Do you notice the passive aggressive attack style?

[DemGa]

"Oh, she's come unhinged"

"Wow, she's really lost it"

"Hillary's flipped out"

"How low will she go"

Then they march Barack Obama out to pretend he's already the President and a victim of that shrill attacker.

Sound familiar? The tone of this stuff is unmistakably Rovian -- unmistakably Repuke.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Look for hysterical ... it's a gender loaded term n/t

[Yael]

6. Even if a woman uses it?

Come on.

[Fredda Weinberg]

9. Look it up. And I come from an Orthodox community, don't tell me women

don't have problems w/our own.

[Yael]

48. I am not into self-hatred.

But you are right -- it certainly does exist.

[NastyRiffraff]

10. Women can be sexists too

Believe me, I know. My own mother is one.

[JoFerret]

40. You never heard of internalised sexism/ racism/ homohobia then...

.

[anigbrowl]

11. I feel so guilty about the non-use of that term

Why not just go an list every word you ever thought had a sexist connotation? Nobody has to say it, you can just accuse us (obama supporters) of thinking it.

[Iris]

12. The OP's list all seem gender loaded, to me.

[anigbrowl]

25. "Flipped out" is gender loaded? or "...has lost it"??

This is absurd. I suppose you're going to say that's gender-loaded too.

[bigbrother05]

27. Didn't they say similar things about DK?

Am in no way supporting sexist innuendo (and of course the obvious crap some feel free to spout) floating around, but opposers have used those kinds of words against anyone that they want to minimize. Instead of engaging on the issues, just accuse the opponent of being "over the top" or "out of touch with reality" and then play an out of context "Dean Scream" moment to sell you their characterization.

It's always been that way in politics and the world at large, but those particular phrases appear to be generalized put downs, we should really come down on the insidious code phrases.

[populistdriven]

24. it always amazes me when foolish people, particularly women, buy those magnet bracelets

because they supposedly have healing powers

if they only knew the pseudo-scientific nexus of the origin of the words "hysteria" and "rapport"

[tandem5]

32. The root of hysteria means womb as in hysterectomy - it is not gender loaded its sex specific...

even though it has become a common term that can apply to males.

[Fredda Weinberg]

34. Do men have wombs? The literature is clear ... only the modern

context is unisex. Take a look at lunacy as well ... ah, the virtues of higher education - it insulates one from the effects of loaded language.

[tandem5]

36. if you read what I said... I dont believe we are arguing

:P

[Fredda Weinberg]

37. This is a narrow communications channel ... best to clarify. Thank you

for the post ... it was erudite and welcome.

[tandem5]

41. Thank you also - This forum has conditioned me to interpret replies as...

argumentative in tone - A habit I should drop.

[zulchzulu]

35. The phony conjecture that using "gender loaded" terms is one main reason why...

...a lot of women I know are FOR Obama and not Hillary Clinton.

The "Poor Me" Whine Fest is pedestrian and woefully inept.

[Fredda Weinberg]

38. Gender bias is oppressive. Don't deny our reality n/t

[lligrd]

2. Did You Notice The Overly Aggressive Attack Style

of Hillary today? How about the hypocrisy in it?

[rug]

3. The reaction is akin to caged rats spying a piece of cheese.

[earthlover]

4. You and your candidate are being divisive by this.

Save the psycho-analysis for someone in need of therapy....

[DemGa]

7. Yes I know, Hillary is divisive because of the right-wing attacks

she's endured.

More passive aggressive.

[Metric System]

13. Someone in need of therapy? Funny you should mention that. I've seen more than one Obama supporter

post today that that is exactly what Hillary needs. You stay classy, ObamaNation!

[Dogmudgeon]

5. I've noticed the kitchen sink

And believe me, within 20 minutes, there will be posts, and maybe a thread, accusing Hillary of having a passive-aggressive attack style, too.

It's a well-tested formula: zealous supporters plus can't-lose rhetorical tricks. All you need is a complicit press corps, and Bob's your uncle. And McCain's your president.

--p!

[Straight Shooter]

8. Barack reminds me of someone else who always pretends he's above the fray. n/t

[bridgit]

14. At this juncture I expect nothing less than Rovian scratch & snip fingerprints...

He's the one that said early on that she was "a flawed candidate", he has to be proud at just who across the political spectrum has unwittingly taken up his call, how much his sway, his grasp of the subliminal is still being implemented

[DemGa]

16. Very good point. A "Democrat" took up that charge.....nt

[Liquorice]

15. I've noticed, and I'm sick of it.

It turns out that Obama is nothing but a fraud. I started out supporting him, but his disingenuous, bullying campaign style eventually turned me against him. Now it's gotten to the point where I can't stand him. He's arrogant and yes, passive-aggressive. Hillary is clearly the better candidate and democrats are going to regret missing out on her expertise and extensive knowledge. Obama is nothing more than a slick, nasty campaigner. People will eventually catch on, but it may be too late.

[DemGa]

17. Best first post ever .....n/t

[Liquorice]

20. :-) I've been reading DU for years, but

have never been motivated enough to register until recently. I am dismayed by the bias against Hillary that I've seen in this primary. It's been an eye-opening experience.

[DemGa]

22. Welcome. And yes, it has been horrible

The utter hatred toward Hillary was a shock to me -- An eye-opener for me too.

[Henny Penny]

31. Obama is probaly a nice guy who's been told...

"How bad do you want it???... grow some cahones."

The whole process however makes a total mockery of democracy. People are actively encouraged to switch off their brains and simply go on their emotions... mostly their baser emotions.

[Liquorice]

43. I started out thinking Obama was a nice guy,

but using the RW attacks against Hillary as justification for his campaign of "hope and change" is just too much for me. I'm sure that he didn't come up with it all by himself, and it probably is the only way to win against Hillary. But I think it shows a lack of character and is incredibly disloyal to the democratic party.

What the Obama campaign is doing is beyond the pale. He has bad-mouthed and belittled our first successful two-term democratic president in many years for his own ambition.

I totally agree that people are switching off their brains. I never thought I'd see this happen within the democratic party. It's very disappointing.

[juajen]

44. Welcome to DU!

I have to agree with you. I do find his behavior very disappointing. Though I liked him, as the saying goes, I didn't know him. I know, we can never know another person.

I'm very proud to be a Hillary supporter.

Her appearance on the BSOTU today was great. There were a lot of Obama supporters there, but she held up extremely well.

Go Hillary Go!

[robbedvoter]

45. Welcome to DU!

:shrug:

[WilliamPitt]

18. Unmistakably politics.

Bring a helmet, and leave the crying towels at the door.

Was that passive enough?

[DemGa]

19. Unmistakably Rovian -- It's like Bush redux

And that ain't meant to be passive.

[MadHound]

21. Oh yeah, I notice it, from the faux victim complex,

To the implication that a candidate or his supporters are either under the control of the Republicans, or worse yet Karl Rove.

[Henny Penny]

23. The Obama campaign have a lot of people tyring to encourage

their "campaign " to go viral.

You will notice the style is pretty similar they don't engage with most people who disagree with them unless it is to drive a thread off topic... see the discussion of the term hysterical above.

Obama is the right wing's hedge... and no matter how much people would like to believe that Obama is so good he is winning over even the right wing pundits... I'm afraid its all a con. A well constructed fantasy.

Hillary is a very good candidate. I don't agree with all her policies by any means but she has the potential to win. A good strategist would have seen that after Bush people were going to want a change and a woman candidate represented that. This woman also carried the promise to the return to some semblance of the halcyon days of Clinton I.

How can you defeat such a candidate? By selecting one that represents even greater change. A young candidate. A black candidate. With those choices you have partly negated the "time for a woman" voters. Those people are now torn.

And of course they get a lot of people to go online to constantly throw mud in a predefined subtle way. Hillary has lost state x, y or z.... Hillary is losing it.... Hillary is out of cash.... and so on. Drip... drip ... drip.


Obama is their hedge and his campaign is being run like a CIA people power revolution.

JMHO of course.

[tyne]

26. How many

times was she going to call a press conference and "lose it" on national TV because of something McCain did?

No...I think we're lucky she did it now.

[ExtraGriz]

28. the viral campaign style

eventually burns itself out. thanks Henny for putting into words what i was thinking.

[Henny Penny]

33. Not always Griz... unfortunatley. Sometimes it takes hold...

I'm just hoping enough people have left their brains switched on.

[juajen]

46. Yeah, me too

But I also believe that this Rovian tactic is enhanced by attacking two of Hill's best campaign assets: they are (l) Bill Clinton and (2) the Clintons great relationship with AA all over this country. Attack them on their greatest assets, just as they did on John Kerry, Al Gore, etc.

This should have been expected, but perhaps there is no way to effectively fight against it. Any ideas?

[LadyVT]

29. Yep.

[EFerrari]

30. Do you know what passive agressive means?

And, since when did noticing that Hillary Clinton's horrible campaign is imploding "Rovian"?

[Forkboy]

39. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Oh, I see you two have already met.

Man, both sides suck major ass. You guys are hopeless. :eyes:

[jgraz]

42. Nine more days...

And then all these bullshit victim posts will no longer be necessary.

[Skip Intro]

47. Way too familiar. They demand we trade a "W" for an "O" -

and be quick about it and don't dare question it.

Been here before. Same shit, slightly different product.