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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:18 PM
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This is why they hate us. Really.
So Ms.O steps in a big pile of opening her mouth and not thinking. The arguments fly fast and furious on what she said and versions, but does it matter? She had a whole life up to that moment that she was not proud.

Then the defense, her husband swoops in and prepares the landing, she's on national television. It's all a mistake. Reason? You are too stupid to understand what I meant, in a kinda code, in a certain way, when I was thinking this, and saying that.

That's why we loose. The inner loathing that comes out AND is all over this board about how bad this country is and how they were never proud, from some inbecile that says "since I was seventeen". Or better yet a person who spent their school overseas. Not even here for waht would be presumably his formative years, but he was "not proud". Lets count all the nodding agrees from the posts and there is quite an underculture of self loathing that is spectacular. Never been proud. Never. Not in my whole adult life.

Do you get it yet? If this is what you think of this country, and the devine Ms. O brought it out, by mistake apparently, this is the reason they hate us. This is the reason that he will not get elected. You push that exclusive club of the "deep thinking" too far, with the generational warfare, and all that comes with it, and add a LIBRUL dose of shitting on everything and everyone,no matter their service to this country and what do you get? The final outing of the miscreants that really think we suck. Not in some ways, but all ways. This country is scum, but we have a small chance, and VIOLA! It's the Obamas. That's your choice, and if you do not take it you are stupid...and that's to fellow Democrats.

You lost the votes right out of the gate with that comment from non-Democrats.

I am skeptcal and cynical. I don't think we have done the best we can as a nation, it's still a work in progress. It always will be. But there is so much that we have accomplished. By denying that, by throwing out the big we sucked and we always have....that is why they hate us. And by them our opposition that never fails to paint us as unpatriotic nitwits, that don't have any pride.

Well thanks you "O" people. You have just opened the pandoras box of the "screw the US liberal" sterotype. It took years to get it in a box, and with the deft wordplay of a pevish Ms. O, its out there for all to see. Also to be commended the people who post so vociferiously about how she's right, and they agree.

If a gay person like myself can see the good with the bad, with all the crap I and other GLBT people have to, and listen to your prissy whining about how you agree, then really you should either shut up or move.

Now you know why.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:20 PM
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1. Awwwwww.
:nopity:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:20 PM
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2. Thank you for your concern
:eyes:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
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3. Blow things out of proportion much?
It's really not that big of a deal and I've stayed away from the argument completely.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:24 PM
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4. Spell check. Look into it.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:30 PM
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10. I was kinda wondering what a viola had to do with this myself.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:36 PM
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12. bwah! nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:25 PM
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5. We very loose.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:13 AM
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37. We not loose!
We tight!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:25 PM
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6. We are not Un-patriotic. We are UN-NATIONALISTIC.
We UN-JINGOISTIC. We are the Patriots. A Patriot can say, this country is fucked, has been for a while, let's stand up and fix it.

Fuck Nationalism. Michelle Obama is a Free American Citizen. Free to say that this country has disappointed her. And, last I checked, she's not running for office.

Nationalistic Pukes are going to do what they do. Fuck em. Their time is over.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:29 PM
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8. Obama's campaign isn't jingoistic?
It's blustering puffery of an extreme nature.

This was recklessness itself, and it will hurt.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:32 PM
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11. We'll see.
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JustDavid Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:01 AM
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35. I don't think you understand what he is saying
Sure, its a free country...sure she can say whatever she wants.

Feel free to say whatever you like about this country. Feel free to say this country sux.

Also feel free to loose elections when you do that.

Don't wonder why 99.999% of the rest of the population that doesn't post here won't vote for you.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:40 AM
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43. That is a rediculous percentage. Over 10 million have voted for Obama
just in this Primary, so far. Compare it to how many votes the dried up Warmonger McSame has received.
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DGoldman1212 Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:26 PM
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7. I cant keep track...
either Obama's campaign sucks because the Republicans like him too much or Obama's campaign sucks because they make the repubs hate them. Pick a team!
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:29 PM
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9. So you're all
Doooomed! Dooomed! I tell ye (Corp Fraser; Dads Army)
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:41 PM
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13. You are so right about this matter and the HUGE effect Michelle's gaff is going to have against us
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:43 PM
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14. Barack Obama Is A Muslim
Come on, if you're going to repeat insipid bullshit, go hard or go home.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:45 PM
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16. Where is "Muslim" in there? Hallucinations?
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:46 PM
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19. Its not
I'm calling your post dumb, and stating that if you're going to waste all that time writing something that dumb, you should at least put some real effort into it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:44 PM
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15. lol. Mountain/Mole hill
and for the thousandth time: Loose means the opposite of tight. Lose is what Hilly's doing and is going to continue doing.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:45 PM
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17. Is that why HRC is loosing? She's always loosing like that.
She should learn how to do something other than loose.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:46 PM
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18. "Sniffa the loved"... I have never been proud of my typing and writing.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:47 PM
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20. Aww, don't be so lose w/ the compliments
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:48 PM
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22. Please, you are no slouch.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:47 PM
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21. There are entire books full of Bushisms - this isn't even close to that level of stupidity!
It doesn't matter to me one fuckin' bit whatsoever.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:25 AM
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40. Hey! If someone who displays the USMC emblem as their avatar doesn't take offense.
This Army veteran doesn't either. :patriot: <settle down! - it's tongue in cheek>

*Oh, BTW you do realize that The Marine Corps are "the helpers" to The Army? ;)

:toast:

------------------------

*See "No Time for Sergeants" flick for context.
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miceelf Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:51 PM
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23. LOL
I thought the accusation was that it was the Obama supporters who were spouting the right wing talking points. You could have lifted this straight off of Ann Coulter's blog.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:53 PM
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24. They hate us because they hate everyone.
Don't try to find a reason, it's futile.

They hate themselves most of all.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:58 PM
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25. Boy, you collapse at the drop of a hat.
This is not the end of the world. This is a minor gaffe which the right wing will do their best to turn into hysteria. They did this to Gore, to Kerry, to Dean, they are doing it to Michelle Obama, they will do it to Barack Obama, they did it to Hillary many times, and they would do it to her again if she was the nominee. It's the way they do politics. 24 hour media scrutiny makes mistakes inevitable. Further attacks are also inevitable.
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JimboDem Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:01 PM
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26. We Are Screwn!
"Lose words sink ships".
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:04 PM
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27. Hate...
Oh, please. If Americans are so dense that they will vote for the wrong person just because of one remark, they are hopeless. Are we supposed to never express any doubts whatsoever about this country, lest we be branded "self-loathing?" I thought what she said was brave, honest and expressive of what most Americans of her age are feeling. This country has been on a tobbagan to hell ever since Reagan was elected; why should she or any American of her generation have felt proud of this country? For what? For betraying everything it stands for?

Of course, you aren't arguing that she is wrong; only that she shouldn't be so honest. THAT is exactly the kind of thinking that has led to the hopeless cynicism toward politics among young people in this country. Watch every word, consider the political implications of every decision, never show who you really are, never say what you really think.

What you are recommending is horseshit. It is the kind of repression that leads to Republicans who vote against gay rights while cruising restrooms. What people want from their leaders is integrity. Sure, we have the problem of the right-wing noise machine, who will twist everything we say to use against us. But the answer to that is to confront it head-on and expose it for what it is, not allow it to dictate to us what we can say.

And in conclusion, you have completely misrepresented what she said; the very tactic that noise-machine is so fond of. Are you really one of "us?"
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:06 PM
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28. So maybe you should stop being gay because the republicans hate you for it?
You, of all people, should know how absurd this argument is.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:12 PM
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29. I don't get it yet...
Mostly because I can't figure out what in the hell you're babbling about. Swear to God, I read the first there paragraphs of this screed three times and I'm still not sure what you're talking about.

Either take a composition course or come back when you're sober.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:13 PM
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30. Neshanic, great post. You write very well and captured a dangerous scenario playing out...
There are many things to be proud of in this country, ourselves just to mention one. We are not beasts, murderers or ignorants - we are humans trying to help each other. And our government, as unwieldy as it may be, is an effort towards this. We must keep working towards our goal and acknowledge our successes along the way.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:22 PM
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32. You're shitting me, right?
What history have you been reading, and where have you been the last 8 years? The sooner people give up the feel good "Shining city on the hill" myth, the sooner we can start doing the hard work to make this country truly great.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:30 PM
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33. OH NO! Another "Dangerous Scenario" playing out!
Quick!
What did you do with the Duct Tape and Plastic.

FEAR!....FEAR!....FEAR!....

We MUST switch our support to Hillary IMMEDIATELY because we are so afraid.

Everyone raise the Obama Threat Level to Orange!
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Ano Genitus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:18 PM
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31. So everyone pretends to be happy about everything American, and VIOLA!
We win elections?
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:05 PM
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34. Randi Rhodes "If folks don't understand what she meant they need to learn or we'll never move on"...
...Google newsweek Michelle Obama it explains fully why at times she ahsn't been proud. The fact is she is now proud and as Barack highlighted it is proud of America's politics choosing maturity over divided government.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008...
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:10 AM
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36. I think most people here as well as most
strong Democrats get exactly what her point was.

The problem is that not everyone else will. Well maybe some. But not everybody. So to assume that everyone needs to "get it" is assuming a lot.

The Republicans love to paint all Liberals and Progressives as America hating, unpatriotic, etc. Now you combine the MO gaffe with the "BO is a muslim," "BO refuses to salute the flag," etc. and that could spell problems for the campaign. This is what people need to understand, rather than just dismiss it with the "get a clue" comments. Because it isn't that *we* don't get it, it's that some other people may not.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:16 AM
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38. No, this is why they hate you.
crybaby.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:17 AM
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39. Personally attacking the spouse of a candidate on the basis of flimsy spin - classy.
:eyes:
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:27 AM
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41. I could care less if they hate us
The feeling is fucking mutual. Michelle spoke for a lot of us.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:33 AM
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42. Thanks for your concern
See ya at the Obama swearing in ceremony next January. :hi:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:26 AM
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44. In the Army, I always said I'd stand a little taller, and salute the flag more proudly...
...when the stupid DADT nonsense was set aside in favor of armed services open to all. I, too, will be really proud when that happens, and until then, bigotry is a thorn in my side.

Try again.
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