It's hard to believe the Republican Right Wing Media ...Brain Washed so many Democrats

[surfermaw]

Reading some of the post here on the hate of Hillary Clinton, leads me to think Democrats have let the right wing media brain wash them where Hillary Clinton is concerned. Don't let them outsmart you. Hillary Clinton is the brains in the Clinton Administration, frankly Bill , would have had a much harder time making it to the White House...Don't you people realize that the republicans set out in the begining to stop the Clintons, mainly because they knew Hillary Clinton would most likely win a presidential election and she would have if you democrats wouldn't have let the republicans have their way...She went to school on academic scholarships, Bill has some academic scholarships, but he aslo had quiet a few music scholarships... Think Back who told you Hillary was bad for the nation...heck Bill Clinton would have had a hard time winning with out the promise of health care... I personally took poll among republicans to see how many wanted health care, let me tell you the average republican Joe would love to have healthcare, but they are also like some of us democrats and tend to let the Right Wing Conservative REpublican Party tell us that health care is dangerous and it will break the government...Crazy we are already paying more for health care than any other industralized nation that has health care paid for by their government Do you remember who the first dmocratic president that wanted and ask for health care... It was Harry Truman that ask for health care just after the war when Japan and other nations established a health care program..

[Fire_brand]

1. have yourself a good cry, it'll make you feel better

[surfermaw]

11. Just keep up your arrogant juare voting R you may bring Obama a loss

It could happen!

[Cameron27]

20. I asked you in another thread

why Republicans are supporting Obama, but you never answered me. So I'll ask again.

Exactly how does the GOP ideology fit with either Sen. Obama's voting record, or his campaign platform?

[roguevalley]

25. it could very well be that they are voting for obama because they

have no choice in their own party and they support change. bush is at 19% and I don't think that anyone should be supprised that they want something else.

[surfermaw]

35. Let be fair here..on why rep are voting for Obama or Hillary

there are several ways to look at WHY..could it be that they are trying to mess us up, or could it be the hatred of GWB and the Right Wing Conservative...Now I live in a Republican controlled dist, a district that can be won by any republican, and believe you me they have given me hell in the past for voting democrat and with Black people, didn't bother me at all I am a solid democrat if I am greatly in the minority as a democrats in my area..Here is another thought, that my husband and I discussed today, I told him I had always wondered why many of the republicans in there area were republicans when by every way I looked at them they should be democrats, so we came to the conclusion, if they were voting in earnest for Obama, that some of the republicans are finally waking up, I do know they would never reveal that they don't like GWB, but I really think there are many republicans that he disgust, as he does democrats....

[Cameron27]

49. I think that's what some Democrats

would like to believe, but I just don't buy it. What change does Obama represent that Clinton doesn't? And it seems to me that John McCain's detractors are the super-conservative RWers, and the Christian fundamentalists, who, one would hope, would have nothing in common with Obama.

I'd really like to hear what the poster who's wearing that tag has to say about it.

[jasmine621]

67. Look how many they brainwashed into voting for Bush..twice. nt

[krabigirl]

40. yikes, are we on free republic?

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[BridgeTheGap]

2. In '92 on election night, I met a physician and his wife from Little Rock

and they said they were personal friends of the Clintons. The both stated emphatically that Hillary was the smarter of the two.

[EFerrari]

4. I've heard that, too, from more than one person. But

smart doesn't translate into "good politician".

And it's possible not to care for Senator Clinton for legitimate reasons AND be aware that the media has been pummeling her and Bill for longer than some DUers have been alive. I used to get furious at the way they were treated in the press and I've never cared much for either of them.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. truman was not the brightest of presidents,

Hoover and wilson were far smarter. But he has turned out pretty damn good as presidents go.

Hell, Nixon is turning out better in comparison. In fact, Nixon would be a flaming liberal by today's standards.

At the other extreme, Bush the Wth is not bright, but cagey. sly. lazy. unconcerned with detail. and one of the worst presidents our country has ever selected.

[surfermaw]

36. Truman didn't take much junk..that is about all he accomplished

[ChairmanAgnostic]

39. An old family friend

still thinks of truman as senator in glowing terms. What he did to stop whoreporations supplying the military from stealing us blind was truly great.

[surfermaw]

37. I always thought NIxon a poor kid was about half democrat.

Did well until price fixing over inflation, then we had a recession, that I enjoyed because the nation had worked hard and steady for a while,

[Carolina]

23. exactly, she may be smart

but she lacks the IT factor that Bill had in spades.

He could weave gold with his words and connect with people in a way that she can't, that looks contrived.

He was a master campaigner(in the 90s). She clearly is not.

I also never got the "calculating politician" feel from him whereas, ever since her IWR vote, she has struck me as poltically calculating in the worst way.

I was an ardent Bill Clinton supporter. He was the whole package and even when he triangulated, I thought his heart was in the right place. But there are no warm and fuzzies from her, and the way she has gone along with (trusted?) Bush, makes me question her smarts as well.

[surfermaw]

43. Difference

She was raised in Chicago...Bill Clinton was raised in the South and he has said his grandfathers store was across the tracks, and he played with Black Children most of the time... I am much like him and still today would vote for him again. I also was raised deep in the south in the mid 30's and 40's. My grandfather was a farmer, he had many people working for him and lived on his farm, a couple of the families were black, so on the day my grandmother did her wash she would let me go to the field near the house , fortunately for me there were several women in the family, when I would go down to the cotton field, they would pet me and were so kind, one of the things I remember was in the fields, they wore golden earrings and I wanted a pair so badly, but white girls weren't allowed to wear them, I would think to my self, when I get older I will have a pair, they were as wide as a wide golden wedding band that is what they looked like, and you know what, when I did get my ears pierced the first thing I did was to go to a jewelry looking for that style earring, couldn't find them but did find a white gold pair that was attached to a little sort of pierced earring. Forgot and left then in a suit pocket sent them to the cleaners and could never replace them... So you see I fully understand the difference in Hillary and Bill, but think they are mostly in fact the same.Bill learned the gift of gab from Black Kids he played with, now isn't that what Obama draws people to him with , articulation.

[Carolina]

51. love your life story

and partly agree about the articulation BUT I still feel, and felt then, that Bill's ability to connect was deeper than his background. He had an innate gift that even those who loathed him admitted he possessed. Jimmy Carter had a very similar background as Bill's but he, too, lacked that charisma, that gift.

In the 90s, I met people who bought into the blind Clinton hatred but who, upon meeting Bill, were completely WOWed. I think Bill and Hillary are a team (and always have been) but she lacks something more than just his articulation or early exposure to Black people.

[surfermaw]

53. Difference in Carter and Clinton

Bill didn't' worry much about making a mistake, he was more confident, he was better prepared ,Bill spent his whole life studying about other presidents, and he was well educated and with many friends, Hillary brought more than is realized by most people to the marriage..

Another thing probably they were raised by parents that were very opposite of each other... I see Carter a Baptist with I know a very strict father, in the south at that time children were to be seen not to be heard, that is one reason it took us so long to get a president in these later years. Bills mother and grandmother probably a little easier on Bill, plus he is very intelligent, and folks what you are seeing is a man that was in politics all his life, that is the way it is in the south if your family like and participates in politics. I very well can tell you my dad had politicians calling him all the time asking about what they were going to have in the News Paper...Bill Clinton was wise, it is hard for me to sit back when I know or feel I know something they should be saying, I contacted Bill Clinton's war room, and the young kids talked to me and listened to what I had to say and in fact used one thing in a very important way, but I don't want to discuss and it worked. I just wish I knew for certain it was my words they used. will always wonder... I knew the day John and Hillary voted for the war it would have back to haunt them..Edwards could be where Obama is today, if he had gotten on Bush's case in the first two months about the troops not having the equipment they needed, they didn't have toilet paper,skin protection nothing for their eyes in all the sand, and body protection let's not even talk about body armor or their trucks and h. being ill equiped....I thought about that at the time should have called him.

[UALRBSofL]

8. I was there on election night as well.

It was a lot of fun being there. Something odd I remember Barbara Streisand being there. :)

[Fredda Weinberg]

3. Let it be ... we all will be around when this is over n/t

[Straight Shooter]

5. I think one of the sweetest things about electing Hillary as president ...

... would be that finally the right wing would know the taste of absolute defeat. In their minds, it doesn't even matter, I think, if Obama wins. All they care about is taking down the Clintons. Obama's getting an anti-Hillary boost from the right wingers and the GOP-owned media. The right wing still controls the Democrats, and yet we complain how the GOP still controls Congress despite being the minority party.

GOP twofer strategy:
1. Take down Hillary in the primary by supporting Obama
2. Take down Obama in the GE by supporting McCain

Party over country. Mission accomplished.

[Windy]

17. I think that is the true motivation of many HRC supporters unfortunately. As a result

they are blinded to the troubling aspects associated with Hillary's lack of judgment
when it came to the Iraq war. It is a problem that she chose to vote to send our kids to war
because she was worried about the effect that her vote would have on her future chances of beating the republican nominee in the general election. Kerry had the same problem.

Many of her colleagues voted differently and they all had the same information. She exhibited poor judgment in her vote.

To me, her eloquent closing statement last night rang hollow.

And I know that some of you will jump on the funding issue. I am a veteran. I have no problem with voting to fund our troops who are already in theater. We sent them over ther without what they needed to come back alive and whole. We have a president that would strand them with nothing rather than allowing a bill to pass through congress with timetables for withdraw. The key is to get a democratic administration into the whitehouse who will get out troops out in a sensible, rapid fashion and will never rush to a war of choice based upon scant evidence.

Please don't let the anger over the republican filthy tactics during the clinton years effect your judgment. We are at a critical juncture in this country. We need to restore our core values, our constitutional rights and our worldwide image. I personally don't believe that Hillary is the best person to do that. Her lack of critical thinking and good judgment has to be a factor in the electorate's decision making process.

[Straight Shooter]

21. Thank you, Dr. Frist, for your usual astute observation.

You are wrong. I was merely offering a side benefit, not my justification for supporting Hillary.

[UALRBSofL]

28. I see some people have a lack of cognitive thinking

much less critical thinking. And as such, don't have good judgment when defining a candidate. It's like a little kid, mine, mine, mine; and can't see past the forest for the trees. This is why I think many Obama's supporters are being lead by "blind faith".

[Windy]

31. I disagree with you obviously immature attempt to rebut my argument. That is the problem with facts

When they are not on your side, an attempt is made to distore and attack.

Have you served? I have. I know that our military men and women have no say so in where they are sent. They are at the mercy of our elected officials to make the right life and death decision for the right reasons. Hillary, Kerry and others fell down on the job. The decision to support bush by the congress resulted in unnecessary death.

[surfermaw]

55. Let's get something straight here, she voted for Bush to investigate and then if needed go to war

Little did she know that he was such a dumb jackass, and as for Obama he wasn't there to vote for the war or against it, morning quarterbacks are seldon wrong, and that is what his claim amounts to. The only thing that should have made her aware, is the letter that the republicans wrote to Bill Clinton soon after the young southerner took office tring to chide him into invading Iraq. He didn't invade and waste the governments money, but he did handle Saddam , who got rid of what he had, and nothing like WMD's were found in Iraq..

[cali]

60. that's simply not true. I suggest you educate yourself

Read Pat Leahy's speech before the vote where he lays it all out clearly. He called it a blank check and said it shouldn't be sent to ANY president, dem or repug. You are misinformed.

[surfermaw]

62. You should do a little checking, you sound very uninformed

[cali]

64. Sorry, but nonsense one line spurious claims

don't cut it. I realize that you don't know what you're talking about, and I suggested that you read some material to correct it. If you think you know more than Patrick Leahy or that you're better educated and more informed than he is, well, that's hubris for you. It was an Authorization to Use Military Force. That spells it right out. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

[Tarc]

6. Amazing how some Obamaniacs sound a lot like Huckabee evangelicals, eh?

[Umbram]

10. Ooh, the cult thing. How original! *golf clap* (nt)

[Tarc]

38. If the kool-aid glass fits...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. If Clinton were half as smart as people say she is...

I don't think she'd have run such a shitty campaign.

[surfermaw]

19. How many scholarships did you ge to W. University

How many presidents did you marry, how many times did win a senate seat in NY.. Now if we talked about Obama the way you answer about Clinton, I be the f word would be flying...Remember you have to win the General Election, and it is going to take every democrat in the party plus some ind... and don't let the fact that ind. voted for Obama lead you to think you can talk to half of the democrat party with arrogance and then they will vote along with you they want... This gathering of Ind vtotes have been going on for centuries, then they vote the oposite party in the GE...its a fact that ind. like McCain, in fact on cspan one woman called in and said she was Rep. she would vote Oabama in the primary and REpublican for McCain in the fall, what I am trying to say, don't count your chicken before they hatch in the GE...Treat people with respect, I do know one question some democrats are asking , will the Oabam voters become so arrogant afte the GE, Do what you please, I m old and told you the fact...Looks like now Oabama is the one, just don't ruin it for him witha smart mouth, it makes his voters sound like the arrogant GWB

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Zero.

But I knew the war was going to be a big mistake before it started.

[Carolina]

26. Exactly!

[EFerrari]

34. Sometimes smart people overthink things. Imho, both Obama and Clinton

do that but they do it in different ways. She is 'way over handled and he overthinks his responses on camera.

[baldguy]

9. That's #6

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

[kerry-is-my-prez]

12. I know of two Republicians and one Indy who will vote for Hillary but NOT Obama.

I know people here keep talking about how Repubs will cross over to vote for Obama but those are people who haven't been hearing the mantra "Most Liberal Senator" repeated over and over again. It's part of reason Kerry went down.

[surfermaw]

44. You know at first people were faulting Clinton because they thought she would draw REP

[blm]

13. I think back to the undermining and sabotaging of other Democrats and their efforts that Clintons

engaged in over the years.

The right wing media has never shown any INTEREST in that story, have they?

[Egnever]

14. Well i can only speak for myself

But my dislike of her has little to do with the media. It has much more to do with her votes and her willingness to do anything to get elected.

The list is long from her obnoxious brow beating of early supporters to her votes on things like Cluster bombs and flag burning amendments. She may be a wonderful woman in person but her politics disgust me.

[Carolina]

27. Agree, my dislike of her has much more to do with her votes

starting with IWR. I knew then that anyone who bought Bush's lies was either a repuke, ignorant or calculating and hedging bets for future, personal political advantage.

[Egnever]

29. I think it was totally clear what was going on with the IWR

it was timed specifically to put pressure on Dem's going into the elections and it worked like a charm so many chose their political careers over peoples lives that day. I will never forgive them for that.

Hillary also comes with a lot of other calculating repugnant crap on top of it. I just can not support her kind of politics.

[democrattotheend]

15. I never bought any of the right wing spin

and I did not start supporting Obama because I am anti-Hillary. I support Obama because his vision speaks to me, and I see in him some of the idealism that I am fighting to hang onto as I become more entrenched in Washington politics.

I do have issues with some of Clinton's campaign tactics, but it doesn't take a right wing media to tell me that.

[scheming daemons]

18. It's "hard to believe" because your theory is not true....

...

[amborin]

22. exactly

it is shocking to hear the same right wing talking point attacks against hillary swallowed whole cloth and repeated by so-called 'dems'

the lack of universal health care is not only hurting americans' personal health

it's killing our industrial base....our economic powerhouses cannot compete against those whose home countries provide health insurance and relieve them of those burdens

we harm our citizenry and our domestic corporations

[surfermaw]

56. Amborin...best reply ..

if the government would get the insurance problem off the back of business, might solve a good many things for employees.

[Occam Bandage]

30. Goddamn not another "OMG if you don't support my candidate YOU ARE DEFECTIVE" post.

[mcctatas]

32. I am now defective, buying into the corporate media, a child...

a cultist, a rovian wet dream, uninformed, part of a movement (they make it sound like a colonic!) and just plain stupid...:rofl:

[sellitman]

33. Who " brained washed" Hillary into vote for the IRW or Kyl- Lieberman?

For such a bright Lady she sure made some dumb decisions.

[whatchamacallit]

41. If that were true we'd be voting FOR her, cuz as far as I can tell she's one of them. eom

[COFoothills]

42. Nobody brainwashed me...

...but I am VERY aware at how well they have brainwashed their own base.

Which is why Obama is far more electable.

I don't think Hillary is bad for the nation. I think Obama is BETTER for the nation at this time and place. And more important, you bet that they republican base in convinced that she is the worst possible thing that could happen to them and will rally up hard in opposition to her.

How hard is this to get?

[mohc]

45. The fundamental flaw with your logic

is that the Democratic nomination is not going to be a rejection of Clinton, but rally around Obama. The vast majority of Democrats support both Clinton and Obama. In fact, I am beginning to think we are going to run into trouble soon, because a large segment of the Democratic electorate is going to be upset if they are not both on the ticket, and I have a hard time imagining Clinton and Obama working out an agreement. Certinaly, there are plenty of Democrats that reject Clinton, but there are also plenty that reject Obama, including some that reject both. The reason Obama is going to win the nomination is that the majority of Democrats that support both prefer him to Clinton. You take Obama out of the equation in this nomination fight, and Clinton breezes to victory.

[whatchamacallit]

46. Word

[Avalux]

47. Newsflash: I have never been fond of Hillary Clinton.

No one told me she was bad for the nation; I never wanted her to run and that's how I've felt for years. It has nothing to do with how well she did in school, her credentials, whether or not she's better than Bill. I simply do not like the woman for a variety of reasons and that is my prerogative. No brainwashing going on here.

[catagory5]

48. Thank you OP

someone with some 'balls' and brains

[XemaSab]

50. I don't need the right wing media to tell me they're not the most honest people

Monica? Marc Rich? :shrug:

[intaglio]

52. Surfermaw, please

breath slowly, relax, picture good things, beautiful things, start with relaxing your neck, then your shoulders

Let a wave of relaxation flow over you

Read through your post

Look at it calmly

If you are lucky you will see how demented that post was. If you do not please take your meds.

[surfermaw]

61. I don't think I am attacking with right wind tactics,, I am telling you people you have been brain

wash by the republican right wing media...bit dogs alway hollow the loudest.AS it looks now Obama is going to be the man, now don't come in here crying when they start the same stuff with Obama.. Because it will start as soon as the right wing conservative republicans realize he is the man .

[cali]

66. Wow. Talk about arrogant

telling people because they disagree with you that they're brainwashed, that's arrogant. And, yes of course the repukes will attack him. We know that. Sorry, that's hardly a newsflash. And if you kept up with things, you'd understand that any dem this year, even Hill, has an excellent chance against McCain. Perhaps you could go read the Pew report, and then find out a little about why McCain's in such hot water. Being informed is a good thing.

[LadyVT]

54. Yes, totally agree...it is bizarre to be attacked here w/right wing strategies

[ClassWarrior]

57. They only had to brainwash a few...

...into thinking they have this svengali-like mind control over the majority of our party.

:eyes:

NGU.

[cali]

58. sorry. I don't tune in to the MSM at all. No TV

no trash radio. I make up my own mind, and I'm actually an educated sort. I don't hate the Clintons, but I do not want to see Hillary as the nominee. She's run an epically and inexcusably bad campaign.

[surfermaw]

63. Arrogance looses votes

[cali]

65. that's absurd.

Stop confusing DU with the real world. And YOUR OP was both arrogant and ignorant. Way to go.