Before Team Hillary has a collective orgasm over the ARG polls, lets remember a few things..

[Joe the Revelator]

1. ARG sucks

2. Losing a 20 point lead, and then polling within the MOE is not a "surge"

and most importantly

3. a one, five or ten point win in BOTH Ohio and/or Texas doesn't help her at ALL. Do the math, she has to have a winning percentage in the sixties to even have a chance at pulling off the nomination. She's not going to do it.

[Horse with no Name]

1. Point #4

Polls ONLY count when Obama is winning them.

[Zachstar]

5. Wrong

#4 is Polls suck in 2008

-------

I look very forward to this madness ending after this primary.

[liberalnurse]

11. Apparently so on DU.

I can tell you this, Ohio is sick of the Obama TV Ads......They don't let anyone come up for oxygen. Too much in your face Obama is is the only way.....

[my3boyz]

15. Oh you speak for the entire state. Yeah, I really believe that!

[Horse with no Name]

21. self delete

[AngryOldDem]

54. Media sells airtime to any candidate....

And believe me the lack of HRC ads in Ohio has been noticed. Most think it's because she just doesn't have the cash to spare.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. Wrong, not even Obama supporters are dumb enough to pimp ARG polls

They have proven that they are completely unreliable.

[Horse with no Name]

22. obama supporters pimp ANYTHING that works n/t

[The Ghost]

30. like 11 straight wins?

n/t

[Horse with no Name]

34. But all of the sudden starting to lose in the polls

Boy that is a hard lie to propagate isn't it?

[The Ghost]

36. Only polls that matter are those on election day

as BOTH campaigns have come to see since January. both campaigns need to RELAX with these polls, all of them.

[Cha]

37. Well well, look who's calling us "pimps"..

one of the shillarys. Pushin' a warmongering, dirty politicin', liar on us doesn't help your street cred.

[Horse with no Name]

41. Was just repeating the same terminology that was used

and for your information...through your hatred of Hillary...you would KNOW that "I" didn't excoriate Shuster over it because I understood what he meant.
So what now?
Your slam didn't hit its mark (it often doesn't) :rofl:
Yaknowwhat?
Pushing a shadily funded politician doesn't help YOUR street cred either (that would BE assuming you had ANY credibility to start with).

[Cha]

55. A horse with a hernia

isn't very pretty.

[high density]

32. The "polls" that count are those on Tuesday

Anything else is just noise.

[Tom Joad]

42. we'll see Tuesday night. *that's* the poll that counts

yeah, sorry didn't see your post before...
What high density said.

[ProSense]

2. Chart including ARG

[Bread and Circus]

25. From the lookest of that chart, it's obvious that anyone who says Hillary is surging is just foolish

[adoraz]

3. heres the problem though

If Hillary wins Texas and Ohio, that gives her an excuse to keep on going. I want this thing to END. I want people pressuring her out.

[skipos]

17. I agree. Hillary Inc keeps on moving the goalposts and I wouldn't be suprised

If she says "meet me in Puerto Rico" soon. I thought the defense of her massive 11 losses was that she would thump him in Texas. Now it looks like if she wins by 1 vote it she will claim it is some massive comeback victory that should keep her in the game. I have no doubt that she would gladly Huckabee her way to the convention even if it hurt Dems in the general election, and we need her to drop out if she doesn't have massive wins in Texas and Ohio.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Orgasum?

googoo

[stop the bleeding]

6. I made the same Casual Observation myself

:D

[Sparkly]

7. Or + ga

= orgasum? :shrug:

[MoonRiver]

8. And then came Rezko.....

3/3/08...:D

[AZBlue]

13. Oh stop. Let it go.

It's the most tired, old thing on this board.

[RamboLiberal]

14. Hillary can be busy explaining this

Sen. Clinton accepts donations from troubled firm
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 3:50 PM PT
Filed Under: Politics

Sen. Hillary Clinton has declined to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at a company accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record, federal campaign records show.

The federal government has accused the Illinois management consulting firm, International Profit Associates, or IPA, of a brazen pattern of sexual harassment including "sexual assaults,” “degrading anti-female language" and "obscene suggestions."

In a 2001 lawsuit full of lurid details, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission claims that 103 women employees at IPA were victimized for years. The civil case is ongoing, and IPA vigorously denies the allegations.

"This is by far, hands down, the worst case I've ever experienced," said Diane Smason, one of the EEOC lawyers handling the lawsuit. "Every woman there experienced sex harassment, they were part of a hostile work environment of sex harassment. And this occurred from the top down."

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/29/718285.aspx

[Mojambo]

9. Narrow wins do help her stay in the race, but not to win it.

It allows the corporate press to spin this race going all the way to the convention and weakens Democratic chances against McCain.

[JorgeTheGood]

23. one of them will be out by the convention

and I suspect it will be Obama -- REZKO.

[Sensitivity]

10. Honesty, please. NEGATIVE SMEARS ALWAYS WORK to some degree

Hillary just started the slime a little late.

[tekisui]

53. Let's see what shit they spew on Monday.

[meow mix]

12. dont forget the extremely huge turnouts nt

[rug]

16. Shit on Clinton all you want but have some care with the word orgasm.

Thank you.

[JorgeTheGood]

19. How do you reconcile the claim that

the arg poll is crap yet the +20 poll from the past is not crap?

[Kittycat]

20. Where the hell is SUSA?

I mean come on!!!

with that said, here are a few points to uplift obama supporters...
1. Obama has ground game!
2. Early voting has been huge, and during a big slot of that - polls have been favoring Obama.
3. Obama has 2min ads running on Monday in TX & OH - I'm really think they're going to be huge. Just a gut feeling.
4. Caucus... Obama supporters are DEDICATED! This is not something you can say to the same extent for Hillary supporters. Some get tired and cranky, and don't want to stay up past their bedtime to caucus. Granted, some have families, some work, etc - but the same can be said about Obama supporters in that classification.

GOBAMA!

[Double T]

24. This should be the END of the road for BO.

Hope can only carry YOU so far; eventually ACTION must take over.

[Joe the Revelator]

26. This is a stupid meme. I mean, just fucking stupid

He's made up 20 points in both of these states, while Hillary has tanked. Why should this be the "end"? Why shouldn't the 11 losses Hillary's suffered before this not mean that the end of her road should have came after wisconsin?

[Double T]

31. Manipulated caucuses, rethug crossover voters, empty promises and the MSM obama television networks

will ONLY carry a fraudulent candidate so far; NOTHING is REAL.

[stillcool]

40. wow...I didn't know...

that all these people were Republicans....

[Double T]

45. rethugs won't waste their time listening to HIS repetitious drivel.........

the rethugs will stand him up by voting for HIM in the primaries, so THEY can crush HIM in the GE.

[stillcool]

49. yeah, right....

the big, bad, republicans are coming...I'm so scared!!

[Double T]

50. THEY have got YOU right where THEY want YOU..........

overconfident as hell. Perfect.

[DJ13]

27. "Before Team Hillary has a collective orgasm..."

Thats sexist!


Just thought I would beat the Hillary supporters to the punch line.......


:rofl:

[NMMNG]

28. Pfft

If you think I'm having an orgasm over some polls you obviously don't know me. :eyes:

[texas_indy]

29. Both sides talking smack and showin' the colors!! In 3 days we'll know the truth of the polls!

One side is going to be real happy and the other is going to be pretty pissed and gunnin' for redemption.

Obama has history on his side after winning the last 11 contests.
Obama also has history on his side in relationship to the polls and actual results.

Obama is getting Texas, guys. Polls are not catching the vast number of indies and new voters Obama has brought into the equation.

3 days from now you'll see.

VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

[Nine]

38. yes, and then what?

"In 3 days we'll know the truth of the polls! One side is going to be real happy and the other is going to be pretty pissed and gunnin' for redemption."

Some hard feelings are inevitable following the primaries but shouldn't we be aiming for as much reconciliation as possible? The way some people act around here, you sure aren't making it easy. Yes, one side is going to be happy. But that side is going to need the votes, the legwork, the donations, and the enthusiasm of those whose candidate did not win. I'm all for debating the pros and even cons of the two candidates, and it's appropriate to look at the polls in remaining states. But what's the point of trash talk? This isn't a sporting event, it's a very serious matter. We need to maintain some semblance of a unified party if we want to have any chance at all in the general election.

[texas_indy]

44. Reconciliation requires effort from both sides. Take a gander through the postings today and see

what is being posted against both candidates from both sides. Each are as guilty as the other. While it is true that the majority of supporters from both side have not participated in the attacking, it is still true that those who are not attacking are not feeling at all happy about the attacks upon their chosen candidate.

Reconciliation will be done by the vast majority of the DU membership. The extreme supporters of both sides will never reconcile and will stay bitter that their side lost. That is life. However, they will not be able to spew their hatred on this board once the nominee is decided upon, and we can concentrate upon bringing sanity and true security back to the US and it's citizens.

I don't care for Hillary at all and I will have to hold my nose if I have to vote for her. BUT, I will vote for her since she is still light years ahead of the other side.

However, I sincerly hope and pray that I will not have to go through that effort. I believe that Obama is the only candidate we have who can win this election and have the mandate needed to enact the change required.



Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

[Nine]

47. I was addressing both sides...

...since we do not know yet who will win.

[Kurovski]

33. Are you Ken Starr, or what?

Just let the Clintons give orgasms to whomever they want already.

[OHdem10]

35. Any win in Ohio and Texas gives her MOMENTUM

[Joe the Revelator]

48. "MOMENTUM" can't beat math nt

[stillcool]

39. I'm so confused....

http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=17&num=16150

HILL TROUNCING RIVALS IN N.H. & OHIO
By IAN BISHOP
January 31, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton has blown past her primary rivals in the 2008 kickoff state of New Hampshire, and bests the field of White House hopefuls in the swing state of Ohio, new polls show.

Clinton's poll bounce comes on the heels of her announcement that she's running, and her much-publicized first campaign foray into Iowa this past weekend.

She had enjoyed a high-tech campaign rollout, featuring a video announcement of her candidacy and three nights of Web chats with supporters.

"We had a great first week and we hope it is a sign of things to come," campaign spokesman Phil Singer told The Post yesterday.

Clinton has jumped out to a 15-point lead in New Hampshire over her leading rival, Barack Obama, 40 percent to 25 percent, the new Survey USA poll shows. Former Sen. John Edwards stands at 23 percent.

Clinton leaving Obama in the dust in latest state poll
Friday, August 17, 2007

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/08/17/MNG7RJV1E1.DTL&type=politics
New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, bolstered by an aggressive campaign organization in California, has amassed a whopping 30-point lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama - and enjoys more support among likely voters in the state Democratic primary than all of her Democratic presidential rivals combined, a Field Poll released today shows.

Hillary Clinton: Is the Democratic Nomination All Hers?
She doesn’t have the nomination prize wrapped up just yet, but the paper and ribbon are handy.

By Richard Sammon, Senior Associate Editor, The Kiplinger Letter
October 22, 2007
http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Hillary_Clinton_Is_Democratic_Nomination_Hers_071022.html

Hillary Clinton’s lead over her Democratic rivals is starting to look formidable. The N.Y. senator is overshadowing the other presidential hopefuls, pulling way ahead in the polls, in fundraising and in organization.

The media are starting to refer to her as the presumptive nominee, a characterization that must make the other candidates feel frustrated.

CLINTON HAS 33-POINT LEAD
By GEOFF EARLE
October 4, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton has jumped to an astounding 33-point lead over Barack Obama, topping her main rival among every major slice of the electorate and widening a dominating advantage she has held all summer.

Clinton got support from a full majority for the first time in any national survey about the Democratic presidential field. She is backed by 53 percent in the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll.

Obama follows far behind, with 20 percent, and John Edwards has 13 percent.

"I think it's pretty well done, don't you? All over but the voting," said Rep. Tom Petri (D-Wis.), when asked about the poll
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10042007/news/nationalnews/clinton_has_33_point_lead.htm

May 8th, 2007 at 13:15:24

Poll: Clinton pulls ahead of Obama
http://rawstory.com/comments/31343.html
Agence France-Presse

Hillary Clinton has taken a 15 percentage-point lead over fellow US Senator Barack Obama in the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, according to poll results published Tuesday...

October 3, 2007, 1:45 pm

By Dalia Sussman

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton far outpaces her main Democratic rivals to handle a range of issues, and she is considered the strongest leader and the most electable – forces that have helped her widen her lead in the race for the Democratic nomination, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Mrs. Clinton has anywhere from a 30-point lead to a 51-point lead over Senator Barack Obama to handle health care, the economy, the war in Iraq and the campaign against terrorism, the poll found.

Poll: Hillary Ahead In South Carolina
By Eric Kleefeld - August 22, 2007, 10:35AM
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/08/poll_hillary_ahead_in_south_carolina.php
New polling from Rasmussen has Hillary Clinton beating Barack Obama in the South Carolina primary, with 38% for Hillary against 30% for Obama, with John Edwards at a distant third with 13%. Hillary and Obama are even among black voters, a demographic in which Obama needs a strong majority in order to win. Among whites, Hillary leads with Edwards in second, and Obama far behind.

Iowa Poll Shows Clinton Ahead By 29 Percent
http://wap.nbc5.com/detail.jsp?key=251931&rc=ln_ne
10/08/2007 -- There's a new poll out in the all important state of Iowa that shows presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton ahead by 29 percent, with John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama not far behind.

[The River]

43. Amazingly Accurate

NOT!

[stillcool]

46. so...what does that mean?

who's 'surging'? And who's going to sue?

[emilyg]

51. Who's gonna have an orgasm?

[The River]

52. It Means All Those Polls

you posted were soooooo accurate....not.
I was agreeing w/you