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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:19 PM
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If Daily KOS would do as much research on Clinton's accomplishments as they do
on Obama, maybe things would be a little different.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:20 PM
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1. Yeah, one of my fellow Hillary supporters is done there
Same with MoveOn.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:21 PM
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2. Why don't you do it for them?
What are her accomplishments? I'd like to know. Taking credit for her husband's administration doesn't count unless she's willing to take the blame, too, which she is not {cough-NAFTA-cough-cough}.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:21 PM
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3. What exactly are her accomplishments?
Riding into a comfortable Senate Seat after years of no previous executive experience.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:35 PM
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11. 9 million children have health insurance because of her
That's one. Sure beats naming a post office doesn't it?
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 10:34 PM
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19. roflmao
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:22 PM
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4. IWR, Kyl-Lieberman, Clusterbombing Civilians
What other great accomplishments should I know about?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:23 PM
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5. Why does everyone need to kiss Hillary's ass?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:41 PM
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14. Wolsh!
You're still here? :hi:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:52 PM
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15. Yeah I bought a house and didn't have internet for a week or so while some wiring was being worked
out.

This place went to shit in my absence. :)
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:23 PM
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6. Clinton's accomplishments are out there and known. You have to look harder to find BOs.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 09:25 PM by Freida5
Those present votes say a lot if you ask me. The ethic reforms he takes credit for I guess called for the creation of a web site. That's it. No hat No cattle.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:31 PM
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9. there you go again Freida. Words, no substance! Here ya go! (and you're welcome in advance)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html

Judge Him by His Laws

Who's Blogging» Links to this article
By Charles Peters
Friday, January 4, 2008; Page A21

People who complain that Barack Obama lacks experience must be unaware of his legislative achievements. One reason these accomplishments are unfamiliar is that the media have not devoted enough attention to Obama's bills and the effort required to pass them, ignoring impressive, hard evidence of his character and ability.

Since most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois, most of the evidence is found there -- and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously. (Another factor is reporters' fascination with the horse race at the expense of substance that they assume is boring, a fascination that despite being ridiculed for years continues to dominate political journalism.)

I am a rarity among Washington journalists in that I have served in a state legislature. I know from my time in the West Virginia legislature that the challenges faced by reform-minded state representatives are no less, if indeed not more, formidable than those encountered in Congress. For me, at least, trying to deal with those challenges involved as much drama as any election. And the "heart and soul" bill, the one for which a legislator gives everything he or she has to get passed, has long told me more than anything else about a person's character and ability.

Consider a bill into which Obama clearly put his heart and soul. The problem he wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused.

Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.

This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes. And the incoming governor, Rod Blagojevich, announced that he was against it.

Obama had his work cut out for him.

He responded with an all-out campaign of cajolery. It had not been easy for a Harvard man to become a regular guy to his colleagues. Obama had managed to do so by playing basketball and poker with them and, most of all, by listening to their concerns. Even Republicans came to respect him. One Republican state senator, Kirk Dillard, has said that "Barack had a way both intellectually and in demeanor that defused skeptics."

The police proved to be Obama's toughest opponent. Legislators tend to quail when cops say things like, "This means we won't be able to protect your children." The police tried to limit the videotaping to confessions, but Obama, knowing that the beatings were most likely to occur during questioning, fought -- successfully -- to keep interrogations included in the required videotaping.

By showing officers that he shared many of their concerns, even going so far as to help pass other legislation they wanted, he was able to quiet the fears of many.

Obama proved persuasive enough that the bill passed both houses of the legislature, the Senate by an incredible 35 to 0. Then he talked Blagojevich into signing the bill, making Illinois the first state to require such videotaping.

Obama didn't stop there. He played a major role in passing many other bills, including the state's first earned-income tax credit to help the working poor and the first ethics and campaign finance law in 25 years (a law a Post story said made Illinois "one of the best in the nation on campaign finance disclosure"). Obama's commitment to ethics continued in the U.S. Senate, where he co-authored the new lobbying reform law that, among its hard-to-sell provisions, requires lawmakers to disclose the names of lobbyists who "bundle" contributions for them.

Taken together, these accomplishments demonstrate that Obama has what Dillard, the Republican state senator, calls a "unique" ability "to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people." In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric.

I do not think that a candidate's legislative record is the only measure of presidential potential, simply that Obama's is revealing enough to merit far more attention than it has received. Indeed, the media have been equally delinquent in reporting the legislative achievements of Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, both of whom spent years in the U.S. Senate. The media should compare their legislative records to Obama's, devoting special attention to their heart-and-soul bills and how effective each was in actually making law.

Charles Peters, the founding editor of the Washington Monthly, is president of Understanding Government, a foundation devoted to better government through better reporting.




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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:23 PM
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7. That place went fully to the dark side of the Obamanation
It's actually a bit worse than this place.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:54 PM
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17. and TPM, don't forget there.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:26 PM
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8. Now you've done it, stirred the nest of BO cultists, you deserve the thrashing they will give you.
:rofl:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:33 PM
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10. What would be different?
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:36 PM
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12. Absolutely they should start with a timeline of those "35 Years"
of experience she keeps claiming.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:36 PM
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13. but...
I don't hear anyone attacking Clinton for her lack of accomplishements...maybe if that would stop, the media would stop researching his accomplishments.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:52 PM
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16. only obama worshippers are mostly welcomed there these days nt
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 10:19 PM
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18. You, should stay away from The Daily Kos
too many intelligent and thoughtful people hang around there......:evilfrown:
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