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HopeforChange Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:16 PM
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NICE GUYS FINISH LAST ...
I believe Obama is too nice and he has got to be willing to fight fire with fire. Clinton is throwing every piece of dirt she can dig up. Obama is trying to run a clean campaign. He needs to start throwing some of the mile high pile of dirt that is readily available on Senator Clinton.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:17 PM
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1. He's winning. He needs to keep doing what he's doing.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:19 PM
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3. I don't agree with that.
It looks as if he's trying to coast his way to the nomination because of math, because he's the inevitable candidate.

Hillary Clinton showed the problem with that approach. And I hope Obama doesn't fall into the same trap.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:13 AM
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17. I don't see how continuing an active campaign is "coasting"
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:29 PM
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9. Thomas Dewey in 1948 was winning and kept on doing what he was doing.
And look what happened to him! Politics ain't bean-bag.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:09 AM
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16. Hindsight is an exact science.
I'm not really familiar with what happened in 1948, but Dewey may have done the right thing strategically and lost anyway. It happens.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:18 PM
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2. What and stoop down to her level?
There are other ways... As it is, the Clinton legacy writes itself! :rofl:
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:20 PM
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4. Wrong - one of his strengths has been NOT slinging as much mud
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:20 PM
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5. Two things you need to know....


A) Unlike Hillary, Obama has the big picture in mind. Tearing down Hillary might help him get the nomination, but it hurts him in the General Election. He's trying to win the GE, not just the nomination. Hillary's scorched-earth policy might in the end get her a nomination, but it kills any chance she has in the GE.


B) There's a LONG time between now and PA. Iowa was 8 weeks ago... PA is 6 weeks from now. That's a political ETERNITY. Obama will use his surrogates to hit Hillary hard.

It has already started with the "Most Secretive candidate ever" meme... the fact that she won't release her tax forms... the fact the they won't release the names of the donors to the Clinton library... the fact that they won't release the White House records of Hillary's activities during Bill's administration.

That's a powerful argument and it will make one hell of a commercial... ominous music... and outlining "What's Hillary hiding?"

Just wait....
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:29 PM
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8. Bingo. Unlike HRC, Obama is playing it correctly for the GE.
She is putting all her eggs in the primary where she can't win unless she plays dirty and even then she will lose. At this point she is just hurting the party and herself.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:21 PM
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6. Obama didn't get to be the front runner by accident
This guy knows how to play politics, and will counter whatever assault Hillary brings. He ain't stupid
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:26 PM
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7. If he goes negative he has to go with the truth
Keep pressing the secrecy thing with people and Bills involvement in the Dubai Ports deal. At this point I think Hillary has done enough for ANYONE to legitimately question her allegiances.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:32 PM
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10. Yay, lets elect
the crappiest, lowest lifeform we can find to lead our country! Whooppee!
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:56 AM
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11. There was a time when everyone thought the outcome
of the GE was inevitable and Kerry had it locked up.
After all, the numbers and the math favored him, they all cried.

But numbers don't decide elections. Politics does.
The election is much more than a numbers game, its a political game.
Things might look good on paper now, but don't always turn out that way.
Kerry thought otherwise and paid the price. I hope Obama learned from those mistakes.





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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:07 AM
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12. Except that he has already won. His lead is insurmountable, she has lost
this nice guy already finished first



the only problem is Hillary trying to insure his loss so she can run again in '12.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related



There is no other reasonable explanation for those statements
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:22 AM
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13. Every time shecomes at him he neds to say tax returns and turn up the heat on that, link.....
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 01:24 AM by cooolandrew
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:27 AM
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14. I disagree. Obama is going to overcome with the same dignified grace
of the Civil Rights March. We SHALL overcome.

What turned American sentiment to support the Civil Rights March were the nightly images of Black people being beaten and vilified by angry, bitter people clinging to their privilege.

Clinton and her supporters are digging her grave.

Our job is to keep discrediting them as broadly and as thoroughly as possible.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:32 AM
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15. True.
Look at Wes Clark and Joe Biden. Both too nice for the media to gain anything by covering them; might have had to WORK, and explain the candidates' points of view and issues.
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