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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:57 PM
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Hillary "Outsourcing Will Continue" Clinton wins ITPAA's Weasel Award 2005
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 11:08 PM by Stephanie


Say TaTa to your jobs, America! HRC is shipping them overseas.




http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html


Hillary Clinton woos India
Mar 1, 2005

---snip---

Hillary clears outsourcing air

Hillary Clinton made it apparent where she stood on outsourcing during her India visit, in an attempt perhaps to clear the Indian misgivings received during the Kerry campaign. "There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue," she told an audience of Indian big-wigs. She pointed out that there were 3 billion people who feel left behind and are trying to attack the modern world in the hope of turning the clock back on globalization. "It is not far-fetched to imagine ... if the Indian miracle would be the one of choice of those who feel left behind," said Hillary.

Hillary has been at the forefront in defending free trade and outsourcing. During the height of the anti-outsourcing backlash in the US last year, she faced considerable flak for defending Indian software giant Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) for opening a center in Buffalo, New York. "We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences," Hillary said firmly, despite inevitably invoking the ire of the anti-free trade brigade.

Hillary further clarified her position during her recent visit as well as solutions that could be beneficial to both countries. She urged Indian industries to invest more in the US to allay negative outpourings over outsourcing of American jobs to India. "I have to be frank. People in my country are losing their jobs and the US policymakers need to address this issue," she said. She ruled out that the anti-India feeling was a reflexive reaction, and explained that the feeling was more because of the imbalance in trade between the two countries, which in turn caused anguish among Americans about the nature of the economic relationship.






http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/5689198-1.html

BUFFALO, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 10, 2003

TATA Consultancy Services (TCS), Asia's largest information technology firm and America's second fastest-growing IT consultancy, today announced that it has opened its newest North American office in Buffalo, New York.

The deal was the brainchild of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
, who is dedicated to bringing new businesses to the state of New York, and was facilitated by the Confederation of Indian Industry, India's premier business association.

"When I learned of TATA Consultancy Services' intentions to expand its company, I thought immediately of Buffalo and dedicated myself to showing the company all that the region had to offer," Senator Clinton said. "TCS could have located anywhere in the country. I am proud but not surprised that they chose Buffalo."






http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=07&year=2007&base_name=post_4419

HILLARY AND OUTSOURCING. The Obama campaign fumbled badly in June when it attempted to make an issue of Hillary Clinton's ties to Indian businesses implicated in the outsourcing of American jobs, releasing a press release that identified her as (D-Punjab). Today the Los Angeles Times offers up a more analytical take on the Senator's ties to India's Tata Consultancy Services, a company with 10,000 employees in the United States, 90 percent of whom are foreign-born. Clinton lured Tata to open an office in Buffalo, New York, the Western New York city that's only now beginning to revitalize after a decades-long economic slump. She heralded Tata's arrival as an opportunity for research collaboration between Buffalo's state university and the corporation.

What were the results? Tata created only 10 jobs in Buffalo (the company won't say how many of those employees are American citizens) and has so far not worked at all with the university. In 2004 Clinton defended herself to Lou Dobbs, saying, "Outsourcing does work both ways." But at least in the Tata deal -- and my hunch is that this is the case for many supposed partnerships between huge multinational corporations and public universities in economically beleaguered regions -- local benefits were minute.






http://www.itpaa.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1485

ITPAA Stories: Weasel Award March 4, 2005: Sen. Hillary R. Clinton
Friday, March 04 @ 00:05:00 EST

For release on Friday March 4, 2005 00:01:01

The Information Technology Professionals Association of America (ITPAA), an advocacy group based in Wilmington, Delaware representing professionals in the high-tech field has handed out its first Weasel Award of 2005 to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D - NY). The organization, representing over 1,200 IT professionals nationwide, presents this award to business and political leaders that it believes betrays the trust of the American people.

Scott Kirwin, founder of the organization, states, "We are tired of Democrats pretending they care about the problems facing average Americans. Senator Clinton's actions prove they clearly do not." (Read More)

The ITPAA based its award on Indian press reports of Sen. Clinton supporting outsourcing and assuring political and business leaders in India that the US would not attempt to save the jobs lost. "Outsourcing will continue," Clinton said in Delhi on Feb 28, according to a report by the Asia Times. "There is no way to legislate against reality. We are not in favor of putting up fences."

"Her statements got little press here but were splashed all over the Indian media," Kirwin says. "Does she think we aren't going to find out about it?" Kirwin says that the India media is the best source of information about outsourcing and what he terms "labor dumping" - using immigration policies to dampen wages.

Kirwin says the Senator's position supporting outsourcing is nothing new. He noted that in March 2004 Clinton appeared on CNN's Lou Dobbs show and criticized offshoring and the Bush administration support of the practice. Host of the program Lou Dobbs then pointed out that Clinton was closely allied with Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), an Indian offshoring giant which set up its US headquarters in upstate New York - an area Clinton represents. Clinton then justified her position by saying that TCS created 10 jobs.

Kirwin laughed, saying that TCS was responsible for the loss of thousands of last year alone. "It took 500 out of San Antonio when USAA outsourced its IT department to TCS." He also noted the senator's support of increases in the H-1b program which Kirwin believes contributes to declining wages in the tech sector. "When there's too much of something, its price goes down," he says. "Right now there are too many tech professionals in the USA, which is why salaries have been declining for the past five years. (Senator) Clinton's policy of throwing open the doors to foreign workers using the H-1b visa program just makes a bad situation worse."

"Politicians like Clinton don't live in the real world," Kirwin added. "They say that offshoring works both ways and support the practice based on two hundred year old economic theories that have never been proven. Then they wonder why America has the largest trade deficit in its history."

He notes that attempts to force nations to buy American goods and services have always failed. "I lived in Japan for five years, and the Japanese instinctively knew that purchasing a foreign product or service meant a lost job in Japan." He believes that Clinton and the other free-trade supporters are naïve. "American pride may be dead in the salons and boardrooms Clinton frequents, but nationalism isn't dead in Tokyo or Delhi. Even if our products and services are better and cheaper, foreigners aren't going to buy them because they know that to do so someone in their country will be out of a job."

Kirwin also cited Clinton's position as co-chair of the "Friends of India Caucus" in the Senate, a group of senators that supports issues important to India, including outsourcing and H-1b and L-1 visas, as another reason behind the ITPAA's decision to grant the award to the prospective Democratic presidential nominee.

"It would be nice if she co-chaired the 'Friends of America Caucus' instead," Kirwin noted dryly. "India doesn't need representation in the Senate - America does."

"Politicians have forgotten that people in Delhi don't vote for them, but those in Dallas do. That was a lesson that (former Presidential hopeful Senator John) Kerry learned in Ohio," Kirwin said, referring to the candidate's loss of that state in the 2004 election by 100,000. Kirwin added that the ITPAA has a very strong base in Ohio.

When asked about Senator Hillary's concern about Americans who "feel left behind and might stir up negative feelings about India", Kirwin replied, "We don't hold Indians responsible for taking our jobs; we hold leaders like Clinton responsible for giving them to them."

He also bristled at Senator Clinton's use of the term 'feeling left behind' to refer to people angry about seeing their jobs offshored. "Feel left behind? These are people who work harder for less money, who see their standard of living being better in the past than it is today. These are people feel betrayed by their leaders," Kirwin says, "Leaders like Senator Clinton who aren't concerned to see Americans leave their jobs to fight wars on the other side of the planet but are afraid to keep the jobs here for when they return." He also noted that India has refused to send troops to Iraq, noting bitterly, "They are more than willing to take our jobs - but not our responsibilities."

Previous winners of the award include Van B. Honeycutt, Chairman of the Computer Sciences Corporation (CSC), for his outsourcing of jobs to India at taxpayer's expense, Richard D. Fairbank, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Capital One, for his closing of call centers in the USA to cut costs while receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in stock options, and Senator John Kerry (D - MA) for his statements supporting outsourcing on a trip to India while publicly criticizing it at home.





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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:02 PM
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1. What a gal.
Nothing really more to say.

I wonder if we could find some interesting names on her and Bill's tax returns?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:20 PM
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25. That banner should read: "SOLUTIONS FOR INDIA"
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:10 PM
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2. She promised to "fix" NAFTA, too. yipee
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:29 PM
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5. “He said someone from Clinton’s campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt
That someone called us and told us not to worry.”

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Canada/2008/03/05/4920601.html
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:26 PM
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3. Say TaTa to the nomination Hillary
...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:38 AM
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10. It's not new news.
But she's gotten away with it for a long time. David Sirota is calling her out on it in a big way. The press has to start covering this. They can't just allow a candidate to lie with impunity when they already know the facts.
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:19 AM
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11. Right, she's been taking junkets to India for years
Assuring them of the safety of their jobs...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:57 AM
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14. Shhhhh!
Don't let Pennsylvania hear you!
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:27 PM
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15. :) ... HEY PENNSYLVANIA!!! Look over here!
Hillary's fixin' to outsource your job.
Yes, YOUR job.
Whatcha gonna do about it?
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:27 PM
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4. great timing for a do-over in Michigan
I read where the Michigan Governor and Clinton officials were looking at a possible do over in the primary, I don't think Obama will be hesitant to bring this out.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:17 AM
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6. I guess Obama is going to sign a executive order outlawing
outsourcing.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:19 AM
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7. she should get a weasel award for this BS
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:36 PM
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16. I hope she wins again this year!
It's her turn! Again!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:20 AM
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8. Again, WHY, why didn't Obama run with this in Ohio?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:18 AM
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9. They backed off after that Hillary (D) Punjab thing.
But they should have stayed on it. Check David Sirota today, he calls her a liar, over and over. It's kind of startling because he's a very reasonable guy.
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:22 AM
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12. WOW...I think she is NOT going to win any more states..(I hope so)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:18 AM
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13. If the press would do some fact-checking instead of stenography, you might be right
I can't BELIEVE the lies she's gotten away with!
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:51 PM
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17. RE: Hillary, outsourcing, h1-b visas: WATCH THESE VIDEOS AND SEND THEM TO EVERYONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:54 PM
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26. Why do HRC supporters
never address this issue? Because it's all FACT?
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:52 PM
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18. As Hillary likes to say . . . and now the "fun part" starts.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 12:53 PM by InAbLuEsTaTe
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:26 PM
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19. Then it's no mistake she reminds me of another outsourcing champ:
"Outsourcing is good for America" - former HP CEO Carly Fiorina

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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:16 PM
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32. "No Job is America's God Given Right Anymore" . . . Carly Fiorina
Except for wealthy CEOs who don't even have to invent anything or contribute to the company's past success . . . just have a strategy that more or less consists of firing everyone, spend more money to stay in the same place you were five years ago, and leave with a 21 million dollar severance check for ruining your company, it's product quality and worker morale.

Nice work if you can get it.

Tough Choices indeed.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:33 PM
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20. Except for "the states that count" which will have all their
jobs returned to them. Hear that Pennsylvania???? Hillary was just kidding about the outsourcing comment - she's a prankster. Didn't you catch her on SNL? New word: Tata-gate.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:06 PM
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24. "Tatagate"
About sums it up.

HRC: (to US citizens} We'll bring your jobs back.

3 a.m. phone call: (from India) They fell for it.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:46 PM
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21. A Big K&R
I'm Sure She's Really Concerned About Bringing Those in Ohio Jobs. :sarcasm:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:03 PM
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22. A solution for America, or it's wealthy CEOs?
Seriously, what say ANYone on this?

Appears to me that no one but NO one is making light of something we've been raising cain about since 2005, because in the Blame Dealer today it shows that Hillary did not only win rural voters, but workers as well??? They must never have heardstatements such as these or other pro-free trade screeds from her, and something tells me the corporate controlled news media is choosing to conveniently ignore this on purpose.

Some Hillary supporters who have seen this, unbelievably (or not), actually defend the statements. More than a few of those support free trade and offshoring. And we're still calling these people Democrats? Anyone who thinks there are positives to destroying one nation's working class to lift another so they can save money on computers, DVD players and plasma screens (while college, health care, housing, etc, soars in the stratosphere) can get to steppin' out of the "Big Tent" and crowd in with the big "L" Libertarians under that leaky House of Rand, thank you very much.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:34 PM
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29. Notice these threads sink like rocks? n/t
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:57 PM
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30. Yes, the Clinton fans don't want to talk about it.
*crickets*
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:10 PM
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31. Don't I know .. ..
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:13 PM by HughBeaumont
Just ask OC - we're both constantly feeding the seven-ton elephant in the Hall of DLC's Hillary Inevitability Party, which everyone pretends isn't there. It's funny, to be frank.

I feel like the Who on Horton's dust speck. "A Person's a Person, no matter how small."
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:04 PM
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23. she will say what it takes to get elected
regardless of truth or morals
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:25 PM
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27. no kidding
She hasn't got a principled bone in her body.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:29 PM
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28. She Sure Will. n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:40 PM
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33. Hillary Clinton Supports Destruction of American Jobs, Takes Pay-Offs For Helping Outsourcers
Hillary Clinton Supports Destruction of American Jobs, Takes Pay-Offs For Helping Outsourcers

Continuing on the theme of my previous posting re. Hillary Clinton's support for corporate programs to eliminate jobs for American workers, I read a comment by an angry Clinton constituent on Progressive Geek.

The one-time Clinton supporter discussed Hillary's promise to work to improve the jobs situation in Upstate New York when she first ran for the U.S. Senate. Clinton has done just the opposite and cynically used the jobs issue for election but has no interest in helping American workers once in office.

Here's a brief part of the comment:

"Her entire career in upstate New York has been of a piece in a series of token gestures, creating 10 token window-dressing American jobs for Tata Consulting in Buffalo (what a great trade -- there are more than 10 Indian consultants right now just in my cubicle cluster in Albany!!). It's endemic up here, cheap token gestures like renaming empty streets leading to dead malls and empty office campuses "Computer Avenue" and "Silicon Way"; pointless PR campaigns "re-branding" upstate New York as "Tech Valley"; setting up a local non-union "Charter School" in technology with enrollments of 40 kids who probably spend more time being photographed with politicians than learning."


The comment came in response to a very important story of how the Clinton campaign was actively seeking the support of key U.S. and foreign "big money" in the Offshore Outsourcing business. The article referenced appeared in the LA Times, "Clinton woos the outsourcers feared by U.S. workers". This article is also well worth a read, essentially underscoring the tremendous reality lost in the much misunderstood Obama campaign claim that Hillary Clinton was essentially representing the interests of the Indian offshore outsourcing business elites.

Here's one fine quote from the article which gives some indication of how offshore outsourcing money is helping to power the Hillary Clinton campaign:

"Clinton is successfully wooing wealthy Indian Americans, many of them business leaders with close ties to their native country and an interest in protecting outsourcing laws and expanding access to worker visas. Her campaign has held three fundraisers in the Indian American community recently, one of which raised close to $3 million, its sponsor told an Indian news organization.

But in Buffalo, the fruits of the Tata deal have been hard to find. The company, which called the arrangement Clinton's "brainchild," says "about 10" employees work here. Tata says most of the new employees were hired from around Buffalo. It declines to say whether any of the new jobs are held by foreigners, who make up 90% of Tata's 10,000-employee workforce in the United States."

The quote from John Miano at the Programmer's Guild reminds me very much of the criticisms faced by Harris Miller in last year's Virginia Dem. primary:

"It's just two-faced," said John Miano, founder of the Programmers Guild, one of several high-tech worker organizations that have sprung up as outsourcing has expanded. "We see her undermining U.S. workers and helping the offshoring business, and then she comes back to the U.S. and says, 'I'm concerned about your pain.' "

TATA or TCS, the Indian Offshore Outsourcing and H-1b bodyshop mentioned in the article imports thousands of Indian guest workers into the US to facilitate offshore outsourcing of jobs to India or replace American workers in the U.S. with imported Indian workers also in the U.S. The key in both cases is the so-called "guest worker" programs (e.g., H-1b, L-1) supposedly created because of "shortages of American workers" (a widespread myth concocted at great effort and cost by outsourcing and anti-worker lobbies).

Hillary Clinton is all about LIES -- lies propping up bigger lies to help make the rich and powerful more rich and more powerful leading to the sort of sharply reduced living standards for the majority of Americans now increasingly in evidence all over the U.S.


http://modernpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/09/hillary-clinton-supports-destruction-of.html
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:39 PM
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34. Hillary "Two-Faced" Clinton
That's her in every respect.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:07 AM
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35. See? Like a STONE.
And don't tell me this is a non-issue. I have an immense problem with a pro-offshoring candidate who's now John Edwards-populist when it's convenient and he's safely out of the picture.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:17 AM
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36. Does no one here at DU understand the import of even Adam Smith's 'invisible hand'?
It's not NAFTA. It isn't Hillary, or Bill. It's fucking greed! And it will be thus until it is not. Plain & Simple.

Long before Hillary; long before even Bill & Bush 41's NAFTA...we've had a friend's whose dad made multi-millions of dollars buy selling & operating photo lithographic reduction processors (chips...computer chips!) to China.

He pays his American engineers $85/hr...he pays Chinese equivalents far-far less,

He purchases software disks that cost $600 here in the states, for which he pays $5...5 fucking bucks on the black market in Mexico

DUer's are not able to understand that it is not NAFTA that has taken all our courtesies away...it is greed. It is not Hillary. Whether she is in there, whether she is not; it is greed

Get used to it.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:18 AM
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37. I often wonder why
all the Hillary fans are missing from threads like this.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:22 AM
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38. It's probably because they're so stupid & uninformed...
:thumbsup:
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