FU*K YOU RALPH NADER. The Blood of Thousands are on Your Hands.

[NoodleyAppendage]

Ralph Nader is willing to bring ruin upon the US because of his RAGING NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER.

Anyone who votes for Nader this time around is an IDIOT. Period.

J

[madaboutharry]

1. I think you are right

He does have a personality disorder.

Also, there are many people who have worked with him in the past who say he is a rather nasty person.

[hobbit709]

2. Agreed!

[still_one]

3. Agreed. nader has made himself irrelevent. I just hope the media doesn't

more attention than he deserves

[janetblond]

4. Lots of idiots will vote for him

some people are REAL stupid. Even after the Gore debacle.
Oh .. and btw ...
To all of you who voted for Nader when Al Gore ran for Prez ...
thanks for helping Gore LOSE ...
what a waste!

[Franks Wild Years]

10. The average Dubya voter is much more...

...intelligent and morally strong than the average Nader voter. At least they know what they want and will stand up for because they truly think it's the right way rather than defiantly support an irrelevant nutcase in order to spite the Democratic party for not being whacky enough. These people have views and ethics even more unworkable than those served up by the right-wing cronies who've made up the government for the best part of the last 30 years.

[UALRBSofL]

5. Noodley I agree with you but could you be

a little less obnoxious with your choice of words? :)

[mtnester]

7. In other threads maybe I would agree with you

but not this one...this is one thing we all can come together over.

Nader is now officially a disease.

[NoodleyAppendage]

11. No. I will not be kind to a man, because of his personality disorder, has destroyed Dem WH chances.

This is not about Nader's idealism or supposed concerns. This announcement is ALL ABOUT a person's ego and how he DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT deep down inside as long as he feels better about himself and is inflated false importance.

Without Nader, ultimately the Iraq Massacre would not be possible. The blood is on his hands...the law of unintended consequences rests at his NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER.

J

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. Please Edit Your OP And Change The Asterisk To A U.

If you're gonna do it, do it right. We're not children here. LOL

[onehandle]

8. Lots of folks are going to pop up and say that stolen votes and SCOTUS did the job in 2000.

Nader was just as key in Florida. He spent the last few weeks there encouraging his supporters.

Over 90,000+ voted for Nader in Florida. Less than one half of one percent of those votes could have saved us from the last eight years.

Fuck Nader, indeed.

[UALRBSofL]

16. onehandle you are right

I live in Florida and he did spend about 2 weeks here. He was in all the papers. He did local talk shows. He also got 100,000 votes in Florida. Had they gone to Gore, Bush would not have won florida and would not be in office. This is a true fact.

[onehandle]

19. Just a tiny sliver of those votes would have done it and statistical models have proven it.

Nader elected Bush.

[CJCRANE]

22. Yes, he's the spoiler candidate.

Even if he doesn't get many votes the neocons could simply flip 3-5% of votes his way in close races without it looking too suspicious. (In a third world country the ruling govt stooge would simply scribble on a few of the opposition ballots and then throw them away as "spoiled" votes. Having a third party candidate makes it easier to explain where the missing votes have gone).

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Ralph Nader voted or tha IWR and voted to fund the war??

Gosh, I must've missed that.

[NoodleyAppendage]

13. Nader led to Gore losing and Bush winning. That opened the door for the Iraq Massacre.

His choice to run as a spoiler ultimately led to the war. He bears some responsibility for his selfish desire for attention, which led to Bush being elected.

J

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. More "moderates" voted for Bush than Progressives did for Nader.

Many of them Democrats.

[Jimbo S]

12. Nadar is not the one who sent troops in Iran.

Focus the blame on the person who actually did.

I don't have a problem with what Nadar did or will do. We live in a democracy.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

14. So, Vader is back in uniform. Someone please cut off his

mike.... what an idiot.

[demo dutch]

15. Don't hear from Nader in 8 yrs, and now swoops in just in time to shit on everyone!

[Franks Wild Years]

17. No surprise there.

The man is clearly a hardline Republican who will stop at nothing to help them in whatever way he can. His paymasters love having this puppet to wheel out to try to syphon a few votes from brain dead faux 'progressives' every four years.

[UALRBSofL]

24. Franks Wild, Maybe I don't understand but

how exactly is he a republican? Other then the fact he takes some of the democrat and independant votes. What are you basing him as a republican? I'm not trying to be rude, was just curious.

[Franks Wild Years]

33. He positions himself...

...very deliberately as a spoiler to Democrats. He knows that he won't be taking votes away from Republicans, which is why I believe he is one, or at leasts prefers the additional perks their style of government offers to people in his priviledged position.

There are so many positive ways he could fight to make a difference if he truly believes in the cause he espouses. Acting as a very deliberate election spoiler is not one of them, and that's why I've come to the conclusion I have.

[NoodleyAppendage]

18. Exactly! He gets into the mix ONLY when he thinks his chances are good.

I noticed that his bullshit idealistic crap and running didn't raise its head during the 2004 election. If he's so friggin' principled, then why not run then? I'll tell you why...because he knew he wouldn't be a Dem spoiler during that election.

J

[rosetta627]

20. He has to be a paid spoiler for the machine IMO.

He waited until Obama was the inevitable Dem candidate THEN jumped in.

[NoodleyAppendage]

27. Unfortunately. I don't think that's the reason. The basic reason is his EGO.

Nader is disordered and psychologically flawed. He truly believes that he's the Democratic "Messiah" and that his message is the only pure one. He's the Jim Jones of Liberal Idealism, who is willing to lead followers to contribute further to the problems he rails against. In some ways his running will insure that the problems he campaigns against will perpetuate.

J

[rosetta627]

30. Fraid you're right

I really dislike him quite a lot...

[Danger Mouse]

21. An idiot? Nay. Say 'fucking idiot.'

[SoFlaJet]

25. What I'm wondering is

what about all the Clinton supporters here, on DU who have said in thread after threrad that THEY won't vote for Obama if he (no WHEN) he wins the nomination.

[cloudythescribbler]

26. some notes on a Nader candidacy (repost)

(I can't say that I have read a whole lot of material from the Obama campaign myself, but on the other hand, I don't put so much stock in all the specifics outlined by candidates in these documents). I have watched some 8 debates and several speeches by Obama during the campaign, and seen plenty of detail for my purposes there and in extensive social commentary.

Actually, the advantage of figures like Nader, to the extent that in an election where the ONLY significant impact they could possibly have is to be a spoiler helping the Repukes get power, is that they advocate positions, details or no details, like single payer health insurance ignored by the mainstream.

Nevertheless, as in the past, including Nader's MOST SUCCESSFUL (both in getting votes and in possibly tipping the election FROM the Democrats to the Repugs) in 2000, the MSM attention on Nader has been almost exclusively on his role as a spoiler, and he has done little to counteract that. In 2000 in particular, he spent LOTS of time campaigning in swing states like Penn, Ohio, and FL, and relatively little both in solid blue states (like MA, CT, and CA) AND IN SOLID RED STATES WHERE HE WOULDN'T ACT AS A SPOILER (such as TX, WY, and IN). Most states and jurisdictions fall into one of those two categories, even in widely contested races with many states "in play" such as in 2000.

What this and other factors show me is that Nader is more interested in drawing attention than in 'going hunting where the ducks are'. After all, the logic of the two MAIN candidates under the present system is to FOCUS on all the "purple" and 'purplish' states such as CO, MO, MN, OH, and FL, while the logic of someone running to get at least the minimum 5% threshold to qualify for federal financing (and possibly being included in the debates as well) is, as noted, exactly the opposite.
Nader, even in 2000, didn't even come CLOSE to getting 5% of the national vote.

As for building up a progressive movement (something I am very interested in, in its proper context, with groups like sds/mds -- the newly reconstituted students for a democratic society/movement for a democratic society) the fact that at Nader's main appearances in DC, his audience(s) were reportedly almost entirely white belies any notion that he is really effective in pursuit of that at least ostensible goal either

[MethuenProgressive]

28. I disagree. The blood is on the hands of those who voted for the vainity candidate.

[NoodleyAppendage]

31. True...harsh, but true. I haven't seen many Nader bumperstickers since Iraq Invasion. n/t

J

[Liberal Dose]

32. Ralph Fucking Nader (think Bucky Fucking Dent) n/t

:hi:

[MariaS]

29. Hillary & Obama

are strong candidates and have great support which is evident here at DU. The fact that Nader is running IMHO will not hurt them. I am amazed when people scream about democracy and rights and them get so angry at Ralph when he exercises his right as a citizen to run for elected office. People are still blaming him for 2000 but on the other hand they are also blaming the Repugs,the Supreme Court, faulty voting machines, caging lists and voter suppression for putting Mr. Smirky Face into office. I personally don't think it was the 2% of the 50% who voted for Ralph who messed up the vote in 2000 but more like the 50% who never voted. I will not vote for Nader even though I personally think he screams the loudest about the Corrupt system in Washington and the corperate greed that is sucking this country dry. Nader has been a good advocate in this country for many many years. He is not responsible for the death and destruction of thousands that would be Bushco. In fact I would say he has saved many thousands of life. And if I remember correctly it was Nader who had pushed for steel reinfored doors for cockpits that may have saved even more lives. I know people will always hold a grudge against Ralph but I will forever be greatful that it was seatbeats that saved the lives of my daughter, son-in-law my son and my beautiful 6 month old granddaughter.

[NoodleyAppendage]

35. Your naivete is breathtaking. A sliver of the Nader votes in FL would have pushed Gore to a win.

Nader can take those seatbelts and construct a noose with which to hang his sorry, PERSONALITY DISORDERED ass.

Please feel free to throw away your vote if you like, but the events of the following 4 years of a McCain Presidency will be weighing upon your conscience.

It's high time to SHAME the impressionable voters who are STUPID enough or in DENIAL to think that a Nader "Principled" Vote is a good one.

J

[MariaS]

38. I stated right in what

I wrote that I was not voting for Nader. People only see what they want to see. I don't want to see Nader run either but for different reasons than the people here. I just watched a video on Netflix last night entitled "Peace" and in it Greg Palast stated that there were over 90,000 disenfrancised voters in FL. They too could have turned the election to Gore.

[NoodleyAppendage]

39. Election fraud is hard to combat. A single person choosing not to be a spoiler...easy.

I'll concede that FL election fraud was a problem, but even with the lost votes to these problems Gore could have won if he didn't have Nader spoiling/splitting the vote.

J

[Stuckinthebush]

36. I think of two Naders

Nader the good: The consumer protector

Nader the fool: The presidential candidate

[Liberal Dose]

34. Ralph Fucking Nader (think Bucky Fucking Dent) n/t

:hi:

[John Q. Citizen]

37. Everybody is somebody's weirdo!

If scape-goating Nader makes you feel good, then hey, go for it.

I bet you feel a lot better because you posted this. Good.

Have a nice day!

[SKKY]

40. OK, who the fuck unplugged Nader's Cryofreeze container???

And more importantly, can we please put him back in it and turn it back on?

[NoodleyAppendage]

41. He's getting up there in age...maybe we'll get lucky. Lord knows the country needs help.

Nader is the puss-filled boil resting on the ass of lady liberty.

J