Why Mississippi was Important

[harun]

After Mississippi Barack now leads:

• The Popular Vote Count
  
• The Popular Vote Count with MI included
  
• The Popular Vote Count with FL included
  
• The Popular Vote Count with FL and MI included
  
• The Most States won
  
• The Delegate Count
  

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

They go in to the convention with him leading in all those categories I don't think Hillary's case to the Super Delegates to switch en masse to her will be a valid one.

[RDANGELO]

1. I was going to post the same thing.

Except Michigan shouldn't count for anything because Obama wasn't on the ballot. Even counting Florida he has a 400,00 vote lead. It will be almost impossible for Clinton to overcome that in PA.

[Medusa]

2. NO state should count when there was only ONE NAME on the ballot

unless you're running for "president for life" in a dictatorship country.

[Bentcorner]

8. Only because he asked to have his name removed from the ballot.

[Johnny__Motown]

12. Only because he respects rules and does not place himself above them

[Bentcorner]

13. What rule stated he had to take his name off the ballot?

[George_Bonanza]

15. I believe the DNC asked all the candidates to remove their names on the MI ballot

They could not do so with the Florida one because of state laws.

[Bentcorner]

16. And he thought that was a good idea? To take his name off a ballot?

It seems to me that the allowing the people of Michigan to participate in democracy out ways the whims of Howard Dean.

[zonkers]

20. Hold it. Stop. How can you get down on Obama for obeying party rules?

[Bentcorner]

25. What rule said he had to ask to have his name removed from the ballot?

[zonkers]

32. Tecnically,I don't know. But morally, if you are to respect the spirit of your

party's decision to penalize these two states, you are not supposed to endorse these states.

[harun]

24. The Primaries are NOT democracy, a lot of people assume that and

they are completely WRONG. A political party can simply pick their nominee if they wish. The Federally mandated right to vote has NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING to do with primaries. The party makes up the process because it helps them. Such that they can do whatever they want. They make the rules and Obama abided by them. Hillary, MI and FL did not abide by the rules.

[Bentcorner]

27. So then it would not be wrong for the superdelegates to pick Hillary

as our party's nomination?

[harun]

29. This is about winning in November, not in August and the Super

Delegates over riding the winner of the popular vote and the one with the most regular delegates would have severe repercussions. We would be f*cked in November regardless of who the pick was.

Call it wrong, call it cheating, call it bending the rules, call it aggressive persuasion, call it over ruling from the establishment or anything else because it all equals the same thing and that is the people feeling ripped off and losing in November.

[Bentcorner]

30. If is is about winning in Novemeber -- and I agree -- then we should be

nominating the candidate with the best chance of beating McCain. I would like to think that it was Obama, but considering the fact that he seemingly cannot win either a blue state or a swing state, I have to question that logic.

Even now Obama backers want people to contact the Clinton campaign and ask her to drop out. It's as if the only way he can win is if his lone remaining opponent quits. That doesn't encourage me.

[harun]

31. Same logic applies to Clinton, how does she win if Obama doesn't drop

out? and if he is leading in every aspect of the race come the convention?

I actually wouldn't mind a Hillary/Obama ticket. It would be a serious shot at Dem's in the WH for the next 16 years. However in no way do I support that if Obama is leading like he is. I do support Obama over Hillary though, I don't like that she is DLC. DLC is anti-populist and they say so. I don't require someone be populist or pro-populist but to be actively against it like that isn't something I am in to.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. This thing about Obama not winning a "blue state" is nonsense.

This twisted logic that keeps getting perpetuated over and over and over makes the idiotic assumption that if Obama was the only Democratic candidate on the ballot in the GE, then Democrats in "blue states" would vote for the Republican on the ballot instead... unless of course it's the annointed Senator from NY.

:rofl:

[Arugula Latte]

26. So Hillary should be awarded points because she was Rovian and conniving...

That's just great.

[Bentcorner]

28. A candidate should NEVER ask to have their name taken off a ballot.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. No, no, no! It's tied!

[helderheid]

10. !

:spray:

[scheming daemons]

4. The best part is that will ALL REMAIN TRUE for the next 6 weeks......

The constant drumbeat in the media, without argument, that Obama is ahead in all those areas will begin to settle into the consciousness of the American public.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. It only needs to settle into one consciousness.

It appears we're going to have to wait her out.

[Orsino]

5. These are all clear signs that he should drop out.

:evilgrin:

[nxylas]

33. I'm glad you posted that smiley

Some of the trolls on this forum (I won't call them Hillary supporters, because I'm not convinced they all really are) will still be saying that even if he overtakes her in superdelegates as well between now and Pennsylvania.

[TheWebHead]

6. it was huge on popular vote

the nearly 100k advantage was needed to add to that buffer.

[harun]

14. Before that 100k, not all on that list were true. With Obama having the pledged

delegate lead and the popular vote lead alone I don't think Hillary can take it. If she somehow ends up with the popular vote lead, even with the regular delegate lead I think she may be able to pull something at the convention to get a Hillary/Obama ticket. Without that, no chance. Barack ends with popular vote, and regular delegate lead, game over.

[Not the Only One]

7. It will be a great day when Hillary wakes up to reality and stops this awful hate-filled campaign.

She can't win this nomination. She is only tearing apart our nominee and hurting his chances in November. She is doing McCain's work for him.

[hogwyld]

9. That IS her plan

Destroy Barack so that McBush wins this year, leaving 2012 open for Hillary to run again.

[jgraz]

17. But, but, but - he hasn't even cracked 50% with over-60 white women!

The guy is completely unelectable!!!1111onehundredandeleven11!!!

[grantcart]

18. You also forgot

most money raised
most donors
most dem govenor endorsements
most dem senate endorsements


But its not going to be enough if he doesn't win ah Pennsylvania lol

[wiggs]

19. After MS win yesterday, there is ZERO mention of Mississippi or Obama on

first page of Yahoo. If you look hard, there's an election button to get to another page...but no headline or reference. I find that more than odd.

[harun]

21. While I do see mention of it now, the press all along has wanted Hillary

in the fight as long as possible to keep viewership/clicks/etc. up.

Her biggest asset all along was that it she was a great story. Controversial wife of ex-president (controversial in terms of RW'rs I can't name anything controversial she has done in her life).

[Bake]

22. It's far from over; there are still quite a few states left to vote.

John King's analysis on CNN last night was spot on. It's not over, and NOBODY gets to the magic number with the superdelegates.

The race goes on.

Bake

[harun]

23. Don't you mean nobody gets to the magic number w'out the Super Delegates? (n/t)

[4_Legs_Good]

35. It's important because it's a state in the United States of America

All states count!

But your points are well taken ;)

David