Wait - What's with all the Ovation talk for Clinton - It was the END - OVATION was for BOTH...

[kid a]

I was shocked to hear anyone refer to the ending of the debate as an OVATION for Clinton.

I watched it over many times...Clinton ends her talk...the debate is over...people stand...pretty straight forward.

If don't believe me I'll pull Marshall McLuhan out on you.

[Alexander]

1. It's the desperate Shillbot way of spinning the fact that she got booed.

They ignore her closing statement - closing statements you can Xerox.

[polichick]

2. Quite a SPIN! nt

[rodeodance]

17. Debate reviews are in----YOU GO HILLARY

Debate reviews are in
Posted by displacedtexan on Fri Feb-22-08 08:15 AM

CNN's Campbell Brown notes a 'standing ovation' in response to Hillary's closing remarks.

CNN political analyst David Gergen - Hillary's last statement 'was the most effective moment she's had on television, I believe, since the New Hampshire primary… really scored on that.'

Politico's Ben Smith - 'Clinton's answer was a stronger performance.' "Clinton's answer was a stronger performance; Obama seems like he's about ready to get out of here."

CNN's Bill Schneider - Hillary 'just made an effective argument against John McCain.' "Clinton just made an effective argument against John McCain: Though the Arizona senator is a champion against wasteful spending, Clinton pointed to his support for the Bush tax cuts and the war in Iraq - both colossal expenditures unpopular with most Democrats."

There are more, including NBC News' Chuck Todd, The New Republic's Michael Crowley, and ABC News' Rick Klein.

Read the comments after the reviews.

Wow!

[DemzRock]

3. Perhaps, but it is just as far as saying the crowd boed Clinton...

When in fact, it was more of a small murmur with a boo mixed in AND it happened while Barack was speaking.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Riiiiiight.

And they weren't saying "boo" they were saying "boo-urns."

[alphafemale]

10. They weren't Booing they were chanting her name just like B-R-R-RUUUCCEE Springstein.

:rofl:

[Whisp]

23. they were chanting BOO-(dacious)!

:rofl:

[anigbrowl]

5. Yeah, keep telling yourself that, while ou try to explain

why they were having standing ovations at each break, since Obama was the last to speak. I don't think they were for him, I think they were for both candidates...like the one at the end.

[Alexander]

7. I wonder how long the Shillbots will remain in denial.

Probably until after she makes her concession speech.

[Lerkfish]

50. bitter denial

I don't think this place will be all that pleasant when she finally concedes.

[fadedrose]

37. You are right

My post below says the same thing....but I more or less accuse CNN of clouding the issue deliberately...

[Alexander]

6. She got "boed"? I must have missed that.

Did Donatello show up for part of the debate?



:rofl:

[rodeodance]

40. Yes, there were some Obamafolks there with BAD MANNERS!

[anigbrowl]

45. She was fishing for a reaction - and she got it.

It just wasn't the one she expected. Still, at least you're not in denial about the fact she got booed.

[rodeodance]

47. Hillary's Reviews Are In: 'Standing Ovation,' 'Really Scored,' 'A Stronger Performance'

[Major Hogwash]

53. Too bad this isn't a Broadway play.

I've seen most of the debates and she has taken at least a dozen positions on the Iraq War.

[goldcanyonaz]

8. It was a standing ovation for her comments of unity between her and Obama.

Neither candidate knew that was the last question asked.

You can hear Obama say "Is that it?" to Ms. Brown.

It was a great moment for the party.

[loveangelc]

13. no, they campbell brown said that was the last question before she asked it..

[rodeodance]

16. GGGGGOOOOOHILLARY!!!!!!YOU MAKE ME SSOOO PROUD!*!**

[loveangelc]

18. how old are you? just curious.

[rodeodance]

21. Hillary did a class act---and you know it.

[loveangelc]

22. lol you didnt answer the question...

[rodeodance]

26. you are right--I didn't

[Alexander]

29. You don't need to. Something tells me we already know the answer.

[rodeodance]

43. David Gergen - Hillary's last statement 'was the most effective moment she's had on television,

[loveangelc]

32. why not? what are you afraid of. I guess we know the answer then...

[rodeodance]

44. Politico's Ben Smith - 'Clinton's answer was a stronger performance.'

[loveangelc]

49. yeah, that has nothing to do with me wanting to know how old you are.

[peace13]

27. You may want to watch this before you say more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7Cs3QvT3U

[rodeodance]

46. Crowley - 'The subject of health care always brings out a formidable passion and policy fluency in H

[Whisp]

25. but normally the moderators would chime in after the

last comment of the evening to say goodnight, see y'all. etc.

they didn't do that last night, so the applause for Hillary and the final overall standing O applause was for the whole debate when they realise the show was over.

[loveangelc]

33. I don't think so. They were giving "standing O's" everytime they went to break and came back....

[Whisp]

34. I didn't catch that, thanks. but still

those O's were for The Debate as a whole, not a particular candidate. Stand up and Applause signs are flashed when near commercial.

that's my story and I'm stickin' t it. :D

[rodeodance]

20. yes, it was..

[goodgd_yall]

9. This is what I saw

People stood up to show support for what Hillary said, then people realized the end of the debate had occurred and more people stood up. The reality is somewhere in the middle.

[nancyr]

14. That's what I saw, too.

[LostInAnomie]

11. That's what I thought

That is what usually happens after the last person speaks. Saying it was for Hillary makes as much sense as saying "Hillary's words were so profound there was no longer any need to go on with the debate."

It's spin, and the media bought into it.

[truedelphi]

24. "Hillary's words were so profound that

There was no longer any need to go on with the debate."

And the other primaries and convention were cancelled now that it is apparent she's a WINNER!

[rocktivity]

12. It's a moot issue

her closing didn't deserve an ovation.

:headbang:
rocknation

[rodeodance]

15. Brown notes a 'standing ovation' in response to Hillary's closing remarks.

Debate reviews are in
Posted by displacedtexan on Fri Feb-22-08 08:15 AM

CNN's Campbell Brown notes a 'standing ovation' in response to Hillary's closing remarks.

CNN political analyst David Gergen - Hillary's last statement 'was the most effective moment she's had on television, I believe, since the New Hampshire primary… really scored on that.'

Politico's Ben Smith - 'Clinton's answer was a stronger performance.' "Clinton's answer was a stronger performance; Obama seems like he's about ready to get out of here."

CNN's Bill Schneider - Hillary 'just made an effective argument against John McCain.' "Clinton just made an effective argument against John McCain: Though the Arizona senator is a champion against wasteful spending, Clinton pointed to his support for the Bush tax cuts and the war in Iraq - both colossal expenditures unpopular with most Democrats."

There are more, including NBC News' Chuck Todd, The New Republic's Michael Crowley, and ABC News' Rick Klein.

Read the comments after the reviews.

Wow!

[Whisp]

19. I know, I couldn't believe they said that at CNN last night.

oiy veh, what a s t r e t c h.

[rodeodance]

28. ha ah------i was SHOUTING WITH GLEE

[Whisp]

30. great, make yourself a copy then

and hold it close to your heart when the clinton campaign tents come down soon.

even if it was a standing O (which it wasn't), it ain't gonna save her.

and btw, you did know she 'plagiarized' that last snippet? guess her Xerox Toner needs refilling.

[rodeodance]

38. your guy is doing good yet you whin. Go post a postive thread about him--might do you some good.

[Whisp]

58. you know, you are right.

I try not to be super-sensitive, but slip sometimes. It's hard tho, so much nonsense flying around. So much at stake.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. It Was Absolutely Initiated For Her. You Are Being Disingenuous.

Does it pain you that much that she closed so strong that it drew a standing ovation? Jesus, get a grip.

[anigbrowl]

54. So who were the standing ovations during the breaks for?

Hint: Obama usually spoke last before each break.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. I Believe Obama Got A Few.

They each deserved a few. They both had some really good moments. Not sure what your bitterness about it is.

[fadedrose]

35. I posted the same thing yesterday - do ya think CNN was in on it?

CNN seems like it favors HC.

So far the pattern in these debates was to have each candidate make his/her closing statement. Then there's some applause.

THEN, the moderator asks the audience to give all candidates a big hand and the audience responds much like it did yesterday.

This time the audience was prodded into the final applause while Hillary's applause was still being heard. That's when everyone stood and gave the ovation that seemed to be Hillary's.

Another trick? I don't think that the commentators on MSNBC even mentioned the applause at the end because it wasn't ALL for her. They knew it but the viewers didn't.

But at the beginning, which no one mentions, the house went crazy when Obama walked in....

Hillary simply did not "hit the ball out of the park" with her closing statement. Our freaking ears were deceived by our freaking eyes that didn't see what Obama saw when he turned his head to the right - that the audience was given a symbol to applaud.

[Skip Intro]

36. The audience rose in near unison as she finished her remark. Had it been for both, it would have

happened after the moderators thanked the candidates, and then the audience.

Watching that vid, there is little question what happened.


Nice try, tho...

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

39. they have whining about it since last night. I expect the crying/whining to go on and on

[Skip Intro]

41. They cannot stand a single bit of good news for Hillary.

Can't let any moment be that shines on her and not the chosen one.

They show the true value of the chosen one's words over and over. Not acting out of a sense of hope or unity, but out of pettiness and hatred.

[rodeodance]

48. pettiness and hatred.------yes, it overwhelmes many Obamafolk-not all

[Cameron27]

57. Nope, not a single bit of good news,

and some of them just don't want her defeated, they want her humiliated.

[rodeodance]

42. Hillary's Reviews Are In: 'Standing Ovation,' 'Really Scored,' 'A Stronger Performance'

Hillary's Reviews Are In: 'Standing Ovation,' 'Really Scored,' 'A Stronger Performance'
by Lindsay Levin
2/21/2008 10:31:02 PM

CNN's Campbell Brown notes a 'standing ovation' in response to Hillary's closing remarks.

CNN political analyst David Gergen - Hillary's last statement 'was the most effective moment she's had on television, I believe, since the New Hampshire primary… really scored on that.'

Politico's Ben Smith - 'Clinton's answer was a stronger performance.' "Clinton's answer was a stronger performance; Obama seems like he's about ready to get out of here."

CNN's Bill Schneider - Hillary 'just made an effective argument against John McCain.' "Clinton just made an effective argument against John McCain: Though the Arizona senator is a champion against wasteful spending, Clinton pointed to his support for the Bush tax cuts and the war in Iraq - both colossal expenditures unpopular with most Democrats."

NBC News' Chuck Todd - Hillary 'had a couple of very good moments on health care and the economy.' "Did she potentially win this debate on points; I think so; it was close but she had a couple of VERY good moments on health care and the economy that probably scored well in the various focus groups of undecided voters watching this debate."

New Republic's Michael Crowley - 'The subject of health care always brings out a formidable passion and policy fluency in Hillary.' "So much of the time politicians just seem to be going through the motions when debating the issues. But the subject of health care always brings out a formidable passion and policy fluency in Hillary. People can call her a phony for all kinds of reasons but it's clear she really gets and cares about this stuff."

ABC News' Rick Klein - Hillary 'sounds calm, in charge, deliberate.'

MyDD's Todd Beeton - 'Hillary Clinton just hit that closing response out of the park.' "Hillary Clinton just hit that closing response out of the park."

[Lerkfish]

52. lol! look at this google search your quote is a hillary campaign press release

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Hillary%27s+Reviews+Are+In%3A+%27Standing+Ovation%2C%27+%27Really+Scored%2C%27+%27A+Stronger+Performance%27&btnG=Google+Search


and you'll see this snippet originates as a media release from the clinton campaign.

[anigbrowl]

56. Shh, it's not plagiarism if the Clinton campaign does it

[Major Hogwash]

51. David Gergen said he thought it was all for Hillary, but the others disagreed.

Yet, it looked to me like her last comments were a way of saying "it's over and I know it."

[Hieronymus]

59. When they entered, Obama got, by far, the bigger applause.

[BringBigDogBack]

60. It was a farewell.

To Hillary's very poorly run campaign.