It's not about experience! It's about the fact that Hillary made it seem that she prefers McCain

[Liberal Dose]

over Obama. Hillary has been pointing out Obama's so-called "inexperience" forever, so now why all the flap? Because she PLACED A REPUBLICAN ABOVE A FELLOW DEMOCRAT. I don't give a rat's ass if it's fact or not. SHE DID NOT HAVE TO SAY IT!!! Did you get that?

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[LeftCoast]

1. No. It's about some people spinning shit and playing 'gotcha politics'

[KittyWampus]

8. Words do indeed have meaning. She choose those words. Touting A GOP'er over Obama?

When she has no experience herself?

Apparently you believe there should be no consequences?

[LeftCoast]

15. What words are those? Because all I'm seeing from Obama folks is spin

[Liberal Dose]

21. What spin? Would you have advised her throw McCain's name in there? nt

[JackORoses]

26. No, It's about the brand of Shitbag Politics that the Clintons employ

She knew exactly what she was saying.
And she still said it.

She is treacherous and has no place in the White House.

[Liberal Dose]

28. Thank you. I hate the way her supporters are trying to make it seem like it's about the amount of

experience one may have over the other. That's not it at all. This is a new form of attack on Obama, and I can't quite understand what she hopes to gain.

[tabasco]

2. She does prefer John McCain.

She would see us live through another 4 years of republican hell just so she has a better chance in 2012.

[1620rock]

4. Oh give it a rest for Christ sake.

[Tom Rinaldo]

5. Why don't you make up some more lies while you are at it? n/t

[Liberal Dose]

12. "She made it seem" is not a lie, it is my opinion. So stop following me around calling me a liar.

What is your problem? Don't bother answering, you're on ignore. Creep.

[Tom Rinaldo]

16. "She would see us live through another 4 years of republican hell just so she has a better chance"

"She would see us live through another 4 years of republican hell just so she has a better chance in 2012."

Try that one on for size for lies. You made that one up all by yourself.

I don't care if you have me on ignore or not, when I see a lie I respond. I have no idea if this is the first one you wrote today since I am not following you around. I am following the multiple threads that have popped up with the current smears against Clinton though. You must be active on more than one also.

[tabasco]

34. I don't have time to make up lies like Hillary.

"I didn't have time to get that tax information together."

H. Clinton is a much more accomplished liar then me, and she relies on gullible fools such as yourself to believe them.

[movonne]

30. and endless wars...

[ClassWarrior]

3. Yup, they don't get the fact that it's all about perception. Obama was legalistically...

...correct when he made the Reagan comment, but it created a bad perception. Same here. But her campaign is so tone deaf, they can't see that.

NGU.

[bunnies]

6. bingo. nt

[redqueen]

13. Excellent analogy... I was equally offended by his "reagan praise".

*sigh*

[Liberal Dose]

14. I was HORRIFIED when Obama made the Reagan comment. I am still voting for him, but cannot bring

myself to defend him for saying something stupid. I really do miss John Edwards.

[yellerpup]

7. I'm feeling your frustration, Mzztakable.

Did not have to happen.

[Liberal Dose]

20. Thank you. You are good company. nt

:hi:

[OhioBlue]

9. It is about Hillary being bad at campaigns

The campaign will be about framing the issues, and defining our candidate. Kerry didn't define himself soon enough and the Republicans did it for him. We need to present a united front, define our candidate and frame the issues to voters. Obama is fantastic at campaigning. He understands this.

The problem we have now is Hillary has gone rabid dog lately and is tearing the party into two camps those that are working to define our candidate and those that are attacking him.

It doesn't matter if McCain has more experience in the Senate. Hell Robert Byrd has a lot of experience in the Senate - but we're not putting him up as our Presidential Candidate. It is about how we frame the issue. If we make Judgment more important than experience and people agree - it doesn't matter. When Hillary says John McCain has more experience she drops the ball. The Rs will replay that and replay that and replay that and replay that against her and Obama - she just made it about experience and McCain has more than her or Obama. This is why she has had to go negative. She is a bad campaigner and she has had to resort to negative attacks to try and get a few point bump. She is really, really bad as a candidate.

[Liberal Dose]

19. You are so right. I wish she had surrounded herself with people who would advise her against these

bad moves. I could've gotten behind her when Edwards dropped out, but then Bill came started opening his mouth and a bunch of lies spilled out.

[Raffi Ella]

10. uh huh,right.

When you admit that that sentiment applies to Obamas glorification of Raygun above and beyond any Democrat I will give your outrageous claim that Hillary "prefers McCain"( because she dared to point out that Obama has NO EXPERIENCE and is UNQUALIFIED for the position)the time of day,k?

[Liberal Dose]

17. Where did I say that Hillary prefers McCain? I DID NOT SAY THAT. I said she made it seem that way.

My freaking god read it again if you have to.

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. Like Obama never undercuts Hillary's "judgment" to be President?

Or her ability to lead and unify the country after claiming she is part of the "politics of division" that America needs to leave behind?

Open your eyes. If a fact is obvious the American people are not so dumb that they don't see it for themselves. McCain has much more experience than Obama. To the extent that experience matters to people that will play to McCain's advantage. Hillary didn't just spill some deep dark secret from Obama's past. The Republicans will attack Obama over it and they don't need Clinton's help to do so. Obama staked out his campaign to be about the future not the past. That seems to be how he plans to deal with the experience factor. He has a plan, maybe a good one, maybe not, but he understands where the heat will come from and why. This isn't Hillary's doing. If Obama did not want to be vulnerable on this issue he maybe could have waited until he finished at least one full term in Congress before he ran for President.

[movonne]

18. How is mc cain more experience than Obama??? he want endless

war and so does she...please explain all the experience that hillary has..being first lady...well then I guess Laura has more experience than Obama..he is a senator...hillary is a senator...

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. You are confusing experience with good judgment

Obama is clever enough not to make that mistake. More often than not experience leads to greater skills and a better outcome. That is why a master carpenter gets paid more than an apprentice, and the same pattern exists in every field. But there are plenty of exceptions to the rule and Obama is running as one of those exceptions. Meanwhile there are some people with experience who get their liscence revoked for continual shoddy worksmanship.

But by and large veterans are more valuable in the here and now than rookies. That's just the way it is, and it is that way for sound reasons, and Obama simply has to overcome those reasons with his case on its merrits.

Even if you leave Hillary's White House years completely out of it, which is foolish or dishonest to the extreme (Before this election campaing anyone who would even hint that someone like Laura Bush gets the same experience out of being First Lady as someone like Eleanor Roosevelt would have been laughed right off this board) there is still this:

After Barack Obama got elected to the U.S Senate Obama spent much of his first year there year mostly getting oriented to the Institution and the players there, one year actually working, and the last year running for President. Hillary was weel acquanted with Capital Hill before she ran the first Time for the U.S. Senate. She has spent over three times the productive years spent in it than has Barack Obama.

And it isn't what we here think that matters, it is what the general public believes, and every poll ever taken gives Hillary Clinton a strong advantage over Obama when the matter of experience is raised.

[scheming daemons]

25. Obama has never said that McCain has better judgement than Hillary...

...

That's the difference.

If you can't see it... it is because you don't want to.

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. McCain has much more experience than Barack Obama

It is not simply a matter of opinion.

That's the difference.

If you can't see it... it is because you don't want to.

Obama always knew that this was his biggest vulnerability. That is a big reason why he wants to frame this race as being about the future rather than the past, which is a smart move by him, but the facts remain and they are a factor to consider regarding electability.

[jwirr]

22. No matter what she really means they will use this one against

him in the GE. We need to stop destroying ourselves.

[Liberal Dose]

23. Exactly. Thank you. nt

[movonne]

29. I would like one the hillary supporters to list all of hillary's experience..and

while you are at it list mccain's...he was tortured and thinks that torture is o.k....she wants to have more wars...is this the experience we are talking about..

[Liberal Dose]

32. I would like the Hillary supporters to say whether or not they would've advised Hillary to use those

exact words, and to explain why or why not.

[cottonseed]

31. I think they're all swingers.

They're just down for whatever feels good. No problem between these 2 of hopping in bed with one another. Of the remaining candidates, Obama feels like the values candidate right now.

[Liberal Dose]

33. Nice analogy, but I pictured it and threw up a little. nt

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