Can someone explain to me how HRC is *MORE* qualified than BO?

[TeamsterDem]

Let's set some ground rules. I don't want to hear about nebulous references to her time spent in the White House *UNLESS* it's a specific reference to a specific event(s) which in some way yielded a tangible (positive or negative) result(s). Is that a fair ground rule? I think so because her experience in the White House as First Lady is inapposite unless there are specific examples of her performing duties at that time which she'd be required to perform as President. That is to say that it'd be silly for an Obama supporter such as myself to point to his time as a community organizer (something I admittedly don't even fully understand) *UNLESS* there was something in that job which is or would be a function of the President, so I think it's fair the same standard be applied in her case.

Another ground rule: Please list only those things which separate her from Barack Obama (that's why I entitled this "... *MORE* qualified," not merely "qualified" or "as qualified"). Just like I wouldn't point to BO's support of a bill to better the treatment of veterans (because Hillary is supporting that same bill), please don't waste my time with things that both candidates have on their resumes (which you conveniently forget to mention is something BO has as well).

I'm just trying to see if there are arguments - legitimate ones - which demonstrate her to be *MORE* qualified than Obama, not merely "as qualified." If you think I'm "flame baiting" or trying to start an argument, I assure you I'm not. I'd just like to have this question answered in a fair way using fair standards and verifiable facts as opposed to broad-spun interpretations and hyperbole.

[Medusa]

1. She knows where the bathrooms are at in the White House?

:shrug:

[TeamsterDem]

3. Come now

Humorous, but I hope this can stay as free as possible from caustic rhetoric because I'd really like to hear a legitimate answer.

[pbca]

2. She's not

I said this yesterday. Senile ramblings of Ferrarro aside

If Obama was a white man he'd have the nomination clinched by now, people would be talking about the new JFK

If Clinton was a man she wouldn't have made it to super tuesday.

[MNDemNY]

4. TLA ?

[TeamsterDem]

5. Huh?

[MNDemNY]

7. Three Letter Acronym.

[rndmprsn]

6. i can't becuase she ISN'T!

[AtomicKitten]

8. She's not which makes her 3:00 A.M. ad particularly lame and short-sighted.

She hasn't been vetted after all, but is about to be. :)

[graywarrior]

9. If your husband (or wife) is a surgeon and you assist him/her with his/her business

does that qualify you to do surgery?

[Deep13]

10. Sorry, your ground rules are designed to give you the answer you want...

...not the real answer.

She was a close advisor to Bill C. for 8 years. It was not any specific progect, but assistance with making decisions.

Once again I have to explain that she was a closer advisor than the secretary of state or the A.G. Yet because she was just his wife, it doesn't count. Also, HC spend twice as much time in the Senate as O. and actually voted on difficult matters rather than merely stating she was present.

[TeamsterDem]

18. Hmm

Seems like you're dodging a bit; the rules are fair unless you can show how that time as First Lady was specifically relevant to her bid for the presidency. I think you did a decent job of that in the 2nd paragraph, though.

But let me ask this: If her time as FL was spent assisting Bill in making decisions (and I'll grant that I'm sure she acted in at least some advisory capacity), how does that qualify her to be the person making the decisions? Don't take offense here, but couldn't one make the same sort of argument for a high-ranking military officer's wife as "having" military experience?

I'm not quite sure how you've arrived at her being "a closer advisor than the or the " seeing as how there is really no available proof to that effect. I mean, again, I'll grant that it's very probable that she assisted in some way, but there really isn't any proof that she was in any way "closer" to the decisions than the appointed and confirmed individuals you mentioned. Moreover, if she were it would seem to me to at least border on unconstitutional seeing as though the president's advisers (cabinet level) must be confirmed, and it's defined in law that the president must disclose at least whose services he's using as general counsel. That is to say that if Bill were using his wife either in lieu of or with more primacy than the cabinet level individuals for decisions affecting the country's welfare, that kind of defeats the entire point of having a cabinet, does it not?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

11. she is economical with the truth on her experience

things are starting to surface that reveals that her claims were not exactly true!

[0007]

12. There is very little deference between the two. I'd give the edge

to Barack. Because he has class and knows how to use it, through better breeding. The other candidate has a five speed motor mouth and can't find the switches to control the speed, especially the off switch.

[rucky]

13. There was something about Ireland

that the Irish government dissmissed as exaggeration.

Then something about Bosnia...

that Sinbad, of all people, dismissed as exaggeration.

If we were going to vote on experience, Biden would've been our nominee by now. It's laughable for Hillary to try to run on experience, especially considering who she'd be facing in November. The biggest thing she has over Obama is the Big Dog, but he's back in the kennel right now.

[Mooney]

14. She isn't.

The contention that she is has been pulled completely out of her ass.

[mod mom]

15. Her experience working for the POWERFUL at the Rose Law Firm has endeared her to

the Corporate elite/Military Industrial Complex.

Just research the Clinton links to JACKSON STEPHENS.

[harun]

16. Her husband once worked with the guy who invented the Internets (n/t)

[zulchzulu]

17. She knows where the Red Phone is. Didn't you see her in the ad?

The film crew had to go down to some secret location deep underneath the White House and through 10,000 security clearance checks. Hillary went through all of them with flying colors. She then led them down some cave where you have to jump over a 20,000 foot ravine with a rope and grab a rock and pull yourself up through the hole.

From there, a pool of sharks and piranhas await you. You have to swim by them VERY quietly and then come up to a wall with a huge combination lock. Once you get through that, the Red Phone (as seen in the ad) is there for you to answer.

As you can see, she is prepared. The ad wouldn't lie.



:sarcasm:

[Rageneau]

19. Among other things, HRC has addressed foreign governments and acted as our representative.

She has visited many nations, met with and charmed many national leaders. But at the same time, she carried the Clinton Administratio's message of economic and huuman rights reforms into places where those words would otherwise not have been said.

Ahe is the only person -- male or female -- in history to have stood up in the middle of Chjina and criticized their human and women's rights records. Everyone who was alive during the Clinton years remembers that she was one of the most active and engaged First Ladies in history, and was constantly leading nascent movements for childrens rights, womens rights and human rights both here and across the globe. And she was doing this while Obama was still finishing college.

She also worked on Congressional Committees as a young lawyer and, as a maturing one, broke through the glass ceiling for tens of thousands of other professional women for whom she was a role model and an example of how sex need be no barrier to advancement, so long as one has ability and ambition.

There's much more. But suffice it to say that Hillary has done every job Obama has ever done, accomplished every task he has ever accomplished, overcome more barriers than he has overcome and already fought MANY more personal battles than he probably ever will.

IOW, Hillary has done everything Barrack has done and much, much more.

If work and life and political experience are worth anything, Hillary has more of all three than Obama.

[Arkansas Granny]

20. Nice post. Good points.

[Johnny__Motown]

21. So Laura Bush should run for president? gimme a break

WOMEN such as Margret Carlson who traveled with her have said things like "Yes, it is true. Hillary Clinton had tea and cookies in all those countries".

She needs to release the papers from Bill's Library that can confirm her claims before these are credible claims. The fact that the papers are not released implies that they would prove the opposite.


You do expect both Laura and Barbara Bush to speak out against First Lady experience being relevant IF Hillary steals the nomination... don't you? Right around Halloween I would think.


Without documentation to prove her claims this is all bull shit. (and she should release her tax returns and the list of donors to Bill's foundation too)