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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:11 PM
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America must DEFEAT HILLARY and then DEFEAT McCain!!
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 09:11 PM by PretzelWarrior
These 2 candidates represent the oil loving, centrist, corporate slaves I want no part of. If all of us care for this country and wish to see a TRUE NEW direction as well as an excitement among Democrats that will translate to many Dem victories in the house and senate.

We MUST get the votes out for Obama and finish what we've started!!!

As I see this last week or so unfold it really brings out for me how low and dirty politics can really be even when both groups are supposedly "on the same side".

It is evil. And it's why I hope so many Democrats who are just regular people and regular Americans will DENOUNCE AND REJECT what Hillary is doing and vote for Obama. Send her a message that we are tired of all the fabricated scandal and the innuendos and the fear mongering.

BYE BYE HILLARY. GO BACK TO NY!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:14 PM
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1. wow. 3 recommends inside of 5 minutes? I'm impressed.
thanks to whoever did so.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:12 PM
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155. Yep, the kool-aid gets passed around pretty quickly by your kind
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #155
157. 'your kind' - classy.
Return in kind - while you pass around whatever it is that you pass.
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delt664 Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #155
186. Kool-Aid is delicious
Sour grapes however, are not.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #186
190. Did I just wake up from a nap I took in 2002?
you anti-war types are crazy :sarcasm:
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:28 PM
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160. We must defeat Hillary, then defeat McCain, then defeat Obama, and then we're going to defeat
South Dakota, and Oregon and Washington and Michigan, and then we're going to Washington, D.C., to defeat the White House! YeaAHah!!!


oh sorry... got carried away there!

:hide:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:15 PM
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2. oh stop..we have two democratic candidates..wtf is your problem ?
i am getting sick of this shit from you obama supporters..who died and made you fucking boss???????????

I am a democrat..i supported Edwards...a man with morals..and integrity....your fucking obama is a damn liar..and you want to bitch???????????

stop the bullshit!

fly
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:17 PM
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4. UH....I was an Edwards supporter as well. donated hundreds to him
and when he lost I chose the next best which is by FAR Mr. Obama. I can't see how you can argue the point if you were for Edwards. Whatever. I just think you're full of sh!t if you can say "Obama's a liar" without pointing to all the ridiculous falsehoods Hillary has spouted.

What did Obama lie about? NOW! If you don't answer, you're a coward. (plagiarized from Colbert).
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:31 PM
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19. HELLO
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 08:32 PM by Skittles
ever consider the fact they are both liars??? That's what politicians do!! Many of their lies won't be proven until after one is in office!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. that's my point. it's an ignorant charge against a politician
as though the one you are for is any better. it's like saying...."oh 'so and so' is such a panderer"
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:59 PM
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25. it is truly something to behold
I swear they whine and cry as if they have never SEEN a political campaign before :o
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:13 PM
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29. I'm hoping it's flop sweat and desperation
and that people won't be sucked into this vortex of negativity. Obama needs to come out with his own negative ads to bombard her with if she somehow wins both Ohio and Texas. JUST BURY HER with the same thing she has been doing. JUST LAY WASTE TO THESE STUPID PEOPLE WHO THINK IT'S THEIR BIRTH RIGHT TO HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE>

NO MORE BUSHeS. NO MORE CLINTONS!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:39 PM
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33. cannot agree with you there
I cannot see a distinct clear advantage between Obama or HRC and am disappointed in both of them; neither one of them warrants the kind of adulation and hatred seen inside DU and out and that's why I find this entire campaign season particularly perplexing
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:57 AM
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #120
136. ??????????
So everyone who works for Hillary is SCUM? WTF is the matter with you?
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #136
158. Word: Mark Penn
Word: DNC Terry.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:33 PM
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45. Lie? How about Nafta- Shafta?
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 10:36 PM by barb162
And if he's now telling the truth , it shows he doesn't know what's going on in his own campaign.
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:38 AM
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92. You bring up a good point ...
"I can't see how you can argue the point if you were for Edwards."

I wonder how the numbers break down, after Edwards dropped out, who his supporters then decided to back?

:shrug:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:19 PM
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6. Tell 'em, fly!
:thumbsup:
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:31 PM
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20. Remember...
Oprah an ABC corporate suck up is God and her followers will whatever Oprah tells them to do...just vote smart people...but I guess that's just too much from stupid America...why do I get the feeling that we're gonna end up with Insane McCain?...
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. no way.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:43 PM
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58. Edwards dropped out.
Now it's between Clinton & Obama. Watch this then decide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #58
77. exactly. Give me Obama. or give me Edwards
Clinton needs to STFU and take her loss like a man.
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Kare Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #58
131. I don't get it
Living in the whitehouse watching Bill is experience? Shouldn't their cat be running for office then?

Sure she did more than just live there but how much of her experience was just PR and how much was really worthwhile?

I don't think that I have ever really heard a valid explanation for how being the first lady is such wonderful experience.

:shrug:
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:57 AM
Response to Reply #2
100. Hillary said today that McCain and she were more qualified than Obama ....
She's no Liberal Democrat.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #100
124. Well Obama says he and Dick Cheney
Agree on gay equality questions and that he and Cheney are right. He chose Cheney to equate himself to. Is that what a liberal Democrat does, in between voting to preserve the Patriot Act and funding the war? Got to tell you, not in my book. The Party rejected the liberals already, and these two are twin centerists at best.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #124
147. Well said
Ain't nothing liberal about either one of them.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #2
111. Yeah and I'll bet you think he's a ma ma ma Muslim too!
Just like Mrs. Clinton does.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:21 AM
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118. You say "stop the bullsh*t"
in the very same post where you say "your fucking obama is a damn liar"??

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:40 AM
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126. Some say it was over after super tuesday, and it took a week for the math to be done
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 10:43 AM by FogerRox
and to have those numbers sink into ones head.

And with the same line of thinking, I bought my first Obama button as I supported Edwards from the end of summer '07 onward. I drove from NJ to NH the weekend of the primaries in support of Edwards, got pix and vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdRAVS9nwI4











.....regardless, it should be clear to everyone by tonight or tomorrow.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:17 PM
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3. yep
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:19 PM
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5. Defeat everyone!!!1!11!!!
Then defeat those suspected of harboring pseudopods!

Your toes (and precious bodily fluids) are depending on YOU!!!

Can I get you a cup of tea or something? You seem tense.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:50 PM
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Then doesn't experience teach you...
...to ask Monica to go down?
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #37
53. Wow. Misogynist much? You are actually saying that Bill...
cheated because Senator Clinton didn't give him enough oral sex? Have you heard this first hand or are you just projecting your own immaturity and woman hating?

You're not even blaming Bush's selection on Bill. It's Hillary's fault. Amazing.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #53
168. "Clinton needs to STFU and take her loss like a man." - another gem from
the fingertips of PW, upthread, as a follow-up to the commentary on Bill & Hillary's love life...
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #37
56. You just lost any credibility.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #37
60. Somewhere, freepers are reading your post and smiling.
Well done.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #37
66. Wow, Pretz. That's pretty vile.
:thumbsdown:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #37
67. Wow, Pretz. That's pretty vile.
:thumbsdown:
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #37
85. I'm not sure how many people will alert on your Hillary/Monica oral sex SEXIST garbage, but
I sure hope it's quite a few.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #37
98. You just went way too far with this one post
This was WAAAAY over the line. And I'm an Obama supporter.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:05 AM
Response to Reply #37
102. Do you know how disgusting your comment is?
And the OP sucks too.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:38 AM
Response to Reply #102
104. sorry. if Obama won't take her to task then I will
they are skirting the line for MONTHS over at the Clinton camp talking of the black vote in South Carolina, circulating the picture of Obama in African garb to instill fear of "the other" in regular voters...they are the ones stomping on the reputation and ideals of this man because that's all they can do if they don't want to step gracefully aside.

They deserve these cheap shots because that's all they've been dishing out.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #104
123. You should try to get a job with Obama
It would be a great asset to Hillary.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #104
125. Anyone who believes Drudge about anything
is a tool of the Republican machine. If Matt Drudge said the sky was blue, I would instantly know it was not. It is that simple.
What is it like to suck up the propaganda of the otherside and call it sweet?
I'd be ashamed, but then again, I read the sexism of your postings and the hatred toward a Democratic candidate currently favored by a large enough percentage to matter.

America must defeat a Democrat? Up yours. With scrambled eggs for Durdge.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:10 AM
Response to Reply #37
106. Any argument you may or may not have had for your candidate
just went down the toilet with that post.

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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:37 AM
Response to Reply #106
109. HIllary wants to play dirty? I WILL play dirty
she fucked with the wrong campaign.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #109
122. So you're the campaign now?
Watch out everyone, PretzelWarrior is on the prowl!

:rofl:

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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:21 PM
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7. Why are you surprised about the rec's?
There are people that just sit here and wait for this kind of post so they can flood the greatest page with them.

But thanks for telling me what i MUST do and why i MUST do it.

All this time, I thought the democratic process allowed me to make my own choice.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. Sorry, Pretzel Warrior wasn't writing to you..
we know who he was addressing.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Then, perhpas he should have posted in the Obama Group
and not gd:p.

Or are those of us he is not talking to not supposed to be here?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. Get a clue...you just wanna
whine.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #16
138. Maybe we're not Americans in Obamamerica.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #14
135. I thought he was addressing AMERICA.
Which of us does that now exclude?
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:21 PM
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8. I agree with you and we do need the participation of the American...
people to make change. I think if Clinton or McCain gets in, people will just go back to ignoring politics and give in again.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #8
32. yes!!! that's the whole point. they smell of the "OLD"
and we know where that has gotten us.

I also think Obama should be all Messianic in his speeches. That's what won him support originally....he needs to lay it on thick tomorrow evening after he wipes the floor with Hillary.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. The system is too corrupted for me to get excited too soon. I can...
only HOPE!:thumbsup:
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. hehe. exactly. we really WON'T KNOW until
we try. It has literally been over a generation since people have had this kind of hope....and it was so quickly crushed by the powers.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #32
55. You can't be real. Obama should be "all Messianic" in his...
speeches? It doesn't matter if he means anything as long as it sounds like he does.

And, yes, certainly everything OLD is BAD! (You sound like you're 13 BTW.)

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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #55
63. it doesn't matter what you think
the most important thing is what many millions in Texas and Ohio think. what I mean is he shouldn't be made to feel self conscious just because he can get people inspired with the power of his words. He has shown his experience....he's shown judgement....he needs to move voters to jump up and be counted--something the Democrats haven't done well enough.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #63
71. No. I think "the most important thing" to you is what you think.
You really haven't done your candidate any favors here.

And thanks for pointing out that my thinking doesn't matter.

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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #71
76. no. what is important for me is a REAL DEMOCRAT in the White House
Kucinich or Edwards would have been my best picks...Kucinich is unelectable. Edwards? Just couldn't catch fire because Americans don't understand how the regular worker is getting shafted more and more every decade.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #76
82. I also supported Edwards for a while, and I don't see anything...
in Obama that suggests he would be a champion of "the regular worker," anymore than Clinton would be.

My concern, for you, is how you manage to insult so many people in just one thread. Again, you are not doing your candidate any favors.

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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #82
88. I think the HUGE difference in them is that he has a chance to get...
the public to pay attention to the raping that is happening to us and our country. If people continue with the" I don't care about the corruption because we cant do anything" attitude, we are finished. At least if someone can motivate people to get involved and pay attention, just maybe we could see some kind of change. Now I don't mean anything big because the elite and corrupt would give him the JFK treatment if he made too many waves in their agenda. They have already shown us that they will break the laws to get what THEY want and we have already shown them that we will accept it. I don't think they will allow Obama to win anyways but if they did, he should pick Dennis Kucinich as his vice president. There is no way they would take out Obama and let Kucinich get in there. Taking out two would just be too obvious and cause some serious problems.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #88
90. very well put. I agree.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #88
91. I've heard that Obama/Kucinich idea and it's creative....
however, we'd be back to hearing the media constantly ridicule DK and his UFO. And McCrazy would win.

We need to think of someone who is a threat to the Rethugs who wouldn't drag down the ticket.

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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 06:41 AM
Response to Reply #91
110. With the turnout that Obama has been getting, I think that there...
may be enough of America waking up to politics as usual like the Clintons and the republicans use and I think people are closing their ears to it. I would hope that Americans wouldn't decide their president on some dirty politics that really mean nothing to us or our children. If the election had no chance of being stolen, I would say this years election would show what the American people really want out of politics but you cant count out the powerful that run the country. I mean if they can just do away with the constitution after a false flag event without even giving it a REAL investigation, they can do anything.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #32
137. "Obama should be all Messianic in his speeches."
What flavor was that Koolaid?
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #32
139. Yikes...if this isn't a joke, then wow.
He should be Messianic in his speeches? You know, that does turn some of us off.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #139
148. I truly hope that not one person will make a choice for our...
childrens future based on something someone says on a message board, that would be horrible. If you weren't saying that you were turned off because of someones comment and were talking about Obama being messianic, I withdraw my comment.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:22 PM
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9. DUPE
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 08:25 PM by flyarm
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:22 PM
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10. Yup
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:19 AM
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197. k
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:23 PM
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11. Have you "crossed over?" WHAAA.????
:shrug:
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:58 PM
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24. Hey my good man, Koko. I remember you.
you and I did battle over whether Charlie Chan series was racist stereotype way back in 2003. I have been for Obama since Edwards dropped out.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:24 PM
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12. ...
:thumbsup:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:24 PM
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13. AMEN!! The future is bright the future is Obama!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:53 PM
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38. I love your sigline
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:28 PM
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15. I Strongly Disagree. America Must Rally Behind Obama's Call to Action!!
Although I started out opposed to Sen. Clinton, I must admit that I've gone through a big transformation after checking out Obama's positions and listening to the way he frames the debate. I have not been this excited about politics for many, many years (ok, ever). I am hardly a zealot, but, man, am I psyched!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:04 PM
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26. I am excited to hear your positive take. also....
great sig line. I just want this so bad I can taste it. I've survived the Gore/Kerry runs....I want someone that inspires me. Obama does. Hillary is just more of the same re-heated leftovers.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:30 PM
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17. Totally.

The Democratic party, and any chance we have to change things, are doomed otherwise.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:31 PM
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18. After watching KO tonight, I can honestly say I never want to hear or see Hillary again. I'm done.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:06 PM
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28. Yeah and how bias is Keith over and over and over! No balance there!
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Maineman Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:10 PM
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43. I am with you
In November, I am voting for someone who has integrity and who is not a power freak. I am voting for Barack Obama regardless of who the nominee is. I will write in his name, or pass, if necessary.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:32 PM
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21. Newsflash: Obama is a Centrist.
But he is really popular and I will support him as Nominee.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:19 PM
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30. Newsflash.
I think he's just running as one and will actually be quite liberal leaning in his policies.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:59 PM
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40. You think that, huh?
How is that different from Hillary?
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:22 PM
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31. thanks again everyone for the REC's
it looks like mine is amost to the top of the "Sorted by Recommendations" at the "GREATEST" page.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:45 PM
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35. K/R - if either wins, it's 4 more years of Bush & Co.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:48 PM
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36. Kick!
:kick:

Yes to new leadership. No to HillMcCain!
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:30 AM
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196. k
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:10 PM
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42. They're starting to Sound Like one and the Same at this point

I hope he cleans her fucking clock tomorrow!!
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:12 PM
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44. I thought this was Democratic Underground ???
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:18 PM
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46. Oh yes, Obama is such a revolutionary candidate.
What with "reforming" NCLB and NAFTA and supporting civil unions because of his religious beliefs.

And how sick that you'd talk about "defeating" Clinton and McCain in the same breath.

Just another Democrat.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:19 PM
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47. Stop that!
We're all democrats here.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:21 PM
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48. Maybe you should tell the OP.
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 11:22 PM by Harvey Korman
Posts like his drive me even farther from Obama, if that's possible at this point.

Now Obama supporters speak for America? I'm tired of the fucking arrogance and the overblown sense of importance and so are a lot of other people.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:40 PM
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54. Check this out.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:45 PM
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59. Save it.
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 11:47 PM by Harvey Korman
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:00 AM
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61. I always thought she was beautiful.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:26 PM
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49. He'll likely beat Hillary, but beating McCain may be close to impossible.
His task is not easy. He has to take out BOTH of them, and I can't see that happening. Most DINOs and RINOs will likely flock to McCain. The electoral numbers don't look too good either.
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cseper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:31 PM
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161. but beating McCain may be close to impossible.
Right,and I've been reading this, trying to figure out people's love for Obama. And I can't past the feeling that 'there is no there there'. Where is Obama's substance? Clearly, he gives a great speech and is inspiring. But when he says 'Yes we can', I wonder 'how?' and see no answers. Demagoguery is not going to clean up Washington.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:28 PM
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50. Hillary? Watch what you wish for - No tax records - Bill paid Millions by Dubia & India backers -
Do you really think Hillary and Bill just want to play nice for the American people? She is very divisive and secretive and if you think that she is going to change her ways - FORGET IT! She will play the game as she says about Obama more then we can even imagine - Just give her time!

I fear that the Democrat Party is going to be the BIG loser in this charade! It is making me sick to think about it!

Articles:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/hillarys-unreleas_b_88915.html

Hillarys unreleased tax returns makes her riskiest candidate
By: Paul Abrams

HUFFINGTON POST -

(snip)

Huh? Her tax returns are already done and submitted to the IRS. She does not have to collect papers. All she need do is leave her accountant a voice mail (about 15 seconds), and have him hit the "send" button on his computer that stores her returns. If she can watch Saturday Night Live and MSNBC (she referred to her having watched them during the debate), then she certainly has 15 seconds to provide her accountant instructions to send out her tax returns.

Then, today, we are told by the campaign that there will be no tax returns released until after she secures the nomination.

Let us agree with Hillary that the American people care about their jobs, their children's education, the Iraq War, healthcare, and other issues that directly impact them, and not candidates' tax returns.

Nonetheless, it is hard to listen to the waffling, and then the redrawn line-in-the-sand, without assuming that there must be some very embarrassing information in those returns that would turn off voters. Why else would she just not release them, and remove doubt?

///

Here is an article on the Clinton's Resko - Why isn't the media talking about Vin Gupta: The man the Clintons love
By Aziz Haniffa in Washington, DC | May 30, 2007 -

Vinod 'Vin' Gupta, 60, founder, chairman and CEO of infoUSA -- one of America's largest consumers of information with millions of clients -- is probably the single biggest contributor to the Democratic Party over the years.

He is a longtime Clinton benefactor, who has suddenly found himself thrust into the public domain in the wake of major articles in the New York Times and the Washington Post regarding his use of his company's private jet to fly the former President and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on personal, business and campaign trips.

Some shareholders in infoUSA have filed a lawsuit alleging that all of this was 'a waste of corporate assets', and an effort by Gupta to 'ingratiate himself', with these high-profile guests.

(snip)

Just before his second term ended, Clinton appointed Gupta as a member to the prestigious Board of Trustees of the John F Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. But even with Clinton out of the White House, Gupta's friendship with the now former President grew, and he brought him on as a consultant to infoUSA and, according to the lawsuit, beyond nearly $3 million in consulting fees, had flown the Clintons and himself to Acapulco, Mexico, on a vacation in 2002 and also to Switzerland, Hawaii and Jamaica. He was also said to have provided corporate jets for Mrs. Clinton at least seven times since 2002, although it was unclear whether he had done so after she began her Presidential campaign.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/may/30vin.htm

////////

They know how to play the game to win - but at what price?

:shrug:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:54 AM
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93. The "Democrat Party" -- ?
Uh ... that's a Republican locution. Like calling Republicans "Repukelickers" or calling Hillary "hilary".

And gawd forbid that Bill Clinton should make some money! It's proof that he's crooked! Money is BAD -- except for the money Barack Obama rakes in from selling political snake oil.

If Obama becomes President, when he leaves office, he will also jump on board that gravy train. And good for him!

--p!
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:50 AM
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142. What did Hillary do that is devisive?
Republicans have spent millions of dollars investigating the Clintons and found nothing. I am sure if the government sent that much money to inverstigate you, they would come up with a few charges.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:32 PM
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145. How about the Obama "has only a speech" comment!!!!! That's is enought for me!!!!!!!
:grr:
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:51 PM
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192. She said Senator Obama had a speech. Wow. Truth hurts.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 04:51 PM by Sonnenschein
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froggy0 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:28 PM
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51. but ONLY Hillary can bear McCain
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:14 AM
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62. Hillary can't beat her way out of a paper bag
and she will be back to Senator full time soon..
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:47 AM
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129. Well if Hillary will be a full time Senator
At least she's been one before. Obama's absent so often that he clearly sees it as a part time gig.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:28 PM
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52. This is extraordinarily powerful groupthink.
I'm impressed and just a little bit frightened.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:20 AM
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64. a lot of people took convincing and have FINALLY changed
their minds. that's not groupthink--that's persuasion and the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. groupthink is when Bushies all meet in a room and no one questions the "Godfather" Cheney when they say we should go into Iraq. Groupthink is all the chickensh!t Dems going along with the GOP majority to vote the keys to the kingdom to a guy who already showed what a deplorable leader he was.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:23 AM
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134. Only a little?
Ever read Ionesco's Rhinoceros?
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:43 PM
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57. WTF Pretzel. I don't think so.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:22 AM
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68. why do you say that? what part do you agree with
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:21 AM
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65. Clean your own house first- Obama's economic advisors
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 12:22 AM by JCMach1
are pure Chicago school... ie, the spawn of Milton Friedman. http://thesyndrome.com/index.php?s=chicago+school
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:25 AM
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70. that's not true
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:58 AM
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94. Check their rsums. Chicago School of Economics.
I'm not conversant with all their names yet, but I did recognize a couple that were students of Milton Friedman and John Hospers.

--p!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:05 AM
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105. Ummm sorry, but you are wrong
"Mr. Friedmans legacy might mean laissez-faire politics to the outside world, but to economists and especially Chicago economists it is more about trying to understand how the world works and engaging in a debate about it." -Austan Goolsbee, Senior Economic Advisor to Sen. Obama http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/17/business/17milton.html?ex=1321419600&en=a0db578046e72e19&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss


... "Globalization" means free trade and various deregulations that supposedly put downward pressure on American wages because of imports from low-wage countries. Goolsbee, however, says globalization is responsible for "a small fraction" of today's income disparities. He says "60 to 70 percent of the economy faces virtually no international competition." America's 18.5 million government employees have little to fear from free trade; neither do auto mechanics, dentists and many others.

Goolsbee's rough estimate is that technology -- meaning all that the phrase "information economy" denotes -- accounts for more than 80 percent of the increase in earnings disparities, whereas trade accounts for much less than 20 percent... Economics is the only academic discipline that in recent decades has moved in the direction that America and much of the world has moved, to the right. Goolsbee no doubt has lots of dubious ideas -- he is, after all, a Democrat -- about how government can creatively fiddle with the market's allocation of wealth and opportunity. But he seems to be the sort of person -- amiable, empirical and reasonable -- you would want at the elbow of a Democratic president, if such there must be... http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/10/obamas_curious_economic_advise.html

Also see:

http://advant.blogspot.com/2008/01/obamas-economic-advisers.html
http://www.money-rx.com/blog/2008/02/obama-administration-fiscal-policy.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/business/18leonhardt.html
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:23 AM
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69. No thanks
Man it's going to be awesome when Clinton wins the nomination!!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:26 AM
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72. BAHAHAHHHAHHA!!!!!
you sure are confident for someone who's behind and who's candidate's window is closing.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:29 AM
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75. you know for weeks I've heard you guys say that
and yet Obama can't seal the deal. Clinton's going to win this thing.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:34 AM
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80. 11 in a row and then 2 week break. what do you expect?
he couldn't seal the deal because there have been no primaries. However, he's winning more donors and winning the fundraising race....and will win tomorrow.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:36 AM
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83. I totally agree
Clinton rocks and is going to win the presidency!! I'm glad we were able to agree on this point.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:41 AM
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86. exactly. we are of one mind. Obama is our 44th President
and thank you for your reasonableness. Not all Hillary supporters are as magnanimous as you. Thank you for voting for Barack Obama, adder.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:44 AM
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87. No problem
I mean why argue when it's clear starting tomorrow Clinton's going to become president. Good for you too!! For weeks you said Clinton was going to win the presidency...and you were right!!

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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:27 AM
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73. Sorry, the Dem base goes for Hillary --- or in other words
you and what Republicans.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:35 AM
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81. lots of Dem base defected to Obama last spring
so.....you will just have to deal with a new generation of newcomers. Clintons had their chance. Their White House moment was the 90's
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:28 AM
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74. And...Canada! Obama MUST defeat Canada now that they let his cat out of the bag on NAFTA!
Beat them all!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:38 AM
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84. way to propagate yet another Hillary lie.
lies, scare tactics, and old style backroom politics. that's all she has left now that the people are choosing Obama.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:31 AM
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78. DEFEAT HILLARY, DEFEAT HILLARY, HILLARY MUST BE DEFEATED!!
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:46 AM
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89. You are 100% right!! I'm 100% with you
CLINTON WINS, CLINTON WINS, CLINTON WINS THE PRIMARY, CLINTON WINS THE GE!!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:33 AM
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79. The most Hillary can do tomorrow is win Ohio by a slim margin which means we'll
have to continue seeing and hearing more until Chicago is finished!
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:09 AM
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95. I have to say after the 3 AM clips of the phone ringing
early in the morning when the kids are asleep, we should chose Hillary is about the funniest ad I have seen in awhile.
I mean really......after her recent episodes of running a bi-polar campaign...which Hillary would you actually get a 3 AM?

Really think about it...This could be spun in so many ways...out of respect I won't go there...but you all know what I mean :)
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:28 AM
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103. that's a good point. I like what Jon Stewart said...
I want someone who'll answer the phone before the 6th ring as well.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:56 AM
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96. Hillary and Obama on the issues are practically the same.
They're both have 90% or higher voting records on progressive issues, compared to McCain, whose own score is about a 10. There's just no comparison.


And I know Obama was against the Iraq war -- that was an easy position for him to take, too, since he was just a state Senator then, in a very liberal district.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:40 AM
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119. In all fairness, I have to disagree with your point. At that time, Bush's approval rating was in
the high 80's and it just wasn't very popular anywhere in this country to be going against this war.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:58 AM
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97. NYC don't want hillary anymore than America want's McCain.
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CaliforniaDreaming Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:44 AM
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99. If it's somehow Clinton vs. McCan't...
I am voting for Ralph Nader.

Enough is enough!
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:59 AM
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101. Yearrrrggh!
;)
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:16 AM
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107. I agree!!
America must ELECT HILLARY and then DEFEAT McCain!!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:27 AM
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108. thanks for keeping this bumped, adder
you are awesome in your tireless support of Obama as our next president.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:53 PM
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178. I know it's going to be awesome to have President Clinton!!
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:24 AM
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112. A quick look at Hillary's record dispenses with this bullshit.
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House :

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israel/index.cfm
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfur

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of children for special needs for decades. In her first job out of law school working for the Children's Defense Fund, she conducted research that led to Congress passing the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, the landmark bill mandating that all children with disabilities be educated in the public school system. later, she helped improve the education of children with special needs by working to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act. In 2005, she sponsored an amendment to increase funding for the act by $4 billion dollars. She also cosponsored the Personal Excellence for Children with Disabilities Act, a bill that promised to help schools recruit and retain new special education teachers, and better prepare general education teachers and staff to work with children with special needs.

Most recently, she has called for greatly expanded funding to the National Institute for Health to investigate treatments for children with disabilities. And she has put forth a comprehensive and detailed plan to help children and families affected by autism, with numerous elements that correspond very closely to what families in the autism community have been demanding for years.

some points on her legal career:

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.


Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971 Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (L)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (W)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

Clinton had co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07



When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''

1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:31 AM
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115. And she has lied and mischaracterized Obama
And she has lied and mischaracterized Obama from the start. I have never been more disappointed in the behavior of a Democratic candidate. She has zero chance in the general election due to the way she has alienated millions of otherwise loyal Democrats. I hope she loses in a landslide in Ohio and Texas, I am on my way to cast my vote for Obama..
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:28 AM
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113. There are so many reasons to defeate Hillary
She has behaved in a dishonorable and deceitful manner. Not the sort of trustworthy person you want in the White House.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:29 AM
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114. K & R
:thumbsup:
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:10 AM
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116. Go USA!
Get out and vote if today is your day!
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HarveyBrooks Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:24 PM
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167. Just proudly cast my vote in Ohio...
for Senator Clinton.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:12 AM
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117. Obama and Clinton are very similar to each other
and both are very different from McCain.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:37 AM
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140. thank you
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:02 AM
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121. Well, if Hillary goes bye-bye as you put it,
so will many of her supporters.

Let's see how well the Anointed One does without our support in November.

Hmmm, let me take another look at Nader..........


:shrug:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:41 AM
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127. Defeat Clinton in favor of a Dem with essentially the same voting record?
I don't think it's quite the imperative you're describing. This sort of fervor should be reserved for the actual issues, such as the money that has so totally corrupted American politics. That must be defeated.

Clinton and Obama are both corporatists, just significantly less so than is McCain.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:53 PM
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176. I will disagree...and hope you are proved wrong
because we need something different. At the very least we won't have the venom of Hillary and Bill and the venom of right wing demagogues and the press lapping it up.
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:45 AM
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128. The Clinton-Bush Corporate Cabal Must be Slowed.
I think the biggest threat is the perpetuation of the B-C Cabals that have funnelled the resources of the American workers and families into the pockets of a few corporations, globalists, telcos and (admittedly in hugely different degrees) perpetuated American militarism. Even though Obama is NO progressive and will likely be fairly easy to manipulate given his inexperience at the national level, at least the lines of supply that fed the Bushies and Clinton can continue uninterrupted. Hillary only needs to continue catering to the same deep pocket elites. With Obama, 'they' have to take time to recalculate, reconfigure and restrategize a bit. And I don't doubt for a momemt Hillary would be all too willing to use secrecy and expanded presidential powers just as avidly as her predecessors.

Speaking as a progressive, if we can't WIN, at least slow down the opposition. That means VOTE FOR OBAMA, NOW AND IN NOVEMBER.
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Kare Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:56 AM
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130. With every passing day

I seem to find more and more to dislike about Hillary Clinton.

I started out an Edwards supporter and then turned to Obama when he dropped out. I never cared for Hillary to begin with but the more she talks the less I like her.

She really seems to be playing things from a republican stand point a lot lately and that just makes me sick. I don't want to be scared into voting for some one, that's not the way these things are supposed to work.



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Maxdee55 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:12 AM
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132. Hillary Would Make A Fine President
While Hillary Clinton is not as likable or charismatic as Barack Obama, I do believe she would make a better President. Although I am a lifelong Democrat I believe there comes a point where one can be too liberal, and Obama fits that bill. My main peeve with Obama aside that he is more style than substance, is his insistence that cheap labor in other nations and provided here by illegals, does not take away American jobs. Yesterday Obama finally received some tough questions from the media and he didn't handle it very well, at times becoming angry and then finally leaving while reporters were still asking questions, I would like to see the reaction if that were Hillary. Obama supporters whine every time Clinton attacks him on the issues, what will they do when the Republicans get hold of him? However, one thing is certain and that is a Democrat must be elected in November, or we lose the Supreme Court for generations to come. I have watched Obama speak for 15 minutes at a time and say virtually nothing, I fear that this balloon of words will eventually blow up in the face of the Democrats, like a blast of hot air.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:18 AM
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133. America must defeat Hillary??? Because HILLARY IS EVIL????
HOW FUCKING DARE YOU??????

God forbid a woman run for the presidency. IT MAKES HER EVIL.

And we aren't allowed to discuss what it makes you.
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:47 AM
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141. Obama is not much different from Hillary.
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Red State Prisoner Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:02 PM
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143. This forum has lost it's goddamned mind
I don't post often, but this site has been a refuge of sorts for me ever since Bush took office. It was a place where likeminded individuals could vent their frustrations, share their hopes, and find comfort during these bleak times. Now it's a place where voicing an opinion is an open invitation to be flamed. When did DU become Free Republic? You want to know whatll destroy the Democratic Party once and for all? This kind of self centered, I know best, bullshit spewed throughout the site these days. If we really want change, it has to start with supporting whoever is on our side of the isle. After 8 years of conservative rule, I thought we would have all known better. It appears I was mistaken.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:45 PM
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151. Yep, this place is a fucking shit-hole
Another infantile O/P to put on ignore. The fact that they got 112 recs just shows the level of intelligence of this place lately.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:08 PM
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144. Proof!!!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

The rethugs WANT Hillary to stay in... The rethugs WANT her to be the nominee.
Hillary and The GOP are arm and arm into destroying our country.
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Pamela Troy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:10 PM
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146. Hillary. We hate her. Hate, hate, hate, HAAAAAAAATE! AAAAAAAUGH!
Oh God, we hate her so much.

Hateherhateherhateher....

Aaaaaaaaaagh! AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGNNNNNHHHH.... (Pitches forward on keyboard, frothing at the mouth, limbs flailing wildly...)
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:43 PM
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149. It really will not happen in that order
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kotsu Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:43 PM
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150. For a minute there
I thought I was on Republican Underground or something

...but sadly, no.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:49 PM
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152. just for a minute?
112 recommends so far!

Hope and Change and Unity!
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:49 PM
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153. I never thought clinton would sink this low.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:52 PM
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154. Defeat Obama
The biggest phoney. A republican in Dem clothing.
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crud76 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:14 PM
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156. Hey Kool Aid!
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cseper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:25 PM
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159. Our party could be 100% united
but, Obama wants what he wants and he wants it NOW.
In a saner time, the fresh-faced newcomer would work to help the leading Democrat win, but Obama feels like he's the most qualified person in the country to lead the planet.


...and they accuse Hillary of chutzpa?
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:47 PM
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163. that's a funny one.
in a saner time, an African American and a woman wouldn't be running. I'm glad we live in crazy times.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:34 PM
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162. Looks like we are at DefCon 1 with no post views or sig lines
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:54 PM
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164. so how long does a post stay on "Greatest" page?
2 full days? 3 full days? Just curious.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 06:31 PM
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182. One this truly outstanding will probably stay there forever.
It will probably have a special and sanctified place on the front page for the rest of DU's life.

It will probably be made into a book that will outsell both the Bible and John Grisham's latest novel.

You, sir, are a GOD.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:20 PM
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165. Sounds as though you have choked on a pretzel and lost all O2 to the brain
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:22 PM
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166. the only part I disagree with is ''centrist.'' they are in the center of the corporate pocket
not America.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:52 PM
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169. The only non-corporatist running was John Edwards.
Obama is my senator, and believe me, he likes a good corporation as much as the next politician. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the two Dems left running.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:00 PM
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170. I agree. She's the albatross around the neck of the Democratic party.
She's proven to be disloyal and willing to slash and burn her way to get what she perceives as her coronation. Why? Because she thinks she DESERVES that the nomination handed to her.

Throw her overboard before she sinks us all!
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Unicron Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:10 PM
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171. McCain and Hillary are SLIME.......FUCK'EM BOTH!
I live in Canada, so I really have no stake in the race, but these two are a perfect example of the festering pile of shit that Washington has become. Hillary has lost 11 in a row and because she really has nothing else to go on, she's been on the attack ever since, using the same Rovian tactic's that Amercan's ARE FUCKING SICK OF!

Hillary is a corporatist, pro-NAFTA and wants to FORCE people to buy health insurance rather then bring about a FREE HEALTHCARE system that I and many other Canadians thank holy christ for every day. Hillary Clinton is only interested in 3 things.....

1#Money

2#Power

3#Status

And that's all. She doesn't give a shit about the American public. It's all about HER and she won't let ANYTHING stand in her way. She has been clawing at this for years and thinks that she's entitled to it, well, FUCK HER! Obama is a self made man, came from nothing and is in the position to become the leader of the free world and doesn't that represent The American Dream(TM) in it's most purest form?
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:20 PM
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173. tell us how you REALLY feel..lol
well, I think the Clintons' time has passed. They've become infected. We need someone who's not so used to royal power of the elite in Washington. Obama is our guy.
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MidwestPerspective Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:18 PM
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172. Time for a Generation Jones President--Barack Obama
Yeah...time for the last great hope of the baby Boomers--Hillary Clinton--to step off the stage. As several prominent journalists have recently concluded: Barack Obama is a member of Generation Jones...the lost generation between the Boomers and GenXers. Time for Generation Jones to take over leadership in the US, as Jonesers have in quite a few Western countries in the last year or so.
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midora Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:28 PM
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174. Hillary Has No Ethics
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 04:28 PM by midora
All she cares about is getting elected;she will cheat, lie, and slander to achieve her ultimate goal. I agree with the poster who said she is very capable, but how can someone so blatantly unethical and scheming be a good president? If elected, she could be the 21st century's version of Richard Nixon. I also do not want to hear anymore about Bill Clinton's sex life, or the Clintons' questionable business deals, and you can bet if Hellcat wins, the Repubs will drag those tiresome old stories back into the light of day.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 06:52 PM
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185. Hillary eats puppies! - n/t
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:38 PM
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175. well, it's been fun. I can't believe this thread lasted this long
I actually just wrote it because I was so fighting mad and appalled that Hillary decided to go there with all the classic "hit piece" politics. If you're not winning on the issues or personality....dig up rumors and innuendo. Make up things. Create scandals. Just utter bullshit.

Well, clearly I touched a nerve because I literally have never gotten close to this many recommendations for a post. It's almost embarrassing because I don't think it's my best thoughts. Some that I put a lot of thought into sank like a stone. so there you go.

I just want Obama to eke out victory in Texas and be VERRRYYY close in Ohio. That, plus a dominant victory in Vermont should spell the end. Next 2 are heavily favoring Obama...and with that new spurt of momentum he should have very good chance in Pennsylvania.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:13 PM
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177. Gee, what other animals eat their own?

Are you a Democrat, or just an Obamocrat?
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:53 PM
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179. it's going to be awesome to have President Clinton!!
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 06:28 PM
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180. Flame Bait!! -- n/t
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 06:28 PM
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181. AMEN! Let tonight be the end of the Clinton Era of Democratic politics
and the dawn of a NEW era of young leadership for our party -- and the nation!
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 06:39 PM
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184. This divisive rhetoric isnt good for the Party but it wont completely destroy it. - n/t
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 06:51 PM by BrightKnight
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:28 PM
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187. exactly. this isn't about dissing Hillary as much as it is
about promoting a little bit more brightness and positive notes to our political and governing process. At the end of the day, we're trying to seek better government and better way of life from a new generation.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:05 PM
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189. I just feel like we've had one Clinton -- why another?
Why can't we have a non-baby boomer president? I'm around the same age as John Edwards, so I'm younger than Hillary but older than Barack but I'm sooooo sick and tired of rehashing the '60s culture wars, which is what the Repugs will continue to have an excuse to do as long as we have a boomer in the WH.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 06:32 PM
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183. YES WE CAN!!!
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LiberalMandrake Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:30 PM
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188. Obama's role is to sell "voting machines don't multiply Clinton's votes" message
Obama's role is to sell "voting machines don't multiply Clinton's votes" message.

It's as simple as this: The script has 5 pct Clinton beating 1 pct McCain
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=script++%225+pct+Clinton%22+%221+pct+McCain%22

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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:16 PM
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191. Yes, I too am tired of the scandals fabricated about Hillary.
And the fear mongering comparison of a senator with a solid liberal voting record with the likes of John McCain. Talk about low and dirty.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:14 AM
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193. now more than ever
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:16 AM
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194. Olbermann: Interview with Margaret Carlson, re: Clinton embracing McLame
This witch is setting us up for 4 years of Preznit McLame by wrapping her arms around McCain. If you can watch Olbermann tonight, it will totally disgust you.

DEFEAT.HER.NOW

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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:24 AM
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195. watching it now - had to look up this thread to make it seen!
now more than ever - we have to stop her.

She is destroying the post convention chances.

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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:51 AM
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198. ..
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