"Hillary ain't never been called a n***r." Jeremiah White, Obama's pastor

[pnwmom]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/13/obamas-reverend-hillar_n_91312.html

No, she hasn't. But "c**t" is just as much of a hate word. So is "b**ch." And Hillary has been called those names countless times.

And she's been called numerous other sexist slurs -- witch, harpy, harridan.

Why is it so easy for SOME Democrats and progressives -- who would never seek to excuse racism -- to overlook slurs against women?

(This post is NOT meant to excuse Geraldine Ferraro's comments, which are inexcusable.)

[AndyA]

1. So who's playing the race card now?

Was this comment necessary?

I think not.

(P.S. to Obamabots: I am NOT a Hillary supporter, so save your keystrokes.)

[Iceburg]

49. The Rev Wright, and his acolyte have been dealing the race card for decades

But the MSM would rather you know everything about Britney Spears and nothing about a presidential candidate.

I never thought I would ever say this ... but bravo to FOX news for starting the vetting process.

[JoFerret]

55. I am afraid so

It's always such a complex issue. And not one that will be much advanced via this campaign I fear.

This 'pastor" seems obsessed by sex.

[Little Star]

63. Obama has been supporting this hate for 20 years!!!!

He obviously thought it was ok for 20 years, good judgment my ass. That whole congregation hates America, Jews, Whites and now even Italians. How can a church preach hate in this day and age and get away with it? Who would have this kook as their mentor?
He is done!!!

[Moochy]

2. She married the first black president though!

:eyes:

[groovedaddy]

3. Sexism and racism are both evils spawned from the Patriarchal paradigm

as is classism - poor white trash / trailer trash, etc.

[Moochy]

4. True but it doesnt serve anyone but the patriarchy

to conflate them as the OP seems to be doing.

[pnwmom]

18. And how does "conflating" them serve the patriarchy?

Enlighten me, oh great one.

[george_maniakes]

25. its kinda like imagine if jewish people and communists started fighting each other in a nazi ghetto

...instead of working together, they fight. What is the point.

[pnwmom]

60. The point is to increase awareness. Some men may not realize that

when they call SOME women the C word or the B word, they are insulting ALL women.

It doesn't matter if the particular woman "deserves it." To use a slur based on a woman's gender insults all women.

Would it be okay for white people to call Willie Horton the N word? Or Louis Farrakan? Or anyone else they thought "deserved" the slur? Would you say that it's all right because Willie Horton, the murderer, "deserves it"?

No-- because it is an expression of contempt based on race.

[Moochy]

26. Thanks for using my proper title ;-)

Are you claiming that the two dynamics of sexism and racism are entirely equivalent? That there is some calculus of hate where all hate is equivalent on some subatomic level with all other hate? Does it aid understanding of race and sex to falsely equivocate these motivating forces in American Life, let alone American Politics? Is hate never justified? How is justice advanced for either blacks or for women when their issues are rounded off and called equal?

Both issues are vital, don't get it twisted. But you seem to want to get it twisted.

[pnwmom]

61. The dynamics of sexism and racism are largely equivalent.

In both cases, females and non-whites are treated as lesser and "other" -- and white males as the norm.

And hate based either on race or gender is NEVER justified.

[sniffa]

5. I didn't know bitch invokes the same response as the N-bomb

Well, I know it does for some nutjobs.

[pnwmom]

7. It should. The fact that it doesn't, to many people, shows how

much easier it is to ignore sexism in our society.

Interesting that you should say that people who are offended by "bitch" are nutjobs. I bet you wouldn't say that about people who are offended by "n***r." But the C word and the B word are just as hateful.

[sniffa]

13. No, they're not just as hateful

But yes, some nutjobs would think they are.

[pnwmom]

15. They are just as hateful. Only some "nutjobs" don't realize this. n/t

[sniffa]

19. Ok then

[Hugabear]

16. I'll grant you the "C" word - but I'm not sure about the word bitch

I've seen quite a few people here on DU use the word "bitch" referring to conservative idiots like Ann Coulter, Condi Rice, Laura Ingram, etc. To me, "bitch" simply means that person is a mean-spirited woman. Much like you would use the word "dick" to refer to a mean-spirited man. If we stop using "bitch", do we need to stop referring to men as dicks?

[pnwmom]

21. I don't use either word, against progressives or conservatives. n/t

[sniffa]

22. No, we can still call men dicks

There's a patriarchal society explanation for that.

[JAbuchan08]

51. exactly, "bitch" may not be a nice word, and some might argue that it should not be used at all

but generally it is used to describe an attitude or a personality, something that a woman has control over. The word n*gger is about the color of one's skin and it cannot be escaped by changing one's attitude.

Many women are unfairly described as "bitches" but at least "bitch" is a subjective judgement based on perceptions. N*gger is an absolute based on the color of one's skin.

[JoFerret]

56. Yes

Please.

[goodgd_yall]

57. I think part of it is generational

"Bitch" has become used much more commonly by younger people. I seldom use it because it has such a charge for me. Being older, I associate it with abuse, i.e., men in previous more patriarchal generations using it to vent rage or to put a woman down. The power dynamics in the workplace, family, etc not too long ago gave "bitch" a different meaning and connotation when I was growing up.

[superkia]

47. Self delete! I decided I dont want to play the game that the media...

wants us to play, where we continue to divide ourselves more and more so the elites agenda can continue on. I don't want to play divide and conquer with them anymore, I want to play...together we stand, divided we fall. So from now on I just wont reply in any of these posts that people start like this that divide us as a people.

Have fun

[pnwmom]

59. Why is it divisive to point out that when a man uses says C--, or B--,

he is using a slur against women that is equivalent to a white person saying the N word?

[superkia]

62. Its not the substance of what you are talking about, its just the...

medias ability to control us. They throw out things that they know we are concerned about and we fight each other tooth and nail while they help the elite with their agenda. If this wasn't going on because of the primaries and what the media is telling us, I would say..." lets have a good discussion on the topic so maybe someone will learn from it and we can become better people!" The problem is that, the medias purpose is just to get us battling back and forth like we are and nothing will get accomplished when it comes to peoples views of racism and sexism because its all mixed into the primaries. The Clinton supporters that are screaming dumb shit at Obama supporters about sexism and the Obama supporters that are screaming racism at the Clinton supporters is getting nothing accomplished. It only divides us as a people with very heated topics.

My guess is they figure if they divide us with these touchy topics, Obama supporters wont support Clinton and Clinton supporters wont support Obama. I have seen posts describing this already here on DU and in the media. This way McCain can win or the fighting over these issues will be the REASON the GE was so close as they steal it from us. If anyone cares about these issues, I wouldn't suggest showing how much you care by posting about them when the media tells you to or by connecting the issue to the campaigns. To me, that just shows that those people are more concerned about their candidate than the issues they bring up!

That is why I decided to delete my original post and skip this topic when people connect it to politics. We should care about people all of the time, not just when the media brings something up or the OTHER candidate said something.

Our country is being raped and stolen from our children and we continue to ignore what is happening.
Their goal=divide and conquer!
Our goal= together we stand, DIVIDED WE FALL. That WE also includes our children folks, think of them!

You can change this to anything you want, I used black people and women because of the nastiness going around in those categories. I hope someone sees this and gets the point, we have a corrupt system that is destroying our personal freedom and we are playing their game so they can win.

First they came for the "POOR"
and I did not speak out
because I was not "POOR".
Then they came for the "MIDDLE CLASS"
and I did not speak out because I was not "MIDDLE CLASS"
Then they came for the "BLACK PEOPLE"
and I did not speak out
because I was not "BLACK"
Then they came for the "WOMEN"
and I did not speak out
because I was not a "WOMAN"
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

[pnwmom]

64. I certainly agree with you that these are issues that are a problem

all the time, not just connected with elections.

Unfortunately, this election has brought out the worst in many of us. But it seems to me that it is much easier for progressives to overlook or even seek to justify sexism and misogyny than racism.

[Occam Bandage]

6. I don't think you'll find anyone here who supports Rev. Wright.

[pnwmom]

9. But I have run into numerous people here

who think it is fine to call Hillary sexist slurs -- instead of just criticizing her based on her actions or her policies.

[Occam Bandage]

12. Depends on what you want to call a "sexist slur."

[pnwmom]

14. I listed a number in the OP.

If comparable expressions were used against African Americans, they would easily be recognized as racist. But sexist slurs seem to pass under many people's radar screens.

[Mags]

11. Obama supports him, he has been in his church for 20 yrs.

I'm sure giving monies, having talked about him in his book. You can't pick your family, but you do pick your church.
There is not way for him to distance himself from this congregation

[boston bean]

27. Titled his book after Wrights Serrmon Audacity to Hope,

baptized by wright, married by wright, children baptized by wright. He calls him a mentor, his spiritual advisor.

20 year relationship with Rezko
20 year relationship with Wright

[saracat]

33. ecept Obama who has managed to listen to him for 20 years and

gave a barnburner stump speech at the church!

[kwassa]

37. I don't have a problem for most of Wright's views.

not all that extreme, really. Find stuff like this spouted by DU members any old time.

[joshcryer]

65. HAHAHAHAHAHAH

HAHAHAHAHA

100+ comment thread about Wright supporters.

[stray cat]

8. bitch isn't any less a slur

[pnwmom]

10. I agree. n/t

[Chalco]

17. Exactly. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

20. Obama's been a member of that congregation for 20 years, right?

The race baiting comments by that preacher shown on MSNBC last night are very disconcerting.

[Fredda Weinberg]

23. Who called Barry Obama nasty names? n/t

[sniffa]

36. Just some Hillbots

Some even attacked his wife for her dancing, his children for being uncontrollable, attention-starved brats, and him for being arrogant. Some have even claimed that his mere candidacy is destroying race relations, and making it that much harder for white people to live and work in a black neighborhood.

But I'll reserve comment.

[Fredda Weinberg]

40. Ah, your imaginary opponents ... nobody attacked your

candidate. This is just part of silly season where factual observations are unwelcome. I've seen it too many times before.

[sniffa]

41. Funny you should say that

I know you like to play coy, but you're not. Those are all direct quotes from you.
Though, I did leave out some of your choice descriptors such as, "you people" and "those people."
No wonder it's so tough for you living in a minority neighborhood (by choice) since you harbor these deep-seated resentments toward people of color.

You're an inspiration for the loony Hillbots everywhere. :patriot:

Feel free to respond with something nonsensical, while also praising yourself for your awesome purpose in this world.... or not.

[Fredda Weinberg]

42. You didn't quote me ... this gibberish is from your imagination

The vocabulary isn't mine - and you drew your own conclusions. Don't pretend to put words in my mouth when a simple search would have given a permalink.

[sniffa]

43. Again, no need to be coy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4008247

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4008247#4008270

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3957785

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4114188#4114211

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4164259#4164571

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4515794#4515809

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4689276#4689382

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4691887#4692795

[Fredda Weinberg]

44. Exactly. Not an attack among 'em. n/t

[george_maniakes]

24. im sorry but this " who has had it harder contest" is a no win arguement...

for both candidates because its just a bunch of nonsense.

But to add my two cents, considering the black experiance in america (slavery), im willing to bet on obama having a harder hill to climb. But i say again, this arguement helps niether candidate.

[Betsy Ross]

28. Prick, schmuck, dick

Sexist slurs?

[george_maniakes]

30. schmuck is sexist? n/t

[Moochy]

34. No

To be a 'sexist slur' a word needs a history of usage in contexts of oppression.

Men can not, with a straight face, claim any such oppressed victim status.

Is it vulgar? maybe. But calling someone a word symbolizing the phallus is not sexist slur.

Some claim this is a double standard. I just recognize that there is no such simple turnabout with these forces.

Sexism does not work "both ways"

Just like racism does not work "both ways"

Contrary to what Geraldine Ferraro and Archie Bunker think.

[george_maniakes]

35. If a man or a white person genuinly feels oppressed, what do you call it?

Out of luck?

[Moochy]

38. Deluded

[goodgd_yall]

53. LOL!

Good posts, Moochy.

[Hugabear]

50. Haven't you heard? Jews, Italians, Irish, Poles, etc have never been discriminated against

Because they're white, ergo it's impossible to discriminate against them.

[goodgd_yall]

54. That's history,

In most places anymore, Italians, Irish, Poles, Hungarians, etc are not discriminated against. There are still areas in which Jews are discriminated.

[HYSplease]

29. Bitch is just as much of a hate word as nigger?

Is that a joke?

[Judge_Mental]

48. I too, missed the sarcasm thingy.

?

[Rageneau]

31. Hillary takes flak on DU because she's a member of a fundie prayer club.

Just yesterday, people here at DU were questioning all sorts of aspects of Hillary Clinton because it turns out that she has long attended meetings of a fundamentalist prayer group with other members of Congress.

Her judgment, intelligence, honesty and even her spiritual sincerity were questioned, and some posters said they consider her to be 'just as bad as the people she prays with.'

That wouldn't apply to anyone else but Hillary, would it?

Not when we play by Clinton Rules.

[george_maniakes]

32. arent people trying to give obama flak because of what his pastor has said?

So whats your point?

[Seabiscuit]

58. People are wondering what's going on with a candidate whose pastor since 1988

is a racist pig and you're accusing them of giving Obama "flak"?

[aquarius dawning]

39. Hillary has been publically called much worse everyday for years. Right here at DU even.

So fuck you Jeremiah White.

[annie1]

66. exactly. i've never heard anyone so viciously torn apart as Hillary...

and yet tons of dem senators vote like she does. and yet the same people who call her murderer don't say the same thing about the other senators, even when they too were running for president. and no one has been calling bill c. a monster, but they do it to her.

[EFerrari]

45. What does Wright have to do with this?

[Iceburg]

46. Why? K& R /nt

[goodgd_yall]

52. Thank you. n/t