MONSTER!!!

[Crooked Moon]

Hillary Clinton has been branded a "monster" by one of Barack Obama's top advisers, as the gloves come off in the race to win the Democrat nomination.

In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman, Samantha Power, his key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp's true feelings about the former First Lady.

<snip>

"We fucked up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.

"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp

[leftofcool]

1. But...........I thought Obama was going to run a "different" campaign

politics as usual

[tekisui]

7. Hillary drug him down to her level.

Shit's getting thrown back, now.

[leftofcool]

17. Sorry hon

No one can be dragged down you have to allow yourself to be dragged down. Nice cop out though

[tekisui]

28. You are right, you allow it yourself.

I think Obama and his campaign looked at what happened in Ohio. The kitchen sink tactic that Hillary used worked. She lied about her position on NAFTA and played a role in the Canada/NAFTA mess.

Hillary has controlled the frame for the past two weeks, forcing Obama to continually be on the counter-attack. It is long past time that he throws some first punches.

I think we are to the point that a candidate cannot win without negative campaigning. He has to be one the offense to take the win. We want a fighter, right?

[leftofcool]

42. A fighter,, yes

but not someone who says they will non-negative campaign then back pedal. Obama is better off continuing the hope and change thing

[tekisui]

50. I like the hope and change,

but the hope and change has to win the primary. And, the hope and change will have to have a lot of fight to go against the RW. I can see an angry hope and change work just as well.

[jenmito]

delete-wrong place

[PITBOS]

75. The country knows Clinton stays in the gutter like no other

You know, there is a reason so many people despise her...

[Nine]

73. Well of course it's Hillary's fault.

How could it not be? :eyes:

[tekisui]

82. She just wouldn't lose.

She went negative and he allowed her to frame it and keep him on the defense. He needs to be on the offense if he wants to win. He can do it without going dirty, but he needs to own the frame.

[sueragingroz]

8. HOPE! CHANGE! MONSTER!

:rofl:

[Window]

44. Yeah, we HOPE we can change the monster.

[Connie_Corleone]

15. The truth hurts. Deal with it.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

26. Different?

Is that what Hillary Clinton is?

Oh.......... good point........ she doesn't claim to be someone fighting for anything different from the tried and true politics of fear and divisive politics taking her play book from W.

[EmilyAnne]

79. HRC called him Ken Starr which is a proper name for a monster. He is running a different kind of

campaign. Someone calling HRC a "monster? doesn't negate that.

[otherlander]

83. A "positive campaingn"?

Anyone who still believes that obviously hasn't seen the latest attack ad he put together:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

(Obama supporters watch at your own risk)

[laconicsax]

2. I'll take inappropriate comments for $100, Alex.

[skooooo]

3. Like she's done nothing to deserve this!

Give me a break!!

:eyes:

[laconicsax]

38. The comment was made by a representative of a presidential campaign.

It doesn't matter what any of us call her, it is inappropriate, however for a campaign official to call an opponent a monster. I find it wonderfully ironic that the comment came from the campaign that purports to represent 'change' and a 'new tone' in politics.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

6. Nothing inappropriate about what she said. Monster is a milder term than I'd use. nt

[laconicsax]

32. You're not a top aide in a presidential campaign.

People called monsters tend to be serial murderers, rapists, and war criminals. It is entirely inappropriate to call a United States Senator who has committed no crimes or engaged in behaviors comparable to those of murderers and rapists. It is more inappropriate for someone who represents a presidential campaign to do the name calling.

[sandnsea]

4. Nah, she's just another rat bastard

same as the long line of rat bastards that have destroyed the country for years.

[LulaMay]

5. Sexism abounds.

[Connie_Corleone]

12. LOL!! Now "monster" is a sexist term?? LOL!!

The "everything negative about Hillary is sexist" gang can go take a flying leap off the highest cliff.

[LulaMay]

25. YES, women are often called cold, power hungry monsters, Witches, Satan (Imus),

whenever they are ambitious and strong , and making strides ...stepping 'out of place'.

[skooooo]

37. Everything is sexism....

Give me a break.

[seabeyond]

63. you are joking right lula. i am thinking you arent. sigh..... i was actually gonna stick up for

hillary on this and hope that obama called this person out for mouthing off like that.

[verges]

84. Huh?

Hitler was a monster
Therefore Hitler was a woman?

Imus is a sexist term?

I don't get it.

[backscatter712]

96. So are men...

:eyes:

[LaurenG]

104. Is it sexist to call a man a monster because I've said it myself about bush

I really think you are over the top on this one. Monster is not a sexist term.

[musicblind]

120. Lula, I'm a Hillary supporter too

and I think Monster is a disgusting term to call such an upstanding and dignified woman who has done so much to help this nation. HOWEVER, monster is not sexist. I don't know where you're getting that? I mean, yes some things that have been said on this board are sexist, but monster is not one of those terms. Actually when I think of a big scary monster, I usually think of a male character rather than a female as I have a harder time thinking of women who commit rape, mass murder, etc.

[Liberal Veteran]

13. Your premise being that "monsters" can only refer to females?

[LulaMay]

41. No.

[RazBerryBeret]

19. nothing to do with sexism....

I wouldn't like her if she were a man.

and I AM a woman....don't call me sexist.

[Tom Rinaldo]

22. No, this one has nothing to do with sexism n/t

[LulaMay]

45. Yes, it does. We get it....she's a devouring, power hungry witch, Satan monster.

[jmg257]

60. Hmm..can a woman be sexist against another woman? Ahh - Maybe Ms Power is the monster!!!

"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said

[fightthegoodfightnow]

34. Oh Give It a Rest

Sexism?

Is that REALLY the best you can do?

Keep singing that mantra and she is sure to lose.

Was it 'sexism' when her husband became her voice in South Carolina?

I never thought about BILLARY until he spoke out in South Carolina. Up until that point, she was HILLARY CLINTON.

Throw that sh*t out all you want. It only reinforces the sexist point of view that 'woe is me........... wa...wa...wa........it's sooooooooo unfair'

Try sticking to the ISSUES.

[LulaMay]

40. No, I will keep calling it out on this board, which is rife with it.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

46. NOT ONE ISSUE WAS ADDRESSED

Notice how you failed to address a single point.

[LulaMay]

54. I addressed precisely the hateful, sexist language used against her, and you don't like it.

Too bad.

I'll address which issue I choose. Sexism is destroying this party and people need to deal with it, or watch it fall apart.

I guarantee you that, when women are turning out to vote for her in staggering numbers.

[cali]

57. you need the waaambulance. There is sexism on this board and

you diminish the real sexism with your bullshite here in this thread. Now continue your whining.

[Catherina]

87. Women like me are getting sick of it in staggering numbers

seek help

[fightthegoodfightnow]

123. Hogwash

I have no problem with people dealing with sexism.

I'm just questioning whether or not you are truly dealing with it.

Notice how I asked and you failed to answer: 'Was it 'sexism' when her husband became her voice in South Carolina?'

You write: ' guarantee you that, when women are turning out to vote for her in staggering numbers."

I call that sexism. The notion that someone votes exclusively on the basis of someone's sex is the definition SEXISM.

You've reduced Clinton down to a single note candidate when she is rightfully much more than that.

Too bad indeed.

[seabeyond]

64. there's a real issue with sexism today and how it is escalating. BUT how i have watched hillary

and her supporters using it, you are doig real damage. as a woman i resent the hell out of it and pissin me off. hillary is suppose to be a representitive of female and if her and supporter yell out sexism over stupid ass dumb shit (probably sexist that i use shit or something) then it is going to set us way back on a legitimate issue

[Catherina]

86. Monster is sexist?

Now I've heard everything :crazy:

[0007]

117. That's rich!

[Birthmark]

9. I detect jealousy

I'm sure that Obama will develop into a fine monster himself, given a fair chance.

[Medusa]

10. A Clinton person today compared Obama to Ken Starr

sounds like they're about even.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

21. PATHETIC

Ken Starr is Obama?

Please do tell me that is from some senior person in the Clinton campaign because I am sure to NOT vote for her!!!

[Connie_Corleone]

23. Howard Wolfson said it today.

[jefferson_dem]

11. Not as bad as calling her Kenneth Starr but that'll work.

n/t

[ruggerson]

36. Maybe it should have been "Monstress." It sounds more hopeful.

[jefferson_dem]

68. This story broke on sludge, ruggerson.

Now it's being spread around the web by the usual trouble-making smear-merchant media outlets.

Ack.

[ruggerson]

70. He only used it because it fits his "She's alive!" monster metaphor of the week

[fightthegoodfightnow]

14. CLINTON CAMPAIGN LIVES ON SMEARS, LIES AND FEAR

She is ........ sooooooooo ............ turning me off that I am hard pressed to make peace and vote for her if she wins the nomination. Obviously, that's a pretty outrageous thing for any Democrat to say, but I am truly disgusted by her offensive, divisive, aggressive attacks on a man who has done nothing but pander to America's best hopes.

I supported Clinton three months ago, but ever since Billary met Hillary in South Carolina, I have come to believe in Obama. He is not perfect. He is sure to disappoint. But I prefer to believe in the politics of hope than the politics of fear. That was Hillary's choice. Too bad she lacked the leadership to know that she does not need to follow Bush's campaign tactics.

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. "pander" pretty much all obama does, not good. I hope I don't have to vote for him in Nov.

:puke:

[fightthegoodfightnow]

43. That's The Best You Can Do?

Puke?

No problem. Obama will clean that up just like he will clean up the Iraqi war Clinton voted for.

[sloppyjoe25s]

16. sounds pretty accurate

to me.

[meow mix]

18. Monster!! hillary = godzilla

:rofl:

[nebula]

39. Hillary the Predator

[jgraz]

105. Still less scary than Hillary

[rosetta627]

20. Direct quote

And Samantha Power is a big time humanitarian.
She knows what she's saying.
And she's credible.

[DS1]

24. everyone pick up your monitor and shake it really hard

NOW YOU'RE WATCHING

CLINTONFIELD!



a J.J. Adams production

[tandem5]

27. foreign policy aide?? Alright so she's an amateur - fire her.

now.

[Cass]

30. Is this an example of the "Hope and Unity" thing we've heard so much about?

:eyes:

[nebula]

49. Obama offers hope and unity for his friends and supporters

For monsters like Hillary he offers his middle finger.

[Cass]

59. Ah, I see...you mean "friends and supporters" like those republicans he is so eager to embrace.

[nebula]

65. Many Republicans HATE BUSH

just as much as most Dems do.

[Harry Monroe]

31. AAAAAUUUGGGGHHHH!!! It's GODZILLA!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!

[Sulawesi]

33. I don't condone, but wtf, she says "off the record" and gets quoted directly?

[Bluerthanblue]

35. she is an individual- she is speaking as herself here- I don't

think you want to go here- She didn't say this on the record- and her remarks should be credited to Ms Power, the individual- not to Obama- or his campaign.

Hillary herself is not known for being the most gentle-tongued person- "off the record"- that is her business.

peace~

[ruggerson]

47. Turn it around. Imagine the RED FACED OUTRAGE if someone in Hillary's campaign

had called Obama a "monster."

Tweety and Olbermann would devote entire segments to it replete with Andrea Mitchell and Howard Fineman and Jonathan Alter each highly indignant about yet another supposed "racial" reference.

[LisaL]

51. Exactly. Obamaites would be screaming bloody murder.

We woud never hear the end of it.

[laconicsax]

52. I can't imagine it.

On the whole, Obama's supporters have been the most civil, polite, self-effacing people I've ever encountered on a political forum.

:rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

58. Of course all that would happen...because it isn't true. Obama is not "a monster."

n/t

[better tomorrow]

48. I chuckled at the M word...but cringed at the F word

[redstate_democrat]

53. HUCKLEREE IS A MONSTER

She has betrayed the Democratic Party in the worst way. Why is she even running as a Democrat? What is her purpose?

[Georgie_92]

55. Monster is pretty mild IMO.

[DemGa]

56. Obama the fraud's campaign is based on two things: "Hillary hate"

and "I am not Hillary."

This is no surprise coming from team-fraud Obama.

[jgraz]

106. That, and the insurmountable delegate lead

Scoreboard.

[NastyRiffraff]

61. I can just picture the conflagration had one of Hillary's staff called Obama a "monster"

There would be about 100 heat-emitting posts, all spewing outrage and hate.

When an Obama staffer calls Hillary a monster, it's Hillary's fault. The contortions are getting to be painful to watch.

IOKIODI

[Straight Shooter]

62. Hope! Change! Unity!

See how quickly they buckle under a little pressure.

[AtomicKitten]

66. She called him Karl Rove for asking to see her tax returns.

[jgraz]

107. Was that before or after she went on Faux Noise and THANKED the actual Karl Rove?

[judaspriestess]

67. ah the lovely meta-message

Its A OK to hate Hillary. Now lets see how many posters start using that word in their posts. I'll give it about five minutes.

[jenmito]

69. "...the Democrat nomination"?

:eyes:

[bicentennial_baby]

71. I heart Samantha...

:loveya:

Word.

[Cha]

72. If it's off the record..why are we even hearing

about it? And why should I believe it's true that an Obama person said that?

I know it's fucking true that hilary is a monster..she made sure we knew.

[Nine]

74. off the record doesn't work that way

You can't make an oops remark and then say "off the record!" retroactively.

[robbedvoter]

76. It's the hope speaking...

[chitty]

77. Maybe she can

get Charlize Theron to star in a biopic about her life.

Especially those most important 35 years.

[PITBOS]

78. btw thats a great nickname - maybe it will stick

[Dogmudgeon]

80. Scary monsters ,,, super freaks!

--p!

[Lilith Velkor]

93. The kind you don't take home to mother

When I get there she's got incense, wine and candles
It's a monster freaky scene.....YOW!

[laconicsax]

81. I found the clip of her saying it!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7378275554029349559

:wow:

[THUNDER HANDS]

85. I can think of one monster Hillary is like, this one...

Like the one in Boston, she stops home runs from occurring and keeps things in play that should have gone out of the park.

[okoboji]

88. would the real monster please stand?

Bush
Cheney
Rumsfeld
Rice
Ashcroft
Rove
Miers
Gonzales
Hughes



these and others are the real monsters ... lets not forget that

[jgraz]

108. Ok. Hillary's just a Monster Enabler then.

[jefferson_dem]

89. UPDATE: Statement from Power and Obama Campaign

UPDATE: Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics.

Statement from Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton: Sen. Obama decries such characterizations, which have no place in this campaign.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-foreign-p.html

I am at my thread count so can't start a new one but this probably deserves one.

[Liquorice]

91. I am glad to hear that. Thanks for posting the update. nt

[Manifestor_of_Light]

100. Dear Ms. Power: Please remove foot from mouth. Thank you. n/t

[ClayZ]

101. I would post it for you, but I think she is a Monster, too.

:shrug:
Sorry!

Go OBAMA

Yes We Can

[musicblind]

121. very professional way for Obama to handle this :)

[Jamastiene]

90. Why am I not surprised by this cattiness from the Obama campaign? n/t

[anonymous171]

92. This is the good politics HRC supporters have been telling us about.

Seems they can dish it but can't take it.

[CitizenRob]

95. Well you know, Hillary is a great Dem, she endorsed McCain, he's a dem right?

[CitizenRob]

94. If it throws fellow party members under the bus like a monster...

well, perhaps she is a monster.

[avrdream]

97. Shit, that's fucked up.

What will the Obama campaign spin be on this one?

[avrdream]

98. Shit, that's fucked up.

What will the Obama campaign spin be on this one?

[Neshanic]

99. Rather a Monster in the WH than a McCain. Did she miss her "Obamamins Vitamins" dose?

[TacticalPeek]

102. Power is overtly obsessed with Hillary. She thinks Hil is always looking over her shoulder.

In a Democracy Now interview, from out of nowhere: intrusive thoughts!

AMY GOODMAN: You’ve been talked about as a possible secretary of state if Barack Obama were to become president.

SAMANTHA POWER: By people who know absolutely nothing about our campaign, but, I mean, I don’t know if that’s—how to even take that, but there’s no chance of that. But—

AMY GOODMAN: Of Barack Obama becoming president or you becoming secretary of state?

SAMANTHA POWER: Right, no. Hillary’s got her sound bite for the interview: “Adviser says no chance of Obama becoming president.” No, I hope—we are all guarding against what Obama calls our Iowa heads. You know, we can’t get big heads. We can’t get Iowa heads.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/25/barack_obamas_senior_foreign_policy_adviser

Jumpy that girl is.

[jgraz]

110. Ironic, since Hillary is overtly obsessed with power

[bridgit]

103. BO is running a shitty, stupid-ass campaign

It's based on huff & puff, lighter than a popcorn fart :popcorn:

[jgraz]

109. Funny how Hillary's getting her ass kicked by this shitty, stupid-ass campaign

What does that make her campaign?

[Perry Logan]

111. It helps to have the press and the Republicans batting for you.

[jgraz]

112. I'm sure the GOP will turn around as Hillary continues to endorse their candidate

[npincus]

113. Ken Starr IS a monster- HRC cmapaign tossed that at Obama

[billyoc]

114. She's not a *REAL* monster

as far as I know. :hi:

[jgraz]

119. Absolutely. I take her at her word.

[Yossariant]

115. Obama would say that "periodically when she is down" Ms. Powers' "claws come out."

:rofl:

[Kaylee]

116. Not Helpful!

I know it's hard to keep your cool and bite your tongue sometimes, but you have to in situations like this. This is the sign of a young, inexperienced campaign. I know she is getting read the riot act by the Obama team.

Edit: And you know who is laughing his ass all the way to White House while the Dems throw insults like "Ken Starr" and "Monster" at each other.

[JTFrog]

118. UPDATE:

UPDATE: Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics.

Statement from Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton: Sen. Obama decries such characterizations, which have no place in this campaign.


Let's not cry foul when your player kicked the ball out of bounds to begin with. I'm sure Clinton and her supporters realize that an apology after the fact makes it all better, right?


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-foreign-p.html

[musicblind]

122. As a Clinton supporter... I agree

I accept that apology, and think they way Obama handled this was classy. It was handled correctly.