Both Hillary and Obama will be DEFINED negatively by June, while McCain will still be the "war hero"

[angie_love]

and largely undefined, THATS what i'm afraid of if this thing goes to the convention. I've been trying to weigh the positives and negatives of a long drawn out fight but I really don't see a situation where this helps us. You can say that it knocks McCain out of the headlines, but the headlines will mostly be "Hillary attacks Obama or Obama attacks back". The only way I see it helping us is if Hillary decides to join Obama in attacking McCain but I don't see that happening as her attacks on Obama are working.

I've been looking at some of the polls and in some polls McCain is winning the argument on the economy in a matchup against both dems. THIS SHOULDN"T BE HAPPENING!! The man even admitted he didn't know much about the economy. McCain is seen as a war hero. He is going unscathed, unblemished, untainted so far. The repug party is united around him, he can start raising $ right now. If McCain was a tough candidate to start with, this battle we're having is going to make him even tougher to beat.

Look at this point I'll take a Hillary/Obama ticket if it means this fighting ends now and we can get some unity. But the longer this continues the worse our chances are in November. We are split as hell right now and that isn't going to end unless we can unite.

Please tell me otherwise b/c I would LOVE for this NOT to be true. But I can't see how its not going to happen.

[Skittles]

1. YOU KNOW IT ANGIE

the key for the Democratic nominee is getting them to REALLY KNOW MCCAIN. :puke:

[woolldog]

2. Did you hear his speech?

He portrayed both Clinton and Obama as fighting each other and hurling insults at each other for their own political ambitions, for power. It was actually a frighteningly effective speech as he managed to portray them as spoiled brats with huge egos who care nothing about the country, but care more about their own ambitions....in contrast to the humble, poorly spoken McCain who just loves his country.

Like I said it was scary good. This needs to get wrapped up quickly.

[Briar]

3. Time to take on

the primitive moral codes which find those who kill heroic and worthy to lead us. McCain's "heroism" results from his willingness to drop Agent Orange, Napalm and other lethal devices on Vietnamese villagers. Anyone who is prepared to swallow a description of such war crimes as heroic deserves McCain as President.

[nebula]

4. John Kerry denounced his own violent participation in that conflict

For that he truly is a hero.

[lapfog_1]

5. Bingo!

The longer this goes on, the more I have start practicing "President McCain"...

and mourning the loss of more stuff, mostly the opportunity to put things back and undo the damage of the Chimperator.

[nebula]

6. Hillary is campaigning for McCain, doing his dirty work for him

and has practically admitted to it.

[NewJeffCT]

7. Even if the race ended a month ago, it would not matter

the media loves McCain and will do whatever it takes to keep him in power. The RW can define somebody at the touch of a button.

The NY Times lobbyist affair story was a big W for McCain. The Times had nothing beyond the initial story - at least nothing that made it to the Corporate media - and it served to rally the RW behind McCain because the "liberal" NY Times was picking on him. The fact that lobbyists are a big part of McCain's life hardly came up at all.

[angie_love]

8. Kick for some more opinions

[angie_love]

9. ditto

[CitizenRob]

10. Why are we destroying our own party?

Hillary supporters keep saying Obama has gone negative just like Hillary, but I haven't seen it. Whenever I see or hear him speak he is talking about what we can be as a nation, not what Hillary is going to do to destroy it.

Pointing out policy differences is what we're supposed to be doing to choose a candidate. Not ripping the other to shreds over some piece of dug up dirt. If that's the politics of the Dems we deserve to lose.

[doubleteammccain1]

11. The Democrats now have the advantage...

if they play their cards right and both focus on McCain's short comings instead of each others. How can the candidates be persuaded that such a strategy would be in everyone's best interests, including theirs?

[OzarkDem]

12. When GOP voters switch to Dem candidates

that's the kind of political discourse they want to engage in.

Neither candidate has been that harsh on the other and both have stuck to defining themselves on the issues.

All the negative nasty stuff is coming from supporters, many of whom are probably conservatives who are abandoning the GOP this time around and bringing their nasty selves into this race.

As long as both candidates are being honest and focusing on the issues, there won't be a problem.