Today will be a very bad day for the Hillary camp: the Ferraro story is breaking

[wndycty]

Jake Tapper (ABC) is reporting on it.

Joe Scarborough and Mika just asked Susan Rice about it and she condemned it.

The Clinton camp is distancing itself from the comments.

MSNBC is going to have Clinton surrogate Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Shutlz on to comment about on it (it should be noted she demanded Samantha Powers resignation).

This has yet to break in Black media and when it does there will be a major uproar.

The media probably has not found the YouTube audio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqL_sm0J8jc) yet and when it does it will play it in heavy rotation.

Even though we were talking about it yesterday, the majority of the media wasn't and they will want to turn to stir up controversy and that will not be good for camp Clinton.

Yikes!

[lse7581011]

1. Can You Summarize Please?

I'm at work and can't listen to You Tube! Thanks!

[Alter Ego]

2. Ferraro said basically that Obama is lucky he's black

otherwise he wouldn't have survived this long.

[Oleladylib]

10. actually is some wierd way ...that's true...because he got some of the votes which would have gone

to Hillary...but we have to get all pissed off because someone reminded us he's black...Good grief we are a sick people

[Bread and Circus]

32. I think you need to go back and read her original statements IN CONTEXT

as bad as they sound out of context, they sound worse in context.

What she said is aweful, and there's no way you can spin out of it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

Consider who you're arguing with.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4748699

[Oleladylib]

170. oh gosh, I'm humbled, you saved it..and YOU DIDN'T GETTHAT ONE EITHER!

but since YOU brought it up..and administration wanted an explanation..it's about pretending we are something we are not "underdog", unworthy, overly qualified, experienced, saying how we would have voted should we have had a chance...SOUL MAN was about "living" the life under the skin of another and having to accommodate...Pisses me off the administration didn't figure this out!

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[Tarheel_Dem]

54. Do you think if one of Obama's surrogates had said

something like "Hillary's lucky she was married to Bill, or she wouldn't be where she is". Do you think Wolfson's and Mark Penn's slimy faces wouldn't be all over the news media calling for their resignation?

Like that hypocrite Wasserman-Schultz calling for Ms. Power to be fired? You guys are such phonies and hypocrites, and the sooner ClintCO leaves the national stage, the better.

[elixir]

74. Obama has already said that Hillary is in this race only because she's married to Bill. Sorry.

[Tarheel_Dem]

153. i'd like to see a link, source? (eom)

[LaurenG]

172. I hadn't heard that either?

Is there a link to that or something so I can see for myself? Thanks. :hi:

[peaches2003]

177. Chris Matthews said it, not Obama as far as I know

If Obama said it, cite the quote.

[skooooo]

64. No, you're the sick one.

[crawfish]

129. It's true in the same way that Clinton gets votes because she's a woman...

or, that she's in the position she's in because she was married to the president.

[flpoljunkie]

16. And on Fox News' John Gibson's "The Big Story!"

[MadHound]

6. Here's a good thread on the entire disgusting mess

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5008021>

[babylonsister]

11. Here's a thread for you to read:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5008021

[grantcart]

171. What I heard her say is that Obama's supporters are voting for him because

he is Black but Clinton supporters are making a wise and informed decision and had Obama not been born black we would never have heard of him.

She also says that if she were a man she would never have been on the ticket (and I presume we wouldn't have to listen to her now-I think most everybody who listens to the tape would probalby agree with that).

[0007]

3. I don't know if its gonna be enough to cause any major damage.

Watch this video for a chuckle. Imagine this guy taking either Barack or Hillary instead of that hot pepper to taste.

"http://www.youtube.com/v/U6yGZdOFdok"

[Alter Ego]

4. This is about as blatantly ignorant as you can get without calling

Obama a n***er.

She's gonna have some serious spinning to do.

[wndycty]

8. Once the audio of her starts being played. . .

:kick:

[elixir]

68. DING. Oops, you just had to say it.

[goclark]

136. I think Pillary knew she would say it because they planned it

HC now has enough "experience" to know that if these words came out of her mouth, she would be in deeper trouble.


So ~ she is smart. Get another woman, with name recognition to say it and there you go ~ it's out there on the airways and PA is in the bag.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. The one thing that they do well is to change the subject

watch for a new faux Obama story to "brake". They may not know how to run a campaign, they may not know how to plan finances for a long nomination battle, but, damn, they sure know how to time lies and deceit to change the subject.

You really have to admire talent when you see. I just don't want 4 more years of bill or hill anywhere near the white house.

[Oleladylib]

7. For crap sake...the black media the white media ...what are we

1860...I for one..don't think anyone should get a "buy" or a "blame" for the color of their skin...

[wndycty]

13. You don't realize theres ethnic/identity media?

Black media, Hispanic media, Polish media, Gay media, female media, all exist to discuss the issues that are not covered in the MSM.

You can have a problem with it because you do not understand the reasons why ethnic/identity media exist but it serves a purpose and that purpose is not divisive.

[Oleladylib]

113. In the ideal world it is not divisive..unfortunately, this isn't

[elixir]

67. Good point. Thank you.

[elixir]

75. Any opportunity to bring your opponent down. Has anyone clarified what Ferraro has to do w/ HRC?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. And Let Me Guess: The Obamites Will Cheering Loudly The Unfair Slandering Of Hillary In The Media.

[mkultra]

14. screw the media

This is Clintons own staff. Big difference there sherlock holmes..

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. How Is She Clinton's Staff?

Hillary has nothing to do with those comments whatsoever. Anyone wanting to relate them back to her is nothing more than a deceitful asshole.

[mkultra]

28. You make baby jesus cry

She is on Clinton's campaign finance committee. Shes a member of her staff.

[JVS]

LOL!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. Is She Her Spokesperson? No? She Isn't? Get Back To Me When She's In A Position To Speak For The

campaign. Until then, maybe the obamites should avoid the disgustingly deceitful bullshit of trying to tie this to Hillary somehow, when that's blatantly not the case and makes them look dishonest assholes.

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. I frankly thought the same of the Donnie McClurkin "association"

with Obama's campaign, but you guys continue to this day to beat that dead horse. Not so nice when the shoe's on the other foot.

Not a good week for the Clinton campaign so far, but she's had a good couple of weeks. Her face has been plastered all over my teevee (and I can't reach the remote quick enough), the media has fawned all over her because she said they were to mean to her. But she ain't seen nothing yet. By the time they get done hanging Ferraro & Spitzer around her neck, she may very well throw in the towel.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. Please Show Me Where I've Ever Done Any Such Thing. Thanks.

[Bluenorthwest]

72. 'association'

In McClurkin's case-since you brought it up- involved Barack Obama personally calling Donnie and asking him to host, speak and sing at these events. McClurkin was the only speaker, and was allowed or invited to speak against a specific group of Americans. Not against the oppostion, but in fact against people who were at the time heavily in Obama's favor. McClurkin remained part of the campaign long after the complaints, and while there were explainations, there was never anything like an apology. Dozens of Obama surrogates have called the events 'a mistake' but Obama never has.
The events, since you brought them up- were a willful playing of Rove style religious based wedge driving, gay baiting pandering methods previously the realm of the GOP exclusively. Show me other Democrats who have ever allowed any minority to be bashed by name or held up in any negative way, at any campaign event, in the last 50 years. Show me one. You can not. It was a new low, and it started this entire fiasco we now call an election.

[Tarheel_Dem]

155. how is he part of Obama's campaign?

It's my understanding that this was a single gospel concert, of which McClurkin was one of many performers? Can we agree that surrogates on both sides have said some pretty iditioc things, whether intentional or not? For instance, I completely agreed with Samantha Power's characterization of Hillary, but it got her fired because the Clinton camp chose to make an issue of it. I don't know if Obama's team will run with this or not, but the media sure will.

The media will make a big stink about this because Ms. Ferraro is a high profile, failed former VP candidate with mob ties, whose parents were crooks, and a penchant for foot-in-mouth who is supporting the first viable female for president. How many people outside the religious community know who Donnie McClurkin is? Trust me, the media will play up the Ferraro/Clinton race angle. It is what it is.

[Solon]

188. "one of many performer?" You have been misinformed...

First, McClurkin wasn't the ONLY gospel singer who has made homophobic comments, the Duet Mary Mary has compared homosexuality to murderers and prostitution, they just had a lower profile, there was another guy involved in this Obama sponsored event, but I forgot his name. Second, McClurkin MC'ed the event, he was the "headliner" for lack of a better word, and was given a half hour to basically attack gay people's existence in a speech. So he didn't "just sing" as so many put it.

Obama wasn't there personally, but through teleconference, and he called McClukin an "inspiration" and one of his and his wife's favorite performers. Considering that Obama was, by then, fully aware of this homophobic asshole's views, that was simply inexcusable, not to mention Obama lied that this guy was just going to sing, he did more than that.

Oh, and putting a gay white minister up for a 5 minute speech during the fucking sound test, "for balance", was just even more insulting.

[Tarheel_Dem]

189. my apologies if i'm "misinformed"....

I take it Obama's repudiation of McClurkin's feelings on gays doesn't satisfy you? I tell you what, get back with me when you've investigated some of the black religious leaders who have endorsed Hillary. You'll be amazed at what you find out.

I grew up in the black Pentecostal Church, they preached against homosexuality then, and they do to this very day, which is why I am no longer a part of it. But, if you're going to condemn Obama for McClurkin's views, I would hope they you would do some investigation of those supporting Hillary. Sadly, this is the one issue that is not going to change in the old long established black religious community. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Obama, like me, can separate faith from idiocy.

[Solon]

191. Hillary is as bad, and I've stated that in the past...

You are under yet another mistaken impression that I support Hillary because I criticize Obama, the fact is I don't like either of these pandering assholes.

I frankly don't care WHO does it, no one should pander to fucking Homophobes, and I don't give a shit where people turn to justify these evil beliefs either, homophobia is still evil.

[scheming daemons]

48. She's as much on Hillary's staff as Stephanie Power was on Obama's....

Both unpaid advisors.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

50. Please, Get Your Facts Straight.

[scheming daemons]

56. My "facts" are perfectly straight..... she's as much on Hillary's staff as Power was on Obama's....

The fact that you don't acknowledge it doesn't make it false.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. Please, Get Your Facts Straight.

[SoonerPride]

78. IF SHE IS PAID, THEN SHE IS ON STAFF,

You cannot possibly be that dense.

Now the only ones who can impugn a candidate are their "official" spokespersons?

Then I'm sure you didn't care a whit about Power calling Senator Clinton a monster off the record, since she was not an offical spokesperson. Right?

What laff riot of obfuscation and lies you are.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

80. I Haven't Said Otherwise.

[susankh4]

180. Even if this were true...

there is a HUGE difference. Ms. Ferraro is a party elder. She is an insider, has been for years, and can pretty much say what she pleases. The Clintons cannot tell her what she can, and cannot say. She outranks them in tenure.

Steph Powers was an inexperienced outsider working strictly for Mr. Obama.

That is the difference.

[cali]

69. Nope. This is connected to Hillary, no matter how you hillary

supporters try to spin it. And don't bother denying the obvious. Geraldine Ferraro is at least as connected to the Clinton campaign as was Bill Shaheen- who was asked to step down as NH state co-chair. Ferraro has spoken on behalf of the campaign many times and in many places. It makes you look like a dishonest partisan when you sanctimoniously claim that Ferraro's comments are unconnected to Hill's campaign. Did you jump all over Jesse Jackson Jr for his idiot comments? I did. And thus I'm being consistent about criticizing Ferraro. I heard her a few weeks ago on "On Point" and I though at the time she crossed a line, but gave her a pass. This time? No. No pass.

[mtnsnake]

77. I'm curious. Is Geraldine Ferraro someone who Hillary can fire or ask to resign?

[cali]

96. Yes, but I'm not suggesting she ask her to do so. I am suggesting

that Hillary's campaign seems to have little control over their message.

[mtnsnake]

100. Thanks. I didn't know she was officially part of the campaign. She should be dealt with accordingly

then.

[SeaLyons]

176. ahhahahahahaha

now that's a good one!!!!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

79. I'll Criticize Ferraro's Comments Just Fine. They Were Disgusting. But Relating Them To Hillary Is

deceitful and the sign of a partisan asshole, in my opinion.

[cali]

92. One is a deceitful asshole if one claims that Ferraro is unconnected

to the Clinton campaign. She is. You claimed otherwise. You are wrong. And this race stuff coming from Hill surrogates happens just a little too frequently. There's a pattern here: Get an ugly soundbite out there and then condemn it. Could just be that the campaign has a lot of people who shoot their mouths off inappropriately, but whatever the case, you'd think that the campaign would have better control over their message.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

99. Wrong. The Point Is That If Someone Tries To Have This Reflect On Hillary, As If She Would Condone

or encourage such statements, they are being a deceitful asshole. That's a fact. This has nothing to do with Hillary, and all to do with ferraro. Any inference otherwise is disgusting.

[cali]

110. For someone constantly tooting your own horn about your

purported brilliance, you don't seem to able to grasp the obvious: Let me help you out, dear. And opinion is not a fact. Your statement that anyone disagreeing with you is an asshole, is an opinion, not even remotely close to a fact. Do try and educate yourself. Learn the difference between opinion and fact. It's vile to claim that such an opinion is a fact and it's disgusting to claim that Clinton has no responsibility for the message coming from her surrogates and those connected to her campaign. Just an opinion of mine.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

Again, Wrong.

This has nothing to do with me. This has nothing to do with who does or doesn't agree with me. It has to do with reality and fact. In reality and in fact, Ferraro's comments are in no way tied to Hillary and in no way is Hillary on the hook for them. If someone wants to distort it in such a way as to try and bring Hillary down from it, then they would in fact be deceitful assholes. That's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. That fact would exist with or without my saying so.

[cali]

118. LOL! The statement that so and so is an asshole is never fact and

always opinion. And it has everything to do with the person stating such a thing. Take a logic course sometime. You clearly could use one if you actually think that when you state that someone is an asshole, it's fact. Your ignorance is clear on this subject. Who is and is not an asshole is a purely subjective judgment as there is no objective ground on which to make such a statement.

Campaigns have traditionally be held responsible for the message coming out of the campaign. Ferraro is part of the campaign. The former is a generally true. The latter is a fact. Please explain why Clinton "fired" Bill Shaheen and apologized to Obama for his comments, if it wasn't connected to her campaign. Please explain the difference in status between Ferraro and Shaheen when he was part of Clinton's campaign. This I want to see.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

127. Sure It Is.

If someone tries to use this to say that Hillary condoned it somehow, they are a deceitful asshole. That's a fact, no matter how much you wish it weren't.

Furthermore, Hillary should, if she hasn't already, condemn the remarks. And comparing a state co-chair to someone on a campaign finance committee is just plain dumb.

[cali]

134. Nope. Sorry. Simply more ignorance

from the guy who thinks he's so brilliant. The more someone claims that opinion is fact, the stupider they look. Spouting a patent falsehood repeatedly does not make it truer. It's still false, and the speaker is still wrong.

I noticed that you couldn't explain the Clinton reaction to the Shaheen reaction except by pulling something out of your ass and waving it around foolishly. You have no evidence that being a state co-chair is more closely connected to a campaign than being on the campaign finance committee. I believe you're wrong about that. But you have a habit of doing that- simply pulling stuff our of thin air and claiming it's the unvarnished truth. That does not fly.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

140. A State Co-Chair Isn't More Closely Connected Than Being Somone On The Campaign Finance Committee?

:rofl:

Oh, that's rich! And you have the gall to call me ignorant? LOL

And facts don't require your approval to stand as fact. If someone tries to imply that this is part of a Hillary strategy and is connected to Hillary in some way through approval or condonation of those comments, then they are being deceitful. Since people who purposely and shamelessly decieve are assholes, then they would in fact be deceitful assholes.

[cali]

149. Evidence that what you're claiming is true, please.

I understand that a state co-chair of a campaign is mostly an honorary position without decision making responsibilities.

You need to provide evidence, sweetie, that your claim that a state co-chair is closer too a campaign or more important a position than a member of a campaign's finance committee. Pulling it out of your nether regions and proclaiming it as fact doesn't cut it. So do let's see your evidence.

And all i'm pointing out is that it's up to the campaign to ensure that surrogates don't stray off message. Hillary has had a bit of trouble in that regard. That's why she's had to distance herself so many times from the statements of those connected with her campaign.

And no, as I said, no matter how many times you repeat an opinion insisting that it's fact, it doesn't change that it is not. Perhaps if you had more education, you'd know this.

[mkultra]

156. Actually , your wrong

It is a matter of FACT that all people in senior posts of a given campaign are considered part of the campagin and thus tied to the candidate. This includes Bill, Chelsea, Wolfson, etc.

These people speak for her and unless she takes actions against them publicly for their comments, she is essentially condoning through silence. That is the popululary accepted dynamic of politics and thus IS reality.

if these other people where not "connected" to the campaign then they wouldn't be speaking for Clinton at HER behest.

[VolcanoJen]

130. When Ferraro wrote a glorious pro-Hillary editorial in the New York Times in November...

... did that have anything to do with Hillary?

When Ferraro penned yet another New York Times editorial just a few weeks ago, in which she took credit for creating the superdelegate system, then going on to push the Clinton camp's line, that the superdelegates should not take into account the pledged delegate and popular vote when making their decision, did that have anything to do with Hillary?

See, I think you're running out of coincidences.

[cali]

138. Or to put it another way

full of it. Anyone who thinks opinion is fact is ignorant.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

139. Those Are The Opinions Of Ferraro, And No, They Didn't.

Furthermore, your mind may be so closed and rigid that you think everything has to be all or nothing, but mine isn't. See, I'm intelligent enough to see that every circumstance is its own, and every event has its own set of details. In this case, what was said had not an iota to do with Hillary, would not be condoned by Hillary, would not be put forth by Hillary, and is the sole product of Ferraro spouting out the mouth. Nice try.

[cali]

142. Oh, I don't think so

A candidate is ultimately responsible for the message conveyed by surrogates. It's a buck stops here thing. And I don't know of anyone here who's more rigid in their thinking than you- or who has so often had to brag about how intelligent they are. It's rather sad, really.

[VolcanoJen]

150. My goodness.

I'm closed-minded and you're the smartest kid in the class?

Considering your bizarro-world up-is-down arguments in this thread, I have nothing to add other than accepting your compliment.

[BumRushDaShow]

41. Too many facts for them to handle! n/t

[americanstranger]

46. She is part of the Clinton campaign.

Says so right there in the article.

"I'm on Hillary's finance committee. I've done a fundraiser for her here at my firm. And I went and worked the phone banks before Super Tuesday. I have to tell you, this is a very emotional campaign for me," Ferraro said.

Being on her finance committee is considered being part of her campaign, no?

- as

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. Is She Her Spokesperson? No? She Isn't? Get Back To Me When She's In A Position To Speak For The

campaign. Until then, maybe the obamites should avoid the disgustingly deceitful bullshit of trying to tie this to Hillary somehow, when that's blatantly not the case and makes them look dishonest assholes.

[scheming daemons]

58. Power wasn't a "spokesperson" either.... and had just as much position to "speak for the campaign"..

...as Ferraro does for Hillary.

[Barack_America]

61. She's on her finance committee!

She's in just as much of a position to "speak for the campaign" as Powers was.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

81. So? What's Your Point?

[Barack_America]

82. That's what you get by actually reading the post.

If you're not willing to do that, I can't help you.

[rateyes]

94. Better check...

your partisanship is showing. Power was an unpaid advisor for the Obama campaign. Ferraro is on Clinton's finance committee, and works for her campaign.

Those are the straight facts. Can't get any straighter than that.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

101. First Of All, Power Was Far More Involved In His Campaign.

Second of all, even in spite of that fact I never once tied her to his campaign in such a way to act as if it should reflect on him or his position somehow.

Now if only the Obamites had such integrity.

[rateyes]

104. Many of Hillary's supporters did.

Even Hillary's campaign called for Power to be fired.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

108. She Should've Been.

And I only give a fuck about what I do. I had the integrity to not jump on the bandwagon. Do you?

[rateyes]

115. I haven't called for Ferraro to step down from Clinton's campaign...

though, by your standards, she should.

Ferraro played the race card, on the record. Power made her statement off the record and was quoted anyway.

BTW, I didn't vote for either Obama or Clinton. Neither of them are as qualified as all the other candidates we had running.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

119. She Probably Should.

Power also didn't make her statement off the record. It just doesn't work that way.

[rateyes]

125. Well, having been interviewed by the media on several occasions,

I can tell you that "off the record" means "off the record." If any reporter ever quoted me with a comment that was made "off the record" (and I've made a few) that reporter would never get another interview from me, and a lot of other people. Reporters that cannot be trusted to keep confidentiality don't get a lot of stories.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

133. Off The Record Comes First, Not Last, Mr. Media Expert.

[rateyes]

137. It can come anytime,

Reporters who play "gotcha games" don't get repeat interviews.

Do you always stoop to insults when losing an argument?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

143. It Can Be Said Any Time, But It Doesn't Carry With It Agreement At Any Time.

Off the record is an agreement. Reporters are not bound to this agreement. They generally have to have the chance to agree or disagree first. That's why prior to a statement, the call for off the record is made. For someone to think that saying a totally controversial line and then recognizing it and screaming out 'off the record!' is an agreement of integrity with the journalist, is highly ignorant and naive.

It is supposed to come first. That's part of the integrity contained within it, so that the journalist has a chance to approve or disapprove. The request can be made at any time and it is up to the journalist's discretion to abide by it or not, but only when done PRIOR to a controversial statement is the journalist expected to have the integrity to honor the request, Mr. media expert.

[rateyes]

147. Again,

reporters who play "gotcha games" don't get repeat interviews. I've always started such interviews with "anything I say in this interview that I declare to be "off the record" is not to be printed. If they don't agree, I don't talk to them. And, I have made statements, and then said--"that's off the record," and the reporter kept it off the record.

If any prints a comment that I say afterward is "off the record" it's the last interview they get from me.

Again, do you always resort to insults when you are losing an argument?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

165. Look Mr. Media Expert, Just Because You'd Throw A Tantrum Instead Of Holding Yourself Accountable

for spewing out stupidity that you end up regretting and in a mad dash try and claim 'off the record', doesn't mean the reporter does anything wrong if they choose to print it anyway. It's about the story, not about whether you should or shouldn't be given a free pass for a MISTAKE. What Power did was a mistake. It was bad judgment. It was impulse. She spouted it out and then after recognizing her mistake, tried to make a mad dash to force it off the record. It didn't work out for her. Get over it.

[rateyes]

168. Awwwwwwwww. To quote OMC from another thread...

Do you always get all "name-cally" when you are "bested" in an argument? Re-read your post. Who is throwing the tantrum? You or me?

Have a nice day. :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

174. Neither. The Tantrum Was In Relation To You Getting So Pissy At A Reporter, Simply Because

you fucked up, made a mistake, didn't have the integrity to own up to it, and the reporter chose to print your comments.

And no, you haven't come close to besting me here. :hi:

[americanstranger]

105. Wow, you're really splitting hairs there, OMC.

First you asked if she was part of the Clinton campaign. Asked and answered.

Now she has to have the specific job description of 'spokesperson?' That's a tad bit disingenuous.

- as

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

111. I'm Talking About People Using This As A Way To Smear Hillary.

Unless Ferraro is in a position to speak campaign positions, such relation would make one a deceitful asshole. That's my whole point.

[americanstranger]

126. It's conceivable that she's speaking out of turn, I guess.

But that reflects badly on the ability of the Clinton campaign to control their message.

But part of what she said in that article - the 'sexist media' part - was used in a less specific form by the Clinton campaign in the run-up to the TX primary/caucus and the OH primary (the charges of unfair media coverage). And they were given credit for 'working the refs' and changing the tone of media coverage, which was partially credited for Clinton's wins in those states.

Maybe they tried to push that riff a little further and Ferraro wasn't sharp enough to avoid turning it into a controversy. But I honestly don't see how this is much different than the Samantha Power/'monster' flap from last week.

Everything that any part of either campaign says is going to be microscoped at this point in the primaries. Maybe Ferraro was just speaking her mind, but she should know that by being a part of the Clinton campaign, her words will be seen as part of the Clinton campaign message. For good or ill, that's the way it is now.

- as

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

128. Well, They're Right About The 'Sexist Media' Part. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

163. Interesting.

You seem to be holding Michelle Obama, a black woman, to an entirely different standard then Geraldine Ferraro, a white woman.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

166. Holy Fuck I Had No Idea Ferraro Was Hillary's Wife! Why, I Had No IDEA That She'd Be First Lady!

Thanks so much for that brilliant insight!!!!11111

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

167. Yes, that makes all the difference in the world.

:rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

173. You Bet Your Fucking Ass It Does.

To think otherwise would be one of the most naive things I've heard throughout this entire process. Congrats on that...

[Swamp Rat]

12. It was one of the dumbest things I have heard from a politician in recent times,

at least from a so-called Democrat. :wtf: She can kiss her political career goodbye.

[Life Long Dem]

15. Obama's advantage is why we have had so many black presidents in history.

Blacks have it so easy. :sarcasm:

[Skidmore]

18. Or senators for that matter...

isn't he the only black senator in DC now?

[City Lights]

21. Yup. eom

[4themind]

17. Can you give updates, on what they're saying

I don't have access to a T.V. thanks

[wndycty]

23. They just read a statement from Wolfson . . .

. . .and he said the Clinton campaign does not agree. When Debbie Wasserman Shultz appeared they didn't ask her about it. I expect the Obama folks might demand she (Ferraro) be forced of the Clinton finance committee.

[City Lights]

33. After Wasserman Shultz called for Power's resignation, MSNBC didn't even

ask her about Ferraro's statement? :wtf:

[wndycty]

36. You can bet she was shitting bricks hoping she would not be put on the spot

:kick:

[City Lights]

45. And how nice of MSNBC to go easy on her.

:eyes:

Prolly watching their Ps and Qs...don't want to be accused of asking one of Hillary's female supporters a hard question. No doubt a charge of sexism from Camp Clinton would immediately follow.

[rateyes]

86. She probably told them she wouldn't appear if they asked that question. nt

[bluestateguy]

19. Ferraro is a dingbat

A certifiable lightweight on the worst Democratic ticket in history (1984).

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. It's made it to Black media....

Sybil, of the Tom Joyner Morning Show was reporting this, and was livid. After a while, you have to wonder if it's deliberate on the part of Clinton surrogates. Are they trying to fan the flames of racism? Are they trying to make a point about sexism? What the hell is it with these people? Are they trying to alienate the last 10% of black people that have a modicum of respect for them? I seriously don't get it.

Ferraro's a loser, and it seems that Sen. Clinton has surrounded herself with some pretty dubious characters, to say the least. Did she happen to mention that Hillary probably wouldn't be where she is if she hadn't been married to Bill?

edited: to add "it"

[wndycty]

26. Thanks I didn't listen to Tom this morning but wonder what would happen

:kick:

[BumRushDaShow]

It is deliberate.

That's why Fast Eddie Rendell did similar with in his interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08043/856727-153.stm):

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," he said bluntly. Our eyes only met briefly, perhaps because the governor wanted to spare the only black guy in the room from feeling self-conscious for backing an obvious loser. "I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann <2006 Republican gubernatorial candidate> been the identical candidate that he was --well-spoken , charismatic, good-looking -- but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so."

[Window]

71. Damn, I missed Tom this am

[VolcanoJen]

109. What do you mean, "you have to wonder..."

"... if it's deliberate"?

There is no doubt in my mind that it's deliberate. It's been deliberate since right before Iowa. And now, Ferraro's comments are part of The Kitchen Sink.

It's infuriating to me. And I truly believe that the Clintons have made a gamble that it's OK to insult Obama's base (their old base), because they'll come back to The Monster in the fall.

Not fucking likely.

[Tarheel_Dem]

169. VJ...sadly, I have to agree with you,

I'll admit, for a while I was torn between my admiration for Bill, and my affection for Obama, but that was wiped out in S.C.

The striking thing for me is that a whole host of democratic icons that I've admired my entire adult life have turned out to be racist assholes, and I feel as if I'm in mourning. I don't think I can view the party the same after this.

Most unfortunately, we'll continue to give overwhelming support to a party that clearly just wants us to vote for "them", and STFU. Same as the Republicans.

:shrug:

[VolcanoJen]

190. It's depressing.

I can't think of any other word to describe it. Wait.... disillusionment, maybe.

Maybe this really can turn out to be the election that changes things... we have simply got to move on and forward from this. I think we're close, though, and I think that's one of the reasons this feels so painful. I'm hoping it's just dying throes.

[K Gardner]

24. Schultz was just on MSNBC.. I missed any comment about Ferraro, but

the anchors were talking about it earlier. However, I did hear this Clinton surrogate say that they would not accept the mail-in balloting idea because too many of Hillary's supporters would be left out. WTF??

[saltpoint]

30. It's true. They don't have access to stamps and envelopes.

The Obama caucus organizers broke into Clinton supporters' homes in the dead of night and STOLE the envelopes and stamps to lend advantage to their candidate in JUST SUCH A SCENARIO as a mail-in primary.

_ _ _

Hiya K Gardner.

[K Gardner]

53. Hey OC ! Good to see you this morning ! Those Obama supporters are tricky, I tell ya..

and they're multi-talented. From being able to caucus to being able to mail a letter.. its an unfair advantage I tell you ! :hi:

[saltpoint]

57. Tricky as all git out, yes indeed! On the other hand,

those burglar ski-masks with the Obama logo are totally boss.

I want one!

[wndycty]

31. Yeah they didn't ask her (Wasserman Shultz) about it. . .

. . .she looked nervous though. LOL

[saltpoint]

25. We'll see how this unfolds in the next couple days or so, but at first glance,

it seems as if Ferraro's comment is exactly the kind of race-tinged comment the Clinton camp tried in South Carolina and watched blow up in their faces.

Why keep banging your head against a boulder?

If Wolfson/McAuliffe/Penn is/are behind this strategy, or whether Ferraro dreamed it up on her own, it has the ring of a clanging, desperate shot instead of the inspired comment on a worthy effort or national vision.

The Clintons came into this campaign with considerable respect and support of the Afro American community.

That's changed.

[City Lights]

27. I tuned in to MSNBC as soon as I saw your post, but must have

missed the discussion about this. Can you please fill those of us who missed it in on what was said? :-)

[Saturday]

29. Ummmm, 90% of Blacks are voting for Obama.

Many would be voting for Hillary if he were not Black. But let's get all up in a roar about the truth and call it racism. Sheesh, Obama supporters, find a new thing to be outraged about.

[earthlover]

39. it is so obvious that the majority of congress people, governors and presidents are black

blacks have all the advantages. it is hard for a white person to compete in this society. we have so much reverse racism. gotta do something about affirmative action. no more welfare for all the welfare queens, they can get a job. don't have anything against thosee people, but better not marry no nixxers. SARC

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. If we thought she were the better candidate, you're right...

but I'm so glad we found out who the Clintons really are. The same could be said for women and Latinos who vote disproportionately for Clinton.

But, thanks for that brilliant insight into the pathology of the black voter. :eyes:

[wndycty]

42. Yeah, haven't you heard? We Black folks are sheep and don't know better. . .

. . .but how does one explain all the white folks who support Obama.

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. it's the last gasp of a dying campaign that needs to be put out of

it's misery. They can't understand why anyone would vote for Obama, when they could have Queen Hillary. I am sick to death of Bushes and Clintons. I hope they all retire the W's new ranch in Costa-Guada-Mexi-Rico, or wherever the hell it is.

[TahitiNut]

131. "how does one explain all the white folks who support Obama"???

I think the inference is clear. As a white male in early 60s Alabama, I found myself the target of a certain slur ... and again even later in mid-60s Detroit. I'm reading language that's disturbingly similar hurled at (white) folks who support Obama. When neologisms such as "Obamanuts" are substituted, it almost seems like a resurrection of the old language with wite-out edits.

As an independent liberal whose strong preference is for Kucinich and who only slightly prefers Obama over Clinton, the latter of whom I don't believe I can vote for, the overtones harken back to times I found personally despicable and disgusting.

My only reaction to that slur would be to proudly say that I AM a 'lover' and glad to be one. That's who *I* am and is not about anyone else.

[Independent-Voter]

55. If HRC didn't have a vagina, she'd be getting 0 votes from the old white woman crowd either

[rodeodance]

187. Your description of women is just plain callas

callas

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Response to Reply #29
55. If HRC didn't have a vagina, she'd be getting 0 votes from the old white woman crowd either

[Independent-Voter]

193. So pointing out the sole group that has consistantly voted for HRC is callus? Bullshit

[NorthernSpy]

73. a few months ago, it was Hillary who had most of the black vote...

... and then Obama did well in Iowa, so black voters began to take a look at him.


And then Bill opened his big mouth, and the rest is history.


Funny how the Clintonites always offer up a radically revised version of history, with blacks siding with Obama from the get-go "just cuz he's black".



:eyes:

[wndycty]

34. Now its on Drudge. . .

. . .which means a ton of talk radio on the right folks will keep this story alive.

[City Lights]

43. Oh my, she also complained about "the guys sticking together" by

endorsing Obama over Clinton. She mentioned Lewis, Dodd and one other man, whose name I didn't catch. Wow. Someone, please buy Ms. Ferraro a clue! She's coming across (IMHO) as nuts!

[Beacool]

107. Lewis folded like a cheap suit!!!!

A man who stood at the side of MLK and survived those hard times could not handle the pressure and caved in. What a disappointment!!!! A man's word is his bond and if he pledged his support to a friend of decades, the he should have kept his word and not acquiesced so readily. I used to hold him in high esteem but not anymore, to me loyalty to a friend who one has pledged to support despite the consequences is a sign of character. Betraying that friendship is not!!

[mythyc]

157. loyalty makes the world go round

probably the most important virtue of politics and the number one consideration in making life-affirming decisions eh. helps ignore that damn conscience too.... :eyes:

but seriously, there's something discomforting about how you're switching this effortlessly to an unrelated issue (ever heard of non sequiturs? this is a textbook example). Never mind that the only relationship between your point and the topic of this thread is "blackness" (how's that for grasping at straws?) -- why bring up this rant here and under these circumstances? Do you have anything to say about Ferraro's comments? If Lewis is so important to you, why not address him elsewhere and show that you care about more than just the quality of loyalty in your party, that there are some lines that should not be crossed. I felt the same way about Samantha Power, whom I loved but agreed should go because what she said was not only hurtful but foolish politically and in no way good for a campaign.

SAME goes for Ferraro. Not enough people here are saying it, but as she is a PAID member of HRC's campaign, her comments represent that campaign. PERIOD. What she said was inexcusable, and Obama should demand her resignation. We'll see whether the MSM makes as big a deal about this as they did Power. I doubt it, even if Axelrod & Pouffle do make the issue out of it that they should.

-------------------------------

& OMC: I usually disagree with you politically, but think you nearly consistently show principle in what you say. I know you were decrying Power, so am just befuddled to death that you don't think the same principle applies to Ferraro. I in no way wish to imply that her comments reflect HRC's opinions or position, so don't take my point there. Instead, it's simple. Spokesperson or not, Ferraro is a REPRESENTATIVE of Hillary's campaign and thus, when talking about campaign issues (which Barack's candidacy and political status are), she represents that campaign, just as Power did when saying "monster" whether off the record or not. If you think her comments are wrong and wrongly made (which it seems you do), then she is being wrong as the member of a campaign she has made herself out so proud to be and has dillegently worked to represent. How that is not a fact to you is beyond my comprehension. that said, this is my opinion, take it or leave it.

FERRARO NEEDS TO RESIGN: AND IF OBAMA DOESN'T DEMAND IT HE ACCEPTS A DOUBLE STANDARD IN THIS RACE THAT NOT ONLY DISSAPPOINTS ME, BUT SENDS OUT A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT HER TYPE OF COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTABLE.

[City Lights]

175. If "the guys" were "sticking together" against Hillary as Ferraro asserted,

Lewis would never have endorsed Clinton in the first place. Gender had nothing to do with Lewis switching sides. Ferraro playing the gender card makes her look desperate and foolish, IMHO.

[DS1]

51. I'm not convinced it's Hillary's job to do anything about it above a simple

condemnation.

[wndycty]

59. Should there be a demands that Ferraro step down from her finance committee?

:kick:

[DS1]

62. No.

[Barack_America]

63. Absolutely. This is much more of an insult than the "monster" comment. n/t

[wndycty]

65. Agreed

:kick:

[elixir]

66. Keep churning the fear mill. You must have nothing constructive to say about your candidate.

[Barack_America]

70. Wow. From a supporter of the candidate that injected "fear" into this race.

Just wow.

[elixir]

84. If you call drawing a distinction between her abilities and his, yes, I support HRC.

[wndycty]

76. Are you upset that this is like the 30th time the Clinton campaign has been called on its racism?

:kick:

[elixir]

85. No, I'm upset that this is the uptenth time Obama supporters have spun any issue into race.

[wndycty]

91. We didn't bring up race Ferraro did. I thinks its really the HRC folks drinking Kool Aid

:kick:

[City Lights]

97. Bingo to your Kool-Aid comment.

:applause:

[mtnsnake]

95. I've noticed that about most of DU's so-called Obama supporters

Most of them are here not to support Obama but to trample all over Hillary. That much is obvious. Finding a true blue Obama supporter on DU is like finding an oasis in a desert of shit.

[rateyes]

83. "Are you playing the race card, Gerri?"

Of course, she is. Don't answer no to that question, Geraldine. That's a damned lie. Of course you played it. You're not stupid.

[mtnsnake]

87. Hillary has no responsibility for what comes out of Ferraro's mouth. Is Ferraro a staff member?

Is Ferraro someone who's officially working on Hillary's campaign staff? If not, then all Hillary has to do is keep her distance from comments like that.

[SoonerPride]

89. YES, she is paid by the Clintons

Finance committee.

They must jettison her like Obama did Power.

[mtnsnake]

98. Thanks. If that's the case, then direct action should be taken.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

90. Double standard? Hillary > Farrakhan > Obama?

if Hillary is going to demand Obama "reject and denounce" people who don't work for his
campaign, then she must "reject and denounce" Ferraro AND Spitzer.

[mtnsnake]

103. No double standard here. See my post just above. n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

88. Clinton must "Denounce and Reject" Ferraro and Spitzer

that should keep her busy.

[Beacool]

93. Oh yeah, the outrage!!!!!

All this melodrama and hypocrisy!!!!!

How dare anybody say anything about the black guy because it's racist, but how many here were celebrating and shouting from the rafters when Power called Hillary a monster?

The truth is that if any white senator had decided that after serving only 2 years he was ready to run for president, the party leaders would have told him to wait and build up his resume. There are others in the party who were far more prepared than him and more deserving of the job.

Obama should not be discounted because he's black, but he should also not have been given a free pass due to his race. The media has just now started to question him and we all saw how well he reacted when he left in a huff and refused to answer any more of their questions. For too long they have walked on egg shells, too afraid that any little comment would make them seem racist.

I guess now it's Ferraro's turn to be thrown under the bus.

[VolcanoJen]

141. "The truth is that if any white senator had decided that after serving only 2 years"

You mean, like John Edwards? Our Vice-Presidential Nominee in 2004?

Nice try.

[rodeodance]

102. She is right on. Good for her

[UALRBSofL]

106. You really think the MSM making racial issues is a good thing?

Clinton can't fire Ferraro. Why would the MSM blame Clinton for what Ferraro says. It's just like yesterday Sharpton was on TV and he was talking about racial issues and threatening a law suit against florida but yet he has endorsed Obama. Do you think the MSM should blame Obama for the statements Sharpton is making. Sharpton talked about Billy Graham making racial statements when he was at the White House during Bush41 term so why should Obama denounce Louis Farrakhan. Should the MSM blame Obama for those statements? My point is these racial issues are getting so bad for the democratic party it is causing the party to turn on itself.

[wndycty]

112. Its the Clinton folks who are making the issues racial and she can FIRE Ferraro. . .

. . .Ferraro sits on her finance committee so she can demand her resignation.

[Oleladylib]

114. This is absolute bs...It's the country that is making it a racial issue...you know what...it is

[wndycty]

116. No its been the Clinton camp that has consistently done the race baiting. . .

. . .and you know it.

[Oleladylib]

121. well you just don't get out much..or talk to republicans..they are waiting in the wings..

HE's BLACK...get over it...SHE's a WOMAN...get over it...they are facts

[wndycty]

146. Oh I get out a lot and its sickening when HRC defend racism by saying its OK because the GOP would

do it.

[tishaLA]

148. Rev. Sharpton has not endorsed Sen Obama

[GoldieAZ49]

117. It really is sad to see that everything is racist or sexist and the party is divided

more perception than reality.

I guess the Democratic Party is not ready for such diverse candidates after all, I doubt America is.

[tishaLA]

120. I just listened to this clip

And it's actually worse than what I read. She also said that people like Dodd supporting Sen Obama is because it's a guy thing and "guys wanting to stick together." Gibson says, "Do you think it's maybe that he has the momentum?"

I don't mind Ferraro pushing for Sen Clinton--it's what she is supposed to do--but it's really outrageous for her to impugn the integrity of someone like Sen Dodd simply because he's not supporting the person she is.

[Oleladylib]

124. Geez..it's true about the guy thing..I mean really a WOMAN running a man's world..

Not since Adam did God admit he made a mistake..

[tishaLA]

145. You obviously missed my point

but that's OK. Ms Ferraro was pretending she could read Sen Dodd's (and others') mind about why he decided to support Sen Obama over Sen Clinton--and decided, naturally, that it was rooted in misogyny instead of a variety of other factors that could have led to his endorsement. And, frankly, it is time we get past the facile notion that all people who support Sen Obama also support misogyny (or that all people who support Sen Clinton support white supremacy).

[uponit7771]

122. Blacks didn't start voting for Obama until after New Hampshire which Hillary won. There's no

...way this flap from Ferraro makes since...

I dislike the desperation coming from Hillary's campaign...it's starting to scare me

[redqueen]

123. How lucky for the Clinton campaign that this didn't break before today's primary.

[WarholPop]

132. Just Goes To Show

that just because someone calls themselve a Democrat does not mean that they are a progressive with liberal values. Ferraro (as well many other people in the Democratic Party who will remain nameless but we know who they are) are not liberals but are using the party as a means to their own political ends and personal ambitions.

[suston96]

135. So talking about the demographics that got Obama to where he is, is racist?

Barack Obama did not profit from the preponderance of black voters in many, if not most of the states that he won?

I saw numbers of between 83 and 90 percent of the non-whites voting for Obama. Those are demographic facts that cannot be considered in analyzing the success of the candidate?

And one more thing: the Obama campaign has never looked at these demographics as it planned the national strategy of that campaign?

[americanstranger]

144. When it's paired with a comment about the 'sexist media,' yes.

Ferraro opened the door on this. She maintains that the 'sexist media' is responsible for Clinton being behind, then follows it with the crack about if Obama was white, he wouldn't be winning.

If you're going to accept the sexism comment as a responsible thing for Ferraro to say, then you can't cherry-pick the pieces of her comments that are appropriate and which aren't.

If she's going to throw allegations of sexism out there unprompted, then she should either keep her yap shut about Obama's race or be able to take the heat for it when it comes back to bite her on the ass.

- as

[suston96]

152. Sexism? I am not commenting on sexism and will if I think it is relevant...

I am commenting on the inference by Ferraro that Obama being a black American has worked to his clearly evident advantage. One thing at a time. I asked whether it is relevant and appropriate political discourse to analyze the effect of non-white voting on this Democratic primary.

The realities of voting patterns demonstrate that whether voters will admit it or not they will indeed consider the ethnics and sex of the candidates as one of the factors in casting their vote.

[americanstranger]

178. It could have been far more delicately phrased.

Look, Ferraro is an attorney. She should well know the difference between a benign and an aggressive statement. She seems to have chosen to be aggressive, and the end result sounds petty and resentful.

And I brought up sexism because it was part of Ferraro's larger point. She unequivocally stated that the sexist media was responsible for Clinton being behind Obama, and a lot of people on this thread seem to be fine with that.

My problem with that is simply one of one charge being acceptable while the other is not. If the racism card is not subject to be played, then the sexism card should be kept in the deck as well.

- as

[NDambi]

151. "This has yet to break in Black media and when it does there will be a major uproar."

It's already hit the black media...and simply re-enforces how people feel already. This changesw no positions or attitudes of those already committed to Obama... Maybe her comments will push some more "colored folk" to his side though..

[Catherine Vincent]

158. I don't know why it should.

Ferraro doesn't speak for Clinton. Just as that Powers woman didn't speak for Obama.

[NDambi]

161. I'm not saying it definitely would...but let's not be naive..people switch sides for less..Hillary

should denounce and reject publicly, as she did Bob Johnson's comments. It may not be fair or right, but it's the political world we live in...

[TBF]

154. Idiots abound...

I'm not a fan of Hillary but what on earth did Ferraro have to gain with this comment? After watching this and the Spitzer debacle you have to wonder what people are thinking.

[Moochy]

159. Good ... I think Wasserman Shultz will be just the ticket

She was horrible on Stephanie Miller last week.. she did a horrible job trying to spin the latest batch of fresh lies from Penn and Wolfenson.

[Emit]

160. I find it equally offensive that John Gibson referred to her as "my pal"

and she called him "Sweetie." What's up with all the term of endearment between these two. Gibson is an ass. He's one of the worst. He's the one who ...

" ... called for white people to have more babies to fight off the onslaught of Hispanics in the country (Media Matters summary is below). This is a call to arms for white people to defend the homeland by having more unprotected sex.

There is also an implied call for racial purity in Gibson's call as white people having babies with blacks, Asians and Latinos wouldn't really solve the problem he is trying to address. To use a phrase from a friend, Fox should fire John Gibson or change the name of his show to "The Big(ot) Story.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamal-simmons/fox-news-should-fire-john_b_20942.html


"Summary: On The Big Story, John Gibson urged viewers to "o your duty. Make more babies," because he had found out, from a recently released report, that nearly half of all children under the age of five in the United States are minorities. Gibson added: "You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic." Gibson later repeated: "To put it bluntly, we need more babies.""

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605120006

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

162. There should be a major uproar. Will Hillary denounce AND reject this latest smear against Obama?

[canuk1]

164. another obama supporter fired

Its up on Huffington, someone emailed supporters brining up Clinton and Monica. He has been fired this morning. Clinton Campaign issued soft worded statement concerning Ferraro. But she will not be fired. MSM as usuall accepts the Clintons. Meanwhile another Obama supporter is lost to their campaign. How is this fighting back? I don't get it. I thought Obama was going to start pushing back. Doesn't look like it.

[jackson_dem]

179. Hillary being swiftboated on race--once again just in time for a majority black primary

Notice how it never happens before Iowa or Wisconsin?

[susankh4]

181. Yep... I got it....

no surprises there.

[mkultra]

183. shes swiftboating herself this time

this time the racists crap comes directly from her campaign

[rodeodance]

184. hey---you are right---just in the nick of time.

[Emillereid]

182. I just listened to it and I can't believe it - Ferraro and so many other Clinton

supporters just refuse to accept that Barack Obama is ahead, and getting the super delegate support he's getting, because he's an exceptional man and candidate and it has NOTHING to do with being an African American. He's a leader of the first order and has inspired a movement. If she represents the Clintonistas, then they are an arrogant, narrow- minded bunch.

[wndycty]

185. Not to mention alot of her supporters on DU

:kick:

[AtomicKitten]

186. It's probably just a preemptive whine before her impending loss in Mississippi.

[JerseygirlCT]

192. Wonder what if any effect it will have in MS today? nt

[Balbus]

194. I don't give two shits about the OP,

but it was entertaining as hell watching two of the biggest assholes on DU go head-to-head with each other.

[wndycty]

195. Kick

:kick: