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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:09 AM
Original message
Faux News On air Proving Rush Helped Hillary win Texas!
They are requesting emails of those from Texas who indeed voted for Hillary
because Rush told them to.

In the last hour, they have received >1,200 emails from people saying they
did.

No, probably not enough to swing the election away from Obama, but it still
showing Rush can influence our Dem primary !

According to Faux, the two reasons people are giving for doing this:
1) Prolong the fight, bloody Obama up
2) McCain would rather run against Hillary.

IF ALL YOU CAN ADD TO THIS POST IS "I DON'T BELIEVE A WORD OF ANYTHING
FAUX NEWS SAYS" DON'T WASTE THE KEYSTROKES !!!!


p.s. Trying to compare Repukes voting in past primaries to OH and TX, cnn
exit data not available for comparison - but I seem to remember his ability
to capture repuke crossovers a lot better than hers in prior primaries than
this:
OH O 49, H 49
TX O 52 H 47

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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:11 AM
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1. They are Faux News for a reason, you know
Faux is the French word for "fake."
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Man, did you read the bolded line? What might be more helpful
is some numbers on past crossover.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #4
13. It is called wedge politics, and Faux has been using the tactic for years
That does not make what they say any less fake.

Mind you, I despise both candidates, so please do not mistake me for a Clintonista. :hi: I'm just pointing out that Faux has a very well documented history of lying at almost every turn. I see no reason why not to put this into the category of "the usual lies."
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #13
39. motive for lying? just to show Rush and repukes have power? only
reason I can think for lying.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:11 AM
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2. Sour grapes in the morning?!?! Yuck.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #2
16. Care to comment on the topic? This is significant.

The OP is sharing something that has affected our primaries. The RW machine
trying to throw a wrench into our election by 1. affecting the timing of our
switch from primary election to general election campaigning and 2. trying
to choose our candidate based on electability (Hillary will be easier to go
against in the general).

So your response is flaming...kind of like the RW machine flaming our election.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #16
40. Comment on Rush Limbaugh hysteria? No thanks. I'm enjoying the morning!
Keep discounting the millions who have voted for Clinton as just Rush Limbaugh ditto heads, though.

See how that works for ya.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #2
44. Really. This whining is unattractive.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #44
86. It's not unreasonable to ask questions re unfair tactics by the right.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #2
85. Time to turn on your critical thinking skills if that's not too much to ask.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:12 AM
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3. What I keep wondering ...
is why cross over voting is allowed in primaries?
Whose decision is it to allow this (and why)?

Cheers
Drifter
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. I don't know - but it sucks. You can't tell between who is truly a
convert and who is just trying to influence you. I think what has really made a difference
now is that McCain has sewn it up. Obama was probably pulling true crossovers until Romney
dropped out.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #8
88. You should know, that the last thing the republicans want to do is go up against a Clinton
Most people know that fact, if you don't realize that fact, then do some reading POLITICS
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #3
10. I know. I'm in Texas, and in 2000 I voted for McCain in the Primary
hoping enough people in TX would recognize W.'s immorality and stupidity. I paid the price, though, by getting my name on their rancid mailing list. I don't know the rationale behind such a liberal rule.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #3
14. In Ohio, where we have a closed primary,
each voter is asked what ballot they choose to vote. At that time, the voter has a choice: Dem, rep, or Issues Only. Independent voters (those not declaring party affiliation) can choose among of the three.

If a voter is registered as a rep and wants to vote a Dem ballot, we tell them that for the next four years (until our next partisan primary) they'll be registered Democrats. If that's OK with them, they sign an affirmation form which states they are changing parties and the poll worker who is in charge of the encoder then generates an access card which produces a Dem ballot.

We poll workers don't make the rules, we just follow them.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #3
19. Primary voting is determined by the states.
In Florida you can only vote in the Democratic primary if you are a registered Dem. Independents can't vote for anyone.

Of course, your vote won't count. but that is another issue.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:14 AM
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5. obama kicked ass in pre election. kicked ass in caucus....
doesnt make since for hillary to have all the support day of.... only
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. Yep, shades of NH, isn't it.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #11
36. How did the recount go in NH?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. Funny thing about recounts - they can't check to insure that everyone
who voted actually truly lived there.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:15 AM
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6. If that's true, it will be a campaign issue
The Dems should be able to tie this kind of effort into the lack of ethics in the Republican Party. Many independents, Republicans, and Democrats believe you should respect the process, and I certainly know that most Democrats would not think of voting for Huckabee just to sabotage the Republicans. It would be unethical.

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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:16 AM
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7. This is a problem
Obama does draw crossovers who have belief and conviction in him and will vote for him in November. Hillary however is universally hated by the right and the only Republicans voting for her are doing so to fuck with our primaries.

It sort of figures that someone who did fundraisers with Rupert Murdoch of FOX News and had Ann Coulter vocally supporting her and Rush Limbaugh fundraising for her on his show would win because of those types of Republicans.

Rp
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:47 AM
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Not in Ohio
I know several "swing voters" here that went from Bush to Clinton.

They went from Clinton to Bush eight years ago. Didn't like Gore or Kerry.

No surprise, really. OH Union folk will vote for Hill in November as well.
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:17 AM
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9. But wait a silver lining
this was part of a post yesterday.

"Apparently, they didn’t realize that by implementing Rush Limbaugh’s strategy of voting for Hillary in the Primaries to prolong the Democrats fist-fight, they would not be allowed to vote for any of the Republicans on the rest of the ballot."

Some felt they were disenfranchised SOB SOB SOB!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #9
17. this is true. i was telling hubby maybe local races will convince repugs NOT to do this, .... BUT
hubby told me there was a couple to do it only to have the man be outraged that they stamped democrat on his voter card adn he stated he wanted to throw it away.

i had told hubby maybe knowing they would be branded democrat these "manly men" wouldnt do it. they were jsut too stupid and didnt know the rules, to refuse be branded democrat. i think i will tease his ass for the next year.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #9
49. in the past they ended up with spoiled ballots
so none of their votes counted. In Wisconsin we have the horrible open primary system so all parties and candidates appear on the same ballot and it wasn't unusual for cross over voters would vote in both primaries. Now we have machines that spit the ballot out so they can get a do over. So instead of them wasting their vote we are helping the unethical complete their nasty business.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:20 AM
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12. What are the numbers ?
Do you have direct evidence that the number of 'Rush' crossover voters are greater than the difference in votes received by the candidates ?

If you don't, then this is just a bunch of hot air ...

I would recommend dumping the koolaid, and stepping back from the FAUX channel ...
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #12
25. Yikes, did you read what I said? She won by 98k ! I have no
idea how many Rush votes there were. Last time I checked, ballots were secret.

The only things we know for sure are:
1) Rush called for Repukes to vote for Hillary
2) Hillary's share of crossovers, compared to O, rose.
3) Texan Repukes love Rush
4) McCain locked up GOP - didn't need the vote.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:22 AM
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15. of "REGISTERED" Democrats in Texas.....67% voted for Hillary....end of your fairytale
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #15
20. Totally irrelevent - we are talking hard votes here from repukes!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #20
24.  FACT: 52% of Republicans voting in the primary voted for Obama,
Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Putting another Obamaton lie to rest: "Hillary only won because Rush directed R's to vote for her"
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4901671#4901671
4901671, Putting another Obamaton lie to rest: "Hillary only won because Rush directed R's to vote for her"
Posted by Lirwin2 on Wed Mar-05-08 07:56 AM

FACT: Clinton won 67% of the Democratic vote.
FACT: 52% of Republicans voting in the primary voted for Obama, compared to 47% for Clinton.
FACT: Republicans, like sharks, sensed the blood of their prey, and therefore voted for the weaker candidate.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#TXDEM (Go to page 4)
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #24
30. I've always respected your opinion a lot, Rodeodance. But, I think Hillary
supporters would have more credibility if they
just said, Yep, I bet Repukes in TX did help
us out to some degree - surely not enough to
actually win it, she would have won without
them. But, to act like Rush had no influence
whatsoever is pretty much hiding heads in the
sand.

Given that O's crossovers are usually
higher than 52-47, Repukes in TX love Rush, McCain
already had the nomination sewn up, and some
people are admitting it.

I think Hillary would have won anyway - I live
in Texas and I sensed a slight advantage anyway.
But, I know how much they love Rush - he's on
every freakin am station there is - and it
pisses me off that he can affect our election.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #30
50. Because it's a LOAD OF SHIT. It didn't happen.
You people totally don't have any idea what a Latino is, do you?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #30
60. Yes. it does anger me also. and his mouth has obviously influenced voters. And
some to vote for hillary. i have not denied that. but i certainly do not know the stats. but i think anyone can call into fox--Rush prob. has people lined up to call in. i put no credibility in it. It will be jaded. he is playing games and has to make himself look good--and Fox is helping him out.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #24
82. Facts with REAL math! (Hillary may have won because of Rush)
Texas:
O:48% H:51%

Total percent of dem ballots voted on by Republicans 9%.

Of that 9% of Dem ballots voted on by Republicans 46% voted for Hillary. That means that 4% of total dem ballots were Republicans voting for Hillary.

Hillary won by 3%.

Did they effect the election? Who knows. Nobody polled the 9% to find out WHY they voted for who they voted for.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. Oops, double post.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 02:47 PM by CitizenRob

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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #15
28. How does 67% of registered Dem voters add into a 50% win in Texas?
With one delegate showing for the entire Texas race?

That specific statistic sounds bogus to me. Where did you pick it up?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #28
34. 52% of "registered" Texas Republicans 1 time crossovers voted for Obama ......that's how.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 09:48 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
78. There is NO SUCH THING as a "registered republican" in TX - you are clueless. -eom
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ctaylors6 Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #15
62. Just curious, how is that stat determining who's a "registered" democrat in TX?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #62
79. It's total made up bullshit. There is no such thing as "registered" Dems in TX. -eom
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:26 AM
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18. I figure this email group is a small percentage of people who took
Rush's advice. It's allowed, but it is frustrating. This is what happens in Texas when there is a presumptive nominee in one party. I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary because Bushwipe was such a crappy gov'ner.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:29 AM
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21. For petey's sake WHY in the hell do you believe in Rush or Fox??
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #21
26. See bolded statement in OP.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #26
43. You don't own GD-P. We have a right to post in your thread.
Deal with it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:30 AM
Response to Original message
22. Putting another Obamaton lie to rest: "Hillary only won because Rush directed R's to vote for her"
Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Putting another Obamaton lie to rest: "Hillary only won because Rush directed R's to vote for her"
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4901671#4901671
4901671, Putting another Obamaton lie to rest: "Hillary only won because Rush directed R's to vote for her"
Posted by Lirwin2 on Wed Mar-05-08 07:56 AM

FACT: Clinton won 67% of the Democratic vote.
FACT: 52% of Republicans voting in the primary voted for Obama, compared to 47% for Clinton.
FACT: Republicans, like sharks, sensed the blood of their prey, and therefore voted for the weaker candidate.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#TXDEM (Go to page 4)
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:31 AM
Response to Original message
23. So now it's Rush's fault that Hillary won Texas?
Sounds about right!

:rofl:
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #23
31. no one said that - just that he probably had some influence. nt
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #23
32. no one said that - just that he probably had some influence. nt
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:34 AM
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27. Rush such an idiot Registering new Democrats is all he did...
imagine how thats going to effect state & local elections in the near future when the only ballot they get is a Democrat one. Big headed Republicans with sh-t for brains.

I guess they haven't figured on a Democrat "Union Ticket".
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:39 AM
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29. Hillary didn't win Texas. It's much more like a tie.
Hillary gained 1 delegate over Obama in Texas.

Texas Primary: Clinton 64/ Obama 60
Texas Caucus: Obama 35/ Clinton 32

Hillary gained 15 delegates over Obama in Ohio

Ohio Primary Clinton 77/ Obama 62/ Edwards 2

The Vermont and RI Primaries canceled one another out.

Vermont Primary: Obama 9/ Clinton 6

Rhode Island Primary: Clinton 12/Obama 9

Of course, the real problem is the reporting, which is rallying HRC's base for no purpose.

Clinton won, but it's a Pyrric victory. Now it's time for peace talks so that both sides of this debate don't get slaughtered
in the general election.

Talking about repukes and Rush won't rally our party, I think.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #29
35. so, net +17? did I count right? I disagree with your last line though
I think it's appalling that Repukes can affect OUR primary! Dem State Parties need to
figure out how to minimize this.
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BlueGirlRedState Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:47 AM
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33. I was a poll worker in Austin
We got a LOT of people who made comments like:
"If I vote in the Democratic primary, I can still change in the general, right?"
"Today I'm voting strategically."
"I'm not voting my heart today."
"I'm voting in the Democratic primary today but I'm not a Democrat."

Some did not want us to stamp their voter registration card "Democratic".

We had about four times as many Democrats vote as Republicans in our precinct. I think there was a good deal of crossover, but the feeling I got was it was strategic, not conversion.

The county provided a small amount of cards with information about precinct conventions and I ran out of them before lunchtime, so I had to tell every person about the caucusing. I don't know how many came to caucus but it was a lot.

It was a long day.... I'm tired!

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. Yep, same here - worked all day and night in Waco yesterday. I think
I like the way Ohio is - if you switch you have to switch for 4 yrs!

Man, if I could meet up with John King of cnn - I slapped him right
in the face - he had everyone going last night saying -- oh, wait
for austin, harris cnty, dallas county, etc.

As hard as we worked, I regret not working harder, do you? Especially
wished we had made a more concerted effort to get people to caucus.
I would estimate at least 75% didn't know about the caucus until we
told them.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #33
42. So it's ok for Obama to appeal to Republicans, but not Hillary?
A number of us have been saying that this "reaching out to Republicans" was a bad idea, but none of the Obama supporters listened. Until today.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. Puleeze ! Get real. Repukes HATE her. My repuke inlaws would
walk ten miles on hot coals to vote against her.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #46
59. Then what's your point?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #33
47. And Obama won in Austin by a vast margin, your point?
Give it a fucking rest you people.
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BlueGirlRedState Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #47
74. And you see why people like me
who have been reading this board for years, have less than 100 posts?

Is there any reason for you to be uncivil?

I only reported in on what I saw. I didn't name names, just what I saw.

I worked a 16 hour day without a break yesterday because I think democracy is important.

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Nine Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #33
55. and what makes you think they weren't voting strategically FOR Obama?
The data supports that theory, not yours.
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BlueGirlRedState Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #55
75. I don't know who they were voting for strategically.
I didn't say I did. I even asked the Republican election judge what was the scoop on the GOP strategy as far as cross over. He said there are different schools of thought. See, I can be civil, even with the Republican judge.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:02 AM
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41. First Drudge, and now Faux News - suddenly they're reliable sources?
I will remind you that most of us don't believe a word of anything that Faux News says, whether you like it or not.

If Faux News attacked Barack, you wouldn't be pushing this here.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #41
48. You would have million times more credibility if you just admitted
that repukes had some influence - sure, not enough to change things - she would have
won tx anyway - but some. To deny that make it look like you are blind.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:49 AM
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63. Where did I deny that? - nice bait and switch.
You dragged Faux News over here and dare us to respond by pointing out that Faux News is crap, always has been crap, and always will be crap.

You and some other Obama supporters would have more credibility if you didn't have to use Drudge and Faux News as sources for the nasty rumors you like to perpetuate.

And I say that as an Obama supporter.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. Hope you can some day take your blinders off. It's upsurd to
intellectually dismiss every single message with the tired
kill the messenger approach. And, it's true no matter
who you support. It's intellectually lazy, IMHO.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #65
80. You would know.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #65
87. Laura, it's time like this when the ignore button is a really good thing.
Seriously.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:06 AM
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45. Quite a few people were/are calling into Laura Ingrahams show - stating they did it also.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 10:07 AM by jmg257
Who knows how many did so?

These idiots (laura, Rush et. al.) will be spouting all about the "continued relevancy" of talk radio.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:14 AM
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51. Let's all get something straight....
Rush did this. I also heard Glenn Beck instructing his listeners in OH and TX to do
the same. Several Beck listeners called in to say that they had voted for Hillary.

When we see these coordinated actions in talk radio, it's obvious that there is a concerted
effort going on behind the scenes.

Make no mistake people. The Republicans are TERRIFIED of running against the Obama movement.
They know that he'll trounce McCain. They know that Obama is fueling the 100 percent increase
in Dem voter turnout in these primaries. They know Obama is bringing in new voters in record
numbers. Hillary's scandals will provide them with enough attack fodder--to fill every day until
the GE. Polls show Obama beating McCain in many places, and Clinton not doing as well in a McCain
match up.

The right-wing radio hosts laugh this up and suggest, "Let's vote for Hillary to keep this fight going!"

Republicans don't orchestrate a coordinated effort like this just for kicks--because they enjoy watching
the fight.

They're scared out of their minds, at the mere thought of an Obama run.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. Perfect! You hit the nail on the head. n/t
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:18 AM
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53. and sittin in texas i KNOW people who did it. but what the fuck. back to, obama kicked ass
in early voting, in caucus, just not the actual day vote. why?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #53
58. Why did they even call Texas?????
Gee, usually don't we wait for the returns to come in before we call a state for a candidate????

The Texas caucus results determine who gets delegates--as well as the Texas vote--isn't that right?

Gee, one more example of the media doing Hillary's bidding.

"I want the Texas winner declared BEFORE those caucus results come in!! I need to gallivant around
the country and appear on all the talk shows as a WINNER! Call Texas for me now!"

Why does the media insist on playing a major role in Hillary's PR-spin game???

Why did they call Texas before the results were all in????
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. Hey, we're you listening to John King on CNN and his map? That
is what pissed me off - he had us all going saying that the results
in Houston and Dallas were not in yet and they were big Obama
precincts. That is just mysterously fizzled.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #66
76. I remember King saying that last night...
So, Obama's lead in the caucus fizzled as well?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. think he's up 3 w/ 37% in. We lost our caucus by 1 vote - Delegates O4, H5
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #51
57. AMEN
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #51
68. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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Nine Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:25 AM
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54. And how does advertising this help their strategy?
I won't repost the exit polls that disprove your claim because they've been posted in this thread and elsewhere already and you simply choose to ignore them.

But let's just look at the logic of their purported strategy. They allegedly want Hillary to be the nominee because she is the weaker candidate. So they make sure to shout this strategy from the rooftops (rather than run a whisper campaign) so that we Dems will know this. And that's before Hillary has any sort of lock on the nomination and with the superdelegates able to change their support all the way up to the convention.

How about this? Is it possible that Rush's audience followed Rush's strategy but applied it to Obama instead because they thought he was truly the weaker candidate? And they knew that "bone in your nose" Rush couldn't come out and say that directly because he would expose himself (well maybe expose isn't the right word :eyes:) as a racist?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #54
69. that's funny ! exactly how would they tell them to vote for hillary
without telling them over the air to vote for hillary? speaking of logic, that is.

Second point, O has the record of many primaries that he can pull more crossovers (before
McCain was a shoo in). She does not. In a misogynist state like Texas, I doubt
they would have been the first state to suddenly decide to love a woman candidate.

But, like I said before - I think she would have won anyway. I calculate Rush got
her about 47k - but she won by 98k
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:29 AM
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56. Hillary as DEM nominee is the GOP's wet dream
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:44 AM
Response to Original message
61. Yes, the all-powerful RUSH is the REAL power in America
Denial is futile.

You will be assimilated and your uniqueness WILL NOT be added to the collective.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:52 AM
Response to Original message
64. I believe it to be true
those votes Hillary gets in places like Ohio and Texas will Vaporize come the GE.

Hillary is counting Chickens far before they are hatched.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:32 PM
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67. Obama Got More Than She Did.
Please, open your eyes a little.

Hillary dominated amongst Dems and that was even with her being outspent 2-1, 3-1. She won solidly last night on her own merits.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. totally irrelevent. He has ALWAYS gotten a lot more than she.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:41 PM
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71. "Totally Irrelevant"
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. that's intelligent !
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. It's Accurate, That's For Sure!
:hi:
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:59 PM
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77. You believe them don't you?
I am simply in awe that within the past week, Matt Drudge and Fox News have became important news agencies and reliable sources for this board.

Any moran from their mother's basement can send in an " I want to be important too!" email that says ANYTHING.


Get a GRIP people! Sheesh.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:47 PM
Response to Original message
84. the REAL math, click to read.
Texas:
O:48% H:51%

Total percent of dem ballots voted on by Republicans 9%.

Of that 9% of Dem ballots voted on by Republicans 46% voted for Hillary. That means that 4% of total dem ballots were Republicans voting for Hillary.

Hillary won by 3%.

Did they effect the election? Who knows. Nobody polled the 9% to find out WHY they voted for who they voted for.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:19 AM
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89. Do the exit poll questions cover the motivation for crossover voting?
If not, we'll never really know whether malicious crossover voting swung any state.
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