Question for Hillary supporters (in all seriousness)

[subsuelo]

I have a relative who was once very liberal; I don't know quite what happened to her, BUT.

She stated recently that she might consider McCain, if Obama gets the Democratic nomination. I was like WHATTTTTT?????

But she was serious!

So my question to Hillary supporters - are you really considering voting for McCain if (when) Obama wins the nomination?

I'm first and foremost a Kucinich supporter. But now that he's out, I'm going with Obama (mostly because at least he spoke out against the war, while she voted for it). And getting back to the point - if I had to choose Hillary vs McCain, there is NO QUESTION I would vote Hillary, and there would be no question any time any day of the week.

So is my relative just an odd exception? Or are there more of you supporters out there that feel that way?

[FrenchieCat]

1. Did you ask your relative WHY she won't vote for Obama, but vote

for warmongering John McCain?

[Skittles]

2. is your relative racist?

that is ONE possible explanation

[Name removed]

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[MonkeyFunk]

10. No, not everybody who opposes Obama is a racist

but every racist opposes Obama. It wasn't an unreasonable question.

[Skittles]

20. READING COMPREHENSION

IT'S A GOOD THING, EH MONKEYFUNK? :thumbsup:

[Skittles]

16. I said that is ONE POSSIBLE REASON

GET SOME READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS

I MYSELF DO NOT SUPPORT OBAMA AND I CERTAINLY AM NOT RACIST

[Trajan]

25. There will be no room for those who do not support Democrats in the coming elections ....

This will not be a kind place for Anti-Democratic rhetoric ...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. No, but people who support McCain are.

Sorry.

[subsuelo]

6. No.

[emilyg]

35. Dumdumbdumb.

[Skittles]

38. ????

How so? It is ONE POSSIBLE EXPLANATION: HOW is that dumb????

[emilyg]

54. Maybe you're right.

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Is this a Russert question?

You provide a quote from somebody else, and ask us to respond to it?

[subsuelo]

5. The question is pretty clear

Would you consider McCain over Obama?

[MonkeyFunk]

8. Sorry, Mr. Russert

I'm not playing your game. Ask your relative what she meant - it's not fair to take what somebody else says and apply it to other people.

[subsuelo]

17. Was it really that difficult a question?

[MonkeyFunk]

24. You can search my posts

to see my view on this subject.

I'm objecting to the notion that because you hear one person say something, that you think it might apply to everybody else. That's dumb.

[subsuelo]

29. Ok, that's a yes then

(difficult question to answer)

[MonkeyFunk]

32. Well that's an idiotic conclusion to come to

but I'm not surprised.

[subsuelo]

60. Nothing idiotic about it. You have 4 posts and no answer

Therefore one can reasonably conclude it is a difficult question to answer

[LostinVA]

78. What a jerk response

Jesus, this place is getting sickening.

[subsuelo]

85. It must be very sickening to see people ask questions.

Especially on a discussion forum!

How upsetting.

[LostinVA]

86. It's flamebait and disruptive -- not real questions

[subsuelo]

87. sorry you don't like it, but it is, in fact, a real question

Here it is again...

To Hillary supporters: Would you consider voting for McCain in the event that Obama wins the Democratic nomination?

[LostinVA]

89. FLAMEBAIT

[yardwork]

82. *snort* It's clear to see what little game you're playing here.

Let's see - "I have a relative who says.....golly gee whiz does that mean that everybody who supports Hillary.....golly gee whiz if you don't explicitly deny it must mean that you agree too!"

Freeper logic. When did you stop beating your wife.

[subsuelo]

84. I never said that

golly gee whiz, questions really do differ from statements!

Learn something every day.

[mkultra]

42. i think his point is the exact opposite

hes gather as many opinions on the topic as he can.

[LostinVA]

77. Exactly -- it's very, very offensive to me

[rodeodance]

9. I think it is none of your business. i like the idea of private voting booths

[subsuelo]

13. oh ok.

let's all keep our voting choices private here in the General Discussion: Primaries forum.

Great idea.

[ORDem]

79. Uh huh. Like we're gonna track you down via your DU ID and then

send over Guido or something. Sheeesh.

:dem:

[BenDavid]

7. Clinton supporters might not go to Obama

As a Clinton supporter I'm having a hard time warming up to Obama. Many of us really like Hillary and Bill Clinton and we want to go back to the days of peace and prosperity and real solutions to real problems. People are saying that if Obama is the nominee that the Clinton supporters will most likely
vote for Obama, while saying that Obama supporters might not support Clinton.So when Obama surrogate call Bill Clinton a racist, we resent it. When Obama says that Hillary is in the pocket of the lobbyists, we resent it. When we hear Obama surrogates talking about the Clintons the way the Republicans talk about the Clintons, we really resent it.Many of us are very deeply offended and I'm trying to like Obama and it's just not happening. I would warn Obama supporters that being anti-Clinton might result in a Republican president.

[Trajan]

18. He is almost identical in every respect ....

I have a feeling you are not telling us everything ....

I have a feeling it is ONE subject area, where Obama and Clinton are different, in such a way that it means EVERYTHING to you, where it means less to most of us ....

I have a feeling you will never ever say exactly what that is ....

I have a feeling I would not venture a guess here ...

It's up to you to be more honest ....

I support both, because they both deserve our support ....

[BenDavid]

34. Prior to South Carolina maybe I could have liked Obama, but

after I saw what went on starting January 8th through the South Carolina vote and how Obama sat back and watched as a man and woman that has always been supportive of black america were demonized by his own surrogates and those mediawhores that called Bill Clinton a racist and Hillary as well and both were called bigots.

How can a man that says he has no hole in his soul but finds the holes in every one eles's soul just stand there and not utter a word in support of either Clinton? That told me all I needed to know about the character of one Barack Hussein Obama......

That is my reason......

[AX10]

43. Obama acts as he is better than everyone else.

I for one, am greatly disturbed by that.

[Trajan]

49. Obama acts like he is an intelligent man ...

Who knows how to think and speak grandly ....

Maybe you just dont get it, and feel compromised and weak in comparison ....

[Trajan]

50. Double post

[woolldog]

59. in other words, he's uppity?

[LostinVA]

80. Just STFU with your nasty, obvious, and CONSTANT shit stirring

[mkultra]

46. I think you may be asking alot from him

if you wanted him to jump to thier defense. They made some slightly misinterpretable statements about race in a highly racially charged area of the nation. I know the Clintons are not racists, but, in the end, they let the media smash them on it.

[cali]

58. no. I saw your posts about Obama before SC. You can't get away

with this shit. They were vile. You've had threads about Obama locked because they bordered on out and out bigotry.

[Political Heretic]

65. It's not about "LIKING" him. It's about what's best for the country jesus fucking christ

:rant:

My respect for Hillary Clinton has gone out the window. I've been so disgusted by her asinine tactics and the depths to which she is willing to sink all out of ego. I try to remain civil, but that's how I feel inside. And yet, if she was to stage a comeback and win the nomination, I would vote for her.

Why?

Because three thousand nine hundred and seventy two american boys and girls are dead and withholding my vote for candidates committed to stopping the murder (that's what it is when the war is illegitimate) is to be complicit in the murders of many more. My best friend is there. My friends son is there. Real children of real parents.

You want to refuse to vote for either democratic candidate because your pissed off your guy lost and acting like a petulant little child? Fine, put your child on the front fucking lines then. Or go yourself. Otherwise, pull your head out of your ass and start thinking about the COUNTRY instead of eating sour grapes.

For fuck sake.

:rant:

[gerrilea]

21. How eloquently said, my thoughts too!

:hi:

[TheDonkey]

23. Get over it

Sorry to be harsh. But frown or vote for McCain when Bill and Hillary are stumping for Obama.

[BenDavid]

30. Do you honestly think those racists Clintons as some of you

obama folks have called them will be out there campaigning for Obama?

[AX10]

26. I'm with you.

[mkultra]

44. well, you might be suprised to hear

that every time hrc calls obama supporters delusional, that we feel insulted. As for a republican president, there is only one candidate currently running that consistently polls below McCain and it isn't Obama.

So your welcome to your opinion on Obama. As with all wars this has devolved into a "who fired first' scenario. The only way out its to not participate.

[Enrique]

11. no

Obama and Hillary are very similar to me, both much better than McCain.

[ExtraGriz]

12. maybe its because the media have been treating

her like shit, very belittling...and myself as a male, i found the sexist innuendos in this whole race went way overboard. it was uneeded and shameful.

[zabet]

14. In all seriousness...

it ain't none of your business.
:eyes:

Loyalty oaths - how many of these
stupid threads are we going to have?

[Trajan]

37. I dont think this is a loyalty oath matter ...

But DU will be an exclusive forum when the nominee is determined: Exclusive for supporters of the Democratic nominee ..... Like it always is ....

How you vote is your business ...... Who you denigrate, and/or who you declare for or support in DU will be our business .....

There are plenty of places on the web where one can go and support John McCain, AND insult Clinton or Obama supporters after the nominee is selected: It will not be here ....

This is David's, EarlG's and Brian's forum .... THEIR rules ....

[zabet]

45. I will support a Dem. That is good enough for DU.

I just am not vowing to support one or
the other and not write in my choice if
I choose to do so.

[Trajan]

48. Good ....

Your freedom is complete ..... Your vote is absolutely your private choice, and so should it be ...

But I also understand the reason why DU has rules against supporting ANTI-Democratic party candidates here in DU .... Otherwise, what would be the point of having a forum for Democrats ?

You have my respect (as if that means something) ....

[Dogmudgeon]

15. No way. I am a Democrat.

I will have no difficulty whatsoever casting a vote for Barack Obama if he wins.

I'd prefer to be voting for Hillary Clinton, but Obama isn't exactly the booby prize.

It's not even a hypothetical in my book. I vote Democratic. I will not even consider voting for a Republican.

Y'know, as a grown-up Army brat, I admire McCain. But that's all. I completely disagree with his fundamental political beliefs. Mike Huckabee also seems like a swell fellow, but again, he wants to write laws that I find abhorrent.

This isn't a matter of emotional attachment with me. No compromises -- Vote Democratic.

--p!

[Booster]

27. If Obama is the nominee I will vote for him, but I will be holding my

nose. There's just something about him. But I will in no way vote for McCain because I think he's nuts.

[StevieM]

19. I don't know who I'm going to vote for. I don't like Obama. (eom)

x

[AX10]

22. Same here.

[gerrilea]

28. I really don't think that Americans won't vote for a Black Man in the GE

There I said it, it will boil down to race and the democrats lose again.

Here in Buffalo you wouldn't really want to know what all the customers are saying (at my store, that is)...it's shameful and disgusting and We're supposed to be a liberal State...or so I thought!

[AX10]

41. So far, it seems that sexism trumps racism.

[IdClaire]

74. Agree totally with this

She wouldn't have even been considered a serious contender if she had only a couple years service in the senate.

[mkultra]

47. i think you actually said that they would vote for a black man

[BlackVelvet04]

31. My father who is a republican

was considering voting for Obama but has decided there isn't enough substance and he will now vote for McCain.

Personally I'll write in Hillary's name.

[AX10]

40. I'll write-in Hillary's name too.

[jbm]

33. Obama reminds me of the sneaky little sister...

who throws the forbidden ball in the house, breaks the lamp and with a straight face convinces everyone you did it. And on top of everything else, you also get in trouble for accusing her of doing such a thing. (In case you're wondering, that's a totally made up analogy)

I do not trust him at all, and the thought of voting for him makes me cringe. I'm not prepared to absolutely say I won't. A lot can happen between now and November, but as of now I can't imagine coloring in the oval by his name.

I know the question was "Will I vote for McCain". I'm honestly not sure. I've heard some good liberals make the argument that the best chance of actually passing through people friendly legislation would be a strong Democratic house and senate, and a moderate Republican president who would then have bipartisan support. That sounds like McCain to me.

[AX10]

39. kick

Obama is worse than the sneaky little sibling because so much more is at stake.

[rodeodance]

52. He does come across that way. he is too slick, just to slick.

[paulk]

36. I don't feel that way -

but I personally know two people - Democrats - who have indicated that they will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

These people aren't especially interested in policy - mostly they're expressing this opinion because they're concerned with Obama's relative lack of experience. Also, they are both older - mid forties and up, and are feeling kind of offended by the youthfulness of the Obama campaign. There seems to be a real age divide happening. They also, being older perhaps, don't see "change" as necessarily a good thing.

Obama's job, if he is the nominee, will be to convince these folks that he can do the job, or to convince them the McCain is batshit crazy and his "esperience" doesn't mean much in light of that.

[rodeodance]

53. I know some Dems also as you describe.--they will mark in McCain. there is no doubt in their minds.

[subsuelo]

71. Dems who require convincing that mcCain is "batshit crazy"

are the bane of the party IMO

[paulk]

83. that's all you have to say?

[napi21]

51. ABSOLUTELY NOT! I suggest you ask your relative if they REALLY

want MORE Scalia's, Alito's, and Roberts on the SCOTUS. Someone may have trouble giving up support for THEIR candidate and support another, for almost any reason. I was a very strong Biden supporter, and it was a VERY difficult decision for me to chose someone else. When it was obvious there were only two, I had to decide which one would get my vote. I happen to think either of our remaining Dems would make a good President, and on the morning of Primary Day here in Ga. I still hadn't decided! It's not important what my decision was, but the one thing I did know was that it would for sure be one of the Dems! McCain wants to keep Shrub's tax cuts. He's determined to keep troops in Iraq. He's committed to nominating judges like Alito & Scalia.

[OmahaBlueDog]

55. No, and Hell No..

The war vote doesn't bother me the way it bothers everyone else. I feel that Hillary, like John Kerry and a lot of other good Senators, was lied to and tricked. I see her as a victim, not an enabler.

.. and I don't feel McCain has many of the idiotic qualities of the Bushies. Although I dread a McCain presidency for what it would do to the SCOTUS and for it's dogged determination to continue the idiotic war, I think he would reach across party lines where he could find common ground.

.. and I don't think Obama will end the war any faster than Hillary. He talks a good game, but I don't think he has any magic international diplomacy skills that Hillary lacks, and that is what it will take to end the US presence.

Having said all of that, there's no way in Hell I vote for any Republican in this election. Ted Kennedy (whom I cordially detest) could run against Olympia Snowe (who is OK, some days), and I'd vote Democratic. The current GOP reign needs to end.

[AX10]

57. Interesting post.

:kick:

[Qanisqineq]

56. The GE is a long ways away

Right now many Hillary supporters feel angry at the treatment she is getting. Many Hillary supporters here on DU probably feel like we aren't wanted in the Democratic party. At least I do. When I read posts saying Hillary should just get out of the party, then I feel like these people must think I should, too. Hillary supporters feel attacked and if you are going to denigrate me then you must not care about my vote come November.

I'm sure there are Edwards supporters that feel angry at the way he was ignored by the media. They may not want to vote for Obama in November. I was an Edwards supporter before I became a Hillary supporter. I didn't immediately choose Hillary after Edwards bowed out. I was hurt and it took a while.

After the primary season is over, give it a few weeks and hopefully the trashing of other candidates and their supporters will stop. If Obama is the nominee, a lot of these people will warm up to him and come to support him; or maybe they'll just want to "hold their nose" and vote for the democrat in November. Others won't ever want to vote for him. How will I feel by then? I don't know. November is a long ways away.

Right now is really not the time to ask that question. Right now things are tense and people have put their heart and soul and wallet behind their particular candidate. When that person is attacked or if that person loses, it hurts. Ask again this summer, the answer may be different.

edit: spelling error

[IdClaire]

75. my sentiments exactly

couldn't have said it better

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

61. I have a friend who said exactly the same thing.

And I got accused of being all kinds of nefarious disingenuous shit when I brought it up, even though I'm an Obama supporter. Yes, these people do exist. I doubt there are a huge number of them, though.

[BootinUp]

62. I get so fucking tired of people saying she voted for war.

The Resolution was a threat to get UN inspectors unfettered access. There is only one person who decided to invade and that was done months after the Resolution and after UN inpsectors started to reveal the facts.

We need Obamas two faced political bullshit like a hole in the head.

[riverdale]

63. The resolution was named Iraq WAR Resolution

There's a hint

[BootinUp]

64. wow.

another brilliant political analysis. Spare me your further contributions.

[Political Heretic]

67. Technically no it wasn't, but it makes your point just the same:

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution 2002 was its official name.

[Political Heretic]

66. What was the name of the resolution again.... I keep forgeting. What was it?

Oh yeah.... I remember.... Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution 2002

In it, it gave the president the green light, with no further oversight from congress required, to wage war in Iraq whenever he wished, with unprecedented executive power.

Plenty of congresspersons somehow managed to have enough information to understand the need to vote against it, even though at that time war was wildly popular and the president was wildly popular. They voted NO as a matter of conscience. Even a layperson had enough information in the leadup to war to know that the case was false. Among those things was David Kay, British intelligence, statements from both Condi and Dick Cheney not months before the build-up saying there was absolutely no threat, and more.

Hillary voted YES because she didn't want to be on the unpopular side of the vote and hurt her election chances. Period. She gambled wrong, and ended up on the unpopular side of the vote anyway.

She could have stuck with her conscience and been fairing better in her campaign.

[subsuelo]

68. The resolution was not named "Authorization to get UN inspectors Unfettered Access""

[calico1]

69. I don't like Obama but I would never vote for

McCain OR Nader.

I don't understand why there seem to be so many Obama supporters who make the deduction that if someone isn't voting for Obama they are voting for McCain. If a lot of people that don't like Obama have stated that then I have missed those posts.

There is the option of writing in a candidate, sitting it out, voting for other Democrats on the ballot but not President, or even changing one's mind and voting for him. I am weighing all those options right now. One that I am not considering is voting for McCain.

[Demagitator]

70. I am a liberal...

I have never voted for a Republican.

[Catherine Vincent]

73. You'll get the same answer from Obama supporters who would rather vote for McCain than Hillary. nt

[LostinVA]

76. I'll never vote for a Republican, and asking this question is offensive to me

[subsuelo]

88. please explain how so

I would appreciate it, thanks.

[yardwork]

81. I would never, ever vote for McCain over any Democrat.

I don't like some of the things that Obama has done in his campaign, but if he wins the nomination, which looks likely, I will vote for him in the general election.

I think that many of the folks who claim otherwise here are probably either trolls or just posting out of anger.