truth, Maxine Waters...

A LOT of black women for a long damn time have asked "WHY" sexism is accepted and racism understood and protested more by men.

Divide and conquer doesn't help us, you're just playing into their hands.

[EffieBlack]

321. Please provide the exact quotes in which these women said any such thing?

When have any of these women claimed that "sexism is accepted {while} racism is understood and protested more by men?"

Please be specific.

[Umbram]

326. I'm afraid you are wasting your time

This poster doesn't engage in any sort of rational dialog.

[femrap]

429. Shirley Chisholm

said she experienced more discrimination because of her sex than her race. She also said: "Men are men."

Maxine Waters and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones both support HRC.

Is that specific enough for you?

You must be young.

[EffieBlack]

454. No - it is NOT specific enough for me because it did not answer my question.

And how does the fact that Maxine Waters and Stephanie Tubbs Jones prove that Shirley Chisholm, Sojourner Truth and Barbara Jordan ever claimed that "sexism is accepted and racism understood and protested more by men."

And no, I am not young. I'm a grown-assed woman who is old enough, mature enough and savvy enough to know what I'm talking about.

[femrap]

461. Then I'm sure you are capable of reading all

about the sisters who made your path on this planet much easier. You like living in Patriarchy, that's your choice. I truly wish I could put on the blinders and not see how many of our brothers tear us down.

I think I'll put you on Ignore. Willful ignorance hurts everyone.

[EffieBlack]

483. Please put me on ignore. That would make things so much easier for both of us.

[LulaMay]

316. PS- You might want to ask the black women listening to Rev. Jeremiah Johns how they felt when he

said women, Hillary, aren't called names.

[HuffleClaw]

304. *yawn*

haven't we had enough of this crap?

[LulaMay]

317. Protests about sexism are "crap", are they? Wonder what side of the fence you're on.

[HuffleClaw]

331. what is 'crap' is the repeated claims that criticism of candidate X or Y is

A. sexist

or

B. racist

which is what we hear whenever one of them is criticized in the least. its tiresome.

[LittleClarkie]

305. Gender has nothing to do with why I don't support Hillary

This woman is not asking why.

And this woman is not voting for that woman just because she IS a woman.

Playing the gender card is not going to work on me.

[LulaMay]

319. Again, that's NOT the point...it is how she's been treated, and why it's ok for the media

[femrap]

423. But it's OK for black people to

vote for BO simply because he is black on his father's side. No one has a complaint about that, right?

[LittleClarkie]

477. Race plays no part in why I vote for Obama, just has gender plays no part in who I don't vote for

I was talking about myself. What others do, and why, is not my concern.

But have you talked to the black people who vote for Obama? All of them? You're that sure of their motivations? They vote for white people too. That must mean they betray themselves.

[AGirl]

307. K and R

[roseBudd]

315. As a woman I am becoming more than embarrassed by the silly never ever give it a rest twisted

arguments of the Clinton supporters.

And it then comes down to if I don't get my way, no more sex, except now it is votes

The women who die from illegal abortions will thank you very much

[LulaMay]

322. Commentary about sexism is "Silly and twisted" is it? My post is pretty easy to understand.

BTW- Dem/liberal men have held Roe V Wade over our heads like a threat for an eternity. At what poin do they get to trash us so much that it doesn't matter?


We NEED AN ERA, so they can't do it anymore.

[roseBudd]

330. White female voter for Obama, we are really getting tired of the white woman as victims gender card

White women were not lynched, burned, whipped, castrated, hosed, all to cheeering white crowds.

Rampages against white female towns never happened

White females were not raped by their owners.

I am sorry I just do not feel sorry for white women and I don't think white women are owed a presidency in the precise year of 2008

Elections are pesky things.

Reality bites

[LulaMay]

356. So now it's even WHITE WOMEN who are the problem? I wonder why people are saying THAT?

To pander to black women who also are upset by the sexism?

Bingo.

[femrap]

441. So because white women aren't castrated, we

don't get to be Prez? And considering that about 6 million white women were burned at the stake here and in Europe..does that count for anything?

White women were constantly raped by their owners...their rapists were their husbands and it was perfectly legal. And the same happened to black women.

Hell, if you want to elect a Prez based on discrimination, ELECT A BLACK WOMAN...HOW ABOUT MAXINE WATERS???!!!!

I'm all for that. I love her. She has worked hard for working women and children.

Just so you know, BO nor his family never encountered slavery. His father just desserted him and his white mother to go to Harvard where he married another white woman. Of course, he was already married to Kezia back in Kenya. He left her to go to US while she was 3 mons. pregnant.

Maybe Kezia should be Prez!

The fascists have succeeded....you have bought the 'Divide and Conquer' hook, line, and sinker. This will destroy the Dem Party.

Say hello to Prez McCain.

BO is not electable. Another McGovern.

[eShirl]

318. newsflash: you do NOT speak for all women

you are an embarrassment to me
speak for yourself

[LulaMay]

320. I speak for myself...and it is impossible to address sexism without speaking of the group:women.

But surely you know that.

[saltpoint]

408. You do speak for yourself, and not very well at that.

You certainly don't speak for others, you certainly don't speak for feminism, and you certainly don't even understand feminism if your tactic is this hysterical, all-men-are-sexists bullshit.

I'd post some more musings here, but I'm late for my Sexist Pig Oppressors for Obama meeting.

[LulaMay]

323. OK...I need to leave again. Hubby asked me to dinner. Talk Amongst Yourselves. Discuss.

[knixphan]

329. a list would help.

Since this is Obama-directed,

It would strengthen your argument to list the offenses you feel were committed by the Obama campaign, as another poster did earlier with what he felt were the Clinton smears.

A list of sexist actions or words by the Obama campaign would be easier to address than 'sexism at large'. Habeas-corpus-ish.

[EFerrari]

332. She admitted up thread she has no idea what the womens' movement is for.

Don't waste your time.

[LulaMay]

333. That is patently false, & u know it. The women's movement is our quest for equality & freedom.

[EFerrari]

376. LOL

[LulaMay]

334. This is not "Obama directed". It includes criticism of him, but is about the sexist media & party

leaders who are waging the attacks against her.

[LulaMay]

336. I listed 3 things he said up front. Today his pastor was incredibly sexist, on his behalf. Obama

must denounce it.

I also detailed certain events.

You shouldn't need a list of all the sexist media insults thrown at her.

[HopeforChange]

335. They're Asking WHY should they vote for Clinton just because she is a woman.

[LulaMay]

342. Women are not votinf for her "JUST because she's a woman". That is the biggest untruth out there.

We think she is a great candidate.

If you don't care about the subject of the post, which is serious, why bother responding?

[HopeforChange]

337. Yep, They're asking WHY they should vote for Clinton just because she is a woman

[LulaMay]

354. How entirely....repetitive, without answering the point.

[Blondiegrrl]

339. Wow, I had no idea the Obama supporters were all men.

*checks undies*

Um, nope. I'm definitely female.

For the 999th time: the numerous reasons I cannot stand Hillary Clinton have nothing to do with her gender!

[LulaMay]

353. "Checks undies"? Maybe you'd better look again if you think sexism isn't worth discussing.

[Blondiegrrl]

357. What I'm saying is quit blaming Clinton's unpopularity on sexism.

[LulaMay]

361. That is not what I wrote, and you know it. I wrote about the acceptance of sexism, male dom media,

read it again.

[Armstead]

340. All of those kind of remarks have been made againt men

We ourselves wonder if John McCain is emotionally stable enough to be Commander in Chief. He has mood swings y'know. What if he gets a call when he's in one of his "moods."

"Likable enough" could easily be said to a man in that circumstance.


As for the "doesn't know which he's running against.....Unless you;ve been living in a cave it's been pretty obvious that Obama is being double-teamed by the Clintons. That is just a reality.

[LulaMay]

343. Really? WHERE? He can't tell who he's running against? What male candidate has been said to 'get

desperate when their down'? Men don't speak about each other like that.

He intended to make her sound over emotional and hysterical.

Give me a break.

[Armstead]

370. The heck men don;t speak of each other like that

Have you been living on a desert island?

I've often heard male candidates being described as desperate when they're down.

I've heard John McCain described as emotional.

Give me a break. Don't read sexism into everything anyone says.

[LulaMay]

344. She's been called a b*tch, shrill, ugly, 'just a wife', a 'cackling' witch, Satan, monster...on & on

[Armstead]

367. There is no excuse for that.....But men get called the male equivalent of those nasty things

What are the terms we use here for GW Bush?

Rudeness is rudeness. That's not automatically sexism.

[LulaMay]

345. & Obama's pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright claimed she/women aren't called names. Wheres the OUTRAGE?

He was speaking in support of Obama. Obama has accepted his endorsement. Where is the apology from Obama, made personally, not by an aide?

I'm sure more than a few black women cringed to hear that.

They support their men, and then so often do not get the same consideration back.

[Moochy]

347. You got a Triple dip of nonsense!

Lula May liked your message enough to kick her own thread 3 times!

[LulaMay]

352. How is it nonsense 'Moochy'? Explain yourself. Refute what I detailed if it's wrong.

[Moochy]

355. Well "LulaMay" if that is your real name...

Well "LulaMay" I find you to be one of the most annoying, sanctimonius, and pusillanimous new crop of posters, whose only purpose seems to be to pollute the debate with your need for confused self-amusement.

[LulaMay]

360. You can't. You didn't even try. All you seem to do is post insults, some extremely vile.

[Moochy]

362. Whats vile is your insulting view of "feminism"

[TwilightGardener]

341. I am woman, hear me...

put you on "ignore"...

[LulaMay]

359. Roar, in numbers too big to ignore? We will.

[Moochy]

366. Numbers too big to ignore?

Let's test that theory... nope no problem. You were successfully added to ignore.

[LulaMay]

371. It was a Helen Reddy song about the women's movement.

[alphafemale]

453. roar..... my support for Obama. nt

[AZBlue]

346. Bullshit! Women ask why you want to weaken our sex with this crap?

THIS is sexism.

[LulaMay]

351. How do you explain Chris Matthews, Shuster, Obama's remarks, McCain laughing at HRC called a b*tch?

I guess women are just making it all up.

[Liberal In Texas]

363. No YOU ARE. You are a tired haggard

look for sexism thing for any reason. Most of it is made up.

You who have your profile hidden. You are discord. You post the silliest things as sexism and have no proof. I sit and read the attributions and scratch my head about what the fuck does that have to do with sexism.

You are a disrupter. I do not think that you are here to do anything but disrupt.

[LulaMay]

369. Amazing how sexists blurt out more sexism while arguing it doesn't exist. "HAGGARD? Hag"?

How embarrassing.

[anonymous171]

372. It's called a dictionary. The word "haggard" has nothing to do with "hag"

[LulaMay]

392. It's also not a noun. 'A haggard'? I think hag was clearly what was intended.

[Liberal In Texas]

375. Just my point.

You use Latin roots of a word to say it's sexism. I'm not even sure hag is a Latin root, but we go with that. I'm going to ignore the falconry definitions.


hag·gard (hāg'ərd)
adj.
1. Appearing worn and exhausted; gaunt.
2. Wild or distraught in appearance.

This would be the English definition of the word.


You either need a doctor with good meds, or your here to sew discord. I'm betting on the later.

[AZBlue]

379. Again, that's not sexist. You don't know what the word means.

Using a deragatory name to describe a woman is not necessarily sexist - as a matter of fact, more often than not, it's not sexist at all. It can be rude, impolite, impertinet, fresh, demeaning or unflattering, but it has to fit within a certain definition, which I've already given you, to be sexist.

[AZBlue]

374. You're just naming men's names. Is that what sexism is to you? Being male?

If you care to use any particular example, I'll be happy to address it. But, I don't see anywhere in this thread that you've been able to do that.

A bigger issue here is that you obviously don't know what the word sexism means. Calling someone a bitch is not sexist. It's rude, it's meant to demean, but it's not sexist.

Sexism: noun
1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; esp., such discrimination directed against women.

[LulaMay]

383. Funny, one of those "names' was suspended for his sexist remarks, another had to 'apologize' on air.

[Liberal In Texas]

399. Annother one of your cryptic replies.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?

Who was suspended? Who apologized?

You are full of nonsense.

[LulaMay]

404. Cryptic? Are you that unaware? Shuster was suspended. Matthews had to apologize. Come on!

[Liberal In Texas]

407. And that was in this line of thread how?

So, why is your profile hidden?

[LulaMay]

415. Most people here don't need details of the media attacks. I didn't know my profile was 'hidden'. But

if that means people like you can't find out where I live, I think I'll keep it that way.

[Liberal In Texas]

427. Yeah, I'm pretty dangerous. But you hide. For a reason, I'm sure.

Attribute what you say without assuming it is general knowledge. This is composition 101.

Every little statement to you is sexism. You manage to turn the most benign thing into sexism. I don't think it's our problem. Or Obama's. It's yours. You have a real noticeable problem. I'm sorry that you do. But I hope you get some help.

[LulaMay]

433. I bet you are.

[anonymous171]

365. What about black women?

[LulaMay]

368. Sexism doesn't hurt them too? Did they appreciate Rev Wright claiming women aren't called names?

They get the double whammy, fighting racism and supporting their men, who then often don't give in return when it comes to sexism.

[kwenu]

373. Sexism is not okay but it's not a competition to see whether sexism or racism is worse.

If women want to win come up with a candidate that doesn't have more baggage than a 747.

[LulaMay]

378. Where did I say it was? I said sexism is not addressed like racism by a male dom media & Dem party

it gets a pass. They indulge in it, daily.

[anonymous171]

377. Is opposing a woman sexist? I'm confused about what you are saying.

Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama. So what? It's just an endorsement.

[LulaMay]

381. Ted Kennedy set out against Hillary as much as endorse Obama. He was angry at her LBJ comment when

she spoke about needing a president to change the law of the land. He was furious she didn't mention JFK, because the Kennedy's consider civil rights his legacy. This was reported in the media.

He took an unusually active role as a party leader in endorsing and stumping so boldly for Obama early on. He essentially started the 'Obama is JFK' fanaticism.

It was a slap in the face to her when he did these things, and he knew it, so did Obama, who then felt comfortable enough to turn away as she approached them to shake hands.

It is not typical behavior of a party leader.

It reeks of anger, his male pride and ego at retaining his position within the party.

I believe he is angry about the idea of the Clinton name becoming important in the Democratic party as the Kennedy name has been.

[barack the house]

380. How many words are meant to be sexist now monster is not gender specific. oh dear.

I know women are put upon sometimes in American society but the cause s lost if offense is taken at nearly every word. It's about gaining votes wiser to be nice to folks than label folk and push away liberal bradcaster friends. People want to see optimism for the country than more animosity. Getting someone elected is a sales ptich really.

[LulaMay]

382. I wish people would stop making such ridiculous remarks. It's CONTEXT, like 'bitch', 'cow', 'shrill

these are ALL 'Regualr words'. It is how they are used and in what context.

We GET it, Hillary is a cold, heartless, mean, witch, a devouring, Medusa like Harpie, MONSTER who is stealing the nomination from Barack Obama. It is SEXIST.

[saltpoint]

384. More strident, hysterical bullshit.

LulaMay, darlin', you need to chill.

[LulaMay]

386. More blurting out sexist name calling while denying sexism exists. Women are "HYSTERICAL & STRIDENT

when we protest.

You are entirely predictable, but I do like to see people like you expose your sexism when you become angry at it being discussed. People see it, women see it, believe me.

[saltpoint]

388. Sexism would be a preferential outcome next to your irrationally angry

posts on DU.

God, LulaMay. At least steal from some good material.

[LulaMay]

391. So I deserve your sexist attacks because I dare to be angry about your sexism? Keep exposing it.

[saltpoint]

394. Not at all. You deserve scorn and contempt for dishing out same.

[LulaMay]

401. You said sexism was 'preferential' to my protests, not 'scorn'. You prove my point, sexism is OK

to you....PREFERENTIAL to a woman's anger. You use it when you want, need to use it.

[saltpoint]

405. I use it when it's worthy of respect. When feminism is worthy of respect,

men and women respect it.

There's nothing to respect in your post here, or in any of the posts on this subject you've littered the boards with of late.

It's shrieking, hysterical bullshit from the word 'go.'

[LulaMay]

411. You 'use' sexism when it's 'worthy' of it? Now I'm "Shreiking" as well. Keep proving my point.

[saltpoint]

414. Feminism. Not sexism. Try to align with the liberal perspective.

Just a suggestion, of course.

A lot of the rest of us are progressives on this site, so, ya know, we're kinda biased toward the progressive side of the ledger.

[LulaMay]

419. Then you don't even make sense. You 'use' feminism when it's worthy of your respect?

[LulaMay]

420. What about your preferring sexism, your sexism, to a woman's anger and protest? Answer it.

[saltpoint]

424. As mentioned upthread, LulaMay, you really should consider

a major chill out on this subject.

You do not speak well on it at all.

You made no concrete case in your OP and your strident and hysterical remarks throughout the thread are thinner yet.

You want to vote for Hillary? Better hurry. She might not be in the nomination race all that much longer.

[femrap]

387. K and R....great post.

LulaMay....that's the damn best post I've read in years! Kick Ass Post! I'm sending this to myself and many, many others.

As Shirley Chisholm said: "Men are men."

I just don't see how they think BO is electable. He's another McGovern, but with less experience.

Again...thank you for this post!

[LulaMay]

390. Thank you! I'm glad you liked it.

[saltpoint]

412. Big Ted Kennedy fan here.

Love the guy.

[Liberal In Texas]

416. You know if you say "Ted Kennedy" around some people here...

...it's sexist.

(BTW...I'm a fan too.)

[saltpoint]

417. LOL! I like mentioning to the strident pseudo-feminists that Kennedy has

been a strong supporter of women's issues over a very long period of time.

He happens to be supporting Obama in the 08 nomination contest and it just has a whole bunch of 'em madder than hornets.

[LulaMay]

421. A pseudo-feminist is a man who likes to call women who protest sexism "strident". Keep it up!

[saltpoint]

425. A pseudo-feminist is a female who thinks all women are angels and all

men are devils, an attitude that pervades your posts on this subject.

[LulaMay]

430. So, you try to avoid accounting for your sexism by saying women are 'no angels'. Keep going.

[LulaMay]

426. You are one of the 'liberal' men I speak of, who has failed women in this moment of truth.

[saltpoint]

428. O dear god will you ever forgive me?!?

[LulaMay]

431. You admit it. You fail women during this moment of truth, yet claim to be a feminist.

[saltpoint]

432. A failure in all respects! If anything, you're being merciful!

[LulaMay]

434. and you're proud of it.

[saltpoint]

435. I AM! Cardinal sin though it be, I'm proud!

What deep rung of hell awaits me!?

[LulaMay]

447. You are proud to be sexist. What Hell awaits you? Perhaps experiencing the pain women feel

when men beat them, torture them.

I wouldn't want to know what awaits you.

[JVS]

496. Now I have seen everything. Not supporting Clinton being a damnable offense.

[Liberal In Texas]

436. God help us with you. YOU HATE MEN!

That is a problem in itself. GET SOME HELP!

You can't use the word "strident" or even "no angels". Lord knows what you would say to "hysteria"!

[LulaMay]

442. and the last resort...feminists are MAN HATERS! Is that why my husband smiles all the time?

[saltpoint]

445. I hope your husband is better at analysis and logic than you are.

[LulaMay]

448. You just can't stand it, can you?

[EFerrari]

470. LOL!

:rofl:

[LulaMay]

450. When the truth is so many men HATE WOMEN, and misogyny is still the order of the day.

[EFerrari]

471. I wish you'd get ALL of these cliches out of your system.

They must be giving you indigestion.

Why don't you just start a cliche thread. I'm sure this forum would give you a break and let you post all of them if it'd make you feel better. :)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

437. yup Obama and his team know damn well they can get away with it!......

they make me so angry...."I want to scratch their eyes out!"

:evilgrin:


.

[LulaMay]

439. Love your picture! It's one of my favorites. Votes for Women!

[saltpoint]

438. Women aren't asking 'Why' nearly as much as they're endorsing and voting for

Barack Obama.

Hillary Clinton's perceived advantage among women has rapidly and convincingly dwindled over the course of the primary season.

Obama won that demographic in several states and his support is holding, if not increasing.

That puts your initial assertion under serious strain.

[McCamy Taylor]

440. Pat Buchanan said "Shut up!" If she had snapped back "Make me!"

they would have called her a bitch. The world is an unfair place.

[saltpoint]

443. I that that woman should have punched Pat in the nose.

He had it comin'.

[LulaMay]

444. I agree. 100%.

[LulaMay]

449. Black women get a double whammy. The world needs to change. Shirley Chisholm would've been president

in an equal world.

[LulaMay]

451. I saw a bunch of men at dinner tonight laughing that a woman could be president.

And ogling the 22 yer old waitress who looked like a kid. They were all about 60-65 years old.

And then there are men like my husband and sons, who are aghast at Neanderthals like that.

So, I have to have hope.

[Lannigan]

459. Kick

[PetraPooh]

462. Sexism isn't okay; and isn't happening. No questions, just certainty regarding

Hillary's deserving every bit of crap she is getting. Her standards are so low at this point that she is just like her white, male, sleazy comrades; like Bush and McCain. I have no doubt that should either of them done what she has done, we'd be at least as volatile in our responses to them. You on the other hand want her to get special treatment and forgiveness because she is a woman; that's sexist.

[reflection]

465. Which women are asking? n/t

[gravity]

466. Obama isn't being sexists

Yes, sexism does exists and it makes it tougher to get elected president. On top of running a good campaign, you have to challenge many people's preconceived notions about sex, which is a big challenge.

Obama has the problem of being black, and he has to overcome his own stereotypes. Society isn't fair, and both candidates have to work extra hard to challenge that.

Now all that being said, saying that Obama is winning solely based on sexism is just ignorant. I don't think that Obama was sexists toward Hillary in the campaign, and if he was, can you name an example. Most of the criticisms of her are about her actions, which could be said about any of the candidates male or female.

When it comes down to it, he is running a better campaign than her, and that Hillary's kitchen sink tactics has made her some enemies. Saying that it was sexism is just scapegoating that fact.

[damonm]

478. Sure, sexism is alive and well...

:sarcasm:

as evidenced by the fact that the MSM still treated Clinton as a contender after she LOST 11 consecutive caucuses/primaries. Did John Edwards get that respect? Joe Biden?
No.

She got it because she's HILLARY CLINTON, the first female to EVER win a presidential primary.

[EFerrari]

479. Why do you hate women?

:sarcasm:

[bajamary]

480. Excellent post

Thanks for the excellent post. Sadly, it is so true.

[TBF]

482. Angry, punishing men? Are you serious?

I am a 41-year old white woman and Barack is one of the nicest politicians I've ever watched. No matter how much Hillary acts out he ignores her and just re-states his message of changing how government works. She cries to get sympathy (particulary the night before key races), uses sarcasm to mock Obama (the whole "sky opening up and celestial choir singing" outburst), whines in debates "why doesn't Obama get questions first", and has even had the audacity to suggest that the republican they will be running against would be a better president. If anything he has said too little, and he certainly has not said anything sexist.

[snailly]

490. Well, I see you've been "put in your place", Lula

You are "whining" and not giving real hard evidence of sexism in this campaign. The truth is in the tone. How many men have their wrinkles plastered on Drudge? How many men have their tears tied to incompetence. If Obama or McCain shed tears its from their bravery and sheer will surviving the impossible.
It's all in the implication and the tone. It's been implied and everyone knows it that Hillary is an old white woman so why should she be listened to? We all know this isn't completely tied to Bill. It's about a woman possibly being president.
Those are my thoughts, folks. Have at.
I'm with ya, LulaMay

[EFerrari]

491. You two should open a twin cinema so as not to waste all that projection. n/t

[snailly]

492. Projecting what? Reality? nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

502. LOL!

[Utopian Leftist]

500. Laughable

"If Obama or McCain shed tears its from their bravery and sheer will surviving the impossible."

Um, mention ONE time either of them has cried in public!

Who needs sexism when Hillary is the living embodiment of every sexist stereotype known to exist. Hillary has single-handedly set back the feminist movement by twenty years with her "kitchen sink" (her own words) campaign.

[929097]

498. What is your thesis?

lula what exactly is you thesis? From reading your post I think it is that Obama is sexist and does't care about women's interests right? I mean are you going to defend that statement, or just spit venom and snark at those that disagree with you and bash men? I've read this very lengthy thread and STILL you have failed to give any kind of citation. You hate men I get it, we are all monsters, oppressors, pigs, and misogynsts (or at least that is how you percieve us for reasons that are probably more psychological then factual). These are all opinions, sexism is real, no one can deny that, and no one is trying to, but you are of the OPINION that most men, including OB are like that, and that they are for some reason trying to keep you and your candidate down. These are YOUR opinions, not of all women, and apparently not those of the majority of female DUers, and you have stated them over and over and over until many just blocked you. How bout some facts? How about you defend your claim that OB is a sexist and does not care about women with something more reliable then your word? Also did it occur to you Hillary Clinton is losing ground based on *GASP her terrible campaign? Somehow she beat out all the other fat old white guys... So am I to believe this sexism mushroomed right as she began to lose right? Please

[IndianaGreen]

499. More of the 1970s feminist crapola

The same kind of thinking that led a group of self-described "feminist" enforcers tell a lesbian couple that they couldn't engage in bondage because it wasn't PC (this was at a Womyn's Music Festival). Then the same group of people launched into an attack on the rest of the LGBT community, hating gay men, lesbians that disagreed with them, bisexuals, but they really saved their venom for the transgender who they considered to be flawed and phony.

Yep, I have seen that crap that passed for feminism, which wasn't more different from the racist crap from those feminists over a century ago that didn't want to associate with women like Sojourney Truth because she was Black.

[Orsino]

501. Baloney. (All three) candidates are being given a pass...

...as the media refuse to question them on the issues that matter to us. Quibbling about who's getting the most negative coverage right now--on manufactured issues--is only feeding the Beast that keeps us ignorant.

[doyourealize1]

503. Thank you

Sexism is silent oppression
Overt racism today, while still widely present, is abated because people fear being called racists.

[CitizenRob]

504. Put up, or shut up. Where is the example of sexim everybody has been beggin for in this thread?

[CitizenRob]

511. *chirp* *chirp* chirp* thought so.

[powergirl]

507. Supporting Clinton is not the litmus test for ascertaining if one is sexist

I am a woman (age 43, married, 3 kids in Catholic school, and an attorney) and I support Obama. What I read in your post is that those who support Obama are sexist. That is why these complaints about the alleged sexism of the Obama campaign seem disingenuous to me. Obama is the best chance we have at the presidency. Clinton is not our best chance. Obama has the best chance to beat McCain. Clinton has too much baggage and is polarizing - right or wrong - it is a fact and I don't want to spend the GE defending our candidate on the Clinton years. We don't have the luxury of that. If we lose the presidency this year, another life time appointment to the supreme court will ensue, and all of us women can wave goodbye to reproductive rights. A vote for Obama is a vote for the women of this country. period:patriot:

[WillyT]

508. Link Please !!!

:evilgrin:

[EffieBlack]

510. Shouldn't you say WHITE women are asking why?

Since black women are women, too, and I haven't heard black women complain that "sexism is ok but racism isn't.". Your queston seems to be coming mostly, if not almost exclusively from white women.

[boobooday]

512. There is still sexism, I have seen it in media references to Hillary

However, this whole thing becomes absurd when you turn it into a contest over whether sexism or racism is worse, or more prevalent. The fact is they both suck, and are still too common.

I'm a woman, and I don't see Hillary as the vessel for all of my frustration about sexism, and I don't see her as a crusader for women's rights. She seems to be more a crusader for Hillary's rights.

I don't see a larger discussion of sexism coming out of her candidacy, but just a fight over whether or not she is a victim. Perhaps she should bring up the ways it affects women other than herself. It would be good to have the discussion, but she isn't initiating it.

And I don't like the vitriol against men that seems to go with this argument. It is very unfair when so many men (including many who participate here) don't deserve it, and it certainly doesn't persuade.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

516. Hogwash!

if she can't take the heat then she should get out of the race. This is coming from an ageing old woman!