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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:39 PM
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HRC = Humphrey's Replayed Campaign. Denver 2008 = Chicago 1968.
HRC = Humphrey's Replayed Campaign. Denver 2008 = Chicago 1968.

This summer in Denver is beginning to look a lot like Chicago in 1968.

The parallels are so striking, so glaring that they are almost eerie.

In 1968, our country was deeply divided over a war that was waged built on fabricated intelligence and outright lies cooked up in the White House by a President from Texas. Texan Lyndon Johnson's administration had earlier lied to the American people in order to wage a large war in Vietnam. Congress went along with Johnson passing the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution paving the way for Johnson's war. Sadly, only two Democrats in the U.S. Senate opposed war resolution while most Democrats in Congress didn't want to look unpatriotic and, therefore went along with the Texan's war and lies. Fear-mongering -- that a "domino effect" of communism was taking place and that Vietnam was the central war to save western democracies -- was the daily bread from the White House fed to Americans by sympathetic news outlets.

In 1968, after the assassinations Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Senator Robert Kennedy, the Democratic Party's convention is Chicago was railroaded into nominating Hubert Humphrey, a Democrat and supporter of the unpopular war.

However, even though the brave, anti-war voices of Dr. King and Bobby Kennedy had been eliminated, the anti-war sentiment was alive, growing and organizing. And that growing force could smell the stench of the fix that was going to take place in Chicago at the national convention. The cry went out: On to Chicago! The stealing of the presidential nomination in 1968 by the pro-war party establishment away from the anti-war faction resulted in tens of thousands of young people, college students and a mix of both white and black young activists protesting at the convention and eventually rioting in the streets. And the whole world watched.

Young, fearless activists such as Tom Hayden and Bobby Seale and others took up the call of "Please Come to Chicago" and the voices of youth and minorities rose up that summer to denounce the farce of the establishment's trickery at the convention.

Fast forward to 2008, 40 years later:

Once again our nation is saddled with and mired within an very unpopular war cooked up by still yet another Texas president and assisted by a pro-war national news media. The war, this time in Iraq, was authorized by Congress and supported by many Democrats, who, like their cowardly predecessors back in 1964 were afraid to appear unpatriotic when they should have stood against the war with the few brave Democrats who knew better.

The Iraqi War and the Vietnam War were both initiated on bald-faced lies to the American people. And as with Vietnam, fear-mongering nearly paralyzed our nation as we were told over and over that Iraq was the central war to save western civilization from terrorists.

And here is where the parallels become most troubling to me:

Once again we have our party divided between a pro-war candidate and an anti-war candidate. Of course, the pro-war candidate of 1968, Hubert Humphrey was politically skilled enough to say he wanted to end the war that he had assisted in getting us into. Does that sound familiar? Today, in 2008, we have our own Democratic candidate who also assisted our current Texan president with his catastrophic war who is equally skilled enough to say that she wants to end the war...the very war that she authorized!

And once again, the anti-war faction within the Democratic Party is watching the establishment and the media scrambling with desperation to figure out how to overcome the will of the voters and how to trick the system in order to nominate the pro-war candidate. Just like 1968, the establishment is in a fever to steal another nomination by hook or crook.

As in 1968, young people and minorities are once again involved, active and will not sit by idly this summer and watch another railroaded convention by party hacks deliver a stolen nomination to a pro-war candidate. They will travel from every city in this country to Denver by bus, by car, by train and by foot if necessary this summer to let their voices be heard. Chicago 1968 could seem mild by comparison.

In 1969, a young, ambitious William Clinton composed his now-famous letter to keep himself out of Vietnam writing that he wouldn't resist the draft because it would hurt his future "political viability". But just one year earlier, in 1968, Bill was in the employment of an anti-war U.S. Senator when the Democratic National Convention took place. In Clinton's self-serving autobiography, he sheepishly told one of his famous stories as to "why" he had not gone to Chicago that fateful week, why he'd been missing in action. Bill had dodged that question over and over for decades: "Why weren't you in Chicago, Bill?" Well, Bill's fable was that his mom had asked him to get to know one of her boyfriends better and Bill had agreed to go fishing that week in Arkansas on a remote river. Clinton writes how he spent that week wishing he could have been with the other "kids" (Tom Hayden was older than Clinton then) in Chicago. Of course, like so many of Bill's stories, there is no way to prove or disprove his tale of why he was not there. Of course, I know why. He didn't want to be faced with having to choose sides because as before it would hurt his "future political viability."

But this summer Bill Clinton's past from that week in 1968 may be coming back to haunt him in ways that even Shakespeare would have chronicled. Will the real Bill Clinton be working super delegates to steal the nomination from a young African-American candidate who opposed the war that Bill and his wife supported? Will Bill Clinton be leveraging back room deals to overturn the expressed majority of Democratic voters who gave Senator Barack Obama more than 600,000 more votes than his opponent? Will the candidate who won twice as many state contests as the Clintons be railroaded? Will the candidate who won more pledged delegates be robbed of his rightful moment in history?

And the more important question is this:

Do Bill and Hillary Clinton really believe that millions of young people, black and white, are going to stay home that week in Denver while they replay Hubert Humphrey's campaign parlor tricks?

Bill Clinton might finally find himself in Chicago 1968 after all. And this time he won't have "gone fishing" because this time we will know where he stands, won't we?

Denver 2008!







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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:46 PM
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1. That thought has crossed a lot of minds...
I would guess. Hubert Humphrey was the establishment candidate of that time. It was obvious that the Democratic Party was looking for change but the Party elders ignored the wishes of the people and we ended up with Nixon.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:52 PM
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5. Eerie, isn't it?
You know it, Kentuck! "It was obvious that the Democratic Party was looking for change but the Party elders ignored the wishes of the people and we ended up with Nixon."
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:54 PM
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8. I have a friend that lives in Denver...
and we were talking the other day and I told him he may want to get a camera and start documenting what he sees around the town. There may be a book in the future. He wants to get "inside" as a security guard or some position that sees the action.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:57 PM
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9. There is a collective zeitgeist growing about Denver.
The Clintons are opening Pandora's box.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:46 PM
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2. If they ignore the will of the people, they will get what they deserve.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:59 PM
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11. The Clintons sneaky play for super delegates will not stand.
Denver is beginning to look just like Chicago.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:47 PM
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3. One huge difference: everyone assumed last fall that the Party
Establishment was solidly behind the Clintons. I'm not sure what "the Party Establishment" is, but I think that a lot of prominent Democratic politicians were visibly relieved to see Obama's success in the primaries. It turned out that the Clintons never made as many friends as everyone thought they had.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:37 PM
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22. I'm not sure, either hedgehog.
We find ourselves at this pivotal moment where we have a clear, uncanny historical precedent that looks more and more like we are in a replay of history.

Let's hope we don't wind up with Richard Milhous McCain as Kentuck pointed out.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:52 PM
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4. One BIG difference: we had a military draft in 1968 and don't now.
Young men were rightfully protesting a war they didn't believe in AND one that could kill them! That threat does not exist today.

As one who lived through that time as an adult and saw how the riot played out on live TV, I do think that Hubert Humphrey was a good man, a good, solid liberal who was sadly misled and co-opted by wily LBJ. He was wrong to let himself be played, yes, but he had long been "on the side of the angels" with his strong union support and his concern for the working man and woman. His political demise was a real American tragedy.

I recently read "The Making of the President 1968" by Theodore White. It is a fascinating read from a reporter who was there...
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:10 PM
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17. Great book. We do have an economic draft though for poor kids who can't get jobs.
And nearly every youngster in America today knows the names of many of their friends from high school that are now dead. That is the unspoken, intangible behind so much of Obama's support by young people draft or no draft. Their childhood friends are dying and they are frustrated.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:13 PM
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18. Yes,you are right, to our everlasting shame!
But they may stop enlisting if they feel the war is just not worth it...
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:40 PM
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23. In Ohio - the land of no jobs and lost hope
the average person eligible for food stamps receives 89 per month. Yes, there is an economic draft and yes, people are dying, not only from the war, but from a lack of health care and a lack of hope (suicide, crime and drug use rates are rising). The only difference I see is we have had two Presidential elections stolen and people are perhaps more angry about it. This could get pretty ugly before it is all done.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:37 PM
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37. Where can young people find jobs? The military recruiters have an answer for them.
"No opening at the Wal-Mart? We can provide a good paycheck to you with lots of benefits and make you a hero..."
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:54 PM
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6. K/R.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 04:05 PM by Window
:kick:

Very well written.

Wow, talk about a blast from the past!!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:00 PM
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12. Thanks.
:hi:
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:07 PM
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16. You are very welcome.
You know you are my favorite poster.


:hi:
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:54 PM
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7. Thank you for the posting --- I was 9 in 1968
and wasn't aware of anything other than my parents were upset about the assassinations. Someone in corporate America told me once they were working in a Chicago Hotel during the convention. They said that is when they chose a political party because of what happened there. I didn't ask which party because we were in a meeting and I didn't believe it was appropriate to ask at that time. I would have liked to have heard what he had to say about it and which party he chose. He has long moved away, so I guess I won't ever know.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:58 PM
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10. I was in Vietnam in 1968...
and still, to this day, know hardly anything about what happened that year. McCarthy? I never experienced any of that. I only know what I have read since then. I never knew anything about what was happening back here.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:01 PM
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13. Like so many other Vietnam Veterans I have spoken with...
Many had no clue and I am sure many didn't realize until much later the real reason for the war... such a tragedy.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:05 PM
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15. Like Kentuck, my brother was there. He loved his country and still does.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 04:17 PM by David Zephyr
My mother suffered so much that she had a complete mental breakdown and was institutionalized on and off for years. I watched my mother being carried out of our home on a stretcher. She could not cope with her anguish every day and night that her son was there. I was a teenager. It tore my family to shreds for years. It still breaks my heart into pieces. My brother made it home, but so many didn't.

And here we are all over again. God help us.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:15 PM
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20. With a son who will be 18 in a few years, I can only imagine her agony
My heart goes out to all who have faced the same and to those who have lost people to wars that shouldn't have been waged, I will continue to fight the system to someday at least be more confident the mistakes of the past are never repeated.

Recommended this thread - it belongs at the top of the Greatest Page!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:58 PM
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30. My great nephew is going to West Point.
He, like so many millions of young people, love their country and are willing to sacrifice their lives for it.

That said, it is doubly important for all of us adults who know better to make sure our nation's policies keep them out of harm's way, out of idiotic wars for profit.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:14 PM
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19. Thanks.
The growing parallels, as Kentuck also says, are simply staggering. Let's hope that this time we get history right. Thanks for your kind comments and sharing your story.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:02 PM
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14. And note this...
And I say this not to stir up controversy, as it might be a bit controversial... But I am the same age as Barack Obama (46) and at this time in history in 1968, I was about to go into 2nd grade that fall. And my little memories of the period, having been exposed earlier to the MLK assassination (where we had a special assembly at school for that - about the most I can recall then) was the name "Hubert Humphrey" and seeing the buttons and posters and sortof knowing he was the VP at the time and then suddenly having Nixon and Agnew.....

But of course now as adults having learned the history of this tumultuous period that only barely touched us and even heard first hand reports from places like this, so many of us in my "tail-end baby boomer generation" say enough is enough and we gotta make a change somehow...

It is ironic to see the former "young aides" from the Nixon and Ford administrations (Cheney, Rove, et al) repeating their mentor's dirty history and even covering some tracks this go-around (like deleting emails rather than leaving an incriminating tape around outside of an 18 minute gap). And the result is that the country is destroyed (at least from the economic standpoint) and in even worst shape than in 1968... perhaps more like what is was like in 1929.

So Dems - please don't repeat the history of 1968. At least give it a shot to make a different choice in that fork in the road and see what happens.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:41 PM
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24. You point out another eerie part of all of this, BumRushDaShow
You add still another component to this blast from the past: "It is ironic to see the former "young aides" from the Nixon and Ford administrations (Cheney, Rove, et al) repeating their mentor's dirty history...".

And I'm with you when you write: "don't repeat the history of 1968."

:hi:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:17 PM
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21. You keep playing piano
in the Chicago Convention Redux house of ill repute, but not many are going upstairs.

Recall, some of us were of voting age back then and actually remember how different that situation is from this one.

Obama is a pro-Iraq War candidate. Just sayin.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:42 PM
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25. lol. Keep telling yourself that.
If Obama is the pro-iraq war candidate, then Hillary is the pro-iran war candidate.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:49 PM
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28. The parallels I provide are self-evident.
HRC = Humphrey's Replayed Campaign
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:42 PM
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26. Threats won't get you or your candidate anywhere. Too bad he can't win
the nomination by the rules.

2025

He may be able to threaten enough black supers to close the deal but he won't have the base with him in Nov.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:48 PM
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27. In case you haven't noticed, Hillary's campaign has already alienated the "base"
And this thread isn't a threat, it's an analysis. Now there was that thread posted her today which said that Riot Police should be at the convention to arrest pro-obama protesters. That was a threat.
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semass Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:07 PM
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33. What do you consider to be the "base"?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:55 PM
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29.  Draft dodgers made up a large percentage of the 1968 mob. Who will take their place?
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:13 PM
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31. People who want a fair choice nt
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:35 PM
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32. Those faced with the possiblity of being forced to fight in Vietnam may have
had just a tad more motivation behind their actions. Ya think?
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:25 PM
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35. Those who face the possibility of becoming homeless by foreclosure
or bankruptcy or those who have lost their health care or those who have children in Iraq, or those who see the future of this country if we stay the course may have motivation behind their actions, Ya think?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:17 PM
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36. Thanks for giving credit to those who opposed the war which included many veterans, too.
How shabby was that to ascribe bad motivations to those who opposed the killing in Southeast Asia.

Thanks for sticking up for a lot of good people, oasis! :hi:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:11 PM
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34. The main difference? there are a bunch of us that remember 68
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